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  • edited November 2021
    DOUCHER said:
    DOUCHER said:
    DOUCHER said:
    Got a lot of time for Airman and all he has done for the club over the years and 100% believe his intentions are always for the best for the club but he ain't always right that's for sure 
    Who is? Don’t say yourself!
    Well it’s a fact isn’t it it or are u u saying you’ve never got things wrong in the past? 
    Blimey, Doucher. It was a joke!
    Of course it was - just as mine was !
    Just re read your post Airman and happy to confirm that I misread it and indeed it was a joke - I got that one completely wrong that’s for sure 😂
  • I believe that Ged Roddy isn't happy with the nepotism being shown by Thomas Sandgaard by having Martin Sandgaard in the club.
    Brilliant!
    Source CE?
    soapboxsam was joking, as Roddy has his son Jacob at the club.
  • Fumbluff said:
    So did Thomas essentially say; “my sons never had a real job, I got him a job in marketing for my health electronics company and have paid him to do that for 14-years but luckily enough before that he was the worlds best unknown soccer expert so now I’ve sent him to London to run the footballing side of things at the club”
    Is he a friend of Driesden ?
  • I believe that Ged Roddy isn't happy with the nepotism being shown by Thomas Sandgaard by having Martin Sandgaard in the club.
    Brilliant!
    Source CE?
    soapboxsam was joking, as Roddy has his son Jacob at the club.
    That crossed my mind but still thought he was being serious.
    DOH…..🧐
  • edited November 2021
    The lack of clarity regarding Roddy's role and responsibilities could be doing him a disfavour as he could be being blamed for things wrongly. I still think there is no way Sandgaard will be disappointed with Jackson. If he is unhappy with things they have to be from those reporting to him regarding our stressful start, and that is why he has probably got his son involved. 
  • Is it not a possibility that the club was bought so that MS could be involved in something he has an interest in? MS did not make a success as a professional player, apparently due to distance. So TS may want to involve his son's passion in football another way, at the exec level.
  • I love porn, my dad never bought me the play boy mansion 

    Was it up for sale at the time?
  • The lack of clarity regarding Roddy's role and responsibilities could be doing him a disfavour as he could be being blamed for things wrongly. I still think there is no way Sandgaard will be disappointed with Jackson. If he is unhappy with things they have to be from those reporting to him regarding our stressful start, and that is why he has probably got his son involved. 
    His role and responsibilities have been quite clear, what hasn't and has created the rumour and innuendo is how much power and influence he has and hasn't got.

    The assumption that Adkins is his mate only adds to the narrative that he is the tail wagging the dog. 

    I thought that it looked like he had sold some sort of master plan to Thomas but the more Thomas speaks the more it sounds like it's actually Thomas's vision or plan.

    I think there are some legitimate questions that should be asked of Roddy but I don't think there is some sinister machiavellan plot
  • I am thinking of Sandgaard commenting on the distances players were covering to what they are now doing being a massive difference. The fact he mentioned it in an interview means he is very likely to be trying to understand why that is. JJ will know why that is and has probably told him and it might be a new answer, given as the old one was probably fitness.
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  • God help me for having to say this but perhaps Mr. Sandgaard and Charlton Athletic could learn something about running a football club by looking at our neighbours Millwall. Their owner is also based and earns his money in the USA and is not always to hand. What John Berylson has done is appoint an experienced CEO in Steve Kavanagh and I notice his son James Berylson is a Director. I don’t think that Berylson has spoken ambitions for Millwall to be regularly playing in Europe any time soon but there’s no question that Millwall are under his model a very well run and club making steady progress. 
    It's what I & many others have been banging on about for ages, bring in an experienced CEO to oversee things. I really fail to see what good sending a totally inexperienced young man in to be his eyes & ears can do. I feel very uneasy about this.
  • God help me for having to say this but perhaps Mr. Sandgaard and Charlton Athletic could learn something about running a football club by looking at our neighbours Millwall. Their owner is also based and earns his money in the USA and is not always to hand. What John Berylson has done is appoint an experienced CEO in Steve Kavanagh and I notice his son James Berylson is a Director. I don’t think that Berylson has spoken ambitions for Millwall to be regularly playing in Europe any time soon but there’s no question that Millwall are under his model a very well run and club making steady progress. 
    It's what I & many others have been banging on about for ages, bring in an experienced CEO to oversee things. I really fail to see what good sending a totally inexperienced young man in to be his eyes & ears can do. I feel very uneasy about this.
    How would he know that the CEO he appointed was doing what he wanted and that he was being told the truth? My guess is he would make his son a director to be his eyes and ears. It is what I would do.
    The fact is he has not made his son CEO is very relevant don’t you think? He could quite reasonably do that.
    But he hasn’t. Worth thinking about that.
    What experience does the role involve? what experience do you need to report back what you see and hear? Surely the only real qualification you need to do that job is to be able to articulate accurately what you have seen and heard? Or am I missing something?
    Why do you consider him to be totally inexperienced? He clearly is not totally an inexperienced young man. He has experience both in football and business. 
    He also has his Dad directing and asking the questions. A Dad who we know talks to people across football. Personally I don’t underestimate TS.
  • edited November 2021
    You would imagine Sandgaard Jr is merely acting as an extension of Sandgaard. If Thomas has felt helpless and lacking in information or honesty, it makes absolute sense for him to put one of the people he trusts more than anyone close at hand. It is probably no different to him as the owner being close at hand, which is difficult for him given his location, except his son probably knows a bit more about football than he does.
  • DOUCHER said:
    Got a lot of time for Airman and all he has done for the club over the years and 100% believe his intentions are always for the best for the club but he ain't always right that's for sure 
    He may not be God but he’s been damn close to it at times. 
  • It's not overly complicated. We're Charlton Athletic in the 3rd division not Real Madrid or a complex global corporation.

