I think because there’s no outright denial and public backing, along with “no statement on Adkins tonight”, I think sandgaard and co want to announce his replacement before announcing his sacking.
Is Laudrop still an option? (Anyone of them will do, Michael Brian, Agnitha) very fitting name. If we have to get relegated, we may as well go down with a bang
I think because there’s no outright denial and public backing, along with “no statement on Adkins tonight”, I think sandgaard and co want to announce his replacement before announcing his sacking.
Or there's just a lot of headless chickens not knowing what to do and protecting their own backs. I don't recall any 'management' statement about Adkins at all, all season, and don't expect one if he isn't sacked.
It all really boils down to how much of it is Adkins fault, or more importantly how much TS believes is Adkins fault.
If it's decided that the main issue has been poor recruitment then you've got a committee to blame (including TS himself). If it's decided that the whole playing set up is wrong then it could fall on Roddy if Adkins is simply implementing his ideas. If it's decided that Adkins simply hasn't got the best out of what he has, despite having full autonomy then his head roles....
There are a lot of variables, for me it's who has been the driving force of the structure, playing style, recruitment etc and I'm yet to be convinced that falls wholly onto Adkins.
Many have been very quick to put all the blame on Adkins and to a lesser extent JJ and Euell, but none of us truly know under what circumstances and authority they are operating under. I've absolutely no inside information but just fail to believe Adkins who was a decent enough manager has suddenly lost the plot as it would, externally, appear. He's not a fool in footballing circles.
Add to that, it is believed from what we've heard that post games TS refers to Gallen & Roddy, another reason that it makes me believe Adkins doesn't have the autonomy a manager should.
If we see Adkins, and Adkins only sacked then clearly TS believes it all lays at his door (whether true or not), if others go as well then maybe the problem isn't just Adkins. If Adkins doesn't go then clearly the belief is he's doing the best with the cards he's been dealt.
I personally believe there's a lot more to all of this and where we find ourselves than Adkins being an awful manager with the tactics of a goldfish.
When under observation, electrons are being "forced" to behave like particles and not like waves. Thus the mere act of observation affects the findings.
Look away now and it will be announced that Nigel Adkins is leaving to spend more time with his family.
I still have a nagging suspicion he'll be in charge on Saturday. Would sacking him today give whoever is taking the team Saturday enough time to work on things?
Everything I have ever read about Adkins points to him being a good man. He has clearly come to the club wanting to achieve success and for whatever reason that unfortunately has not happened. I am sure nobody is more gutted about that than him. I am sure his pay off will be a substantial sum however I doubt it is anything he is going to be able to retire on and he will clearly have to find work elsewhere with his reputation significantly weakened to what it was when he took us over.
I know football managers are paid good money and it perhaps comes with the territory however it must have been a very lonely few weeks for him. I personally cannot think of anything worse than being stood in the middle of a football stadium with thousands of fans chanting about your impending demise, I have been in a job before where I've known I'm in over my head and its a terrible feeling. It must be even worse when your failure is in the public spotlight, either in your place of work like it has been for Adkins and all over the Internet as well.
I have posted myself over the last few weeks that a change is probably needed however I must admit the very public lynching of managers does make me a little uncomfortable, I am not just talking about Adkins but in general. I've been guilty of it myself and its easy to do as almost all of our collective loyalty is to our club and not the manager and results for our club have been really poor this season.
If Adkins does go which looks likely then he will go with my best wishes. Sometimes things work out in life and sometimes they don't. I am sure he has tried his best and will be as disappointed as us that it has not worked out as he planned. Nobody takes a job with the intention of not succeeding.
Well said, great post! Sums up my own feelings much better than I could have expressed them.
If he is that good a man then perhaps he should walk, the only thing he seems good at, rather than wait to be pushed! The abuse he seems to be getting on social media is unacceptable but chants at a football ground when his ineptitude is clear for all to see is part and parcel of being a failed manager. If he can't accept that then a career change is needed if in fact he does need another job after this one.
Well perhaps although I would hedge a bet that no matter how nice a guy someone is they are unlikely to walk away from a job knowing they are due a payoff. Especially in such an uncertain climate as football, who can say when he will find another job?
