I would love to see 2 or 3 18-20 year olds bought in this window with the view of them being in contention for the 1st team in the summer.
Whether it's a consequence of the last 2 or 3 years or has just happened it seems an area we are short in.
It's hard to get behind a rebuilding project when you only sign players in their late 20s or early (even mid) 30s or loans you have no realist chance of signing medium term.
I think we have promoted so many youngsters that have then left, the cupboard is a bit bare. Sounds like a good idea.
Have we?
I think if you look at the 23+ range we have lost a lot of players that would be the core of a half decent championship side.
I think it maybe the rest of other factors at play. If you look at the current u23s there are a lot of "external" players then quite a gap to Henry and Barker.
Our academy has actually produced relatively few players in the last 2 or 3 years really, in comparison to some other periods when Charlton have relied on U23s
Morgan and Doughty, but nobody else really knocking on the door in terms of outfield players in the 19-22 year old age group other than perhaps Vennings. No centre backs or strikers who could have done a job during our recent injury problems, indeed it's quite unusual to see a Charlton side with NO home grown defenders at all, when you consider the number who have come through down the years
Thing is we would have had Gomez, konsa and grant as players in that bracket (not sure we can count lookman?) so they are coming through but we have just cashed in on them!
They are all 23 as to is Lookman. Aribo is 24.
On Tuesday we probably won't have an academy player in the 18. I am not sure AMB counts.
I do wonder if we are starting to see the "being out of the Premier league" effect impact our early years recruitment and we aren't compensating with the likes of Aribo and Lookman as we were.
Maybe I am barking up the wrong tree but, for me, it looks like an area on concern.
Maynard-Brewer joined when he was 16 so in that debatable bracket
With the amount of First Team kids we've churned out this last decade or so I always felt that there would come a time when that conveyor belt would slow down a bit eventually, and that we'd go through a bit of a blip
Definitely agree that we're potentially suffering from being out of the Premier League now though; Barker | Henry | Vennings, even Morgan (who like you say will be suspended on Tuesday, hence not having an Academy Player in that squad), are they truly good enough for the Premier League some day, or will they be solid Championship or lower Football League standard?
Remember kids like Timmy Abraham, Jeremy Sarmiento and likely others I have never heard of have been spirited away at 16 and must now be 18-20. I also thought our U18's are meant to be highly thought of.
The likes of AMB, Barker and Henry certainly have a chance as well.
I would love to see 2 or 3 18-20 year olds bought in this window with the view of them being in contention for the 1st team in the summer.
Whether it's a consequence of the last 2 or 3 years or has just happened it seems an area we are short in.
It's hard to get behind a rebuilding project when you only sign players in their late 20s or early (even mid) 30s or loans you have no realist chance of signing medium term.
I think we have promoted so many youngsters that have then left, the cupboard is a bit bare. Sounds like a good idea.
Have we?
I think if you look at the 23+ range we have lost a lot of players that would be the core of a half decent championship side.
I think it maybe the rest of other factors at play. If you look at the current u23s there are a lot of "external" players then quite a gap to Henry and Barker.
Our academy has actually produced relatively few players in the last 2 or 3 years really, in comparison to some other periods when Charlton have relied on U23s
Morgan and Doughty, but nobody else really knocking on the door in terms of outfield players in the 19-22 year old age group other than perhaps Vennings. No centre backs or strikers who could have done a job during our recent injury problems, indeed it's quite unusual to see a Charlton side with NO home grown defenders at all, when you consider the number who have come through down the years
Thing is we would have had Gomez, konsa and grant as players in that bracket (not sure we can count lookman?) so they are coming through but we have just cashed in on them!
They are all 23 as to is Lookman. Aribo is 24.
On Tuesday we probably won't have an academy player in the 18. I am not sure AMB counts.
I do wonder if we are starting to see the "being out of the Premier league" effect impact our early years recruitment and we aren't compensating with the likes of Aribo and Lookman as we were.
Maybe I am barking up the wrong tree but, for me, it looks like an area on concern.
