It is tempting to suggest that not only do we have a lower budget than we need to be competitive in this division but also the whole Sandgaard Roddy Gallen Adkins recruitment committee is just dysfunctional There are too many cooks - it is likely that with just Bowyer and Gallen it was more decisive.
The amount of posts/tweets I have seen saying Sandgaard/Adkins out is just ridiculous.
A man with no former association to Charlton has saved us from extinction and gone on to spend the most on transfer fees in the division and still it isn't enough because we aren't shelling out over 10K per week for a league one player.
We really do risk coming across as an entitled dummy spitting group if we start trying to push TS out after a bad start to the season (4 games into the league season btw).
We had huge support from the footballing world when protesting against awful owners, however we risk looking like united/arsenal fans when screaming we want people out just because we have lost a few games.
As a word of warning @Cover@Covered_End_Lad I used the term "entitlement" yesterday on Twitter in reference to a section of fans and have been mauled for it. It seems this term is gripping people's shit!
Apparently I am trying to force people to act in a certain way when referencing "entitlement" and, as a sponsor, should know better.
In reality I think we all agree it hasn't been pretty thus far and hasn't been good enough - but I also believe, rightly or wrongly, it will get better.
as I've said many times "It's never been easy being a Charlton fan - but we all still do it don't we
To be fair I can see you meant no harm but honestly read the room a bit better.
To put a comment out telling clearly frustrated & angry fans to calm down and stop being entitled was a dumb thing to do… especially given your a club sponsor and would been seen to be having ‘your feet under the table’ or defending your mates.
entitled is an emotional word so I’m afraid I’m not surprised you took a battering. It didn’t read well.
We live and we learn 👍🏼
I think he was spot on. Some of our fans are acting like entitled pricks.
Entitled pricks is a load of bollocks. We should not be a 3rd division club. The club can't afford to be in division 3. Our support and following is too big for division 3. We are now in trouble of falling to division 4 with the squad we have that's the truth.
What makes no sense is Sangaard will lose 10m+? Per year by not attempting to get out of the division. None of this recruitment strategy makes any sense to me. Why did we not go in for Parott on loan among others that would have been cheap.
The people starting to call for Sandgaards head and other such nonsense are who I am referring to and that is not a load of bollocks.
If we're not going to spend a lot on actual transfer fees, we have to be competitive with wages when pursuing free agents.
From what we have seen so far, we're not spending much money on either front. The last place to spend money to be competitive is therefore on loan fees and wage % of loanees. Are we pinning our hopes on that? Or did we miss out on a couple of targets early on and are now scrambling about trying to find other targets?
I mentioned a few weeks ago leaving it late is a dangerous game, we speak of Adkins/Bowyer beforehand asking Gallen for, for example, a left footed right winger who is quick and tricky. He makes a list of suitable players and takes it back to the manager, who then lists them in priority, and Gallen then pursues each target until we sign someone. However, other teams have similar lists and might have a different priority order, and by the time we've courted and been turned down by number 1 and 2 on the list, Ipswich, Wigan, Portsmouth and the rest have signed 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 on the list and you're left with signing Corey Blackett-Taylor on a free.
I’m fine with the “Europe in 5 years” line, they all come in and say long term they plan on taking over the world.
This is the bit that pissed me off a bit:
He clearly thought League One would be easy, maybe he thought it would be as poor as the 3rd division in other countries.
I remember when he first took over and did an interview with TalkSport when Lee Bowyer was in the studio. That was when he first said “we’ll blow right through League One”, to which Lee Bowyer laughed and quipped “no pressure”.
I think he’s been humbled and reigned in the grandiose statements. We’re very lucky to have TS and we can’t keep hitting him with old quotes designed to invoke confidence in a disenfranchised fan base.
