Why do people keep positioning Adkins as Roddy’s mate?
Where’s the connection?
The only link I can see Is Les Reed who was at Southampton with NA and in a technical position with the FA while GR was with PL.
Please advise
I think there is an assumption by many that Roddy played a big part in the appointment of Adkins. Whether it is correct or not I don't know but it would be a surprise if Sandgaard appointed him off his own bat. Somebody must have advised him.
Not sacked today suggests that he will be in charge at Fleetwood. I hate this club sometimes
Should have been done today, caretaker in for Fleetwood, permanent installed during international break.
I suppose "He who pays the piper calls the tune", ultimately he will get this right, he has too or he will be waving goodbye to his income and the supporters who will vote with their feet, who knows, he may be interviewing as we speak, and would like a replacement set up before wielding the axe, as he wanted to do with Bowyer...
Not sacked today suggests that he will be in charge at Fleetwood. I hate this club sometimes
Should have been done today, caretaker in for Fleetwood, permanent installed during international break.
Permanent in before the pointless Southampton game as it would give the new guy an opportunity to look at players, or for euell and or jj to start drilling their ideas into players
The short term solution is easy but will never happen. Remove Adkins and Roddy. Replace them with JJ and Euell and Curbs. Get in a decent and proven CEO ( Varney would be ideal ). Use the time to either back the new management duo or seek an alternative. For those that feel JJ is too tied to Adkins and what's happened, I'd point to his ongoing 100% record as manager when it's left to him. More than that, other than when Adkins had Covid, we haven't heard a peep out of JJ. We see little of him on the touchline either. Why is that? Can we seriously believe that this intelligent and passionate man agrees with Nigel's approach in recent weeks? I'm not having it. I think he's the man for the job especially if backed with Euell and Curbs as I suggest. Sadly, not even the Adkins going part may happen yet! Oh dear, what a mess!
Who coaches the defence ? I don’t know for certain and perhaps I’m off beam but our defence is appalling at present.
But does JJ coach the defence to play with virtually no support from midfield like last night? That formation we started with was fine when we were on the attack and pressing but as soon as Bolton got back into the game our midfield couldn't cope - the 2 wide players didn't track back, Lee stayed upfield which left Watson and Clare (neither of whom are natural CDM's) isolated and overrun and with only an attacking mid (Gilbey) and an unfit crock (Arter) on the bench. I think we ended up with a 4-1-5 formation at the end - that's down to the manager. Add to that the fact that we don't appear to have a decent right back on our books. They may be Welsh internationals but both Matthews and Gunter have been caught out too many times not getting the basics of defending right.
This is exactly how I saw it.
We played with two wide players and a triangle in the centre of midfield ... Lee at the front and Watson and Clare as the base.
Going forward, that's OK ... but when we lose possession, either the two wide players have track back to avoid the regular overload (not just last night, but in every game so far) that our full-backs experience ... or one of Watson and Clare have to move across to support Matthews or Purrington.
None of this happened, so we get done at full-back time and time again.
Either the midfield players have not been told what to do, or they are incapable of doing it.
Watson or Clare moving across would leave a massive hole in the middle of the park
In reality Lee played more like a second striker than an advanced midfielder, as instinctively that's what he is. He's not great defensively either
No.
You move as a unit. So, if Watson has to move across to support the full-back, Clare also moves across to fill the gap that Watson has created. Then the wide player moves back to fill the gap that Clare has created.
You have effectively brought one of your wide players back ... but in a much less critical and more controlled way.
But the players have to adopt this mindset or have it coached into them.
Neither seems to be happening.
Surely though, if the overload is down your right, you want your right winger to be the one covering back, not to move 3 players out of position?
And the way we played, it's both wide players (plus) Lee all upfield, so if the opposition break, the winger on the other side of the pitch will be stranded upfield just as much as the one on this side
Personally, I think it's gone too far now and NA should be removed. 10 games is enough time to see when something is going REALLY wrong, and not just a temporary drop in form.
