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Summer Transfer Rumours 2020 (DEADLINE DAY from pg.258)
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I am sure Phillips does count as a maximum of, I think, £2k p/w meaning we can bring in another player should he leave. Otherwise you’re saying that the only players that count in the cap are the ones we have signed so far, which is wrong.1
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What happens sometimes is a player at odds with the club kisses and makes up after the window shuts.0
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£2.5k is another player though, that’s the point.killerandflash said:
We've no restriction on numbers, it's the total salary that's the issueSage said:People are forgetting that we will be able to bring in another permanent and senior player once Phillips moves on. As things stand, we are looking at 3 permanent and 3 loans, but that will be 4 permanent and 3 loans should Phillips seal a move away.
Okay it might mean we are a bit short in one or two areas, but I am sure they’ll bring in the best 6 or 7 players they can get.
As Phillips has a pre-dating contract, he only counts as £2.5k, so wouldn't free that much in wages anyway6 -
There’s absolutely no need to get hung up on the systematic problems now we have money. It just means we lose out to a championship club if a player has that offer, but we’ll get the pick of the league one talent that’s for sure being comfortably the biggest London club outside the top two tiers. I can’t see the cap being much of an issue other than we have to look sideways (league one) rather than upwards for players.6
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I think it could well be the case mate... e.g. if Pearce is on £4k he doesnt count towards the cap FOR NOW!!Sage said:I am sure Phillips does count as a maximum of, I think, £2k p/w meaning we can bring in another player should he leave. Otherwise you’re saying that the only players that count in the cap are the ones we have signed so far, which is wrong.
With his deal up in the summer if we want to offer him a new deal we'd only be able to offer him a deal that falls in line with the cap - Same with Doughty, we can offer him what he wants for now as he's an U21 but the moment he gets too old (if god forbid we're still at this level) then that salary impacts the rest of the squad1 -
Spot on.Sage said:People are forgetting that we will be able to bring in another permanent and senior player once Phillips moves on. As things stand, we are looking at 3 permanent and 3 loans, but that will be 4 permanent and 3 loans should Phillips seal a move away.
Okay it might mean we are a bit short in one or two areas, but I am sure they’ll bring in the best 6 or 7 players they can get.0 -
Johnson took the absolute piss out of Doughty at one stage the other weekValleyGary said:I want Matthews but I’d be happy with Johnson from West Ham. Looks a fantastic player from what I’ve seen and played very well away at City last season.0 -
For ALL other clubs it'll be a fine or points deduction that will be implemented during season 29/30. However for Charlton, it'll be immediate expulsion from the League, this season, after having our Golden Ticket removed and all our players given a free transfer to ANY other club they want to go to, with the EFL picking up 50% of their wages!!!!BigRedEvil said:What's the punishment if you exceed the cap?13 -
Think it's a mixture of the two, the first £2k or so of Pearce's wages count towards the wage cap, and if we offer him a new deal it'd have to be in line with the wage cap then.ForeverAddickted said:
I think it could well be the case mate... e.g. if Pearce is on £4k he doesnt count towards the cap FOR NOW!!Sage said:I am sure Phillips does count as a maximum of, I think, £2k p/w meaning we can bring in another player should he leave. Otherwise you’re saying that the only players that count in the cap are the ones we have signed so far, which is wrong.
With his deal up in the summer if we want to offer him a new deal we'd only be able to offer him a deal that falls in line with the cap - Same with Doughty, we can offer him what he wants for now as he's an U21 but the moment he gets too old (if god forbid we're still at this level) then that salary impacts the rest of the squad2 -
Do you see this cap lasting? It’s a good idea, but personally think in the footballing world, it’s far too low in order to compete and then survive enough in the Championship when clubs get promoted.ForeverAddickted said:
I think it could well be the case mate... e.g. if Pearce is on £4k he doesnt count towards the cap FOR NOW!!Sage said:I am sure Phillips does count as a maximum of, I think, £2k p/w meaning we can bring in another player should he leave. Otherwise you’re saying that the only players that count in the cap are the ones we have signed so far, which is wrong.
With his deal up in the summer if we want to offer him a new deal we'd only be able to offer him a deal that falls in line with the cap - Same with Doughty, we can offer him what he wants for now as he's an U21 but the moment he gets too old (if god forbid we're still at this level) then that salary impacts the rest of the squad
£4mil a year is still around £4k a week for 19-20 senior pros. Just makes it that little bit more level.8 -
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Sometimes but not usually too often.MuttleyCAFC said:What happens sometimes is a player at odds with the club kisses and makes up after the window shuts.
