Williams and Maddison need to be on the pitch together from the start. Why you would have these two and not play them is beyond me. We play best when attacking with quick passing, ie against Wimbledon for the final 20 mins.
Could not disagree more. Williams is very poor when he starts a game, but is excellent when he comes on as a sub. It would be nice if when he does come on, Maddison is still on the pitch, especially when we need a goal.
Is he? Did he have a bad game at Portsmouth? Or are you just regurgitating bowyers excuses?
Has Williams started consecutive games this season? He certainly hasn’t been give a fair run and has only played one half at the same time as Maddison and we scored 4 and conceded 0. I think @up_the_valley is spot on
Starting from Wembley I think his best performances have been from the bench, but I realise from the words you use that you don’t like Bowyer (capital B ) or the teams that he picks; and as you now have it in your mind that anyone who does not want Williams to start is not giving their own view, your mind is now closed on the matter. Fine. For the record, for him to be in my starting eleven we would have to be down to the bare bone. Try and find a team sheet of mine that shows him starting.
Glad you agree about Williams and Maddison, which kinda proves my point about him coming on as a sub. As does the performance the last time Williams started a game.
I like bowyer, I just wish he would learn from his mistakes
I would agree with you on that, the trouble is we all have an opinion of what mistakes are being made 🙂. I am not a fan of the diamond or 4-3-3 unless you have the players that can make that work. Both systems put a lot of pressure on the two in the middle of the four and the work required is extreme. I don’t think we have those midfielders, (which is why he is playing Maatsen in midfield), and even if we did, playing twice a week would be a stretch but achievable. Attackers are going to be straight onto defenders so you need a good platform of mobile players. Pearce and Pratley are not mobile enough. When (if) we have a fully fit squad then I think we do have the players.
I would prefer a 4-5-1 or 3-5-2 at the moment because I believe it would suit the players we do have available, and tighten up the defence and I think Bows should have tried it from the start by now. We would still lack pace in midfield. (and I would still not want Williams to start😉).
All this use of Pratley at RCB and Oshilaja not being used coupled with talk of a new CB being priority, what's Charlie Barker done wrong? He started this season well and has disappeared!
I think we've all been omitting him from our squads! Bowyer included... But surely he should be in/around it!
Heard he's miles off a regular first team player atm
How can he be miles off when he's played a few games and never looked out of place? Odoh who played against West Brom in the cup last season is someone I'd call miles off. No one is expecting him to be a regular but it's surprising he's not been on the bench at all given the situation.
If Barker had been a new signing and turned in the performances he did against Doncaster and Lincoln he would have got pelters.
Rightfully he didnt. Probably for the 1st time in 2 or 3 years we have people not playing, or even making the bench, at all and every single one of them gets better the more often they don't play.
Gilbey was poor in his second game but the longer he was injured the better he got. "As soon as Gilbey is back etc etc. The same has happened to Oshilaja. A lot of people demanding he plays are the same ones that said they hope he never plays again in October. Purrington should" never ware the shirt again" Blackpool away, now the same people wonder why he didn't start at Hull.
Fickle is the word I think.
Unless I'm mistaken Barker was played out of position at right back in those games. He's done fine at centre back.
@Garrymanilow your post on page 61 was bang on fella.
Really can’t see the point in coming on here every day and repeatedly posting how shit you think Bogle is. We get the message. I’m not going to defend him in any way as it’s perfectly clear that for whatever reason it is just not happening for him at Charlton and for both the club and his sake it’s better that he move on, preferably in this window but neither will I waste my time tapping away at my keyboard reiterating the same point over and over and over again. To be honest it seems some people have far too much time on their hands.
@Garrymanilow your post on page 61 was bang on fella.
Really can’t see the point in coming on here every day and repeatedly posting how shit you think Bogle is. We get the message. I’m not going to defend him in any way as it’s perfectly clear that for whatever reason it is just not happening for him at Charlton and for both the club and his sake it’s better that he move on, preferably in this window but neither will I waste my time tapping away at my keyboard reiterating the same point over and over and over again. To be honest it seems some people have far too much time on their hands.
We're in a pandemic mate, can't go for a beer to chat about it
Williams and Maddison need to be on the pitch together from the start. Why you would have these two and not play them is beyond me. We play best when attacking with quick passing, ie against Wimbledon for the final 20 mins.
