The most important Promote would be if Ben Garner gets Charlton Athletic a Promote in 2022/23 season or the following season 2023/24 when his ideas and strategic plans has time to come to fruition.
On a serious note, and not to be a doomsayer, but I wonder what get out clauses TS has in BG's contract. Yes, we all know it is a 3 years contract but surely if we are sitting in 23rd again in October there must be a 'Cheerio mate' clause inserted. Clearly, not to sound flippant, I'd imagine TS has set the bar somewhat higher, but I wonder what performance / timescale related targets are 'insisted upon' to stay in post.
With that in mind, I wonder what TS realistically expects us to be achieving and when.
“His style is possession based and playing in the opposition’s half. He didn’t necessarily execute that at Rovers but I saw his Swindon side a couple of times last season and they definitely played in his image – they had the highest possession percentage in League Two. League One is a tough league to do that in if you haven’t got the players to do that."
Have we/will we get the players to do that?
“The recruitment side at Rovers, which wasn’t entirely in his hands and was more a joint operation, there were a few mistakes made there and that left holes in the team which made it hard. They didn’t get off to a good start."
On a serious note, and not to be a doomsayer, but I wonder what get out clauses TS has in BG's contract. Yes, we all know it is a 3 years contract but surely if we are sitting in 23rd again in October there must be a 'Cheerio mate' clause inserted. Clearly, not to sound flippant, I'd imagine TS has set the bar somewhat higher, but I wonder what performance / timescale related targets are 'insisted upon' to stay in post.
With that in mind, I wonder what TS realistically expects us to be achieving and when.
Clearly Thomas had little or no faith in Jacko, hence the 18 month "contract" with the rather loaded proviso of x finish or byeee, can't see Garner ever agreeing to a similar contract, he has a 3 year deal, and no doubt, the usual payoff if and when required, subject to balance of contract at the time. I feel that Thomas was sounding a bit less gun ho in his recent interview, and seemed to be aiming for playoff's, and with a bit of luck maybe top two, playoff's should be minimum really. Anyway roll on next season, and we can all get on the bus with the team for hopefully a reasonable outcome..🍺🤞
On a serious note, and not to be a doomsayer, but I wonder what get out clauses TS has in BG's contract. Yes, we all know it is a 3 years contract but surely if we are sitting in 23rd again in October there must be a 'Cheerio mate' clause inserted. Clearly, not to sound flippant, I'd imagine TS has set the bar somewhat higher, but I wonder what performance / timescale related targets are 'insisted upon' to stay in post.
With that in mind, I wonder what TS realistically expects us to be achieving and when.
Clearly Thomas had little or no faith in Jacko, hence the 18 month "contract" with the rather loaded proviso of x finish or byeee, can't see Garner ever agreeing to a similar contract, he has a 3 year deal, and no doubt, the usual payoff if and when required, subject to balance of contract at the time. I feel that Thomas was sounding a bit less gun ho in his recent interview, and seemed to be aiming for playoff's, and with a bit of luck maybe top two, playoff's should be minimum really. Anyway roll on next season, and we can all get on the bus with the team for hopefully a reasonable outcome..🍺🤞
Well we are 11th favourite for promotion, which is a bit of a reality check.
On a serious note, and not to be a doomsayer, but I wonder what get out clauses TS has in BG's contract. Yes, we all know it is a 3 years contract but surely if we are sitting in 23rd again in October there must be a 'Cheerio mate' clause inserted. Clearly, not to sound flippant, I'd imagine TS has set the bar somewhat higher, but I wonder what performance / timescale related targets are 'insisted upon' to stay in post.
With that in mind, I wonder what TS realistically expects us to be achieving and when.
Clearly Thomas had little or no faith in Jacko, hence the 18 month "contract" with the rather loaded proviso of x finish or byeee, can't see Garner ever agreeing to a similar contract, he has a 3 year deal, and no doubt, the usual payoff if and when required, subject to balance of contract at the time. I feel that Thomas was sounding a bit less gun ho in his recent interview, and seemed to be aiming for playoff's, and with a bit of luck maybe top two, playoff's should be minimum really. Anyway roll on next season, and we can all get on the bus with the team for hopefully a reasonable outcome..🍺🤞
Well we are 11th favourite for promotion, which is a bit of a reality check.
