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Grand National 2023
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I would say the fence itself, and forcing a horse to jump over it, led to its demise.alan dugdale said:Interesting comments from Sandy Thomson, trainer of Hill Sixteen. Blames the delay to the race for the sad demise of his horse due to him becoming “over-hyper and not taking off at the first fence”.I think he’s in a better position to comment than some posters on a football forum who know bugger all about a topic, but assume expert status by jumping on the latest bandwagon to hit town.
But then again I don't make a living exclusively from the sport so who am I to know.4 -
Which shows your ignorance on the subject. It’s not “unsafe” to pull up a horse, it’s the exact opposite.ME14addick said:I believe 3 horses have died this week. I don't object to horse racing per se, but when horses are still dying, there needs to be more done to prevent this from happening.
23 horses didn't finish the race, either having fallen, unseated their rider or pulled up, so it's hardly a safe race.
A jockey pulls a horse up for one of a variety of reasons. Would you rather a jockey continue riding the horse instead of stopping them ?
In fact, what knowledge or expertise do you have on horseracing or the care of horses at a racing stable ?3 -
Horses occasionally die running around a field/paddock. How should we prevent this from happening?ME14addick said:I believe 3 horses have died this week. I don't object to horse racing per se, but when horses are still dying, there needs to be more done to prevent this from happening.
23 horses didn't finish the race, either having fallen, unseated their rider or pulled up, so it's hardly a safe race.0 -
And what led to that. These are highly trained animals of habit. If something disrupts their process then inevitably things can happen. That’s not the definite reason but it can’t help can it. Of course that raises the question should they have run but hindsight is a wonderful thing.SELR_addicks said:
I would say the fence itself, and forcing a horse to jump over it, led to its demise.alan dugdale said:Interesting comments from Sandy Thomson, trainer of Hill Sixteen. Blames the delay to the race for the sad demise of his horse due to him becoming “over-hyper and not taking off at the first fence”.I think he’s in a better position to comment than some posters on a football forum who know bugger all about a topic, but assume expert status by jumping on the latest bandwagon to hit town.
But then again I don't make a living exclusively from the sport so who am I to know.0 -
Still not safe enough to prevent horses dying, the facts are that 3 have died this week.ValleyGary said:
They have, massively over the last few years. But they’re animals, unpredictable.ME14addick said:Make the race safer for the good of the horses, not a spectacle for humans.Have you looked into the actual facts and information regarding the safety?2 -
Hundreds of horses died this week and hundreds die every week in this country.ME14addick said:I believe 3 horses have died this week. I don't object to horse racing per se, but when horses are still dying, there needs to be more done to prevent this from happening.
23 horses didn't finish the race, either having fallen, unseated their rider or pulled up, so it's hardly a safe race.
3 of them sadly died at Aintree this week.
Racing will no doubt continue to do what is reasonable to minimise fatalities and will look at what lessons can be learned from this week.
Some of those will relate to the course and the race, as they have before.
One, however, should be what can be done to stop dozens of fuckwits illegally invading the course, contributing to horses boiling over and to fatal accidents, as Sandy Thomson commented.6 -
You still haven’t answered my questionME14addick said:
Still not safe enough to prevent horses dying, the facts are that 3 have died this week.ValleyGary said:
They have, massively over the last few years. But they’re animals, unpredictable.ME14addick said:Make the race safer for the good of the horses, not a spectacle for humans.Have you looked into the actual facts and information regarding the safety?
thank you for playing along.0 -
I have no knowledge other than seeing horses dying in a race for the benefit of humans.alan dugdale said:
Which shows your ignorance on the subject. It’s not “unsafe” to pull up a horse, it’s the exact opposite.ME14addick said:I believe 3 horses have died this week. I don't object to horse racing per se, but when horses are still dying, there needs to be more done to prevent this from happening.
23 horses didn't finish the race, either having fallen, unseated their rider or pulled up, so it's hardly a safe race.
A jockey pulls a horse up for one of a variety of reasons. Would you rather a jockey continue riding the horse instead of stopping them ?
In fact, what knowledge or expertise do you have on horseracing or the care of horses at a racing stable ?
If the horse is pulled up then perhaps it shouldn't be taking part in that race.
I don't like to see animals dying in the name of sport.
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Just say you know nothing about the subject and move along.ME14addick said:
I have no knowledge other than seeing horses dying in a race for the benefit of humans.alan dugdale said:
Which shows your ignorance on the subject. It’s not “unsafe” to pull up a horse, it’s the exact opposite.ME14addick said:I believe 3 horses have died this week. I don't object to horse racing per se, but when horses are still dying, there needs to be more done to prevent this from happening.
23 horses didn't finish the race, either having fallen, unseated their rider or pulled up, so it's hardly a safe race.
A jockey pulls a horse up for one of a variety of reasons. Would you rather a jockey continue riding the horse instead of stopping them ?
In fact, what knowledge or expertise do you have on horseracing or the care of horses at a racing stable ?
