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State of 'fans' during International tournaments
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If one good thing comes out of this it is that the ordeal of getting tickets to our next Wembley final will be significantly less stressful!3
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A lot of comments on here seem to be focussing on “we’re not as bad as Italy “ which really is an irrelevance for this thread, we need to just focus on our own problems.
As said, the real issue here is the security breach and the terrorist threat, how would the jibbers have felt if there was a Manchester scale disaster off the back of them cracking the place open? Doesn’t bare thinking about!11 -
Weren’t you the one who started the comparisons between Italy & England?!EugenesAxe said:A lot of comments on here seem to be focussing on “we’re not as bad as Italy “ which really is an irrelevance for this thread, we need to just focus on our own problems.
As said, the real issue here is the security breach and the terrorist threat, how would the jibbers have felt if there was a Manchester scale disaster off the back of them cracking the place open? Doesn’t bare thinking about!3 -
I was the one who started the conversation about parenting styles and drew parallels between my wife’s experience of parents attitudes to their children through her job and her own upbringing, which was in an Italian family yes.se9addick said:
Weren’t you the one who started the comparisons between Italy & England?!EugenesAxe said:A lot of comments on here seem to be focussing on “we’re not as bad as Italy “ which really is an irrelevance for this thread, we need to just focus on our own problems.
As said, the real issue here is the security breach and the terrorist threat, how would the jibbers have felt if there was a Manchester scale disaster off the back of them cracking the place open? Doesn’t bare thinking about!
I didn’t start the conversation about Italian hooliganism, or the level of racism in the country.
some mentioned Mussolini, my wife once showed me a photo her grandfather had taken of when old Benito was killed and strung up (he was among the villagers that did it).0 -
Hmm, this is what I’ve been thinking to be honest. Football fans have always been collateral damage and I wonder whether the police just gave this up. I mean there was more policy at palace away in 2015 than there was at Wembley on Sunday. If that’s the case and I doubt it will ever be proven, it’s another epic fail in the careers of Cressida Dick and Sadiq Khan.KBslittlesis said:
Back in the day there is no way this wouldn’t have been known before the event.palarsehater said:https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jul/13/england-fan-who-stormed-euros-final-defends-his-actions
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Someone would definitely had fessed up.
Can’t believe for one minute this intelligence wouldn’t have been known before.
Someone, somewhere just didn’t want to pay for policing this properly by the look of it.3 -
Nobody was focusing on us not being as bad as Italy a few of us called out the hypocrisy of Italian media taking a moral high ground against England.
I'm disgusted at the shitheads rushing gates and am glad a few of them got a slap or a full on kicking as much as I'm disgusted about any racial abuse being given to Marcus Rashford, Jadon Sancho or Bukayo Saka. The wrecking of Trafalgar Square is depressingly predictable and I'm not happy about that.
I'm also about context, I have genuinely seen nothing but support for those who had the stones to take a penalty but missed on my social media which I accept may be testament to my friendship groups and I had to go looking for the racial abuse which says to me the overwhelming majority are in support and I also saw the overwhelming majority completely condemning those idiots giving racial abuse.
Every time we play in Italy England fans are targeted by Italians a lot of them carrying blades, I can give examples as could lots of people who post on here of this happening not to mention the Italian police whacking anyone with an England top on.
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@Carter agree about the media hypocrisy but remember it is just journalists trying to make a story, same as the rags in this country do.
I think it does show England as a whole in a good light that you needed to really hunt for any abuse, those people are best left under their rocks, to paraphrase Boris!
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I was at the Germany and Denmark games, the atmosphere was wonderful before and after the games and I didn't see anything bad happening at all...except the booing of the national anthems- against Germany it really felt I was in a minority not doing it. It's just pathetic and embarrassing to this country.
I then saw on Social Media, of which apart from this forum I am a very lite user, that people had jibbed into the Denmark game and said to a few people that now that was on Social Media thousands would try it at the final. If I could see that, why on earth were the police not all over this? Absolute craziness as was the allowance of thousands of non ticketed people on Wembley Way- easily avoidable.
As for the racism afterwards there is no defending it, scum bags. I do think it is a minority and the positive response has been absolutely over whelming and hopefully actually made some of the cretins think twice.10 -
This would be a good outcome!Athletico Charlton said:hopefully actually made some of the cretins think twice.0 - Sponsored links:
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Anything from a stern telling off to 10 days inside and instant deportation.guinnessaddick said:
What would have happened if there was trouble and the police arrived?Stu_of_Kunming said:It’s been so sad reading about what happened surrounding the final and just shows how toxic some people can be.