    Need a manager who gets the best out of his squad and scouts to find the type of players he wants and coaches to coach them. And a generous benefactor to stay in the background and fund it.

    It really is as simple as that no matter how many men in suits try to carve out careers in the football gravy train with ludicrously unearned and meaningless titles and roles and oft detrimental influence.

    Everything else is just unnecessary noise and pomp and might look great in a business plan or investor document but means nothing at this level of English football as been proved hitherto.

    We had the best business plan and management structure apparently at the start of the summer yet 6 weeks ago and the black box saw us sitting 23rd in the 3rd division until Jackson went back to basics and did what he thought best and turned it around with his coaches. Keep it simple.
    Spot on 
  • As for appointing family members. I would imagine somebody acting as your eyes and ears and being somebody you trust would fit a family member pretty well.
    I think 'trust' is the key point here. 
    Appoint a CEO and you could have another person providing contradictory feedback, noting that once a CEO is appointed, all feedback ought to be fed back via the CEO.
  • Leo Rifkind seems to have faded from the scene or at least the public scene.
  • One thing I don't understand is why JJ was allowed to change the formation from  4-3-3 immediately on his appointment?
    If it was recognised by Gallen / Roddy, etc. that 4-3-3 wasn't working under Adkins, sure Nigel should have been given the opportunity to use a different system(s) before he was sacked?
    What am I missing?
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  • One thing I don't understand is why JJ was allowed to change the formation from  4-3-3 immediately on his appointment?
    If it was recognised by Gallen / Roddy, etc. that 4-3-3 wasn't working under Adkins, sure Nigel should have been given the opportunity to use a different system(s) before he was sacked?
    What am I missing?
    Don't know but maybe Adkins didn't want to change the system. Perhaps the 433 was his idea and he didn't want to deviate from it as it would be seen as a sign of him being wrong.  Maybe it was forced on him but JJ refused to be dictated to. Maybe it is just what each of them prefer.

    JJ and JE clearly have their own ideas on what formation to play and what players to use and so far it is working.

    But the longer JJ has success with this formation and starting XI the more the summer recruitment looks like it wasn't the main or only problem, at least not the early signings of Dobson and Clare.

    The failures, if it is fair to say that so early on, have been later recruits such as Kirk, Arter, Souare. On the other hand later recruits such as Leko, Lavelle and Lee have, apart from injuries, done well.

    I think that there isn't one simple answer (there rarely is to complicated questions) about why we started so poorly or what was wrong behind the scenes.  Remember we finished last season very strongly and all looked good, from the outside at least, back in May.

    But JJ has the team winning and he's a legend, as is Euell who I think maybe being overlooked by some. 

    The power dynamic changes in any organisation when roles or people change. There is a battle for power and status.  Sometimes that stage is moved through quickly, sometimes not.

    Is Roddy blocking JJ and JE's permanent appointment because he feels it undermines him?  Perhaps, I don't know. 

    Is Roddy saying hang on, let's take our time and see who else is out there before jumping to appoint a caretaker the way Man Utd did with Ole?  Perhaps, I don't know.

    Is Sandgaard Snr taking his time because he can and will make his decision when he sees fit?  Perhaps, I don't know.
  • Leo Rifkind seems to have faded from the scene or at least the public scene.
    As a non exec director, he would never be a public figure. I imagine he's advising TS on some of the UK corporate issues and any potential purchase of the real estate
  • edited November 2021
    One thing I don't understand is why JJ was allowed to change the formation from  4-3-3 immediately on his appointment?
    If it was recognised by Gallen / Roddy, etc. that 4-3-3 wasn't working under Adkins, sure Nigel should have been given the opportunity to use a different system(s) before he was sacked?
    What am I missing?
    Nigel played a 352 twice so that breaks any idea he was being forced to play a formation. When we first appointed him, we knew he'd primarily be playing the 4231 here because that's his system. 