Maynard-Brewer joined when he was 16 so in that debatable bracket
With the amount of First Team kids we've churned out this last decade or so I always felt that there would come a time when that conveyor belt would slow down a bit eventually, and that we'd go through a bit of a blip
Definitely agree that we're potentially suffering from being out of the Premier League now though; Barker | Henry | Vennings, even Morgan (who like you say will be suspended on Tuesday, hence not having an Academy Player in that squad), are they truly good enough for the Premier League some day, or will they be solid Championship or lower Football League standard?
Remember kids like Timmy Abraham, Jeremy Sarmiento and likely others I have never heard of have been spirited away at 16 and must now be 18-20. I also thought our U18's are meant to be highly thought of.
The likes of AMB, Barker and Henry certainly have a chance as well.
Largie Ramazani is another, released by Man Utd in the summer but now playing in the Spanish second tier.
Biggest impact may have been players who left or chose other clubs while in the younger age groups. Not being in the Prem may have been the difference between them coming through our academy or going elsewhere.
if we can only have one player it would be a toss up between another striker (with physical presence and pace ideally or an athletic / physically imposing midfielder - ideally we get both after managing to offload a couple somehow
Can’t see we’d been in for another striker when we have 4 plus Smyth. I think it will definitely be a CM. Could be a CB but Deji playing well and Famewo back makes that doubtful.
because washington, bogle and smyth are useless? if chucks gets injured, its season over - id make it the priority
Washington is far from useless. How are you proposing we fund this striker?
same way you'd fund the player u want - he;s useless as an attacking threat
6 goals and an assist says otherwise.
His confidence may be lacking a touch at the moment but he's shown he has a bit of class there, we need to nurture that as we won't find better for 1.3k a week (which is all that is counted of his salary)
no it doesn't - no pace, no aerial ability, no physicality, lays it off, never attacks / takes anybody on - you are wrong but believe what u want
No pace? He's quicker than Chuks, only Millar, Smyth and Maatsen are quicker out of the current fit players. Pace doesn't make a player better/worse just so you know.
Don't disagree on his lack of aerial ability, but which bit am I wrong about?
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I wouldn't give up on him yet, but you seem to be the very definition of the fickle football fan, you do you.
You're welcome to your opinion as I am mine and if you put it on a public forum it WILL be questioned.
He’s strong, agile, and technically good too. A very good age as well, recently 21. Would be good signing from what I’ve seen in bits and pieces when he was on loan at Wycombe last season.
He’s strong, agile, and technically good too. A very good age as well, recently 21. Would be good signing from what I’ve seen in bits and pieces when he was on loan at Wycombe last season.
Have to hope he values playing regular football over a slightly higher salary at the present moment.
We'll be able to offer him a decent amount as he was 20 at the start of last year. We might even be offering more than what some of the championship clubs are.
Great prospect but I can’t see how we’ll get him with Championship clubs sniffing around. Fingers crossed
Ignore all of that. He’s born and bred in Lewisham and his entire family still live there. I can see him being desperate to move back here, especially during lockdown.
He’s strong, agile, and technically good too. A very good age as well, recently 21. Would be good signing from what I’ve seen in bits and pieces when he was on loan at Wycombe last season.
I would love to see 2 or 3 18-20 year olds bought in this window with the view of them being in contention for the 1st team in the summer.
Whether it's a consequence of the last 2 or 3 years or has just happened it seems an area we are short in.
It's hard to get behind a rebuilding project when you only sign players in their late 20s or early (even mid) 30s or loans you have no realist chance of signing medium term.
I think we have promoted so many youngsters that have then left, the cupboard is a bit bare. Sounds like a good idea.
Have we?
I think if you look at the 23+ range we have lost a lot of players that would be the core of a half decent championship side.
I think it maybe the rest of other factors at play. If you look at the current u23s there are a lot of "external" players then quite a gap to Henry and Barker.