It is never nice not succeeding in your line of work, that's the same whether you earn £9 an hour or £90 an hour. Has NA succeeded in this job so far? I think even he would say no. Has he given it his best shot? I'm sure he has and I've heard nothing to suggest he's skiving training or sat watching netflix in his office.
It's rubbish not doing well at a job, take that from me I've been there. It was irrelevant how much I was recompensed because no amount of money made the feeling of not succeeding any better. It's a horrible, lonely place to be. I wouldn't wish it on anyone. I cannot imagine what it would have been like in front of a national audience.
As I said before I have not seen anything portraying NA as anything other than a good person. His morning videos might not be my cup of tea but they are clearly about injecting some positivity into people's lives and trying to improve people's mental health. He doesn't have to do them, and people don't have to like them and I understood the gentle mocking he got for them and I'm sure he knew they'd be open to ridicule as well. But using them as some form of stick to beat and mock him with as he stares down the barrel of the sack feels a little unfair.
As others have said people can want a change of direction at the club and still respect that a man has tried his best and wish him well. Being branded a failure, useless, inept etc i imagine hurts regardless of whether you are on 20k a year or 250k a year.
I still have a nagging suspicion he'll be in charge on Saturday. Would sacking him today give whoever is taking the team Saturday enough time to work on things?
If he gets sacked today JJ will take charge Saturday wheather we bring in a new manager or not.
I still have a nagging suspicion he'll be in charge on Saturday. Would sacking him today give whoever is taking the team Saturday enough time to work on things?
Well no, but it’s not really a game we are expected to win anyway so with that in mind it’s not as much of an issue.
As I and others have said we should have had someone new in charge against Fleetwood, used that as hopefully a confidence builder - worked hard on the training ground during the international break and maybe we would have got something out of the Lincoln and Accrington games.
Even the Fleetwood win for Adkins didn’t necessarily show a new confident style of football. We were just a little more effective as a team as poor as us. Should never have been used as a barometer to keep him on if he won.
I still have a nagging suspicion he'll be in charge on Saturday. Would sacking him today give whoever is taking the team Saturday enough time to work on things?
If he gets sacked today JJ will take charge Saturday wheather we bring in a new manager or not.
I think it'd be Euell to take charge for Saturday if Adkins gets binned today
Thursday is the day for Nigel’s five minute inaudible/incomprehensible pre match press conference. The usual highlight is hearing Nigel answer a question that has taken an age to ask and is mumbled and convoluted. The only interest is contemplating what on earth has been asked by trying to follow the answers. If there is no Adkins press conference on Charlton TV today it will be a relief, not because he has gone, but because it is stressful trying to figure out what question he is answering.
Who’d love to see Curbs and Brownie in the dugout vs Sunderland on Saturday?
Not me. I really don’t get the desire for brown. He has had two non league managerial jobs and two sackings. At least Adkins is failing in the professional leagues
Talks a good game though. Bit like the bloke up the pub
A bit like the majority of us on here. An International goalkeeper once said to me it’s better to have been a has been than a never have been 😉
I still have a nagging suspicion he'll be in charge on Saturday. Would sacking him today give whoever is taking the team Saturday enough time to work on things?
Well no, but it’s not really a game we are expected to win anyway so with that in mind it’s not as much of an issue.
As I and others have said we should have had someone new in charge against Fleetwood, used that as hopefully a confidence builder - worked hard on the training ground during the international break and maybe we would have got something out of the Lincoln and Accrington games.
Even the Fleetwood win for Adkins didn’t necessarily show a new confident style of football. We were just a little more effective as a team as poor as us. Should never have been used as a barometer to keep him on if he won.
Absolutely agree with you on the Fleetwood point , that should have been when he went , would have given the new man 2 weeks to really work on the training ground and get their ideas and style across.
I still have a nagging suspicion he'll be in charge on Saturday. Would sacking him today give whoever is taking the team Saturday enough time to work on things?
If he gets sacked today JJ will take charge Saturday wheather we bring in a new manager or not.
Agreed. TS has spoken about JJ getting the gig one day and I think he’d be wary of the potential backlash from fans if he sacked JJ so I can’t see him going.