It basically looks like the club and team are this season treading water. Perhaps with a new owner needing to sort out ten years of mis management and put into place the building blocks of success going forward we shouldn’t be either too surprised or disappointed. I just wish that realism had been transmitted to the fans. I think to a man (and woman) this would have been embraced and supported. Instead we’re seeing to consequences of the nonsense. Massive own goal. I’m convinced we’ll be ok but it’s the long haul not the express route we were sold.
“Treading water” in L1 = additional enormous financial losses and a loss of faith in the credibility of both owner and manager.
I don’t really see how we can stay in L1 and it be seen as anything other than a failure.
OMG, just went to that other forum for the first time in years to see what they were saying. There are a few sane souls losing their will to live on there, but otherwise, it’s bonkers. Talk of protests etc FFS
I suggest some out there do some simple Google researching re TS’ net worth and take a sanity check. Even if it is double what is publicised, which I doubt, what gives any of us the right to demand that he throws more of his personal wealth (not somebody’s pension scheme etc) into a project he has engaged in? He has publicly said that we will be spending a bit more than last year. Unless the signings thus far have exhausted the vast majority of last year’s budget (transfers/wages/fees), then I would hope to see a final flourish before the window closes or a bit more now, with some held back for January to help bolster where any major holes appear.
I am sure he is as frustrated that we have not got more quality business done by now or points on the board, but for all we know could be being strongly advised by the UK football experienced Gallen and Roddy to wait to very close to the end of the window to pick up some ‘gems’ on more advantageous terms to the club. If that speculation has any merit, it may prove a poor decision/strategy, time will tell, but threats of protesting/hounding out is just crazy. A section of our fan base appear so used to having to fight the wrongs of the past, that they are unable to rationalise what good may yet come from a proper well meaning businessman and football fan, even if a bit overly enthusiastic at times.
Sorry but holding out til January is a non starter. Wait for any major holes to appear?! As if the gaping hole at left back isn't bad enough, shall we wait for MacGillivray to make a mad dash out his box one too many times, clatter into an opponent and be out for 3 months, leaving us with Harness and another spotty youth as the only keepers at the club? There are major holes now, major holes that haven't been filled since May, but we might hold out til January? Righty ho
The amount of posts/tweets I have seen saying Sandgaard/Adkins out is just ridiculous.
A man with no former association to Charlton has saved us from extinction and gone on to spend the most on transfer fees in the division and still it isn't enough because we aren't shelling out over 10K per week for a league one player.
We really do risk coming across as an entitled dummy spitting group if we start trying to push TS out after a bad start to the season (4 games into the league season btw).
We had huge support from the footballing world when protesting against awful owners, however we risk looking like united/arsenal fans when screaming we want people out just because we have lost a few games.
As a word of warning @Cover@Covered_End_Lad I used the term "entitlement" yesterday on Twitter in reference to a section of fans and have been mauled for it. It seems this term is gripping people's shit!
Apparently I am trying to force people to act in a certain way when referencing "entitlement" and, as a sponsor, should know better.
In reality I think we all agree it hasn't been pretty thus far and hasn't been good enough - but I also believe, rightly or wrongly, it will get better.
as I've said many times "It's never been easy being a Charlton fan - but we all still do it don't we
To be fair I can see you meant no harm but honestly read the room a bit better.
To put a comment out telling clearly frustrated & angry fans to calm down and stop being entitled was a dumb thing to do… especially given your a club sponsor and would been seen to be having ‘your feet under the table’ or defending your mates.
entitled is an emotional word so I’m afraid I’m not surprised you took a battering. It didn’t read well.
We live and we learn 👍🏼
I think he was spot on. Some of our fans are acting like entitled pricks.
Entitled pricks is a load of bollocks. We should not be a 3rd division club. The club can't afford to be in division 3. Our support and following is too big for division 3. We are now in trouble of falling to division 4 with the squad we have that's the truth.
What makes no sense is Sangaard will lose 10m+? Per year by not attempting to get out of the division. None of this recruitment strategy makes any sense to me. Why did we not go in for Parott on loan among others that would have been cheap.
