I’m not saying he should be playing, I’m not saying you can make excuses for the miss at Swindon, he had just scored so should’ve been confident but I assume he momentarily took his eye off the ball and looked at the keeper as it was coming to him, that’s what caused him to miss it completely.
Since then, any and every opportunity he has had means he has to score and that’s huge pressure. I agree he hasn’t been good enough, but for a striker especially, confidence is a massive part of the game. If he is suffering from a lack of it, which he looks to me like he is, he needs good management and support, not the abuse he has been getting.
That is the problem I think. This fella is not an out and out striker. It's so much more than just scoring goals. It's being a constant menace. Making intelligent runs and finding space in dangerous areas. Do that enough and the goals will come. Bogle has none of the attributes to make him a regular goal scorer as far as I can see. And when the odd chance does fall his way his decision making is woeful.
I know he scored a few for Grimsby but he was hardly prolific. And that's what we need him to be,especially when he's the furthest forward player.
I'm done with him, and I think given the chance Bowyer would be too.
If everything else was equal but he scored the 2 sitters, his goal a Blackpool wasn't disallowed and he took and scored the pen against Gillingham (which he should never have been involved in).
Would people still be as critical of his around performance?
Yep. Ok he's not an out and out striker.
Another annoying thing is that when the ball is played up to him it never sticks and is back down our throat in no time. If he can't be trusted to score goals or hold the ball up then what is his purpose?
I think you have hit the nail on the head that he isn't an out and out striker, or a target man.
Portsmouth and Cardiff both played him out wide.
I said before the Schwartz signing that this squad would be so much better with a half decent target man who could play 90 minutes. Bogle, Washington and Aneke would all look significantly better if they were playing with a Leaburn type.
All this use of Pratley at RCB and Oshilaja not being used coupled with talk of a new CB being priority, what's Charlie Barker done wrong? He started this season well and has disappeared!
I think we've all been omitting him from our squads! Bowyer included... But surely he should be in/around it!
Heard he's miles off a regular first team player atm
How can he be miles off when he's played a few games and never looked out of place? Odoh who played against West Brom in the cup last season is someone I'd call miles off. No one is expecting him to be a regular but it's surprising he's not been on the bench at all given the situation.
If Barker had been a new signing and turned in the performances he did against Doncaster and Lincoln he would have got pelters.
Rightfully he didnt. Probably for the 1st time in 2 or 3 years we have people not playing, or even making the bench, at all and every single one of them gets better the more often they don't play.
Gilbey was poor in his second game but the longer he was injured the better he got. "As soon as Gilbey is back etc etc. The same has happened to Oshilaja. A lot of people demanding he plays are the same ones that said they hope he never plays again in October. Purrington should" never ware the shirt again" Blackpool away, now the same people wonder why he didn't start at Hull.
Fickle is the word I think.
A handful of fickle people on here being OTT don’t speak for the fan base.
Oshilaja is a decent CB. He’s played shit before but wasn’t we playing him out of position? Also, he’s behind Innis, Famewo, Pearce in the pecking order but with two of those out injured, and himself now being fit, he should be starting. Not Pratley at CB.
I’ve personally never got the Purrington bashing and Gilbey was good before his injury, so i was expecting better things from the latter when he returned.
Your 1st sentence is obviously 100% correct but when it's the same 10 or 20 people commenting on it is right to point out the hypocrisy of it.
"Gilbey was good before his injury" is something I have seen repeated over and over again. He played 2 league games IIRC, one he was slightly better than OK, the other he had a western.
Gilbey was good for MK Don's, and before, but I think "he was good for US, pre injury" is a liberal interpretation of the truth, at best.
I didn't say good for us. As you say he was good for MK Dons and also played well away at Crewe. I think people had a right to want him back from injury and expect good things.
Williams and Maddison need to be on the pitch together from the start. Why you would have these two and not play them is beyond me. We play best when attacking with quick passing, ie against Wimbledon for the final 20 mins.
Could not disagree more. Williams is very poor when he starts a game, but is excellent when he comes on as a sub. It would be nice if when he does come on, Maddison is still on the pitch, especially when we need a goal.
Is he? Did he have a bad game at Portsmouth? Or are you just regurgitating bowyers excuses?