If the horse is pulled up then perhaps it shouldn't be taking part in that race.
I don't like to see animals dying in the name of sport.11 -
If a horse is pulled up it shouldn’t be taking part in that race ? You are absolutely clueless. Stick to Covid 19.ME14addick said:
I have no knowledge other than seeing horses dying in a race for the benefit of humans.alan dugdale said:
Which shows your ignorance on the subject. It’s not “unsafe” to pull up a horse, it’s the exact opposite.ME14addick said:I believe 3 horses have died this week. I don't object to horse racing per se, but when horses are still dying, there needs to be more done to prevent this from happening.
23 horses didn't finish the race, either having fallen, unseated their rider or pulled up, so it's hardly a safe race.
A jockey pulls a horse up for one of a variety of reasons. Would you rather a jockey continue riding the horse instead of stopping them ?
In fact, what knowledge or expertise do you have on horseracing or the care of horses at a racing stable ?
If the horse is pulled up then perhaps it shouldn't be taking part in that race.
I don't like to see animals dying in the name of sport.3 - Sponsored links:
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Horse racing is not something that interests me, but the welfare of the animals taking part does and it's clear that something needs to be done to make it safer.ValleyGary said:
Just say you know nothing about the subject and move along.ME14addick said:
I have no knowledge other than seeing horses dying in a race for the benefit of humans.alan dugdale said:
Which shows your ignorance on the subject. It’s not “unsafe” to pull up a horse, it’s the exact opposite.ME14addick said:I believe 3 horses have died this week. I don't object to horse racing per se, but when horses are still dying, there needs to be more done to prevent this from happening.
23 horses didn't finish the race, either having fallen, unseated their rider or pulled up, so it's hardly a safe race.
A jockey pulls a horse up for one of a variety of reasons. Would you rather a jockey continue riding the horse instead of stopping them ?
In fact, what knowledge or expertise do you have on horseracing or the care of horses at a racing stable ?
If the horse is pulled up then perhaps it shouldn't be taking part in that race.
I don't like to see animals dying in the name of sport.
Unfortunately protests are sometimes the only way to effect change.
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Except in the case of the Grand National, protests haven’t been needed to effect change. Changes have been made over the past decade without the need for a ton of Tarquin’s to invade the event.ME14addick said:
Horse racing is not something that interests me, but the welfare of the animals taking part does and it's clear that something needs to be done to make it safer.ValleyGary said:
Just say you know nothing about the subject and move along.ME14addick said:
I have no knowledge other than seeing horses dying in a race for the benefit of humans.alan dugdale said:
Which shows your ignorance on the subject. It’s not “unsafe” to pull up a horse, it’s the exact opposite.ME14addick said:I believe 3 horses have died this week. I don't object to horse racing per se, but when horses are still dying, there needs to be more done to prevent this from happening.
23 horses didn't finish the race, either having fallen, unseated their rider or pulled up, so it's hardly a safe race.
A jockey pulls a horse up for one of a variety of reasons. Would you rather a jockey continue riding the horse instead of stopping them ?
In fact, what knowledge or expertise do you have on horseracing or the care of horses at a racing stable ?
If the horse is pulled up then perhaps it shouldn't be taking part in that race.
I don't like to see animals dying in the name of sport.
Unfortunately protests are sometimes the only way to effect change.2 -
What if the horses wore masks?2
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As I said, I think the trainer is a tad more qualified to comment than people on this site.SELR_addicks said:
I would say the fence itself, and forcing a horse to jump over it, led to its demise.alan dugdale said:Interesting comments from Sandy Thomson, trainer of Hill Sixteen. Blames the delay to the race for the sad demise of his horse due to him becoming “over-hyper and not taking off at the first fence”.I think he’s in a better position to comment than some posters on a football forum who know bugger all about a topic, but assume expert status by jumping on the latest bandwagon to hit town.
But then again I don't make a living exclusively from the sport so who am I to know.2 -
Horses are still dying.alan dugdale said:
Except in the case of the Grand National, protests haven’t been needed to effect change. Changes have been made over the past decade without the need for a ton of Tarquin’s to invade the event.ME14addick said:
Horse racing is not something that interests me, but the welfare of the animals taking part does and it's clear that something needs to be done to make it safer.ValleyGary said:
Just say you know nothing about the subject and move along.ME14addick said:
I have no knowledge other than seeing horses dying in a race for the benefit of humans.alan dugdale said:
Which shows your ignorance on the subject. It’s not “unsafe” to pull up a horse, it’s the exact opposite.ME14addick said:I believe 3 horses have died this week. I don't object to horse racing per se, but when horses are still dying, there needs to be more done to prevent this from happening.
23 horses didn't finish the race, either having fallen, unseated their rider or pulled up, so it's hardly a safe race.
A jockey pulls a horse up for one of a variety of reasons. Would you rather a jockey continue riding the horse instead of stopping them ?
In fact, what knowledge or expertise do you have on horseracing or the care of horses at a racing stable ?