Our academy has actually produced relatively few players in the last 2 or 3 years really, in comparison to some other periods when Charlton have relied on U23s
Morgan and Doughty, but nobody else really knocking on the door in terms of outfield players in the 19-22 year old age group other than perhaps Vennings. No centre backs or strikers who could have done a job during our recent injury problems, indeed it's quite unusual to see a Charlton side with NO home grown defenders at all, when you consider the number who have come through down the years
Thing is we would have had Gomez, konsa and grant as players in that bracket (not sure we can count lookman?) so they are coming through but we have just cashed in on them!
They are all 23 as to is Lookman. Aribo is 24.
On Tuesday we probably won't have an academy player in the 18. I am not sure AMB counts.
I do wonder if we are starting to see the "being out of the Premier league" effect impact our early years recruitment and we aren't compensating with the likes of Aribo and Lookman as we were.
Maybe I am barking up the wrong tree but, for me, it looks like an area on concern.
Maynard-Brewer joined when he was 16 so in that debatable bracket
With the amount of First Team kids we've churned out this last decade or so I always felt that there would come a time when that conveyor belt would slow down a bit eventually, and that we'd go through a bit of a blip
Definitely agree that we're potentially suffering from being out of the Premier League now though; Barker | Henry | Vennings, even Morgan (who like you say will be suspended on Tuesday, hence not having an Academy Player in that squad), are they truly good enough for the Premier League some day, or will they be solid Championship or lower Football League standard?
Remember kids like Timmy Abraham, Jeremy Sarmiento and likely others I have never heard of have been spirited away at 16 and must now be 18-20. I also thought our U18's are meant to be highly thought of.
The likes of AMB, Barker and Henry certainly have a chance as well.
Largie Ramazani is another, released by Man Utd in the summer but now playing in the Spanish second tier.
Biggest impact may have been players who left or chose other clubs while in the younger age groups. Not being in the Prem may have been the difference between them coming through our academy or going elsewhere.
And Jordan Zemura - left us to go to Bournemouth a couple of seasons back. Top quality LB and is now starting games in the Championship.
Shinnie, Famewo, Maatsen, Smyth, Millar all on loan already. If Doughty goes and comes back on loan that's 6. Even if we send Smyth back that's still the max 5 in one squad. I don't get how we'd then get a star striker in on loan with the budget constraints we have that will be markedly better than Washington
We are not sending Smyth back. This is real football, not bloody Championship Manager. If a loanee arrives and has not scored bucketloads, then you hit ctrl-alt-delete, end the process and go again!
Shinnie, Famewo, Maatsen, Smyth, Millar all on loan already. If Doughty goes and comes back on loan that's 6. Even if we send Smyth back that's still the max 5 in one squad. I don't get how we'd then get a star striker in on loan with the budget constraints we have that will be markedly better than Washington
I believe we can have as many loans as we can afford, it will just mean that they cannot all be in the match day squad. The odds will be that one or more will be rested, injured or suspended at any given time - or will be dropped.
Looks a decent prospect but surely that'll leave us a glut of central midfielders, considering we have Shinnie and Watson to come back, Pratley who's a central midfielder, Gilbey (on a 3 year contract) plus JFC and Morgan
if we can only have one player it would be a toss up between another striker (with physical presence and pace ideally or an athletic / physically imposing midfielder - ideally we get both after managing to offload a couple somehow
Can’t see we’d been in for another striker when we have 4 plus Smyth. I think it will definitely be a CM. Could be a CB but Deji playing well and Famewo back makes that doubtful.
because washington, bogle and smyth are useless? if chucks gets injured, its season over - id make it the priority
Washington is far from useless. How are you proposing we fund this striker?
same way you'd fund the player u want - he;s useless as an attacking threat
6 goals and an assist says otherwise.
His confidence may be lacking a touch at the moment but he's shown he has a bit of class there, we need to nurture that as we won't find better for 1.3k a week (which is all that is counted of his salary)
no it doesn't - no pace, no aerial ability, no physicality, lays it off, never attacks / takes anybody on - you are wrong but believe what u want
Very pacey player as shown when he gets in behind defenders. You dont want all the strikers playing the same way as its predictable to the oppo.
If you have 5 strikers then they all should play differently to offer something different to the team.