Has Williams started consecutive games this season? He certainly hasn’t been give a fair run and has only played one half at the same time as Maddison and we scored 4 and conceded 0. I think @up_the_valley is spot on
Starting from Wembley I think his best performances have been from the bench, but I realise from the words you use that you don’t like Bowyer (capital B ) or the teams that he picks; and as you now have it in your mind that anyone who does not want Williams to start is not giving their own view, your mind is now closed on the matter. Fine. For the record, for him to be in my starting eleven we would have to be down to the bare bone. Try and find a team sheet of mine that shows him starting.
Glad you agree about Williams and Maddison, which kinda proves my point about him coming on as a sub. As does the performance the last time Williams started a game.
I like bowyer, I just wish he would learn from his mistakes
I would agree with you on that, the trouble is we all have an opinion of what mistakes are being made 🙂. I am not a fan of the diamond or 4-3-3 unless you have the players that can make that work. Both systems put a lot of pressure on the two in the middle of the four and the work required is extreme. I don’t think we have those midfielders, (which is why he is playing Maatsen in midfield), and even if we did, playing twice a week would be a stretch but achievable. Attackers are going to be straight onto defenders so you need a good platform of mobile players. Pearce and Pratley are not mobile enough. When (if) we have a fully fit squad then I think we do have the players.
I would prefer a 4-5-1 or 3-5-2 at the moment because I believe it would suit the players we do have available, and tighten up the defence and I think Bows should have tried it from the start by now. We would still lack pace in midfield. (and I would still not want Williams to start😉).
All this use of Pratley at RCB and Oshilaja not being used coupled with talk of a new CB being priority, what's Charlie Barker done wrong? He started this season well and has disappeared!
I think we've all been omitting him from our squads! Bowyer included... But surely he should be in/around it!
Heard he's miles off a regular first team player atm
How can he be miles off when he's played a few games and never looked out of place? Odoh who played against West Brom in the cup last season is someone I'd call miles off. No one is expecting him to be a regular but it's surprising he's not been on the bench at all given the situation.
If Barker had been a new signing and turned in the performances he did against Doncaster and Lincoln he would have got pelters.
Rightfully he didnt. Probably for the 1st time in 2 or 3 years we have people not playing, or even making the bench, at all and every single one of them gets better the more often they don't play.
Gilbey was poor in his second game but the longer he was injured the better he got. "As soon as Gilbey is back etc etc. The same has happened to Oshilaja. A lot of people demanding he plays are the same ones that said they hope he never plays again in October. Purrington should" never ware the shirt again" Blackpool away, now the same people wonder why he didn't start at Hull.
Fickle is the word I think.
Unless I'm mistaken Barker was played out of position at right back in those games. He's done fine at centre back.
@Garrymanilow your post on page 61 was bang on fella.
Really can’t see the point in coming on here every day and repeatedly posting how shit you think Bogle is. We get the message. I’m not going to defend him in any way as it’s perfectly clear that for whatever reason it is just not happening for him at Charlton and for both the club and his sake it’s better that he move on, preferably in this window but neither will I waste my time tapping away at my keyboard reiterating the same point over and over and over again. To be honest it seems some people have far too much time on their hands.
@Garrymanilow your post on page 61 was bang on fella.
Really can’t see the point in coming on here every day and repeatedly posting how shit you think Bogle is. We get the message. I’m not going to defend him in any way as it’s perfectly clear that for whatever reason it is just not happening for him at Charlton and for both the club and his sake it’s better that he move on, preferably in this window but neither will I waste my time tapping away at my keyboard reiterating the same point over and over and over again. To be honest it seems some people have far too much time on their hands.
We're in a pandemic mate, can't go for a beer to chat about it
Williams and Maddison need to be on the pitch together from the start. Why you would have these two and not play them is beyond me. We play best when attacking with quick passing, ie against Wimbledon for the final 20 mins.
Could not disagree more. Williams is very poor when he starts a game, but is excellent when he comes on as a sub. It would be nice if when he does come on, Maddison is still on the pitch, especially when we need a goal.
Is he? Did he have a bad game at Portsmouth? Or are you just regurgitating bowyers excuses?