The people starting to call for Sandgaards head and other such nonsense are who I am referring to and that is not a load of bollocks.
Yeah don't agree with that at all. Who would even take us over. We have no right to do that. I do wonder if he has money problems. This squad is worse than any Roland left us with so something is clearly not right.
It basically looks like the club and team are this season treading water. Perhaps with a new owner needing to sort out ten years of mis management and put into place the building blocks of success going forward we shouldn’t be either too surprised or disappointed. I just wish that realism had been transmitted to the fans. I think to a man (and woman) this would have been embraced and supported. Instead we’re seeing to consequences of the nonsense. Massive own goal. I’m convinced we’ll be ok but it’s the long haul not the express route we were sold.
“Treading water” in L1 = additional enormous financial losses and a loss of faith in the credibility of both owner and manager.
I don’t really see how we can stay in L1 and it be seen as anything other than a failure.
This is much more elegantly put than I did and is spot on.
If we're not going to spend a lot on actual transfer fees, we have to be competitive with wages when pursuing free agents.
From what we have seen so far, we're not spending much money on either front. The last place to spend money to be competitive is therefore on loan fees and wage % of loanees. Are we pinning our hopes on that? Or did we miss out on a couple of targets early on and are now scrambling about trying to find other targets?
I mentioned a few weeks ago leaving it late is a dangerous game, we speak of Adkins/Bowyer beforehand asking Gallen for, for example, a left footed right winger who is quick and tricky. He makes a list of suitable players and takes it back to the manager, who then lists them in priority, and Gallen then pursues each target until we sign someone. However, other teams have similar lists and might have a different priority order, and by the time we've courted and been turned down by number 1 and 2 on the list, Ipswich, Wigan, Portsmouth and the rest have signed 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 on the list and you're left with signing Corey Blackett-Taylor on a free.
Great Post all I would add is that Corey Blackett Taylor should never of been on our list at all.
Weird how the chat about players arriving on the last day, must be taken as gospel.... but everything else requires a large pinch of salt.
No, it shouldn't be taken as gospel on either count.
WIOTOS actually means " I'll believe it when it's on the official site" IE when it's actually happened then believe it, not before. Until it's actually happened, it ain't happened.
Because of that I never thought anything TS or NA said was a "promise" so am not whinging on about being lied to.
As I said many months ago it's better IMHO to under promise and over deliver but that's not Sandgaard's style. At least it wasn't. His recent statements have been a lot more reserved and qualified. Either because he's realised everything he now says will be taken as a "promise" or because he's realised it's not as easy as he hoped/expected.
Or more likely a bit of both.
No offence, but its not whinging when your owner says we will piss the league and then apparently is offering players 3k a week.
We've not even assembled a competitive squad yet and they are planning next seasons £2400 a year VIP scheme.
That said, I certainly wont be sending him shitty msgs or wanting him out. Long term, its probably best that this has happened.. as like you say expectations may be managed or reeled in slightly in the future.
Whinge about the signings or lack of as much as you like, I'm not very impressed by the quantity so far either.
It basically looks like the club and team are this season treading water. Perhaps with a new owner needing to sort out ten years of mis management and put into place the building blocks of success going forward we shouldn’t be either too surprised or disappointed. I just wish that realism had been transmitted to the fans. I think to a man (and woman) this would have been embraced and supported. Instead we’re seeing to consequences of the nonsense. Massive own goal. I’m convinced we’ll be ok but it’s the long haul not the express route we were sold.
“Treading water” in L1 = additional enormous financial losses and a loss of faith in the credibility of both owner and manager.
I don’t really see how we can stay in L1 and it be seen as anything other than a failure.
I think it will absolutely be seen as a failure by everyone involved. The question that will raise is whether it prompts Sandgaard to either open the purse strings or bail out completely.
Weird how the chat about players arriving on the last day, must be taken as gospel.... but everything else requires a large pinch of salt.