Not sure if that will mean stepping back if the new guy wants his own assistant though.
I still have a nagging suspicion he'll be in charge on Saturday. Would sacking him today give whoever is taking the team Saturday enough time to work on things?
If he gets sacked today JJ will take charge Saturday wheather we bring in a new manager or not.
Agreed. TS has spoken about JJ getting the gig one day and I think he’d be wary of the potential backlash from fans if he sacked JJ so I can’t see him going.
Not sure if that will mean stepping back if the new guy wants his own assistant though.
Maybe JJ is the new guy
I don’t think there would be an enormous backlash if JJ got sacked. There would be unhappiness and sympathy for him but I for one wouldn’t be getting my pitchfork sharpened.
I still have a nagging suspicion he'll be in charge on Saturday. Would sacking him today give whoever is taking the team Saturday enough time to work on things?
If he gets sacked today JJ will take charge Saturday wheather we bring in a new manager or not.
Agreed. TS has spoken about JJ getting the gig one day and I think he’d be wary of the potential backlash from fans if he sacked JJ so I can’t see him going.
Not sure if that will mean stepping back if the new guy wants his own assistant though.
Maybe JJ is the new guy
I don’t think there would be an enormous backlash if JJ got sacked. There would be unhappiness and sympathy for him but I for one wouldn’t be getting my pitchfork sharpened.
One day does not mean today.
Better if he gets some proper managerial experience somewhere else.
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While I'm here, what time do people reckon the club twitter feed will break radio silence today?
very fitting name. If we have to get relegated, we may as well go down with a bang
His comments are accurate but I think most people could spot the issues he did, that does not mean that just anyone could take the job.
It all really boils down to how much of it is Adkins fault, or more importantly how much TS believes is Adkins fault.
If it's decided that the main issue has been poor recruitment then you've got a committee to blame (including TS himself).
If it's decided that the whole playing set up is wrong then it could fall on Roddy if Adkins is simply implementing his ideas.
If it's decided that Adkins simply hasn't got the best out of what he has, despite having full autonomy then his head roles....
There are a lot of variables, for me it's who has been the driving force of the structure, playing style, recruitment etc and I'm yet to be convinced that falls wholly onto Adkins.
Many have been very quick to put all the blame on Adkins and to a lesser extent JJ and Euell, but none of us truly know under what circumstances and authority they are operating under. I've absolutely no inside information but just fail to believe Adkins who was a decent enough manager has suddenly lost the plot as it would, externally, appear. He's not a fool in footballing circles.
Add to that, it is believed from what we've heard that post games TS refers to Gallen & Roddy, another reason that it makes me believe Adkins doesn't have the autonomy a manager should.
If we see Adkins, and Adkins only sacked then clearly TS believes it all lays at his door (whether true or not), if others go as well then maybe the problem isn't just Adkins. If Adkins doesn't go then clearly the belief is he's doing the best with the cards he's been dealt.
I personally believe there's a lot more to all of this and where we find ourselves than Adkins being an awful manager with the tactics of a goldfish.
Quantum mechanics.
When under observation, electrons are being "forced" to behave like particles and not like waves. Thus the mere act of observation affects the findings.
Look away now and it will be announced that Nigel Adkins is leaving to spend more time with his family.
Listen to the science.
New manager bounce of...."we better give more effort in this game so it will make it look like Adkins was from another planet and didn't have a clue"
What do i win?
As I and others have said we should have had someone new in charge against Fleetwood, used that as hopefully a confidence builder - worked hard on the training ground during the international break and maybe we would have got something out of the Lincoln and Accrington games.
The usual highlight is hearing Nigel answer a question that has taken an age to ask and is mumbled and convoluted.
The only interest is contemplating what on earth has been asked by trying to follow the answers.
If there is no Adkins press conference on Charlton TV today it will be a relief, not because he has gone, but because it is stressful trying to figure out what question he is answering.
Absolutely agree with you on the Fleetwood point , that should have been when he went , would have given the new man 2 weeks to really work on the training ground and get their ideas and style across.
Better if he gets some proper managerial experience somewhere else.
One last walk around the ground