Jackson and Euell can take charge for Fleetwood (and the Pizza game next week), which may or may not give a temporary boost
As for permanent choices, I'd rather go for someone on the way up, not someone on the way down, clinging on to their managerial career, which in retrospect is what the Adkins appointment feels like (ditto Slade). However dismal we may be on the pitch, compared to most L1 and L2 clubs we're still a really attractive job, with the resources and fanbase we have. There will be managers in L1 thinking that their clubs have reached their ceiling, where it's hard to go any higher and even if they do, they'll go straight down, whereas Charlton ought to be competitive in the Championship.
This season we have been mostly overturned by young managers whose teams play decent football as teams.
and the teams are overwhelmingly made up of young, hungry and energetic players. Our strategy of signing thirtysomething's who are after one last payday isn't a route many other sides seem interested in taking.
So a young manager with player experience, a CAFC connection and proven at sorting out a squad near the bottom of this division?
There is one out there…Jimmy Floyd Hasselbank.
I think I’m joking.
I actually think he is a good shout.
The one thing that would slightly make we wary, if that Hasselbaink has been really successful in both spells at Burton, but less so elsewhere, when he tried to "step up" before
I personally don’t get the need for the manager to have a Charlton connection. Something like that can be earned, just get your players working hard and showing a bit of resilience when the shit hits the fan. I also think a few people need to realise where we are. 23rd in L1, we are no longer a good attraction for an established manager. We need a young, hungry and upcoming coach in my opinion, even if they’re from league 2.
Agreed
It's like when you hear managers say "the one thing Huddersfield fans insist on is hard work and giving 100% effort every game" as if they were unique, and that Hull and Sheffield Wednesday fans accept players ambling around and giving 75%...
I think it was Mendez’ tweet in relation to his write up saying he can see NA is feeling the pressure for the first time (or something to that effect).
What I find strange about this is that surely he knows how bad it’s been this season and could see this coming? I know you have to believe in what you’re doing, your own ability when you have job, whatever that job is, but there must’ve been an awareness that all is not right?
The chopping and changing, the levels of performances, the results. There’s sunny side up and glass half full, but then there’s being blinkered to bigger problems.
He talked about a spirit after Pompey, but that was clearly misjudged on his part on last night’s showing. A team that have a spirit don’t collapse like we did. No way.
I don’t like seeing it come to this. You know he’s a decent bloke, works hard and is trying everything he has in his locker, it just hasn’t worked. I thought it was looking untenable a few weeks back. It would be some sort of miracle for him to turn it round now
So a young manager with player experience, a CAFC connection and proven at sorting out a squad near the bottom of this division?
There is one out there…Jimmy Floyd Hasselbank.
I think I’m joking.
I actually think he is a good shout.
The one thing that would slightly make we wary, if that Hasselbaink has been really successful in both spells at Burton, but less so elsewhere, when he tried to "step up" before
Also I think a lot of fans wouldn't be very patient with him if things weren't going well considering how shit he was with us as a player. There isn't much love for the guy
I think it was Mendez’ tweet in relation to his write up saying he can see NA is feeling the pressure for the first time (or something to that effect).
What I find strange about this is that surely he knows how bad it’s been this season and could see this coming? I know you have to believe in what you’re doing, your own ability when you have job, whatever that job is, but there must’ve been an awareness that all is not right?
The chopping and changing, the levels of performances, the results. There’s sunny side up and glass half full, but then there’s being blinkered to bigger problems.
He talked about a spirit after Pompey, but that was clearly misjudged on his part on last night’s showing. A team that have a spirit don’t collapse like we did. No way.
I don’t like seeing it come to this. You know he’s a decent bloke, works hard and is trying everything he has in his locker, it just hasn’t worked. I thought it was looking untenable a few weeks back. It would be some sort of miracle for him to turn it round now
Three biggest issues is the general lack of fitness, lack of confidence and the inability to name a settled side. Factors 1+ 2 = Factors 3.
My number 1 concern is that the squad needs investment in January, big time and that the Adkins pay off money will come from the January transfer budget. If we are in the same position after 15/20 matches I do think young managers in league 1 might not want the job. Now until the 16th October, TS needs to show his leadership skills before things go really bad.
So a young manager with player experience, a CAFC connection and proven at sorting out a squad near the bottom of this division?
There is one out there…Jimmy Floyd Hasselbank.
I think I’m joking.
I actually think he is a good shout.