No, it shouldn't be taken as gospel on either count.
WIOTOS actually means " I'll believe it when it's on the official site" IE when it's actually happened then believe it, not before. Until it's actually happened, it ain't happened.
Because of that I never thought anything TS or NA said was a "promise" so am not whinging on about being lied to.
As I said many months ago it's better IMHO to under promise and over deliver but that's not Sandgaard's style. At least it wasn't. His recent statements have been a lot more reserved and qualified. Either because he's realised everything he now says will be taken as a "promise" or because he's realised it's not as easy as he hoped/expected.
Or more likely a bit of both.
No offence, but its not whinging when your owner says we will piss the league and then apparently is offering players 3k a week.
We've not even assembled a competitive squad yet and they are planning next seasons £2400 a year VIP scheme.
That said, I certainly wont be sending him shitty msgs or wanting him out. Long term, its probably best that this has happened.. as like you say expectations may be managed or reeled in slightly in the future.
Whinge about the signings or lack of as much as you like, I'm not very impressed by the quantity so far either.
It's the "he lied to me" outrage that I don't get
Is it a “lied to me” outrage though ? For me it’s just stupid comments that stupidly raised expectations that this season would be very different to the reality we’re seeing.
Whether we can compete with Ipswich or Wigan or Sunderland or Portsmouth or Sheff Wed or Rotherham or Wycombe when it comes to wages, given our shit show of a club for years is a good question.
HOWEVER we SHOULD be able to be more attractive to players than MK Dons, Oxford et al. |Right now, those clubs - a lot of them look more organised than us, playing better football than us and attracting stronger talent than we are.
THIS is what worries me. If we say finished 8th this year given the issues the club has had to sort then I'd understand it. ALL clubs in League 1 last year lost money due to the pandemic. TS KNEW what he was buying - the pandemic was in full flow. So, maybe just maybe, we are right to question what the hell is going on when sides like MK Dons and Oxford piss all over us football wise ....
It basically looks like the club and team are this season treading water. Perhaps with a new owner needing to sort out ten years of mis management and put into place the building blocks of success going forward we shouldn’t be either too surprised or disappointed. I just wish that realism had been transmitted to the fans. I think to a man (and woman) this would have been embraced and supported. Instead we’re seeing to consequences of the nonsense. Massive own goal. I’m convinced we’ll be ok but it’s the long haul not the express route we were sold.
“Treading water” in L1 = additional enormous financial losses and a loss of faith in the credibility of both owner and manager.
I don’t really see how we can stay in L1 and it be seen as anything other than a failure.
I wouldn't necessaily see it as a failure. Only 3 teams can go up so in that context its pretty hard to get promotiion when there are 24 teams trying to do the same thing.
However, what I would see as failure is not having a adequate squad to mount a promotion bid and to be competitive in EVERY game and that teams know that they have been in a game with us. No one can win every game but you sure as hell can make sure you do your utmost to win it. Having 1 shot on target in 90 mins is not my idea of "'trying" to win.
It basically looks like the club and team are this season treading water. Perhaps with a new owner needing to sort out ten years of mis management and put into place the building blocks of success going forward we shouldn’t be either too surprised or disappointed. I just wish that realism had been transmitted to the fans. I think to a man (and woman) this would have been embraced and supported. Instead we’re seeing to consequences of the nonsense. Massive own goal. I’m convinced we’ll be ok but it’s the long haul not the express route we were sold.
“Treading water” in L1 = additional enormous financial losses and a loss of faith in the credibility of both owner and manager.
I don’t really see how we can stay in L1 and it be seen as anything other than a failure.
I wouldn't necessaily see it as a failure. Only 3 teams can go up so in that context its pretty hard to get promotiion when there are 24 teams trying to do the same thing.
However, what I would see as failure is not having a adequate squad to mount a promotion bid and to be competitive in EVERY game and that teams know that they have been in a game with us. No one can win every game but you sure as hell can make sure you do your utmost to win it. Having 1 shot on target in 90 mins is not my idea of "'trying" to win.