    It's not really that unusual for a manager to blindly stick to something that's not working... Ala Karl Robinson...
  • JJ also knows the players we bought from his past/coaching/links with other managers. How much would NA actually know about guys in L1 while taking time out of football. 

    I agree with some of Grapevine's post about them needing a review. Only 2 players are playing in the same role as they did under NA - MacGillivray and Gilbey. Everybody else's role or position has been modified for about 90% of an improvement.
  • So who was 4Real in his previous CL persona? 
    I'd also like to know this. 
  • One thing I don't understand is why JJ was allowed to change the formation from  4-3-3 immediately on his appointment?
    If it was recognised by Gallen / Roddy, etc. that 4-3-3 wasn't working under Adkins, sure Nigel should have been given the opportunity to use a different system(s) before he was sacked?
    What am I missing?
    Don't know but maybe Adkins didn't want to change the system. Perhaps the 433 was his idea and he didn't want to deviate from it as it would be seen as a sign of him being wrong.  Maybe it was forced on him but JJ refused to be dictated to. Maybe it is just what each of them prefer.

    JJ and JE clearly have their own ideas on what formation to play and what players to use and so far it is working.

    But the longer JJ has success with this formation and starting XI the more the summer recruitment looks like it wasn't the main or only problem, at least not the early signings of Dobson and Clare.

    The failures, if it is fair to say that so early on, have been later recruits such as Kirk, Arter, Souare. On the other hand later recruits such as Leko, Lavelle and Lee have, apart from injuries, done well.

    I think that there isn't one simple answer (there rarely is to complicated questions) about why we started so poorly or what was wrong behind the scenes.  Remember we finished last season very strongly and all looked good, from the outside at least, back in May.

    But JJ has the team winning and he's a legend, as is Euell who I think maybe being overlooked by some. 

    The power dynamic changes in any organisation when roles or people change. There is a battle for power and status.  Sometimes that stage is moved through quickly, sometimes not.

    Is Roddy blocking JJ and JE's permanent appointment because he feels it undermines him?  Perhaps, I don't know. 

    Is Roddy saying hang on, let's take our time and see who else is out there before jumping to appoint a caretaker the way Man Utd did with Ole?  Perhaps, I don't know.

    Is Sandgaard Snr taking his time because he can and will make his decision when he sees fit?  Perhaps, I don't know.
    I doubt JJ refused to be dictated to. I suspect he wasn't dictated to in what was a crisis situation.
  • For TS I don't think there is a 'delay'. 

    He said he would take his time (30-60 days?). He is only just back in the UK and I think I heard it reported 'for a little while'.

    No doubt he will talk to JJ face to face this week and reach his conclusion. He is right to learn of other options / possible interest from outside as part of that process - doesn't mean he will go with them however.

    I suspect he is also keen to ensure the whole management piece can hang together and assure himself JJ can be part of that. I don't mean in any way that Roddy /Gallen or his son have undue influence (as I just don't know) but simply that he needs to be comfortable he (JJ) can step up and be part  of that aspect too.
  • I thought Grapevine's post was a fantastic piece of analysis, although I suggest the tweak that Jake Forster-Caskey would probably be able to do a decent job in Gilbey's role, and would certainly do a fine job in Purrington's
  • edited November 2021
    Chunes said:
    One thing I don't understand is why JJ was allowed to change the formation from  4-3-3 immediately on his appointment?
    If it was recognised by Gallen / Roddy, etc. that 4-3-3 wasn't working under Adkins, sure Nigel should have been given the opportunity to use a different system(s) before he was sacked?
    What am I missing?
    Nigel played a 352 twice so that breaks any idea he was being forced to play a formation. When we first appointed him, we knew he'd primarily be playing the 4231 here because that's his system. 

    It's not really that unusual for a manager to blindly stick to something that's not working... Ala Karl Robinson...


    I saw it as a 50/50

    Adkins was brought in because his coaching style and preferred formation fits the plan, he stuck to it apart from 2 games, desperation to make the system work? Maybe.

    It didn't work out, was he really going to admit to his employer that he couldn't do what he was hired to do?
    Probably not. 

    We now have the boss' son around, who, will probably find it easier reporting back the thoughts and opinions.
     

    But, one thing's for sure, Ged Roddy is to blame. 

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