Has Williams started consecutive games this season? He certainly hasn’t been give a fair run and has only played one half at the same time as Maddison and we scored 4 and conceded 0. I think @up_the_valley is spot on
Starting from Wembley I think his best performances have been from the bench, but I realise from the words you use that you don’t like Bowyer (capital B ) or the teams that he picks; and as you now have it in your mind that anyone who does not want Williams to start is not giving their own view, your mind is now closed on the matter. Fine. For the record, for him to be in my starting eleven we would have to be down to the bare bone. Try and find a team sheet of mine that shows him starting.
Glad you agree about Williams and Maddison, which kinda proves my point about him coming on as a sub. As does the performance the last time Williams started a game.
I like bowyer, I just wish he would learn from his mistakes
I would agree with you on that, the trouble is we all have an opinion of what mistakes are being made 🙂. I am not a fan of the diamond or 4-3-3 unless you have the players that can make that work. Both systems put a lot of pressure on the two in the middle of the four and the work required is extreme. I don’t think we have those midfielders, (which is why he is playing Maatsen in midfield), and even if we did, playing twice a week would be a stretch but achievable. Attackers are going to be straight onto defenders so you need a good platform of mobile players. Pearce and Pratley are not mobile enough. When (if) we have a fully fit squad then I think we do have the players.
I would prefer a 4-5-1 or 3-5-2 at the moment because I believe it would suit the players we do have available, and tighten up the defence and I think Bows should have tried it from the start by now. We would still lack pace in midfield. (and I would still not want Williams to start😉).
Bowyer has been playing Pratley at CB and clearly doesn’t rate Deji. No way do we have the players for a 352 when only one CB has been playing.
All this use of Pratley at RCB and Oshilaja not being used coupled with talk of a new CB being priority, what's Charlie Barker done wrong? He started this season well and has disappeared!
I think we've all been omitting him from our squads! Bowyer included... But surely he should be in/around it!
Heard he's miles off a regular first team player atm
How can he be miles off when he's played a few games and never looked out of place? Odoh who played against West Brom in the cup last season is someone I'd call miles off. No one is expecting him to be a regular but it's surprising he's not been on the bench at all given the situation.
If Barker had been a new signing and turned in the performances he did against Doncaster and Lincoln he would have got pelters.
Rightfully he didnt. Probably for the 1st time in 2 or 3 years we have people not playing, or even making the bench, at all and every single one of them gets better the more often they don't play.
Gilbey was poor in his second game but the longer he was injured the better he got. "As soon as Gilbey is back etc etc. The same has happened to Oshilaja. A lot of people demanding he plays are the same ones that said they hope he never plays again in October. Purrington should" never ware the shirt again" Blackpool away, now the same people wonder why he didn't start at Hull.
Fickle is the word I think.
Unless I'm mistaken Barker was played out of position at right back in those games. He's done fine at centre back.
Unless my mind is playing tricks, which is possible, didn't he play right back in the games he played well, the he and Oshilaja swapped after the latter made a balls up for the 2 games he struggled in?
@Garrymanilow your post on page 61 was bang on fella.
Really can’t see the point in coming on here every day and repeatedly posting how shit you think Bogle is. We get the message. I’m not going to defend him in any way as it’s perfectly clear that for whatever reason it is just not happening for him at Charlton and for both the club and his sake it’s better that he move on, preferably in this window but neither will I waste my time tapping away at my keyboard reiterating the same point over and over and over again. To be honest it seems some people have far too much time on their hands.
We're in a pandemic mate, can't go for a beer to chat about it
Well get on Pornhub and have a good old tug. Better for the prostate then repeatedly venting your spleen.
All this use of Pratley at RCB and Oshilaja not being used coupled with talk of a new CB being priority, what's Charlie Barker done wrong? He started this season well and has disappeared!
I think we've all been omitting him from our squads! Bowyer included... But surely he should be in/around it!
Heard he's miles off a regular first team player atm
How can he be miles off when he's played a few games and never looked out of place? Odoh who played against West Brom in the cup last season is someone I'd call miles off. No one is expecting him to be a regular but it's surprising he's not been on the bench at all given the situation.
If Barker had been a new signing and turned in the performances he did against Doncaster and Lincoln he would have got pelters.