It basically looks like the club and team are this season treading water. Perhaps with a new owner needing to sort out ten years of mis management and put into place the building blocks of success going forward we shouldn’t be either too surprised or disappointed. I just wish that realism had been transmitted to the fans. I think to a man (and woman) this would have been embraced and supported. Instead we’re seeing to consequences of the nonsense. Massive own goal. I’m convinced we’ll be ok but it’s the long haul not the express route we were sold.
“Treading water” in L1 = additional enormous financial losses and a loss of faith in the credibility of both owner and manager.
I don’t really see how we can stay in L1 and it be seen as anything other than a failure.
I wouldn't necessaily see it as a failure. Only 3 teams can go up so in that context its pretty hard to get promotiion when there are 24 teams trying to do the same thing.
However, what I would see as failure is not having a adequate squad to mount a promotion bid and to be competitive in EVERY game and that teams know that they have been in a game with us. No one can win every game but you sure as hell can make sure you do your utmost to win it. Having 1 shot on target in 90 mins is not my idea of "'trying" to win.
1 shot on target in 450 minutes of football (+ 1 penalty) is a disgrace........
With respect, do you have any rumours or constructive thoughts to add?
Yes, this is a rumours thread. When a rumour presents itself, it will be posted in this thread to discuss. There are currently no rumours and until there are, people will discuss other topics that have a soft link to transfer dealings.
Continuously moaning about “waffle” is less related to rumours than the so called waffle you’re moaning about.
Constructive? Its been the same stuff being repeated constantly by the same people. Its boring and a waste of time..
With respect, do you have any rumours or constructive thoughts to add?
Yes, this is a rumours thread. When a rumour presents itself, it will be posted in this thread to discuss. There are currently no rumours and until there are, people will discuss other topics that have a soft link to transfer dealings.
Continuously moaning about “waffle” is less related to rumours than the so called waffle you’re moaning about.
Constructive? Its been the same stuff being repeated constantly by the same people. Its boring and a waste of time..
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There are too many cooks - it is likely that with just Bowyer and Gallen it was more decisive.
The people starting to call for Sandgaards head and other such nonsense are who I am referring to and that is not a load of bollocks.
From what we have seen so far, we're not spending much money on either front. The last place to spend money to be competitive is therefore on loan fees and wage % of loanees. Are we pinning our hopes on that? Or did we miss out on a couple of targets early on and are now scrambling about trying to find other targets?
I mentioned a few weeks ago leaving it late is a dangerous game, we speak of Adkins/Bowyer beforehand asking Gallen for, for example, a left footed right winger who is quick and tricky. He makes a list of suitable players and takes it back to the manager, who then lists them in priority, and Gallen then pursues each target until we sign someone. However, other teams have similar lists and might have a different priority order, and by the time we've courted and been turned down by number 1 and 2 on the list, Ipswich, Wigan, Portsmouth and the rest have signed 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 on the list and you're left with signing Corey Blackett-Taylor on a free.
There is no F in rumour
It's the "he lied to me" outrage that I don't get
HOWEVER we SHOULD be able to be more attractive to players than MK Dons, Oxford et al. |Right now, those clubs - a lot of them look more organised than us, playing better football than us and attracting stronger talent than we are.
THIS is what worries me. If we say finished 8th this year given the issues the club has had to sort then I'd understand it. ALL clubs in League 1 last year lost money due to the pandemic. TS KNEW what he was buying - the pandemic was in full flow. So, maybe just maybe, we are right to question what the hell is going on when sides like MK Dons and Oxford piss all over us football wise ....
However, what I would see as failure is not having a adequate squad to mount a promotion bid and to be competitive in EVERY game and that teams know that they have been in a game with us. No one can win every game but you sure as hell can make sure you do your utmost to win it. Having 1 shot on target in 90 mins is not my idea of "'trying" to win.