“His style is possession based and playing in the opposition’s half. He didn’t necessarily execute that at Rovers but I saw his Swindon side a couple of times last season and they definitely played in his image – they had the highest possession percentage in League Two. League One is a tough league to do that in if you haven’t got the players to do that."
Have we/will we get the players to do that?
“The recruitment side at Rovers, which wasn’t entirely in his hands and was more a joint operation, there were a few mistakes made there and that left holes in the team which made it hard. They didn’t get off to a good start."
That sounds familiar.
Yes it does, you’re talking about the setup at Swindon, right?
“His style is possession based and playing in the opposition’s half. He didn’t necessarily execute that at Rovers but I saw his Swindon side a couple of times last season and they definitely played in his image – they had the highest possession percentage in League Two. League One is a tough league to do that in if you haven’t got the players to do that."
Have we/will we get the players to do that?
“The recruitment side at Rovers, which wasn’t entirely in his hands and was more a joint operation, there were a few mistakes made there and that left holes in the team which made it hard. They didn’t get off to a good start."
That sounds familiar.
Yes it does, you’re talking about the setup at Swindon, right?
“His style is possession based and playing in the opposition’s half. He didn’t necessarily execute that at Rovers but I saw his Swindon side a couple of times last season and they definitely played in his image – they had the highest possession percentage in League Two. League One is a tough league to do that in if you haven’t got the players to do that."
Have we/will we get the players to do that?
“The recruitment side at Rovers, which wasn’t entirely in his hands and was more a joint operation, there were a few mistakes made there and that left holes in the team which made it hard. They didn’t get off to a good start."
That sounds familiar.
Yes it does, you’re talking about the setup at Swindon, right?
Rovers...
I know, but Garner didn’t have complete control at Swindon either. He was head coach and worked under a DoF.
And the way people talk about Swindon, you'd have thought he'd splashed the cash to bring in the L2 versions of De Bruyne and Tiago.
It's not overnight, but players can adapt to different ways of playing. After all when Brendan Rodgers got Swansea promoted to the Premier League, playing a very "pure" version of possession football, in their midfield scoring 9 league goals was Darren Pratley.
And the way people talk about Swindon, you'd have thought he'd splashed the cash to bring in the L2 versions of De Bruyne and Tiago.
It's not overnight, but players can adapt to different ways of playing. After all when Brendan Rodgers got Swansea promoted to the Premier League, playing a very "pure" version of possession football, in their midfield scoring 9 league goals was Darren Pratley.
“His style is possession based and playing in the opposition’s half. He didn’t necessarily execute that at Rovers but I saw his Swindon side a couple of times last season and they definitely played in his image – they had the highest possession percentage in League Two. League One is a tough league to do that in if you haven’t got the players to do that."
Have we/will we get the players to do that?
“The recruitment side at Rovers, which wasn’t entirely in his hands and was more a joint operation, there were a few mistakes made there and that left holes in the team which made it hard. They didn’t get off to a good start."
That sounds familiar.
Yes it does, you’re talking about the setup at Swindon, right?
Rovers...
I know, but Garner didn’t have complete control at Swindon either. He was head coach and worked under a DoF.
I think the whole DoF is a dangerous term. Work with, work under, work against? We have seen it all.
Gallen wasn't director of football, then was, then was a director who was director of football, then wasn't. Its a meaningless job title. Did his role change in that time?
Garner and Chorley were very similar to Robinson, or Bowyer, and Gallen. That's very different to the role Reed had at Southampton, or the "continental model". That's very different to the relationship Adkins and Jackson had with "him". Who ever him was and what job title he had.
“His style is possession based and playing in the opposition’s half. He didn’t necessarily execute that at Rovers but I saw his Swindon side a couple of times last season and they definitely played in his image – they had the highest possession percentage in League Two. League One is a tough league to do that in if you haven’t got the players to do that."
