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State of 'fans' during International tournaments
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Thanks mate.SomervilleAddick said:
They are still considered private property, even though they are owned by the town.stop_shouting said:
Ok fair enough. What about municipal golf courses tho. I’ve played and drunk at muni’s.SomervilleAddick said:
Nope, you don’t get those - golf courses are private property, tailgating also takes place in private areas. I’m only aware of two places where you can drink in a public area - LV and the French Quarter in New Orleans. There may be others, and sometimes the Police don’t enforce it. We have a local music festival here where the police ignore people drinking from cans, but if they need to arrest you for something else, you’ll be charged with public drinking as well.stop_shouting said:
Or on golf courses, tailgates etcse9addick said:
Not on the Las Vegas strip!ct_addick said:In the USA it's illegal to drink in public...... out in the open while walking around streets and really only allowed in pubs restaurants and bars....That might be something to consider....and yes I know the USA has ridiculous gun lawsSomeone else mentioned overserving. Bars here are really careful about that as they, as a business, and the bartender asan individual, can be held legally responsible if a drunk is involved in an accident. I see people getting refused service all the time.Stop the drinking in public areas would be a start. If people have to drink in pubs you can get two mitigating factors - price, and making pubs responsible for their customers conduct.Generally, and there can always be a local exemption, any public street, common, forest or beach is off limits unless it’s private property, in which case it’s up to the owner.0 -
We do have (what from my observations is) a uniquely British trait of taking the actions of a few utter cretins and extrapolating it to being the whole population.SteveKielyCambridge said:Rothko said:With the greatest of respect, that is simply not supported by significant evidence and we should not allow a small number of morons and racists on social media to fool us into believing it.I suppose whether these racists are 'true fans' or not is a point of definition - but wanting to ostracise them by saying they should not be allowed to use that term about themselves is certainly not a way to excuse racism, it is the opposite. We should ostracise them because they are below our contempt to use the term 'true fans' about themselves.And it is hard to think of a reasonable definition of the term "great swathes" of our society that these morons represent. After years and years of so many people working to create a fairer society, the figures just do not bear that out.9 -
Has anyone actually said that?Rothko said:
I'm not massively surprised an Algerian receives racist abuse from others in North Africa and the Middle East, nor am I massively surprised by people thinking that what has flown since 10:54 on Sunday is all the works of troll farms.AFKABartram said:
@Stig you'd be very surprised using as an example the amount of racist abuse one of our U23 was sun Aouachia receives from Middle Eastern / Notth Africa accountsStig said:BTW, I'm not denying that there is racism in other countries @ValleyGary or that people from other countries have an interest in English football. I am questioning the efficacy of the stats presented here and the motivations of their originators.7 -
Just a bit weird this conspiracy theory.ValleyGary said:
Which is exactly what Croydon said.SELR_addicks said:
How can you tell where the posts came from?Croydon said:Seen this doing the rounds on twitter and Instagram today, and it certainly backs up what people said earlier on this thread about international accounts being abusive on twitter. I've got no idea where the data is from though, or if it's reliable. Also doesn't take into count people using VPNs
Vpns are a thing. Fake accounts pretending to be some guy halfway across the world/anonymous accounts are also a thing.
'It's not us, it's some foreigner tweeting racist stuff to our players for missing a penalty.' - how does that even make sense?
I suppose the English fans breaking into the stadium as well as defacing Rashford's mural were actually Russian sleeper agents.2 -
https://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/comment/4374917/#Comment_4374917Stig said:
Has anyone actually said that?Rothko said:
I'm not massively surprised an Algerian receives racist abuse from others in North Africa and the Middle East, nor am I massively surprised by people thinking that what has flown since 10:54 on Sunday is all the works of troll farms.AFKABartram said:
@Stig you'd be very surprised using as an example the amount of racist abuse one of our U23 was sun Aouachia receives from Middle Eastern / Notth Africa accountsStig said:BTW, I'm not denying that there is racism in other countries @ValleyGary or that people from other countries have an interest in English football. I am questioning the efficacy of the stats presented here and the motivations of their originators.