Rightfully he didnt. Probably for the 1st time in 2 or 3 years we have people not playing, or even making the bench, at all and every single one of them gets better the more often they don't play.
Gilbey was poor in his second game but the longer he was injured the better he got. "As soon as Gilbey is back etc etc. The same has happened to Oshilaja. A lot of people demanding he plays are the same ones that said they hope he never plays again in October. Purrington should" never ware the shirt again" Blackpool away, now the same people wonder why he didn't start at Hull.
Fickle is the word I think.
Unless I'm mistaken Barker was played out of position at right back in those games. He's done fine at centre back.
Unless my mind is playing tricks, which is possible, didn't he play right back in the games he played well, the he and Oshilaja swapped after the latter made a balls up for the 2 games he struggled in?
I honestly don't remember but if he played well out of position wouldn't that only strengthen the argument that it's surprising he's not been involved?
All this use of Pratley at RCB and Oshilaja not being used coupled with talk of a new CB being priority, what's Charlie Barker done wrong? He started this season well and has disappeared!
I think we've all been omitting him from our squads! Bowyer included... But surely he should be in/around it!
Heard he's miles off a regular first team player atm
How can he be miles off when he's played a few games and never looked out of place? Odoh who played against West Brom in the cup last season is someone I'd call miles off. No one is expecting him to be a regular but it's surprising he's not been on the bench at all given the situation.
If Barker had been a new signing and turned in the performances he did against Doncaster and Lincoln he would have got pelters.
Rightfully he didnt. Probably for the 1st time in 2 or 3 years we have people not playing, or even making the bench, at all and every single one of them gets better the more often they don't play.
Gilbey was poor in his second game but the longer he was injured the better he got. "As soon as Gilbey is back etc etc. The same has happened to Oshilaja. A lot of people demanding he plays are the same ones that said they hope he never plays again in October. Purrington should" never ware the shirt again" Blackpool away, now the same people wonder why he didn't start at Hull.
Fickle is the word I think.
Unless I'm mistaken Barker was played out of position at right back in those games. He's done fine at centre back.
Unless my mind is playing tricks, which is possible, didn't he play right back in the games he played well, the he and Oshilaja swapped after the latter made a balls up for the 2 games he struggled in?
I honestly don't remember but if he played well out of position wouldn't that only strengthen the argument that it's surprising he's not been involved?
Not necessarily no, remember he wasn't even 1st choice for the u23s at the start of the season. He played because he was u18 and we were under the embargo.
What is surprising is that the u23s who were ahead of him haven't even had a sniff of the bench when we had zero fit experienced center halves.
With Oshilaja, what doesn’t make sense is Bowyer trusted him in the Championship at centre back but not at league one level?
I don't think Bowyer ever trusted Deji at CB. He made 25 league appearances last season and only 8 of those were at CB. One of those appearances was for 1 minute at the end of a game and one was for 23 minutes in a shape change. Of the 6 starts, 3 of them were as part of a back three, and he was subbed in two of those games around 60 minutes. He started 3 games as part of a two man central defence, and on 2 of those occasions we were without both Naby and Lockyer. We lost all but one of the games he started at CB, the other one we drew. He played 6 games at RB, 5 at LB and 6 at holding midfield. I think Bowyer respects that he's strong on the ball and has a bit of speed but doesn't trust him to be a safe defender in the middle unless there's two others around him, and that's why he's tried him in so many different positions in an attempt to make the most of his physical attributes.
@Garrymanilow your post on page 61 was bang on fella.
Really can’t see the point in coming on here every day and repeatedly posting how shit you think Bogle is. We get the message. I’m not going to defend him in any way as it’s perfectly clear that for whatever reason it is just not happening for him at Charlton and for both the club and his sake it’s better that he move on, preferably in this window but neither will I waste my time tapping away at my keyboard reiterating the same point over and over and over again. To be honest it seems some people have far too much time on their hands.
We're in a pandemic mate, can't go for a beer to chat about it
Well get on Pornhub and have a good old tug. Better for the prostate then repeatedly venting your spleen.
Not exactly going to take up much of his day though is it?
With Oshilaja, what doesn’t make sense is Bowyer trusted him in the Championship at centre back but not at league one level?