The one thing that would slightly make we wary, if that Hasselbaink has been really successful in both spells at Burton, but less so elsewhere, when he tried to "step up" before
Also I think a lot of fans wouldn't be very patient with him if things weren't going well considering how shit he was with us as a player. There isn't much love for the guy
Yes, with most ex Charlton players turned managers the legacy of their playing days gives extra protection from the fans, whereas in his case it's the opposite.
I think it was Mendez’ tweet in relation to his write up saying he can see NA is feeling the pressure for the first time (or something to that effect).
What I find strange about this is that surely he knows how bad it’s been this season and could see this coming? I know you have to believe in what you’re doing, your own ability when you have job, whatever that job is, but there must’ve been an awareness that all is not right?
The chopping and changing, the levels of performances, the results. There’s sunny side up and glass half full, but then there’s being blinkered to bigger problems.
He talked about a spirit after Pompey, but that was clearly misjudged on his part on last night’s showing. A team that have a spirit don’t collapse like we did. No way.
I don’t like seeing it come to this. You know he’s a decent bloke, works hard and is trying everything he has in his locker, it just hasn’t worked. I thought it was looking untenable a few weeks back. It would be some sort of miracle for him to turn it round now
I suspect Adkins did genuinely think he could turn it around and find that spark to reverse his/our fortunes - rightly or wrongly.
Now I think his own belief is starting to wane if it hasn't already.
I personally don’t get the need for the manager to have a Charlton connection. Something like that can be earned, just get your players working hard and showing a bit of resilience when the shit hits the fan. I also think a few people need to realise where we are. 23rd in L1, we are no longer a good attraction for an established manager. We need a young, hungry and upcoming coach in my opinion, even if they’re from league 2.
it shouldn't be needed, I agree, but in my 30 plus years watching Charlton we have had 4 "successful" managers. Lennie Lawrence, Curbs, Powell, and Bowyer. All four of them were in their first full-time jobs as a manager and all of them had either played for us or were already working at the club when they took over.
Correlation does not always mean causation, of course, and the disasterous Pardew was a former player too and Les Reed and Parkinson were also already at the club, but it does suggest that those two things might be part of the recipe that makes for a good a Charlton manager.
Not sacked today suggests that he will be in charge at Fleetwood. I hate this club sometimes
You could always offer to pay Adkins contract up. Might speed up the process
Nah, that would be a stupid thing to do. I’ll let the owner deal with it on Sunday morning when we are deeper in the relegation shit than we currently are now.
If/when TS pulls the trigger it's not just am admission that it was a "bad" appointment. It's an admission that the whole project has failed. Especially if Jackson doesn't get the job, permanently, the same day.
If Adkins had been given carte blanched to do what ever he wanted I think it would be a much easier call to make.
Why do people keep positioning Adkins as Roddy’s mate?
Where’s the connection?
The only link I can see Is Les Reed who was at Southampton with NA and in a technical position with the FA while GR was with PL.
Please advise
I think there is an assumption by many that Roddy played a big part in the appointment of Adkins. Whether it is correct or not I don't know but it would be a surprise if Sandgaard appointed him off his own bat. Somebody must have advised him.
The last time I contributed on one of these type of threads was after the Swindon defeat under Phil Parkinson.
I commented « for a job interview (with the new board) it was a very bad night »
Last night was a very bad night.
The challenge however goes far deeper than just one night and one man.
It argues as to why Mr Sandgaard bought* the club in the first place
* In addressing this aspect can we dismiss this nonsense about other investors and an Administration rescuing our situation. It is utter nonsense.
The club is in a parlous state after a decade of abuse where Baton 2010 begat Jiminez (property) begat Duchâtelet ( property) begat ESI (fuck knows). Different folks, different playbooks, different agenda.
We are diminished. The Stadium, Training Ground are no longer ours. Nobody was going to pay the asking price. ESI was allegedly « the get out of jail » card RD bought. Trading liabilities are gone. Ex directors can wait. Leverage is done.
Mr Adkins? The challenge is far deeper than just one night and one man.
NA is an extremely well qualified coach and a very decent guy. So please keep your one dimensional playground juvenile insults to yourself.
It starts with the simple question of just how and why is, for an important League 1 fixture, £1mn of talent and probably a very expensive loanee not on the pitch. The club has invested in Arter, Kirk, Stockley, Jaiyesimi. It is not a good look.