Must have completely misread this then
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Pengland, with their rich history of winning at penalties...2
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The word he used was "sizeable," the word you were suggesting he used was "all"Rothko said:
https://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/comment/4374917/#Comment_4374917Stig said:
Has anyone actually said that?Rothko said:
I'm not massively surprised an Algerian receives racist abuse from others in North Africa and the Middle East, nor am I massively surprised by people thinking that what has flown since 10:54 on Sunday is all the works of troll farms.AFKABartram said:
@Stig you'd be very surprised using as an example the amount of racist abuse one of our U23 was sun Aouachia receives from Middle Eastern / Notth Africa accountsStig said:BTW, I'm not denying that there is racism in other countries @ValleyGary or that people from other countries have an interest in English football. I am questioning the efficacy of the stats presented here and the motivations of their originators.
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Sizeable then, if that makes people feel more comfortable with the problem that the majority/sizeable amount is from troll farms, or people have their NordVPN setting set to India, then cool.Huskaris said:
The word he used was "sizeable," the word you were suggesting he used was "all"Rothko said:
https://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/comment/4374917/#Comment_4374917Stig said:
Has anyone actually said that?Rothko said:
I'm not massively surprised an Algerian receives racist abuse from others in North Africa and the Middle East, nor am I massively surprised by people thinking that what has flown since 10:54 on Sunday is all the works of troll farms.AFKABartram said:
@Stig you'd be very surprised using as an example the amount of racist abuse one of our U23 was sun Aouachia receives from Middle Eastern / Notth Africa accountsStig said:BTW, I'm not denying that there is racism in other countries @ValleyGary or that people from other countries have an interest in English football. I am questioning the efficacy of the stats presented here and the motivations of their originators.
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Fair dos, missed that one.Rothko said:
https://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/comment/4374917/#Comment_4374917Stig said:
Has anyone actually said that?Rothko said:
I'm not massively surprised an Algerian receives racist abuse from others in North Africa and the Middle East, nor am I massively surprised by people thinking that what has flown since 10:54 on Sunday is all the works of troll farms.AFKABartram said:
@Stig you'd be very surprised using as an example the amount of racist abuse one of our U23 was sun Aouachia receives from Middle Eastern / Notth Africa accountsStig said:BTW, I'm not denying that there is racism in other countries @ValleyGary or that people from other countries have an interest in English football. I am questioning the efficacy of the stats presented here and the motivations of their originators.
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There are some peculiar people on twitter mind. I got into a bit of a row yesterday with two Americans who were congratulating Italy on beating the most racist country in the world. A quick flick through one of their bio's and last year they were disputing that America has a racism problem. I was almost lost for words.SELR_addicks said:
Just a bit weird this conspiracy theory.ValleyGary said:
Which is exactly what Croydon said.SELR_addicks said:
How can you tell where the posts came from?Croydon said:Seen this doing the rounds on twitter and Instagram today, and it certainly backs up what people said earlier on this thread about international accounts being abusive on twitter. I've got no idea where the data is from though, or if it's reliable. Also doesn't take into count people using VPNs
Vpns are a thing. Fake accounts pretending to be some guy halfway across the world/anonymous accounts are also a thing.
'It's not us, it's some foreigner tweeting racist stuff to our players for missing a penalty.' - how does that even make sense?
I suppose the English fans breaking into the stadium as well as deface Rashford's mural were actually Russian sleeper agents.4 - Sponsored links:
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I had an argument with someone from Singapore on Instagram who thought Rashford deserved the abuse because like Messi and Ronaldo he should do well under pressure and not be so arrogant.cafcfan1990 said:
There are some peculiar people on twitter mind. I got into a bit of a row yesterday with two Americans who were congratulating Italy on beating the most racist country in the world. A quick flick through one of their bio's and last year they were disputing that America has a racism problem. I was almost lost for words.SELR_addicks said:
Just a bit weird this conspiracy theory.ValleyGary said:
Which is exactly what Croydon said.SELR_addicks said:
How can you tell where the posts came from?Croydon said:Seen this doing the rounds on twitter and Instagram today, and it certainly backs up what people said earlier on this thread about international accounts being abusive on twitter. I've got no idea where the data is from though, or if it's reliable. Also doesn't take into count people using VPNs
Vpns are a thing. Fake accounts pretending to be some guy halfway across the world/anonymous accounts are also a thing.