On the flip side I was so happy with how my fellow Englishman and opposing Italians behaved in Shanghai, I went to the bar that had 1,800 people in in, probably 70% English, 30% Italian (with some Chinese supporting either side) and whilst there was loss of good natured banter there was never a hint of trouble. Anyone coming from the designated Italian area to the toilets had to walk through the massive crowd of mostly drunk English fans (3am kick off, you can imagine when many started drinking) and there was literally zero aggression shown at any point.0 -
......only from TOMY.cafcdave123 said:Rothko said:Pretty grim story in tomorrow’s papers about Harry Maguires dad being injured by yobs in the stadium on Sunday.
Albanian gangsters?0 -
I have read on the internet today, blokes boasting that they gave a steward £200 to get 5 of them in
and this was happening at previous games. Also being told where the empty seating was.
I would willingly paid the 95 Euros (£81) a ticket but knew I had no chance of getting a ticket for the final, so watched the game in comfort at home with the wife, so glad I did after seeing those drunken/drugged up
morons misbehaving. Vetting of stewards and much more policing needed in future!0 -
I couldn’t get to my seat that I had paid over 1,600 for cause of these Cnuts and the security of Wembley. It’s pissing me off more than the loss who thinks they have the right to do this and threaten and hurt people.12
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You must be confused. None of them sat in anyone's seat and they were all good little boys. Honest.Valleysarr said:I couldn’t get to my seat that I had paid over 1,600 for cause of these Cnuts and the security of Wembley. It’s pissing me off more than the loss who thinks they have the right to do this and threaten and hurt people.3 -
The best way to stop it is to track as many of them down as the authorities can and ban them from football. Seeing as a few are boasting about it, there seems a logical starting place.0
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I paid a similar amount for 2 tickets. Think we deserve a refundValleysarr said:I couldn’t get to my seat that I had paid over 1,600 for cause of these Cnuts and the security of Wembley. It’s pissing me off more than the loss who thinks they have the right to do this and threaten and hurt people.0 -
Yes meant 2 seats. Certainly need something back. Maguire Dad got hurt FFS. Won’t get a thing ..Ducktapeshoerepairs said:
I paid a similar amount for 2 tickets. Think we deserve a refundValleysarr said:I couldn’t get to my seat that I had paid over 1,600 for cause of these Cnuts and the security of Wembley. It’s pissing me off more than the loss who thinks they have the right to do this and threaten and hurt people.0 -
I think they need to teach citizenship, or something like it, in schools. And some version of media studies to help people sort disinformation and conspiracy theories from truth.se9addick said:
Seriously though, where else has the same shenanigans as you get in UK city centres at the weekend?SporadicAddick said:
You might need to travel a bit more....Croydon said:
No one is asking for it to be banned. You say people round the world do it, but what city centres have you been to abroad that need to be policed like ours every weekend? Only other places that come close, are the tourist destinations we ruin every summer.SporadicAddick said:EugenesAxe said:
Absolutely, so why isn’t something being done about it?Croydon said:Henry's post is bang on. This country has an unhealthy relationship with alcohol.
What are your thoughts on what should be done? Alcohol is a legal depressant. It is enjoyed responsibly by 99% of people that consume it. So it will never be prohibited. You could make it more expensive through taxation, but that would penalise the law abiding majority who enjoy it (and it has limited impact on those who its intended to affect, those with a dependency). You could educate about the impact of alcohol - that's pretty much an ongoing thing.
The reality is, in England and around the world, people get drunk and act stupidly. It was ever thus. The answer is ultimately in personal responsibility and a consideration of others unless you want o live in a police state or have a para military police force that goes in first and asks questions later.3 -
I don’t think it’s that small unfortunately. I worked on the France World Cup in ‘98, staying in camp sites with England fans and watching matches in pubs with fans who couldn’t get in. The atmosphere was pretty bloody horrible if I’m honest. And they weren’t playing to the TV cameras, as we weren’t there with TV cameras. It was obvious that there were people there who were far more interested in the drinking and the fighting than the football. These weren’t liberal/woke types, put it that way.cafcfan1990 said:
Not quite an accurate interpretation of the truth though is it. Before the game there were 30 odd million people tuning in supporting the players. After the game a few scumbags took their anger out on our black players. Of course it's not acceptable, it's absolutely disgusting but I'm sick of reading about how England fans are all violent scumbags. It's a very small minority who have unfortunately ruined it for the majority who are just genuinely gutted without feeling the need to attack anyone.SELR_addicks said:
Because it shows that before the game they were supporting the players.SantaClaus said:
Why is posting something like that fair game but if you made similar broad brush statements about any other group people would have a fit. I really don't get the double standards.Baldybonce said:
But then immediately following the game Rashford, Sterling, Sancho and Saka's Instagram and twitter were filled with monkey emoji, bananas and the n-word.