Aneke - Technically brilliant, strong, can finish. Bogle - Hold up player, strong & good in the air. Needs to improve his finishing and stay in a confident frame of mind. Washington - Plays off the shoulder of defenders, works his nuts off, presses defenders. Smyth - Appreciate he is more of a winger at this point but if he played up front, hes quick enough to play it over the top and he will always hassle. Schwartz - Fox in the box. Prob the best finisher we have now. Nasty player who will wind the oppo up.
Each strikers offers something different. Keeps the other team guessing.
For some reason you dont rate Washington and really have a strange vendetta against him.
And saying "you are wrong" is just plain obnoxious. This is a forum and everyone is entitled to an opinion....you can disagree of course but you arent all knowing.
If you dont want people to oppose your views then just dont put them on.
Looks a decent prospect but surely that'll leave us a glut of central midfielders, considering we have Shinnie and Watson to come back, Pratley who's a central midfielder, Gilbey (on a 3 year contract) plus JFC and Morgan
Not many of those are comparable though. We need a physical presence in midfield with a bit of mobility about him. We currently have Pratley and Watson doing that role. Watson is looking pretty slow and has been a bit less effective than we'd hoped, and they're both 612 years old each. Bringing in a 21 year old to fill that role makes sense. If we pull this signing off I doubt one of Watson and Pratley, probably Watson, will be here next season and the new lad can learn from two masters of the craft for half the season. Shinnie, Gilbey, JFC and Morgan all offer something quite different and having mobile Pratley-type frees them up to play their game even better
don't think Williams or Maddison will be here next season unless they pull up trees before the end of the season
I think Williams may be if he keeps working harder like Bows wants and takes a pay cut. Gawd knows with Maddison. I hugely rate him but clearly he’s not settled yet
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The likes of AMB, Barker and Henry certainly have a chance as well.
Biggest impact may have been players who left or chose other clubs while in the younger age groups. Not being in the Prem may have been the difference between them coming through our academy or going elsewhere.
Don't disagree on his lack of aerial ability, but which bit am I wrong about?
Salary is a fact
Goal Interactions fact
I wouldn't give up on him yet, but you seem to be the very definition of the fickle football fan, you do you.
You're welcome to your opinion as I am mine and if you put it on a public forum it WILL be questioned.
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He’s strong, agile, and technically good too. A very good age as well, recently 21. Would be good signing from what I’ve seen in bits and pieces when he was on loan at Wycombe last season.
The odds will be that one or more will be rested, injured or suspended at any given time - or will be dropped.
If you have 5 strikers then they all should play differently to offer something different to the team.
Aneke - Technically brilliant, strong, can finish.
Bogle - Hold up player, strong & good in the air. Needs to improve his finishing and stay in a confident frame of mind.
Washington - Plays off the shoulder of defenders, works his nuts off, presses defenders.
Smyth - Appreciate he is more of a winger at this point but if he played up front, hes quick enough to play it over the top and he will always hassle.
Schwartz - Fox in the box. Prob the best finisher we have now. Nasty player who will wind the oppo up.
Each strikers offers something different. Keeps the other team guessing.
For some reason you dont rate Washington and really have a strange vendetta against him.
And saying "you are wrong" is just plain obnoxious. This is a forum and everyone is entitled to an opinion....you can disagree of course but you arent all knowing.
If you dont want people to oppose your views then just dont put them on.
Not many of those are comparable though. We need a physical presence in midfield with a bit of mobility about him. We currently have Pratley and Watson doing that role. Watson is looking pretty slow and has been a bit less effective than we'd hoped, and they're both 612 years old each. Bringing in a 21 year old to fill that role makes sense. If we pull this signing off I doubt one of Watson and Pratley, probably Watson, will be here next season and the new lad can learn from two masters of the craft for half the season. Shinnie, Gilbey, JFC and Morgan all offer something quite different and having mobile Pratley-type frees them up to play their game even better
We can count the number of midfielders we have today, but come next season it's likely we will not keep hold of Pratley, Watson, Shinnie.