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"Reggie, 6 years old, leaving a note that reads “Thank you for all our dinner” at the vandalised Rashford mural is too much. For every arsehole there is a superstar"
Just read this on Twitter.
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Totallt agree mate we were all talking about this at work today and I was running a risk of turning red. Once I reminded them that the shitrags were essentially encouraging the hanging of Beckham effigies in 1998 and revelling in it we reached a point where none of them had seen any abuse online aimed at any of our players. Genuinely I've had to seek out abusive comments made to the penalty 3, not that I think for a second there was no bile however I'm pleased by the support shown. In fact I'm the only person who dug Marcus Rushford out for trying to be cute with his penalty when he has one of the best ball striking techniques in the country, dont doubt his minerals for taking one though and thats what I've seen. Support and empathyAFKABartram said:Beckham and Rooney got ten times the abuse The Penalty Three have received. They are getting widespread empathy and support from the masses like I’ve not seen before.It’s such a shame that underneath the sensational abusive tip that can be evidenced and extrapolated by social media, the general public reaction to failure is far more mature and supportive than ever seen before.5 -
👏AFKABartram said:Beckham and Rooney got ten times the abuse The Penalty Three have received. They are getting widespread empathy and support from the masses like I’ve not seen before.It’s such a shame that underneath the sensational abusive tip that can be evidenced and extrapolated by social media, the general public reaction to failure is far more mature and supportive than ever seen before.1 -
I think we miss the point when we say there are people that are just as bad from other countries. This could be the time when we say to the a*holes, F off out of our game. When the majority demand better standards of behaviour it will happen. Eventually.1
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When a country like Italy is trying to get on a moral high horse with England it is absolutely right that we should say, loudly get your own house in order first. This season a TV station overlaid Romelu Lukaku with banana graphics for fuck sake. Clearly our figurative underpants aren't immaculate of skid marks but they are most certainly not the 2lb turd filled gussets of Italy when it comes to inclusivity, racial diversity and progression. Same with France, thats the only place I've been on public transport and seen someone outwardly racially abusing someone at 10 in the morningMuttleyCAFC said:I think we miss the point when we say there are people that are just as bad from other countries. This could be the time when we say to the a*holes, F off out of our game. When the majority demand better standards of behaviour it will happen. Eventually.12 -
Quite rightCarter said:
When a country like Italy is trying to get on a moral high horse with England it is absolutely right that we should say, loudly get your own house in order first. This season a TV station overlaid Romelu Lukaku with banana graphics for fuck sake. Clearly our figurative underpants aren't immaculate of skid marks but they are most certainly not the 2lb turd filled gussets of Italy when it comes to inclusivity, racial diversity and progression. Same with France, thats the only place I've been on public transport and seen someone outwardly racially abusing someone at 10 in the morningMuttleyCAFC said:I think we miss the point when we say there are people that are just as bad from other countries. This could be the time when we say to the a*holes, F off out of our game. When the majority demand better standards of behaviour it will happen. Eventually.0 -
If you don't focus on washing your own underpants they will remain dirty. It is irrelevant how dirty others' are as we have no control over them. I think there is a national feeling that these self entitled pricks need tackling and whilst I can see that some of the accusers are no angels themselves, I will be delighted if we come down hard on our pricks and kick them out of football if they can't abide by basic standards of decency. Our standards, not somebody else's.7
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Sorry Muttley, I can't agree with that, not when they are trying to take the moral high ground as Carter says. Yes, we shouldn't paper over the cracks and pretend nothing is wrong jut because other countries have been or are, worse. But Italians giving us stick for racism and violence is absolutely laughable. And the racism in Italy isn't just down to a few scumbags either, it's half the bloody population.MuttleyCAFC said:If you don't focus on washing your own underpants they will remain dirty. It is irrelevant how dirty others' are as we have no control over them. I think there is a national feeling that these self entitled pricks need tackling and whilst I can see that some of the accusers are no angels themselves, I will be delighted if we come down hard on our pricks and kick them out of football if they can't abide by basic standards of decency. Our standards, not somebody else's.2 -
Well that isn't true but I am not denying Italy has a problem. It is like when your son or daughter gets in trouble at school and says well he did it too. Or she was worse. As a good parent, that is the problem of the other parents but you demand better from your child. Well you do if you are a good parent.cafcfan1990 said:
Sorry Muttley, I can't agree with that, not when they are trying to take the moral high ground as Carter says. Yes, we shouldn't paper over the cracks and pretend nothing is wrong jut because other countries have been or are, worse. But Italians giving us stick for racism and violence is absolutely laughable. And the racism in Italy isn't just down to a few scumbags either, it's half the bloody population.MuttleyCAFC said:If you don't focus on washing your own underpants they will remain dirty. It is irrelevant how dirty others' are as we have no control over them. I think there is a national feeling that these self entitled pricks need tackling and whilst I can see that some of the accusers are no angels themselves, I will be delighted if we come down hard on our pricks and kick them out of football if they can't abide by basic standards of decency. Our standards, not somebody else's.