'It's not us, it's some foreigner tweeting racist stuff to our players for missing a penalty.' - how does that even make sense?
I suppose the English fans breaking into the stadium as well as deface Rashford's mural were actually Russian sleeper agents.
It's baffling beyond words.3 -
I've not read the comments on this, but to answer your particular one, Southgate himself told us that the majority of racist comments came from abroad. I think that means 'sizable' is a fair word to use.Rothko said:
Sizeable then, if that makes people feel more comfortable with the problem that the majority/sizeable amount is from troll farms, or people have their NordVPN setting set to India, then cool.Huskaris said:
The word he used was "sizeable," the word you were suggesting he used was "all"Rothko said:
https://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/comment/4374917/#Comment_4374917Stig said:
Has anyone actually said that?Rothko said:
I'm not massively surprised an Algerian receives racist abuse from others in North Africa and the Middle East, nor am I massively surprised by people thinking that what has flown since 10:54 on Sunday is all the works of troll farms.AFKABartram said:
@Stig you'd be very surprised using as an example the amount of racist abuse one of our U23 was sun Aouachia receives from Middle Eastern / Notth Africa accountsStig said:BTW, I'm not denying that there is racism in other countries @ValleyGary or that people from other countries have an interest in English football. I am questioning the efficacy of the stats presented here and the motivations of their originators.
Must have completely misread this then
Where ever the messages eminated, I would say its fair to call all of those making them 'scum' and the platforms they use should ban them forever and never offer the cloak of anonymity to any user.
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Notice a fan who has been suspended by his Employer: Savills (the Estate Agent) is claiming that his twitter account was hacked after posting and then deleting a racist message after the game.0
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It isn’t a ‘conspiracy theory’. As you can see from people’s experiences, and my own, that Twitter is awash with immature abusive people from all over the world, and football brings out the worst in most of them. I and many others have also said that England has a problem with racism and it needs to address it. I’m also not sure what’s racist about breaking into a stadium or writing ‘shite’ on a wall.SELR_addicks said:
Just a bit weird this conspiracy theory.ValleyGary said:
Which is exactly what Croydon said.SELR_addicks said:
How can you tell where the posts came from?Croydon said:Seen this doing the rounds on twitter and Instagram today, and it certainly backs up what people said earlier on this thread about international accounts being abusive on twitter. I've got no idea where the data is from though, or if it's reliable. Also doesn't take into count people using VPNs
Vpns are a thing. Fake accounts pretending to be some guy halfway across the world/anonymous accounts are also a thing.
'It's not us, it's some foreigner tweeting racist stuff to our players for missing a penalty.' - how does that even make sense?
I suppose the English fans breaking into the stadium as well as defacing Rashford's mural were actually Russian sleeper agents.12 -
Southgate is in on the conspiracy theory obviously….TellyTubby said:
I've not read the comments on this, but to answer your particular one, Southgate himself told us that the majority of racist comments came from abroad. I think that means 'sizable' is a fair word to use.Rothko said:
Sizeable then, if that makes people feel more comfortable with the problem that the majority/sizeable amount is from troll farms, or people have their NordVPN setting set to India, then cool.Huskaris said:
The word he used was "sizeable," the word you were suggesting he used was "all"Rothko said:
https://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/comment/4374917/#Comment_4374917Stig said:
Has anyone actually said that?Rothko said:
I'm not massively surprised an Algerian receives racist abuse from others in North Africa and the Middle East, nor am I massively surprised by people thinking that what has flown since 10:54 on Sunday is all the works of troll farms.AFKABartram said:
@Stig you'd be very surprised using as an example the amount of racist abuse one of our U23 was sun Aouachia receives from Middle Eastern / Notth Africa accountsStig said:BTW, I'm not denying that there is racism in other countries @ValleyGary or that people from other countries have an interest in English football. I am questioning the efficacy of the stats presented here and the motivations of their originators.