Sandgaard spent considerable money in legal expertise and other areas acquiring the club. I suspect he did research into a sustainable business model.
TS, GR, SG, NA and SA all signed into the business model.
TS has implemented; - a new recruitment team - new recruitment analytics and procedures - a new one club culture evidenced by 51 full professional contracts
After a decade of chaos he is intent on stability and sustainable growth.
The ambition is rarely the problem. It is a matter of how and when you implement change.
It was debatable whether you implement all of the new elements at this time.
I wouldn’t have. I regarded the brand as too weak, the infrastructure too fragile, the culture too febrile. Years of neglect driven by poisonous self interest can creep into the very fibre of the business.
Each & every one of those elements will present significant challenges to any Head Coach at any time.
We missed 4 key preseason milestones NA was on a hiding to nothing.
Does TS? Do we have a right to expect better from NA, JJ, JE and the players?
Absolutely, but it is foolish to ignore the mitigating circumstances to simply blow it all up and start all over again after 10 weeks. Stability? Revolving doors?
A new manager? With his staff? With his players? With 51 contracts on the books? Have you got a price tag with that? Do you remember Dowie? Pardew? We watched them fritter away a decade of growth before our very eyes.
You want to continue the chaos of 2008/ 2009? Peninsular Dev. Opps? 2011 /2012? Liege player dumps 2014? Player trading punts 2015/2016? Stakeholder Wars 2017/2018? Investment pipe dreams & Luxury Cars 2019/2020?
I recognise the pain but the next steps are key to the existence of the club.
If Adkins goes who else in the EFL is going to sign into the business model?
If you are going to rip up the business model where next for Sandgaard?
Murray, Chappell, The 25, Jiminez, Duchâtelet, ESI, Sandgaard how many more?
TS, GR, SG, NA and SA need to revisit the business model, it’s timings and operations to find a way forward. Whether NA still has a role to play and what role that maybe will come out of those discussions.
The entire process appears to be far more complicated than it needs to be. Complexity confuses people. The players appear palpably confused.
As with every success and failure what’s done is done. There are 3 questions; a) is Adkins equipped with the skills and resources to take us forward. b) is Adkins the best person to take us forward within a revised business model
if not who is? I am not sure there is a readily available answer.
Change for the better is good. Change for the sake of it delivers very little.
Great post @Grapevine. I agree with everything except that while Adkins is caught in a storm, some of his solutions defy explanation. Keeping a tired CBT on the pitch, not having Kirk on the bench. And those 45 minute periods in which Cheltenham and Wycombe roasted us and he let it ride.
I agree that any incoming manager we unearth will have all the same problems with an unfit unbalanced squad. But Adkins is a busted flush now, and is trying random combinations. The Bolton manager knew we would tire last night - Adkins didn't plan for it and they are his players
I have horrible .doubts about the level of replacement we might get in. But very few sbout where Adkins is taking us.
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His youtube interview confirmed it.
Might speed up the process
And the way we played, it's both wide players (plus) Lee all upfield, so if the opposition break, the winger on the other side of the pitch will be stranded upfield just as much as the one on this side
It's like when you hear managers say "the one thing Huddersfield fans insist on is hard work and giving 100% effort every game" as if they were unique, and that Hull and Sheffield Wednesday fans accept players ambling around and giving 75%...
The chopping and changing, the levels of performances, the results. There’s sunny side up and glass half full, but then there’s being blinkered to bigger problems.
I don’t like seeing it come to this. You know he’s a decent bloke, works hard and is trying everything he has in his locker, it just hasn’t worked. I thought it was looking untenable a few weeks back. It would be some sort of miracle for him to turn it round now
Now I think his own belief is starting to wane if it hasn't already.
If Adkins had been given carte blanched to do what ever he wanted I think it would be a much easier call to make.
Needs to go PDQ!
I agree that any incoming manager we unearth will have all the same problems with an unfit unbalanced squad. But Adkins is a busted flush now, and is trying random combinations. The Bolton manager knew we would tire last night - Adkins didn't plan for it and they are his players
I have horrible .doubts about the level of replacement we might get in. But very few sbout where Adkins is taking us.