Have we/will we get the players to do that?
“The recruitment side at Rovers, which wasn’t entirely in his hands and was more a joint operation, there were a few mistakes made there and that left holes in the team which made it hard. They didn’t get off to a good start."
That sounds familiar.
Yes it does, you’re talking about the setup at Swindon, right?
Rovers ...... it was from the article @clive posted above from the SLP, quoting comments from Sam Frost, Bristol Rovers reporter for Bristol Live.
And the way people talk about Swindon, you'd have thought he'd splashed the cash to bring in the L2 versions of De Bruyne and Tiago.
It's not overnight, but players can adapt to different ways of playing. After all when Brendan Rodgers got Swansea promoted to the Premier League, playing a very "pure" version of possession football, in their midfield scoring 9 league goals was Darren Pratley.
He did. Johnny 🥰🥰🥰
Joniesta! I'm bored with discussing Ben Garner on the Ben Garner thread. Even bored with discussing Darren Pratley.
There's even a Garner connection, so let's talk about Jonny!
In regards to BG's coaching team, has there been anymore news or speculation on bringing his backroom staff over too? Didn't Adkins want his own coaches, but was denied this by TS? If it's the same scenario with BG as Adkins, I'd be concerned. If TS wants success, you've got to stack the cards in your favour as much as possible, which means getting those blokes signed up to.
And the way people talk about Swindon, you'd have thought he'd splashed the cash to bring in the L2 versions of De Bruyne and Tiago.
It's not overnight, but players can adapt to different ways of playing. After all when Brendan Rodgers got Swansea promoted to the Premier League, playing a very "pure" version of possession football, in their midfield scoring 9 league goals was Darren Pratley.
That was because Pratley was a very very good player.
He was a lot lot more than a destroyer although he did that as well.
Beginning to think TS was attracted to appointing BG because he did well with a small squad at Swindon and that BG’s purported preferred formation and style of play, with a small squad, will lead to a similar start to the season as under NA last season. Hope I’m wrong.
In regards to BG's coaching team, has there been anymore news or speculation on bringing his backroom staff over too? Didn't Adkins want his own coaches, but was denied this by TS? If it's the same scenario with BG as Adkins, I'd be concerned. If TS wants success, you've got to stack the cards in your favour as much as possible, which means getting those blokes signed up to.
This is what is worrying me, I don't think ts is getting them in. Just a feeling) and I think that'll be a big mistake again in my opinion.
In regards to BG's coaching team, has there been anymore news or speculation on bringing his backroom staff over too? Didn't Adkins want his own coaches, but was denied this by TS? If it's the same scenario with BG as Adkins, I'd be concerned. If TS wants success, you've got to stack the cards in your favour as much as possible, which means getting those blokes signed up to.
This is what is worrying me, I don't think ts is getting them in. Just a feeling) and I think that'll be a big mistake again in my opinion.
TS already said Garner will decide his backroom staff if he wants the two from Swindon then they will try to make it happen .. but they are under contract . As for Adkins part of the deal taking over was that Jackson would be number two with the plan for him to take over after a few years .. not a a few months
In regards to BG's coaching team, has there been anymore news or speculation on bringing his backroom staff over too? Didn't Adkins want his own coaches, but was denied this by TS? If it's the same scenario with BG as Adkins, I'd be concerned. If TS wants success, you've got to stack the cards in your favour as much as possible, which means getting those blokes signed up to.
This is what is worrying me, I don't think ts is getting them in. Just a feeling) and I think that'll be a big mistake again in my opinion.
TS already said Garner will decide his backroom staff if he wants the two from Swindon then they will try to make it happen .. but they are under contract . As for Adkins part of the deal taking over was that Jackson would be number two with the plan for him to take over after a few years .. not a a few months
In regards to BG's coaching team, has there been anymore news or speculation on bringing his backroom staff over too? Didn't Adkins want his own coaches, but was denied this by TS? If it's the same scenario with BG as Adkins, I'd be concerned. If TS wants success, you've got to stack the cards in your favour as much as possible, which means getting those blokes signed up to.