I don't think Bowyer ever trusted Deji at CB. He made 25 league appearances last season and only 8 of those were at CB. One of those appearances was for 1 minute at the end of a game and one was for 23 minutes in a shape change. Of the 6 starts, 3 of them were as part of a back three, and he was subbed in two of those games around 60 minutes. He started 3 games as part of a two man central defence, and on 2 of those occasions we were without both Naby and Lockyer. We lost all but one of the games he started at CB, the other one we drew. He played 6 games at RB, 5 at LB and 6 at holding midfield. I think Bowyer respects that he's strong on the ball and has a bit of speed but doesn't trust him to be a safe defender in the middle unless there's two others around him, and that's why he's tried him in so many different positions in an attempt to make the most of his physical attributes.
I agree with you. But then I think it was bizarre we went in for Matthews and not a right-sided CB. Obviously the benefit of hindsight but with Inniss' injury record it would have made a lot more sense to sign someone like Ben Heneghan and then use Deji primaraily as a RB but also as cover for CB.
@Garrymanilow your post on page 61 was bang on fella.
Really can’t see the point in coming on here every day and repeatedly posting how shit you think Bogle is. We get the message. I’m not going to defend him in any way as it’s perfectly clear that for whatever reason it is just not happening for him at Charlton and for both the club and his sake it’s better that he move on, preferably in this window but neither will I waste my time tapping away at my keyboard reiterating the same point over and over and over again. To be honest it seems some people have far too much time on their hands.
We're in a pandemic mate, can't go for a beer to chat about it
Well get on Pornhub and have a good old tug. Better for the prostate then repeatedly venting your spleen.
Not exactly going to take up much of his day though is it?
@Garrymanilow your post on page 61 was bang on fella.
Really can’t see the point in coming on here every day and repeatedly posting how shit you think Bogle is. We get the message. I’m not going to defend him in any way as it’s perfectly clear that for whatever reason it is just not happening for him at Charlton and for both the club and his sake it’s better that he move on, preferably in this window but neither will I waste my time tapping away at my keyboard reiterating the same point over and over and over again. To be honest it seems some people have far too much time on their hands.
We're in a pandemic mate, can't go for a beer to chat about it
Well get on Pornhub and have a good old tug. Better for the prostate then repeatedly venting your spleen.
I've already completed it- this is lockdown 3 you know!
I don't know why we don't give Bogle a couple of U23 run outs (assuming you can play overage players) to get a goal and build his confidence back up. He's clearly behind Schwartz, Aneke and Washington so isn't going to feature much but no harm in giving him a reserve game.
It's a good shout.
Bogle would do well to.spend some time with Euell and learn from someone who played a similar role at a top level.
I have given up on this thread, I will come back when someone posts some rumours, rather than slating Bogle, which is now three threads this is happening on
Logged on and saw 48 unread posts on this thread whose title is "January 2021 Transfer Targets". So naturally I was expecting some 'rumours' or some copies of tweets about 'rumours'.....but no, just post after post of slagging off Bogle, or discussing Deji and Bowyer. How silly of me to think this thread was about TRANSFER RUMOURS!!! Fucking hell, I've now seen another thread entitled 'Bogle', how many threads does he warrant! Any chance this thread can stick to actual rumours? Just asking!
Logged on and saw 48 unread posts on this thread whose title is "January 2021 Transfer Targets". So naturally I was expecting some 'rumours' or some copies of tweets about 'rumours'.....but no, just post after post of slagging off Bogle, or discussing Deji and Bowyer. How silly of me to think this thread was about TRANSFER RUMOURS!!! Fucking hell, I've now seen another thread entitled 'Bogle', how many threads does he warrant! Any chance this thread can stick to actual rumours? Just asking!
Bogle now has more threads than he does goals. Even by Charlton standards this is quite unique.
All this use of Pratley at RCB and Oshilaja not being used coupled with talk of a new CB being priority, what's Charlie Barker done wrong? He started this season well and has disappeared!
I think we've all been omitting him from our squads! Bowyer included... But surely he should be in/around it!
Heard he's miles off a regular first team player atm
How can he be miles off when he's played a few games and never looked out of place? Odoh who played against West Brom in the cup last season is someone I'd call miles off. No one is expecting him to be a regular but it's surprising he's not been on the bench at all given the situation.