Have we got something to be angry about? If the answer is yes, we deal with that and not look to mitigate it by pointing at someone else. I am reminded of the attitude of football hooligans over the years. When they get punished they cry how unfair it all is. The injustice of it all.3 -
what isn't true?MuttleyCAFC said:
Well that isn't true but I am not denying Italy has a problem. It is like when your son or daughter gets in trouble at school and says well he did it too. Or she was worse. As a good parent, that is the problem of the other parents but you demand better from your child. Well you do if you are a good parent.cafcfan1990 said:
Sorry Muttley, I can't agree with that, not when they are trying to take the moral high ground as Carter says. Yes, we shouldn't paper over the cracks and pretend nothing is wrong jut because other countries have been or are, worse. But Italians giving us stick for racism and violence is absolutely laughable. And the racism in Italy isn't just down to a few scumbags either, it's half the bloody population.MuttleyCAFC said:If you don't focus on washing your own underpants they will remain dirty. It is irrelevant how dirty others' are as we have no control over them. I think there is a national feeling that these self entitled pricks need tackling and whilst I can see that some of the accusers are no angels themselves, I will be delighted if we come down hard on our pricks and kick them out of football if they can't abide by basic standards of decency. Our standards, not somebody else's.
Have we got something to be angry about? If the answer is yes, we deal with that and not look to mitigate it by pointing at someone else.0 - Sponsored links:
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Your generalisation that half of Italians are racist.0
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Not quite a generalisation - More than half of Italians in poll say racist acts are justifiable | Italy | The Guardian
I accept the pool for that survey was tiny, but there was also this - "As Italy lacks an action plan, the European Parliament passed a resolution last week to condemn all forms of racism, hate and violence. Around half of the Italian members of the European Parliament voted against it".
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Pretty grim story in tomorrow’s papers about Harry Maguires dad being injured by yobs in the stadium on Sunday.
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And there is an awful lot of ‘well at least we’re not as bad as them’ going on14
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Going back to my point about parenting, if we don't take responsibility for what we are responsible for, it is a reason why we have these pricks that shame us.2
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No there's not. Most people, including myself, have clearly highlighted that we don't condone any of it, regardless of whether other countries are worst. But it is a bit of a cheek to go overboard on the criticism of England when they are a disgrace, and have been for some time.Rothko said:And there is an awful lot of ‘well at least we’re not as bad as them’ going on2 -
There’s are posts on this page citing one poll as proof that Italy is still the Italy of Mussolini.Carter said:
Nope, there is a lot of not accepting a lecture on progressive attitudes from an Italian or French tabloid. Like taking a lesson in honesty from Boris JohnsonRothko said:And there is an awful lot of ‘well at least we’re not as bad as them’ going onAre there problems in those countries, yep, is England a country with a problem around race, and it’s related history, absolutely.0 -
I’m still seething that the safety of our national stadium was compromised & it now appears that this has been a regular occurrence for a number of years.
I was fortunate to witness the building of the new Wembley, be involved in the discussion about how best practice was used in policing fixtures.
When I visited before it opened I was delighted with it.
But it appears that things have changed hugely in the time I’ve moved on.
I totally believe that the centralisation of football intelligence has hindered policing operations.
The old adage you get what you pay for is so true.
Cuts have consequences.
I sincerely hope there is a full enquiry & that change happens.
Theres is no excuse for what happened on Sunday night, absolutely none.5 -
You’ve just done it again and I don’t think you’ve realisedcafcfan1990 said:
No there's not. Most people, including myself, have clearly highlighted that we don't condone any of it, regardless of whether other countries are worst. But it is a bit of a cheek to go overboard on the criticism of England when they are a disgrace, and have been for some time.Rothko said:And there is an awful lot of ‘well at least we’re not as bad as them’ going on0 - Sponsored links:
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News night just reported that following their analysis of 105 abusive messages to the three black players, only 5 of them could be sure of coming from the UK.
Nine accounts had been deleted and 32 were not definitive. The rest appeared to be from abroad.
Putin must be pissing himself.