In Phillips case, if he's still here when the window shuts, he'll know he needs game time.
He wants to play in the Championship. His issue seems to be about progressing his career rather than just wanting more money.
But it'll be a step backwards for him if he doesn't play at all.
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Yes its certainly needed, especially at this level and actually in some ways it would be great if we saw a top six of Accrington | Charlton | Rochdale | Fleetwood | Portsmouth | CreweSage said:
Do you see this cap lasting? It’s a good idea, but personally think in the footballing world, it’s far too low in order to compete and then survive enough in the Championship when clubs get promoted.ForeverAddickted said:
I think it could well be the case mate... e.g. if Pearce is on £4k he doesnt count towards the cap FOR NOW!!Sage said:I am sure Phillips does count as a maximum of, I think, £2k p/w meaning we can bring in another player should he leave. Otherwise you’re saying that the only players that count in the cap are the ones we have signed so far, which is wrong.
With his deal up in the summer if we want to offer him a new deal we'd only be able to offer him a deal that falls in line with the cap - Same with Doughty, we can offer him what he wants for now as he's an U21 but the moment he gets too old (if god forbid we're still at this level) then that salary impacts the rest of the squad
£4mil a year is still around £4k a week for 19-20 senior pros. Just makes it that little bit more level.
Would mean that the cap has rightfully created a more level playing field when Football shouldnt be dictated by how rich you are as a side
The trouble is its also come in at the wrong level first - FIFA / UEFA need to grow a pair and force every league to implement something starting at the top and then going down... Like you say its great having something in place now but then when we go into the Championship we'll potentially need a massive overhaul of the squad again just to try and survive!! - Get relegated because the gamble didnt pay off and the reverse all but happens again where we maybe have to start selling or releasing players (out of contract) where we already fall foul of the cap
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ForeverAddickted said:Sage said:
Do you see this cap lasting? It’s a good idea, but personally think in the footballing world, it’s far too low in order to compete and then survive enough in the Championship when clubs get promoted.ForeverAddickted said:
I think it could well be the case mate... e.g. if Pearce is on £4k he doesnt count towards the cap FOR NOW!!Sage said:I am sure Phillips does count as a maximum of, I think, £2k p/w meaning we can bring in another player should he leave. Otherwise you’re saying that the only players that count in the cap are the ones we have signed so far, which is wrong.
With his deal up in the summer if we want to offer him a new deal we'd only be able to offer him a deal that falls in line with the cap - Same with Doughty, we can offer him what he wants for now as he's an U21 but the moment he gets too old (if god forbid we're still at this level) then that salary impacts the rest of the squad
£4mil a year is still around £4k a week for 19-20 senior pros. Just makes it that little bit more level.
Would mean that the cap has rightfully created a more level playing field when Football shouldnt be dictated by how rich you are as a side
The EFL should have implemented the cap from the first day of the transfer window, rather than when they did, if they wanted to create a more level playing field.
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Yeah its ridiculous as per what Bowyer says that some teams have been able to strengthen before the Salary Cap has come into placeOggy Red said:
The EFL should have implemented the cap from the first day of the transfer window, rather than when they did, if they wanted to create a more level playing field.ForeverAddickted said:
Would mean that the cap has rightfully created a more level playing field when Football shouldnt be dictated by how rich you are as a sideSage said:
Do you see this cap lasting? It’s a good idea, but personally think in the footballing world, it’s far too low in order to compete and then survive enough in the Championship when clubs get promoted.ForeverAddickted said:
I think it could well be the case mate... e.g. if Pearce is on £4k he doesnt count towards the cap FOR NOW!!Sage said:I am sure Phillips does count as a maximum of, I think, £2k p/w meaning we can bring in another player should he leave. Otherwise you’re saying that the only players that count in the cap are the ones we have signed so far, which is wrong.
With his deal up in the summer if we want to offer him a new deal we'd only be able to offer him a deal that falls in line with the cap - Same with Doughty, we can offer him what he wants for now as he's an U21 but the moment he gets too old (if god forbid we're still at this level) then that salary impacts the rest of the squad
£4mil a year is still around £4k a week for 19-20 senior pros. Just makes it that little bit more level.