Must have completely misread this then
Where ever the messages eminated, I would say its fair to call all of those making them 'scum' and the platforms they use should ban them forever and never offer the cloak of anonymity to any user.1 -
It seems he had two accounts, one under a different name, probably posted from the wrong account after a few beers.ForeverAddickted said:Notice a fan who has been suspended by his Employer: Savills (the Estate Agent) is claiming that his twitter account was hacked after posting and then deleting a racist message after the game.3 -
This is all alien to me. And may long it remain so. You all know - including the Meeja, and the TV that none of this is real. its just fat people in their pants eating a pot noodle tapping bits of plastic. I jacked in Facebook (the only social media i had) a year ago and life is so much better when you aren't checking your phone for shit that doesn't matter in your life.1
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He's still going to get the sackguinnessaddick said:
It seems he had two accounts, one under a different name, probably posted from the wrong account after a few beers.ForeverAddickted said:Notice a fan who has been suspended by his Employer: Savills (the Estate Agent) is claiming that his twitter account was hacked after posting and then deleting a racist message after the game.6 -
Uefa opening investigation now and fa been charged with 4 offences - all it will result in is behind closed door games and reduced crowds - real fans get punished as per1
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England usually just end up with a bunch of fines.palarsehater said:Uefa opening investigation now and fa been charged with 4 offences - all it will result in is behind closed door games and reduced crowds - real fans get punished as per
Didnt we get charged with three offences against Denmark and only got fined €30k0 - Sponsored links:
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This is exactly it for me.Greenhithe said:This is all alien to me. And may long it remain so. You all know - including the Meeja, and the TV that none of this is real. its just fat people in their pants eating a pot noodle tapping bits of plastic. I jacked in Facebook (the only social media i had) a year ago and life is so much better when you aren't checking your phone for shit that doesn't matter in your life.
People always go on about how we need "education" but that is just bollocks.
There will always be an undercurrent of people who will just say the most hate-filled things that they can to hurt people who are more successful than them, because they are filled with hate specifically because their lives are worth next to nothing, and they are filled with resentment and inadequacies.
If a white player had missed, and their mum had cancer, they would have gone after that. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that there are not loads of racist people (so please don't strawman me :-) ), but there are many incredibly horrible people who will pick out anything they can.
A petition someone shared with me was to make everyone on social media have a verified account, and the creator of it was Katie Price, and it has nearly 630,000 signatures, and she created it because of her son Harvey:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/575833
The vast majority of abuse that he receives is related to his disability.
Do people target him BECAUSE he is disabled? I very much doubt it. Do people use the fact he is disabled as a way to inflict maximum damage? Definitely.
This doesn't mean that something shouldn't be done (again, no need to strawman), but what it does mean is that this is not something that will change with education, and a reduction in racism in society. It means that we need to ensure that there are no places for these complete wronguns to hide, and for me, a compulsory registration on social media (with caveats!) is the only real way forward.
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It's ok, I know a couple of people that can get us in.palarsehater said:Uefa opening investigation now and fa been charged with 4 offences - all it will result in is behind closed door games and reduced crowds - real fans get punished as per12 -
Absolutely no excuse for the behaviour of the hundreds of neanderthals on Sunday... but BBC are reporting that the increased capacity at the Semis and Final were as a result of UEFA pressure on the FA.
It seems the FA was put under considerable pressure by UEFA to ramp up attendance from 20k to 60k over the course of two weeks and faced the possibility of having the final moved elsewhere. It now appears Wembley and London - with England still in partial lockdown - wasn’t ready.