Could not disagree more. Williams is very poor when he starts a game, but is excellent when he comes on as a sub. It would be nice if when he does come on, Maddison is still on the pitch, especially when we need a goal.
Is he? Did he have a bad game at Portsmouth? Or are you just regurgitating bowyers excuses?
Has Williams started consecutive games this season? He certainly hasn’t been give a fair run and has only played one half at the same time as Maddison and we scored 4 and conceded 0. I think @up_the_valley is spot on
Starting from Wembley I think his best performances have been from the bench, but I realise from the words you use that you don’t like Bowyer (capital B ) or the teams that he picks; and as you now have it in your mind that anyone who does not want Williams to start is not giving their own view, your mind is now closed on the matter. Fine. For the record, for him to be in my starting eleven we would have to be down to the bare bone. Try and find a team sheet of mine that shows him starting.
Glad you agree about Williams and Maddison, which kinda proves my point about him coming on as a sub. As does the performance the last time Williams started a game.
I like bowyer, I just wish he would learn from his mistakes
I would agree with you on that, the trouble is we all have an opinion of what mistakes are being made 🙂. I am not a fan of the diamond or 4-3-3 unless you have the players that can make that work. Both systems put a lot of pressure on the two in the middle of the four and the work required is extreme. I don’t think we have those midfielders, (which is why he is playing Maatsen in midfield), and even if we did, playing twice a week would be a stretch but achievable. Attackers are going to be straight onto defenders so you need a good platform of mobile players. Pearce and Pratley are not mobile enough. When (if) we have a fully fit squad then I think we do have the players.
I would prefer a 4-5-1 or 3-5-2 at the moment because I believe it would suit the players we do have available, and tighten up the defence and I think Bows should have tried it from the start by now. We would still lack pace in midfield. (and I would still not want Williams to start😉).
Bowyer has been playing Pratley at CB and clearly doesn’t rate Deji. No way do we have the players for a 352 when only one CB has been playing.
All this use of Pratley at RCB and Oshilaja not being used coupled with talk of a new CB being priority, what's Charlie Barker done wrong? He started this season well and has disappeared!
I think we've all been omitting him from our squads! Bowyer included... But surely he should be in/around it!
Heard he's miles off a regular first team player atm
How can he be miles off when he's played a few games and never looked out of place? Odoh who played against West Brom in the cup last season is someone I'd call miles off. No one is expecting him to be a regular but it's surprising he's not been on the bench at all given the situation.
If Barker had been a new signing and turned in the performances he did against Doncaster and Lincoln he would have got pelters.
Rightfully he didnt. Probably for the 1st time in 2 or 3 years we have people not playing, or even making the bench, at all and every single one of them gets better the more often they don't play.
Gilbey was poor in his second game but the longer he was injured the better he got. "As soon as Gilbey is back etc etc. The same has happened to Oshilaja. A lot of people demanding he plays are the same ones that said they hope he never plays again in October. Purrington should" never ware the shirt again" Blackpool away, now the same people wonder why he didn't start at Hull.
Fickle is the word I think.
Unless I'm mistaken Barker was played out of position at right back in those games. He's done fine at centre back.
Unless my mind is playing tricks, which is possible, didn't he play right back in the games he played well, the he and Oshilaja swapped after the latter made a balls up for the 2 games he struggled in?
@Garrymanilow your post on page 61 was bang on fella.
Really can’t see the point in coming on here every day and repeatedly posting how shit you think Bogle is. We get the message. I’m not going to defend him in any way as it’s perfectly clear that for whatever reason it is just not happening for him at Charlton and for both the club and his sake it’s better that he move on, preferably in this window but neither will I waste my time tapping away at my keyboard reiterating the same point over and over and over again. To be honest it seems some people have far too much time on their hands.
We're in a pandemic mate, can't go for a beer to chat about it
Well get on Pornhub and have a good old tug. Better for the prostate then repeatedly venting your spleen.
All this use of Pratley at RCB and Oshilaja not being used coupled with talk of a new CB being priority, what's Charlie Barker done wrong? He started this season well and has disappeared!
I think we've all been omitting him from our squads! Bowyer included... But surely he should be in/around it!
Heard he's miles off a regular first team player atm
How can he be miles off when he's played a few games and never looked out of place? Odoh who played against West Brom in the cup last season is someone I'd call miles off. No one is expecting him to be a regular but it's surprising he's not been on the bench at all given the situation.
If Barker had been a new signing and turned in the performances he did against Doncaster and Lincoln he would have got pelters.