Do you really think the fans sending racial abuse to those players are black?Wembley Way was bit of a ‘mare on Sunday apparently, and nothing like when we played Sunderland, where it had a carnival atmosphere. It’s all too predictable and depressing.I doubt we’ll be hosting 2030 World Cup now unfortunately. .0 - Sponsored links:
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They already doJamesSeed said:
I think they need to teach citizenship, or something like it, in schools. And some version of media studies to help people sort disinformation and conspiracy theories from truth.se9addick said:
Seriously though, where else has the same shenanigans as you get in UK city centres at the weekend?SporadicAddick said:
You might need to travel a bit more....Croydon said:
No one is asking for it to be banned. You say people round the world do it, but what city centres have you been to abroad that need to be policed like ours every weekend? Only other places that come close, are the tourist destinations we ruin every summer.SporadicAddick said:EugenesAxe said:
Absolutely, so why isn’t something being done about it?Croydon said:Henry's post is bang on. This country has an unhealthy relationship with alcohol.
What are your thoughts on what should be done? Alcohol is a legal depressant. It is enjoyed responsibly by 99% of people that consume it. So it will never be prohibited. You could make it more expensive through taxation, but that would penalise the law abiding majority who enjoy it (and it has limited impact on those who its intended to affect, those with a dependency). You could educate about the impact of alcohol - that's pretty much an ongoing thing.
The reality is, in England and around the world, people get drunk and act stupidly. It was ever thus. The answer is ultimately in personal responsibility and a consideration of others unless you want o live in a police state or have a para military police force that goes in first and asks questions later.2 -
I dont think its just 'the state of fans at international tournaments'...its the state of people in general!
I don't know if its just me? Perhaps I'm over-egging it but it might just be my age but in general, there's a sense of lawlessness now. Dont get me wrong, when we were in our teens, early 20s none of us were angels but we treated others with respect, mostly. Now, literally anything goes. The nation has always had an unhealthy relationship with booze but the brazen public drugs use now is shocking. People just dont give a fuck.
When a social media 'influencer' with over 1m followers is openly admitting considering 'jibbing in' to Wembley and then filming himself actually getting in and sitting down, what message does that send? Imagine that happening during Euro 96? No chance.
You know, my daughter phoned me last night. She's only 15. She told me she's heartbroken over how our black players have been treated. So am I. My three bestest and closest friends are BAME. I've got a lot of other BAME mates from Uni, School and Spurs over the years and I've pretty much witnessed every single one of them abused for the colour of their skin or their race to their face over the years. I've seen my mate's wives abused to their face because of who they married. Like WTF. My mates have told me their kids have been abused in the street too. Seriously. I'm out for a beer with my two best mates next Friday in London and no doubt it will happen again. It always does. Someone, somewhere, will say something.
I'm living dangerously on the edge of still being a big kid at heart but sliding two-footed into middle age knowing I absolutely cant stand what has happened to this country in the last 20 years. There will never be a solution to it though. Society is beyond broken now. I just hope my three children can wade their way through the dregs as best they can.
Sorry to go off on a tangent slightly but I really do think we're at a major crossroads in society right now. Christ, I beginning to sound like my old man!
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I think it should be said that both Charlton and Sunderland fans were a credit to their clubs in May 2019.JamesSeed said:
I don’t think it’s that small unfortunately. I worked on the France World Cup in ‘98, staying in camp sites with England fans and watching matches in pubs with fans who couldn’t get in. The atmosphere was pretty bloody horrible if I’m honest. And they weren’t playing to the TV cameras, as we weren’t there with TV cameras. It was obvious that there were people there who were far more interested in the drinking and the fighting than the football. These weren’t liberal/woke types, put it that way.cafcfan1990 said:
Not quite an accurate interpretation of the truth though is it. Before the game there were 30 odd million people tuning in supporting the players. After the game a few scumbags took their anger out on our black players. Of course it's not acceptable, it's absolutely disgusting but I'm sick of reading about how England fans are all violent scumbags. It's a very small minority who have unfortunately ruined it for the majority who are just genuinely gutted without feeling the need to attack anyone.SELR_addicks said:
Because it shows that before the game they were supporting the players.SantaClaus said:
Why is posting something like that fair game but if you made similar broad brush statements about any other group people would have a fit. I really don't get the double standards.Baldybonce said:
But then immediately following the game Rashford, Sterling, Sancho and Saka's Instagram and twitter were filled with monkey emoji, bananas and the n-word.