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I doubt the UEFA put the pressure on themselves, I would suspect there was pressure on from government when the threat of Budapest was floatedRufus is a dogs name said:Absolutely no excuse for the behaviour of the hundreds of neanderthals on Sunday... but BBC are reporting that the increased capacity at the Semis and Final were as a result of UEFA pressure on the FA.
It seems the FA was put under considerable pressure by UEFA to ramp up attendance from 20k to 60k over the course of two weeks and faced the possibility of having the final moved elsewhere. It now appears Wembley and London - with England still in partial lockdown - wasn’t ready.
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Same for me although it’s been about eighteen months. I haven’t deactivated my account but only use it now to send birthday messages to people I don’t see in person. The amount of time I wasted on there was incredible and I feel so much better for absenting myself from it.Greenhithe said:This is all alien to me. And may long it remain so. You all know - including the Meeja, and the TV that none of this is real. its just fat people in their pants eating a pot noodle tapping bits of plastic. I jacked in Facebook (the only social media i had) a year ago and life is so much better when you aren't checking your phone for shit that doesn't matter in your life.1 -
Not a nephew - I have changed my stance 24hrs on, bearing in mind the reasonable reasons posted why it was wrong. He should not have done it, I should not have been delighted.AFKABartram said:I wish on people a lifetime of diarrhoea when I’m queuing for 20 mins with other like minded people to leave a junction when other selfish people think it’s their right to drive up the middle lane to the very last moment and then cut in. Why should they queue like everyone else?
I’ll say one thing @sunbury-addick in 9 years time my kids will also be 19. The actions of your nephew and thousands of others have stone dead killed what was a very real chance of us getting the 2030 World Cup.
Imagine how great that would have been?33 -
Wow, big respect to you for that.sunbury-addick said:
Not a nephew - I have changed my stance 24hrs on, bearing in mind the reasonable reasons posted why it was wrong. He should not have done it, I should not have been delighted.AFKABartram said:I wish on people a lifetime of diarrhoea when I’m queuing for 20 mins with other like minded people to leave a junction when other selfish people think it’s their right to drive up the middle lane to the very last moment and then cut in. Why should they queue like everyone else?
I’ll say one thing @sunbury-addick in 9 years time my kids will also be 19. The actions of your nephew and thousands of others have stone dead killed what was a very real chance of us getting the 2030 World Cup.
Imagine how great that would have been?2 -
As other posters have said, it is embarrassing end of.
I'm just pleased the majority find it embarrassing and are saying so. This has not always been the case so we are progressing in the right the direction.
No idea what the answer is a country but regarding Wembley it seems common knowledge that security and event management is weak- that is very concerning and needs addressing ASAP1 -
Kudos for that.sunbury-addick said:
Not a nephew - I have changed my stance 24hrs on, bearing in mind the reasonable reasons posted why it was wrong. He should not have done it, I should not have been delighted.AFKABartram said:I wish on people a lifetime of diarrhoea when I’m queuing for 20 mins with other like minded people to leave a junction when other selfish people think it’s their right to drive up the middle lane to the very last moment and then cut in. Why should they queue like everyone else?
I’ll say one thing @sunbury-addick in 9 years time my kids will also be 19. The actions of your nephew and thousands of others have stone dead killed what was a very real chance of us getting the 2030 World Cup.
Imagine how great that would have been?0 -
fair play mate!sunbury-addick said:
Not a nephew - I have changed my stance 24hrs on, bearing in mind the reasonable reasons posted why it was wrong. He should not have done it, I should not have been delighted.AFKABartram said:I wish on people a lifetime of diarrhoea when I’m queuing for 20 mins with other like minded people to leave a junction when other selfish people think it’s their right to drive up the middle lane to the very last moment and then cut in. Why should they queue like everyone else?
I’ll say one thing @sunbury-addick in 9 years time my kids will also be 19. The actions of your nephew and thousands of others have stone dead killed what was a very real chance of us getting the 2030 World Cup.
Imagine how great that would have been?3