Rightfully he didnt. Probably for the 1st time in 2 or 3 years we have people not playing, or even making the bench, at all and every single one of them gets better the more often they don't play.
Gilbey was poor in his second game but the longer he was injured the better he got. "As soon as Gilbey is back etc etc. The same has happened to Oshilaja. A lot of people demanding he plays are the same ones that said they hope he never plays again in October. Purrington should" never ware the shirt again" Blackpool away, now the same people wonder why he didn't start at Hull.
Fickle is the word I think.
Unless I'm mistaken Barker was played out of position at right back in those games. He's done fine at centre back.
Unless my mind is playing tricks, which is possible, didn't he play right back in the games he played well, the he and Oshilaja swapped after the latter made a balls up for the 2 games he struggled in?
I honestly don't remember but if he played well out of position wouldn't that only strengthen the argument that it's surprising he's not been involved?
All this use of Pratley at RCB and Oshilaja not being used coupled with talk of a new CB being priority, what's Charlie Barker done wrong? He started this season well and has disappeared!
I think we've all been omitting him from our squads! Bowyer included... But surely he should be in/around it!
Heard he's miles off a regular first team player atm
How can he be miles off when he's played a few games and never looked out of place? Odoh who played against West Brom in the cup last season is someone I'd call miles off. No one is expecting him to be a regular but it's surprising he's not been on the bench at all given the situation.
If Barker had been a new signing and turned in the performances he did against Doncaster and Lincoln he would have got pelters.
Rightfully he didnt. Probably for the 1st time in 2 or 3 years we have people not playing, or even making the bench, at all and every single one of them gets better the more often they don't play.
Gilbey was poor in his second game but the longer he was injured the better he got. "As soon as Gilbey is back etc etc. The same has happened to Oshilaja. A lot of people demanding he plays are the same ones that said they hope he never plays again in October. Purrington should" never ware the shirt again" Blackpool away, now the same people wonder why he didn't start at Hull.
Fickle is the word I think.
Unless I'm mistaken Barker was played out of position at right back in those games. He's done fine at centre back.
Unless my mind is playing tricks, which is possible, didn't he play right back in the games he played well, the he and Oshilaja swapped after the latter made a balls up for the 2 games he struggled in?
I honestly don't remember but if he played well out of position wouldn't that only strengthen the argument that it's surprising he's not been involved?
Not necessarily no, remember he wasn't even 1st choice for the u23s at the start of the season. He played because he was u18 and we were under the embargo.
What is surprising is that the u23s who were ahead of him haven't even had a sniff of the bench when we had zero fit experienced center halves.
With Oshilaja, what doesn’t make sense is Bowyer trusted him in the Championship at centre back but not at league one level?
I don't think Bowyer ever trusted Deji at CB. He made 25 league appearances last season and only 8 of those were at CB. One of those appearances was for 1 minute at the end of a game and one was for 23 minutes in a shape change. Of the 6 starts, 3 of them were as part of a back three, and he was subbed in two of those games around 60 minutes. He started 3 games as part of a two man central defence, and on 2 of those occasions we were without both Naby and Lockyer. We lost all but one of the games he started at CB, the other one we drew. He played 6 games at RB, 5 at LB and 6 at holding midfield. I think Bowyer respects that he's strong on the ball and has a bit of speed but doesn't trust him to be a safe defender in the middle unless there's two others around him, and that's why he's tried him in so many different positions in an attempt to make the most of his physical attributes.
@Garrymanilow your post on page 61 was bang on fella.
Really can’t see the point in coming on here every day and repeatedly posting how shit you think Bogle is. We get the message. I’m not going to defend him in any way as it’s perfectly clear that for whatever reason it is just not happening for him at Charlton and for both the club and his sake it’s better that he move on, preferably in this window but neither will I waste my time tapping away at my keyboard reiterating the same point over and over and over again. To be honest it seems some people have far too much time on their hands.
We're in a pandemic mate, can't go for a beer to chat about it
Well get on Pornhub and have a good old tug. Better for the prostate then repeatedly venting your spleen.
Not exactly going to take up much of his day though is it?
With Oshilaja, what doesn’t make sense is Bowyer trusted him in the Championship at centre back but not at league one level?