If the horse is pulled up then perhaps it shouldn't be taking part in that race.
I don't like to see animals dying in the name of sport.
Unfortunately protests are sometimes the only way to effect change.1 -
On a serious but different point, has anyone had any news about the jockeys that fell or were unseated? I understand one of the screens put up on the course was for dignity reasons for a jokey receiving medical attention.
And yes I know, they choose to ride in the race, but like with any injured sportsperson, it’s nice to hear if they are ok.1 -
You’re actually a WUMME14addick said:
Horses are still dying.alan dugdale said:
Except in the case of the Grand National, protests haven’t been needed to effect change. Changes have been made over the past decade without the need for a ton of Tarquin’s to invade the event.ME14addick said:
Horse racing is not something that interests me, but the welfare of the animals taking part does and it's clear that something needs to be done to make it safer.ValleyGary said:
Just say you know nothing about the subject and move along.ME14addick said:
I have no knowledge other than seeing horses dying in a race for the benefit of humans.alan dugdale said:
Which shows your ignorance on the subject. It’s not “unsafe” to pull up a horse, it’s the exact opposite.ME14addick said:I believe 3 horses have died this week. I don't object to horse racing per se, but when horses are still dying, there needs to be more done to prevent this from happening.
23 horses didn't finish the race, either having fallen, unseated their rider or pulled up, so it's hardly a safe race.
A jockey pulls a horse up for one of a variety of reasons. Would you rather a jockey continue riding the horse instead of stopping them ?
In fact, what knowledge or expertise do you have on horseracing or the care of horses at a racing stable ?
If the horse is pulled up then perhaps it shouldn't be taking part in that race.
I don't like to see animals dying in the name of sport.
Unfortunately protests are sometimes the only way to effect change.3 -
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Racing Post comments that Mr Incredible’s UR some way after 2nd Canal Turn appeared to be caused by the saddle slipping.
That would figure, seeing the overhead replay.0 -
The Big Breakaway jockey took a massive hit, perhaps he should have been PU 🙄Gary Poole said:On a serious but different point, has anyone had any news about the jockeys that fell or were unseated? I understand one of the screens put up on the course was for dignity reasons for a jokey receiving medical attention.
And yes I know, they choose to ride in the race, but like with any injured sportsperson, it’s nice to hear if they are ok.0 - Sponsored links:
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What's really needed is greater advances in house fracture repair.0
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Let’s park this one for the evening. Late Saturday night is never the right time for these type of discussions2
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Sadly I’m not sure anything will ever come of discussing the validity of this race on here, we’ve walked this path now many times over the years.I think genuinely at its heart, both sides want the same thing, the best for the horses, but it’s impossible for either side to see or appreciate the opposing view of what’s perceived as ‘best.’ Then people get defensive and aggressive and no further meaningful debate is possible.
personally I hope the race’s continues as a huge event, but also that the authorities, like they have done, keep pushing for safer outcomes to continue to reduce the amount of deaths experienced. Like they are in rugby to reduce major injuries.If you are anti this race and horse racing in general, I do appreciate it’s a weighted ask, but so many of us enjoy this thread and discussion in the build up to and anticipation of what is one of the biggest sporting events of the year. And then the post race analysis. Please let us have that. And appreciate that many of the main contributors on this thread care dearly about horse welfare. There’s loads of other platforms where you can engage in discussion of the aspects of this race which won’t then descend into argument that are probably better suited.
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@PeanutsMolloy any obvious first thoughts on what bucked the model yesterday?2
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What is needed for this race is about 28 horses less and lower fences and maybe max 4 miles long I hate watching this race.1
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Then don't watch it. Simples.cazo said:What is needed for this race is about 28 horses less and lower fences and maybe max 4 miles long I hate watching this race.9 -
Think sudsidence can be rectified.carly burn said:What's really needed is greater advances in house fracture repair.2 -
What you have done is make 3 practical suggestions, plus a valid personal perspective.cazo said:What is needed for this race is about 28 horses less and lower fences and maybe max 4 miles long I hate watching this race.
All very reasonable, so in that context it is not reasonable for you to be abused for writing what you have written.
I think they said on the wireless that three horses died in the Grand National yesterday, I thought it was one.When looking at the online newspaper reports the Mail on Sunday suggests the disruption was caused by vegans. How would they know?0 -
Im glad people took in what afka wrote this morning.10
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The reporter could smell their farts?seth plum said:
What you have done is make 3 practical suggestions, plus a valid personal perspective.cazo said:What is needed for this race is about 28 horses less and lower fences and maybe max 4 miles long I hate watching this race.
All very reasonable, so in that context it is not reasonable for you to be abused for writing what you have written.
I think they said on the wireless that three horses died in the Grand National yesterday, I thought it was one.When looking at the online newspaper reports the Mail on Sunday suggests the disruption was caused by vegans. How would they know?
Actually, being vegans, they were probably lecturing everyone about it.5