If Barker had been a new signing and turned in the performances he did against Doncaster and Lincoln he would have got pelters.
Rightfully he didnt. Probably for the 1st time in 2 or 3 years we have people not playing, or even making the bench, at all and every single one of them gets better the more often they don't play.
Gilbey was poor in his second game but the longer he was injured the better he got. "As soon as Gilbey is back etc etc. The same has happened to Oshilaja. A lot of people demanding he plays are the same ones that said they hope he never plays again in October. Purrington should" never ware the shirt again" Blackpool away, now the same people wonder why he didn't start at Hull.
Fickle is the word I think.
A handful of fickle people on here being OTT don’t speak for the fan base.
Oshilaja is a decent CB. He’s played shit before but wasn’t we playing him out of position? Also, he’s behind Innis, Famewo, Pearce in the pecking order but with two of those out injured, and himself now being fit, he should be starting. Not Pratley at CB.
I’ve personally never got the Purrington bashing and Gilbey was good before his injury, so i was expecting better things from the latter when he returned.
Your 1st sentence is obviously 100% correct but when it's the same 10 or 20 people commenting on it is right to point out the hypocrisy of it.
"Gilbey was good before his injury" is something I have seen repeated over and over again. He played 2 league games IIRC, one he was slightly better than OK, the other he had a western.
Gilbey was good for MK Don's, and before, but I think "he was good for US, pre injury" is a liberal interpretation of the truth, at best.
You complain that people are revising the truth here but then do it yourself by saying he was “slightly better than OK” against Crewe.
Gilbey vs. Crewe (A) scored 7.41 in the CL Statbank. Second highest mark for any CAFC player behind MoM Alfie Doughty.
The next game he was played out of position and scored 5.69. A big drop off yes but even then, that was still the second highest mark of anyone who pulled on a red shirt that day (Washington scored 6.53). Everyone had a stinker and Gilbey was no exception.
Since he returned, I don’t think he’s got near a top three. That’s the drop off that people are talking about, they didn’t make it up.
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Portsmouth and Cardiff both played him out wide.
I said before the Schwartz signing that this squad would be so much better with a half decent target man who could play 90 minutes. Bogle, Washington and Aneke would all look significantly better if they were playing with a Leaburn type.
I am not a fan of the diamond or 4-3-3 unless you have the players that can make that work. Both systems put a lot of pressure on the two in the middle of the four and the work required is extreme. I don’t think we have those midfielders, (which is why he is playing Maatsen in midfield), and even if we did, playing twice a week would be a stretch but achievable. Attackers are going to be straight onto defenders so you need a good platform of mobile players. Pearce and Pratley are not mobile enough.
When (if) we have a fully fit squad then I think we do have the players.
We need all the creativity AND goals we can get whilst we are defensively rocky.
Really can’t see the point in coming on here every day and repeatedly posting how shit you think Bogle is. We get the message. I’m not going to defend him in any way as it’s perfectly clear that for whatever reason it is just not happening for him at Charlton and for both the club and his sake it’s better that he move on, preferably in this window but neither will I waste my time tapping away at my keyboard reiterating the same point over and over and over again. To be honest it seems some people have far too much time on their hands.
Well get on Pornhub and have a good old tug. Better for the prostate then repeatedly venting your spleen.
Washington spends a lot of time out wide roaming the channels, not really much difference
What is surprising is that the u23s who were ahead of him haven't even had a sniff of the bench when we had zero fit experienced center halves.
Tantric wank?
Bogle would do well to.spend some time with Euell and learn from someone who played a similar role at a top level.
Targets: I'm not sure sure I want to know
Rumours: Apparently he's watched about 5m videos on Pornhub
Any chance this thread can stick to actual rumours? Just asking!
Even by Charlton standards this is quite unique.
Gilbey vs. Crewe (A) scored 7.41 in the CL Statbank. Second highest mark for any CAFC player behind MoM Alfie Doughty.
The next game he was played out of position and scored 5.69. A big drop off yes but even then, that was still the second highest mark of anyone who pulled on a red shirt that day (Washington scored 6.53). Everyone had a stinker and Gilbey was no exception.
Since he returned, I don’t think he’s got near a top three. That’s the drop off that people are talking about, they didn’t make it up.