I don't think Bowyer ever trusted Deji at CB. He made 25 league appearances last season and only 8 of those were at CB. One of those appearances was for 1 minute at the end of a game and one was for 23 minutes in a shape change. Of the 6 starts, 3 of them were as part of a back three, and he was subbed in two of those games around 60 minutes. He started 3 games as part of a two man central defence, and on 2 of those occasions we were without both Naby and Lockyer. We lost all but one of the games he started at CB, the other one we drew. He played 6 games at RB, 5 at LB and 6 at holding midfield. I think Bowyer respects that he's strong on the ball and has a bit of speed but doesn't trust him to be a safe defender in the middle unless there's two others around him, and that's why he's tried him in so many different positions in an attempt to make the most of his physical attributes.
I agree with you. But then I think it was bizarre we went in for Matthews and not a right-sided CB. Obviously the benefit of hindsight but with Inniss' injury record it would have made a lot more sense to sign someone like Ben Heneghan and then use Deji primaraily as a RB but also as cover for CB.
@Garrymanilow your post on page 61 was bang on fella.
Really can’t see the point in coming on here every day and repeatedly posting how shit you think Bogle is. We get the message. I’m not going to defend him in any way as it’s perfectly clear that for whatever reason it is just not happening for him at Charlton and for both the club and his sake it’s better that he move on, preferably in this window but neither will I waste my time tapping away at my keyboard reiterating the same point over and over and over again. To be honest it seems some people have far too much time on their hands.
We're in a pandemic mate, can't go for a beer to chat about it
Well get on Pornhub and have a good old tug. Better for the prostate then repeatedly venting your spleen.
Not exactly going to take up much of his day though is it?
@Garrymanilow your post on page 61 was bang on fella.
Really can’t see the point in coming on here every day and repeatedly posting how shit you think Bogle is. We get the message. I’m not going to defend him in any way as it’s perfectly clear that for whatever reason it is just not happening for him at Charlton and for both the club and his sake it’s better that he move on, preferably in this window but neither will I waste my time tapping away at my keyboard reiterating the same point over and over and over again. To be honest it seems some people have far too much time on their hands.
We're in a pandemic mate, can't go for a beer to chat about it
Well get on Pornhub and have a good old tug. Better for the prostate then repeatedly venting your spleen.
I've already completed it- this is lockdown 3 you know!
I don't know why we don't give Bogle a couple of U23 run outs (assuming you can play overage players) to get a goal and build his confidence back up. He's clearly behind Schwartz, Aneke and Washington so isn't going to feature much but no harm in giving him a reserve game.
It's a good shout.
Bogle would do well to.spend some time with Euell and learn from someone who played a similar role at a top level.
I have given up on this thread, I will come back when someone posts some rumours, rather than slating Bogle, which is now three threads this is happening on
Logged on and saw 48 unread posts on this thread whose title is "January 2021 Transfer Targets". So naturally I was expecting some 'rumours' or some copies of tweets about 'rumours'.....but no, just post after post of slagging off Bogle, or discussing Deji and Bowyer. How silly of me to think this thread was about TRANSFER RUMOURS!!! Fucking hell, I've now seen another thread entitled 'Bogle', how many threads does he warrant! Any chance this thread can stick to actual rumours? Just asking!
Logged on and saw 48 unread posts on this thread whose title is "January 2021 Transfer Targets". So naturally I was expecting some 'rumours' or some copies of tweets about 'rumours'.....but no, just post after post of slagging off Bogle, or discussing Deji and Bowyer. How silly of me to think this thread was about TRANSFER RUMOURS!!! Fucking hell, I've now seen another thread entitled 'Bogle', how many threads does he warrant! Any chance this thread can stick to actual rumours? Just asking!
Bogle now has more threads than he does goals. Even by Charlton standards this is quite unique.
All this use of Pratley at RCB and Oshilaja not being used coupled with talk of a new CB being priority, what's Charlie Barker done wrong? He started this season well and has disappeared!
I think we've all been omitting him from our squads! Bowyer included... But surely he should be in/around it!
Heard he's miles off a regular first team player atm
How can he be miles off when he's played a few games and never looked out of place? Odoh who played against West Brom in the cup last season is someone I'd call miles off. No one is expecting him to be a regular but it's surprising he's not been on the bench at all given the situation.
If Barker had been a new signing and turned in the performances he did against Doncaster and Lincoln he would have got pelters.
Rightfully he didnt. Probably for the 1st time in 2 or 3 years we have people not playing, or even making the bench, at all and every single one of them gets better the more often they don't play.