Edit: just to be clear, I'm not saying that there isn't an issue that needs addressing.4 -
Do you think the shopping centre and other stuff around Wembley have made things worse? I can’t think of another stadium used in this tournament where you would have been allowed that close without a ticketKBslittlesis said:I’m still seething that the safety of our national stadium was compromised & it now appears that this has been a regular occurrence for a number of years.
I was fortunate to witness the building of the new Wembley, be involved in the discussion about how best practice was used in policing fixtures.
When I visited before it opened I was delighted with it.
But it appears that things have changed hugely in the time I’ve moved on.
I totally believe that the centralisation of football intelligence has hindered policing operations.
The old adage you get what you pay for is so true.
Cuts have consequences.
I sincerely hope there is a full enquiry & that change happens.
Theres is no excuse for what happened on Sunday night, absolutely none.0 -
It definitely doesn’t help.Rothko said:
Do you think the shopping centre and other stuff around Wembley have made things worse? I can’t think of another stadium used in this tournament where you would have been allowed that close without a ticketKBslittlesis said:I’m still seething that the safety of our national stadium was compromised & it now appears that this has been a regular occurrence for a number of years.
I was fortunate to witness the building of the new Wembley, be involved in the discussion about how best practice was used in policing fixtures.
When I visited before it opened I was delighted with it.
But it appears that things have changed hugely in the time I’ve moved on.
I totally believe that the centralisation of football intelligence has hindered policing operations.
The old adage you get what you pay for is so true.
Cuts have consequences.
I sincerely hope there is a full enquiry & that change happens.
Theres is no excuse for what happened on Sunday night, absolutely none.
But there will always be ways to deal with the hand you’re dealt.
Its not like the shops have appeared overnight, there have been plenty of full stadia events in the run up to this.
Take our play off final, full house & from what I could see very little issue.
But I’ve been alerted to the fact that previous events have had ticketless fans gain entry at ease. If that’s the case there’s no excuse for it still happening imho.
I was always from the school of lessons learned, never let it happen again.
So why has it?
Doesn’t sit right with me.4 -
No, you're just reading what you want to read. I'm allowed to criticise Italy without it meaning I'm content because "we're not as bad as them". I'm angry reading their criticism of us when they are worse yes, because I think they are in no position for any sort of morale high ground. Doesn't mean I'm justifying nor accepting England's problem.Rothko said:
You’ve just done it again and I don’t think you’ve realisedcafcfan1990 said:
No there's not. Most people, including myself, have clearly highlighted that we don't condone any of it, regardless of whether other countries are worst. But it is a bit of a cheek to go overboard on the criticism of England when they are a disgrace, and have been for some time.Rothko said:And there is an awful lot of ‘well at least we’re not as bad as them’ going on7 -
It’s been so sad reading about what happened surrounding the final and just shows how toxic some people can be.
On the flip side I was so happy with how my fellow Englishman and opposing Italians behaved in Shanghai, I went to the bar that had 1,800 people in in, probably 70% English, 30% Italian (with some Chinese supporting either side) and whilst there was loss of good natured banter there was never a hint of trouble. Anyone coming from the designated Italian area to the toilets had to walk through the massive crowd of mostly drunk English fans (3am kick off, you can imagine when many started drinking) and there was literally zero aggression shown at any point.9 -
What would have happened if there was trouble and the police arrived?Stu_of_Kunming said:It’s been so sad reading about what happened surrounding the final and just shows how toxic some people can be.
On the flip side I was so happy with how my fellow Englishman and opposing Italians behaved in Shanghai, I went to the bar that had 1,800 people in in, probably 70% English, 30% Italian (with some Chinese supporting either side) and whilst there was loss of good natured banter there was never a hint of trouble. Anyone coming from the designated Italian area to the toilets had to walk through the massive crowd of mostly drunk English fans (3am kick off, you can imagine when many started drinking) and there was literally zero aggression shown at any point.0 -
Rothko said:Pretty grim story in tomorrow’s papers about Harry Maguires dad being injured by yobs in the stadium on Sunday.
Albanian gangsters?
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https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jul/13/england-fan-who-stormed-euros-final-defends-his-actions
pablo needs a good hiding - parasite0 -
Back in the day there is no way this wouldn’t have been known before the event.palarsehater said:https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jul/13/england-fan-who-stormed-euros-final-defends-his-actions
pablo needs a good hiding - parasite
Someone would definitely had fessed up.
Can’t believe for one minute this intelligence wouldn’t have been known before.
Someone, somewhere just didn’t want to pay for policing this properly by the look of it.0 -
Thank goodness no one who wanted to do some serious damage piggybacked on this.
Imagine the chaos a terrorist running in with them and bypassing security could have caused.
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