This is what is worrying me, I don't think ts is getting them in. Just a feeling) and I think that'll be a big mistake again in my opinion.
TS already said Garner will decide his backroom staff if he wants the two from Swindon then they will try to make it happen .. but they are under contract . As for Adkins part of the deal taking over was that Jackson would be number two with the plan for him to take over after a few years .. not a a few months
Is that today's bedtime story?
Where do you get your "facts" from?
I suspect from the same place as the speculation that Adkins was denied his own back room staff.
I reckon Sandgaards hope is whoever they appoint will want their own backroom staff, so Swindon will release them both from their contracts. They will then be free to join us.
I reckon Sandgaards hope is whoever they appoint will want their own backroom staff, so Swindon will release them both from their contracts. They will then be free to join us.
It is what I said a while back. They should review their stance of wanting compensation or they could end up paying compensation. Sensible for TS to wait and see.
In regards to BG's coaching team, has there been anymore news or speculation on bringing his backroom staff over too? Didn't Adkins want his own coaches, but was denied this by TS? If it's the same scenario with BG as Adkins, I'd be concerned. If TS wants success, you've got to stack the cards in your favour as much as possible, which means getting those blokes signed up to.
This is what is worrying me, I don't think ts is getting them in. Just a feeling) and I think that'll be a big mistake again in my opinion.
TS already said Garner will decide his backroom staff if he wants the two from Swindon then they will try to make it happen .. but they are under contract . As for Adkins part of the deal taking over was that Jackson would be number two with the plan for him to take over after a few years .. not a a few months
In regards to BG's coaching team, has there been anymore news or speculation on bringing his backroom staff over too? Didn't Adkins want his own coaches, but was denied this by TS? If it's the same scenario with BG as Adkins, I'd be concerned. If TS wants success, you've got to stack the cards in your favour as much as possible, which means getting those blokes signed up to.
This is what is worrying me, I don't think ts is getting them in. Just a feeling) and I think that'll be a big mistake again in my opinion.
TS already said Garner will decide his backroom staff if he wants the two from Swindon then they will try to make it happen .. but they are under contract . As for Adkins part of the deal taking over was that Jackson would be number two with the plan for him to take over after a few years .. not a a few months
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With that in mind, I wonder what TS realistically expects us to be achieving and when.
League One is a tough league to do that in if you haven’t got the players to do that."
Have we/will we get the players to do that?
“The recruitment side at Rovers, which wasn’t entirely in his hands and was more a joint operation, there were a few mistakes made there and that left holes in the team which made it hard. They didn’t get off to a good start."
That sounds familiar.
I feel that Thomas was sounding a bit less gun ho in his recent interview, and seemed to be aiming for playoff's, and with a bit of luck maybe top two, playoff's should be minimum really.
Anyway roll on next season, and we can all get on the bus with the team for hopefully a reasonable outcome..🍺🤞
Bookies...Bah, what do they know..😎
It's not overnight, but players can adapt to different ways of playing. After all when Brendan Rodgers got Swansea promoted to the Premier League, playing a very "pure" version of possession football, in their midfield scoring 9 league goals was Darren Pratley.
Gallen wasn't director of football, then was, then was a director who was director of football, then wasn't. Its a meaningless job title. Did his role change in that time?
Garner and Chorley were very similar to Robinson, or Bowyer, and Gallen. That's very different to the role Reed had at Southampton, or the "continental model". That's very different to the relationship Adkins and Jackson had with "him". Who ever him was and what job title he had.
There's even a Garner connection, so let's talk about Jonny!
Didn't Adkins want his own coaches, but was denied this by TS?
If it's the same scenario with BG as Adkins, I'd be concerned. If TS wants success, you've got to stack the cards in your favour as much as possible, which means getting those blokes signed up to.
He was a lot lot more than a destroyer although he did that as well.
Where do you get your "facts" from?
Sensible for TS to wait and see.
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