Gilbey was poor in his second game but the longer he was injured the better he got. "As soon as Gilbey is back etc etc. The same has happened to Oshilaja. A lot of people demanding he plays are the same ones that said they hope he never plays again in October. Purrington should" never ware the shirt again" Blackpool away, now the same people wonder why he didn't start at Hull.
Fickle is the word I think.
A handful of fickle people on here being OTT don’t speak for the fan base.
Oshilaja is a decent CB. He’s played shit before but wasn’t we playing him out of position? Also, he’s behind Innis, Famewo, Pearce in the pecking order but with two of those out injured, and himself now being fit, he should be starting. Not Pratley at CB.
I’ve personally never got the Purrington bashing and Gilbey was good before his injury, so i was expecting better things from the latter when he returned.
Your 1st sentence is obviously 100% correct but when it's the same 10 or 20 people commenting on it is right to point out the hypocrisy of it.
"Gilbey was good before his injury" is something I have seen repeated over and over again. He played 2 league games IIRC, one he was slightly better than OK, the other he had a western.
Gilbey was good for MK Don's, and before, but I think "he was good for US, pre injury" is a liberal interpretation of the truth, at best.
You complain that people are revising the truth here but then do it yourself by saying he was “slightly better than OK” against Crewe.
Gilbey vs. Crewe (A) scored 7.41 in the CL Statbank. Second highest mark for any CAFC player behind MoM Alfie Doughty.
The next game he was played out of position and scored 5.69. A big drop off yes but even then, that was still the second highest mark of anyone who pulled on a red shirt that day (Washington scored 6.53). Everyone had a stinker and Gilbey was no exception.
Since he returned, I don’t think he’s got near a top three. That’s the drop off that people are talking about, they didn’t make it up.
We need all the creativity AND goals we can get whilst we are defensively rocky.
A 4-5-1 does not have to be defensive. It depends on how and who you play. Several are calling for Chucks, Maddison and Williams (Millar for me) to start. Will that not mean five midfielders will be playing? If it makes you happy, call it a 4-3-3. But if you think they will all be able to stand around up front waiting for the ball you are madder than mad March hare having mad moment.
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I am not a fan of the diamond or 4-3-3 unless you have the players that can make that work. Both systems put a lot of pressure on the two in the middle of the four and the work required is extreme. I don’t think we have those midfielders, (which is why he is playing Maatsen in midfield), and even if we did, playing twice a week would be a stretch but achievable. Attackers are going to be straight onto defenders so you need a good platform of mobile players. Pearce and Pratley are not mobile enough.
When (if) we have a fully fit squad then I think we do have the players.
We need all the creativity AND goals we can get whilst we are defensively rocky.
Really can’t see the point in coming on here every day and repeatedly posting how shit you think Bogle is. We get the message. I’m not going to defend him in any way as it’s perfectly clear that for whatever reason it is just not happening for him at Charlton and for both the club and his sake it’s better that he move on, preferably in this window but neither will I waste my time tapping away at my keyboard reiterating the same point over and over and over again. To be honest it seems some people have far too much time on their hands.
Well get on Pornhub and have a good old tug. Better for the prostate then repeatedly venting your spleen.
Washington spends a lot of time out wide roaming the channels, not really much difference
What is surprising is that the u23s who were ahead of him haven't even had a sniff of the bench when we had zero fit experienced center halves.
Tantric wank?
Bogle would do well to.spend some time with Euell and learn from someone who played a similar role at a top level.
Targets: I'm not sure sure I want to know
Rumours: Apparently he's watched about 5m videos on Pornhub
Any chance this thread can stick to actual rumours? Just asking!
Even by Charlton standards this is quite unique.
Gilbey vs. Crewe (A) scored 7.41 in the CL Statbank. Second highest mark for any CAFC player behind MoM Alfie Doughty.
The next game he was played out of position and scored 5.69. A big drop off yes but even then, that was still the second highest mark of anyone who pulled on a red shirt that day (Washington scored 6.53). Everyone had a stinker and Gilbey was no exception.
Since he returned, I don’t think he’s got near a top three. That’s the drop off that people are talking about, they didn’t make it up.
We know that the two new signings bought us up to the limit financially. It seems likely but not yet confirmed that Levitt has gone back.
I suspect that we need to move a few more people on first, and that any further transfers in depend on other clubs doing some business first.
Wheels are no doubt turning and phone calls being made but I don't expect to see much business done until towards the end of the month now.