Do you really think the fans sending racial abuse to those players are black?Wembley Way was bit of a ‘mare on Sunday apparently, and nothing like when we played Sunderland, where it had a carnival atmosphere. It’s all too predictable and depressing.I doubt we’ll be hosting 2030 World Cup now unfortunately. .2 -
I mentioned this a couple of days ago and someone actually lol'd my post.Huskaris said:Thank goodness no one who wanted to do some serious damage piggybacked on this.
Imagine the chaos a terrorist running in with them and bypassing security could have caused.
I have only been to New Wembley twice, for the Olympics Men's final in 2012 and of course our play off final, but on both occasions I thought the security to be very good and the searches pretty good. On both occasions we got there early so I suppose the checks are more thorough than they are near to kick off.
I hope that the terrorist aspect is taken more seriously, as now it has been made public that security is often poor, it would be a great coup for a terrorist to set off a bomb in the national stadium.
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I know I’ve been humoured before for saying this but since I stopped drinking 3 years ago (for the sake of my own mental health) I find it very very hard sometimes to watch the rest of society sliding towards the abyss, at least that’s how it feels as being sober there really doesn’t feel like there’s anywhere to hide.
As you say @JohnBoyUK I feel the same, I only hope my two daughters can wade through it as best they can…0 -
The Met police having a laugh
Deputy assistant commissioner doesn't accept policing operation failed for the Euro final.0 -
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Since the advent of social media young people have been encouraged to become more self obsessed and that somehow they are a brand. We have people making a fortune through inane reality shows and influencers who don't have an ounce of sense between them.JohnBoyUK said:I dont think its just 'the state of fans at international tournaments'...its the state of people in general!
I don't know if its just me? Perhaps I'm over-egging it but it might just be my age but in general, there's a sense of lawlessness now. Dont get me wrong, when we were in our teens, early 20s none of us were angels but we treated others with respect, mostly. Now, literally anything goes. The nation has always had an unhealthy relationship with booze but the brazen public drugs use now is shocking. People just dont give a fuck.
When a social media 'influencer' with over 1m followers is openly admitting considering 'jibbing in' to Wembley and then filming himself actually getting in and sitting down, what message does that send? Imagine that happening during Euro 96? No chance.
You know, my daughter phoned me last night. She's only 15. She told me she's heartbroken over how our black players have been treated. So am I. My three bestest and closest friends are BAME. I've got a lot of other BAME mates from Uni, School and Spurs over the years and I've pretty much witnessed every single one of them abused for the colour of their skin or their race to their face over the years. I've seen my mate's wives abused to their face because of who they married. Like WTF. My mates have told me their kids have been abused in the street too. Seriously. I'm out for a beer with my two best mates next Friday in London and no doubt it will happen again. It always does. Someone, somewhere, will say something.
I'm living dangerously on the edge of still being a big kid at heart but sliding two-footed into middle age knowing I absolutely cant stand what has happened to this country in the last 20 years. There will never be a solution to it though. Society is beyond broken now. I just hope my three children can wade their way through the dregs as best they can.
Sorry to go off on a tangent slightly but I really do think we're at a major crossroads in society right now. Christ, I beginning to sound like my old man!
It does seem so many know their rights but give f*** all respect to the rights of others. We seem to encourage selfishness.
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Beckham got slaughtered every where he played outside of Old Trafford.He took it with dignity,and just got on with his game,no doubt with the support of his manager ,who would no doubt have found the right way to deal with the situation.As a result,Beckham became one of Englands finest ambassadors on and off the pitch,and we now only remember him for his contribution to the game.I hope the 3 lads who missed their penalties dont get abuse ,but I fear the moronic element among us will make themselves heard.SouthWest_Addicks said:I am too young to remember any of this, but how did the wider public see the treatment of David Beckham in 1998. I obviously remember the burning effegies, but did not know about the photo of him on a dart board. Did the wider public see as wrong, or was it just one of those things at that time.
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Brilliant 😩SELR_addicks said:0