Maybe its the paranoid side of me but I wonder if teams have strengthened and then looked at Charlton and Wigan's situations before accepting the changes
Certainly gives them an advantage over us
Although am sure someone with more brains than me will now confirm the cap got agreed before we were relegated?4 -
Vote was on the 7th August, the 3 players who extended all extended before that (in the case of Williams and JFC 1/2 days before that), so depends whether you count them as like being new singings or not reallyForeverAddickted said:
Yeah its ridiculous as per what Bowyer says that some teams have been able to strengthen before the Salary Cap has come into placeOggy Red said:
The EFL should have implemented the cap from the first day of the transfer window, rather than when they did, if they wanted to create a more level playing field.ForeverAddickted said:
Would mean that the cap has rightfully created a more level playing field when Football shouldnt be dictated by how rich you are as a sideSage said:
Do you see this cap lasting? It’s a good idea, but personally think in the footballing world, it’s far too low in order to compete and then survive enough in the Championship when clubs get promoted.ForeverAddickted said:
I think it could well be the case mate... e.g. if Pearce is on £4k he doesnt count towards the cap FOR NOW!!Sage said:I am sure Phillips does count as a maximum of, I think, £2k p/w meaning we can bring in another player should he leave. Otherwise you’re saying that the only players that count in the cap are the ones we have signed so far, which is wrong.
With his deal up in the summer if we want to offer him a new deal we'd only be able to offer him a deal that falls in line with the cap - Same with Doughty, we can offer him what he wants for now as he's an U21 but the moment he gets too old (if god forbid we're still at this level) then that salary impacts the rest of the squad
£4mil a year is still around £4k a week for 19-20 senior pros. Just makes it that little bit more level.
Maybe its the paranoid side of me but I wonder if teams have strengthened and then looked at Charlton and Wigan's situations before accepting the changes
Certainly gives them an advantage over us
Although am sure someone with more brains than me will now confirm the cap got agreed before we were relegated?0 -
Phillips will end up going on the cheap won't he?0
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Yes, that was my point. Maddison is a proven League One player. We are one of the few League One clubs who can get him. Whether we do is whether Bowyer wants him, but we are well placed surely in relation to other League One clubs that are just trying to keep their heads above water.0
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That was me and a very unreliable rumour! I think West Ham are going to let him go if they manage to sign another RB, even then you'd expect him to go to the Championship.ForeverAddickted said:Wonder if the other Right Back is Ben Johnson from West Ham? - He got mentioned on the ITK thread as an option if we decided not to go for Matthews
He's only 20 as well, as per Bowyer's quotes on the first Cawley piece would be excluded from the cap2 -
Yeah I'd be very surprised if it happened, looked a level above us himself when we played themcafcfan1990 said:
That was me and a very unreliable rumour! I think West Ham are going to let him go if they manage to sign another RB, even then you'd expect him to go to the Championship.ForeverAddickted said:Wonder if the other Right Back is Ben Johnson from West Ham? - He got mentioned on the ITK thread as an option if we decided not to go for Matthews
He's only 20 as well, as per Bowyer's quotes on the first Cawley piece would be excluded from the cap0 -
I actually thought Doughty mullered the West Ham right back quite a few times. Not saying he’s no good that’s all I’ve seen of him.4
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It's a stupid way of doing it.Sage said:
Do you see this cap lasting? It’s a good idea, but personally think in the footballing world, it’s far too low in order to compete and then survive enough in the Championship when clubs get promoted.ForeverAddickted said:
I think it could well be the case mate... e.g. if Pearce is on £4k he doesnt count towards the cap FOR NOW!!Sage said:I am sure Phillips does count as a maximum of, I think, £2k p/w meaning we can bring in another player should he leave. Otherwise you’re saying that the only players that count in the cap are the ones we have signed so far, which is wrong.
With his deal up in the summer if we want to offer him a new deal we'd only be able to offer him a deal that falls in line with the cap - Same with Doughty, we can offer him what he wants for now as he's an U21 but the moment he gets too old (if god forbid we're still at this level) then that salary impacts the rest of the squad
£4mil a year is still around £4k a week for 19-20 senior pros. Just makes it that little bit more level.
At £2.5m I doubt there will be any clubs under the limit.
A cap should prevent ridiculous levels of spending but this is just making sure every club is spending the same amount.2 -
Publicly vilified as being a very naughty boy!BigRedEvil said:What's the punishment if you exceed the cap?1 -
Could well be that West Ham are happy to let him drop to League 1 to guarantee 40 odd first team games. Did it with Cullen and it worked out reasonably well for them. Johnson's not 21 until January so we could be a good move for him.1
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Nothing if you have the word Wednesday in your nameBigRedEvil said:What's the punishment if you exceed the cap?7 -
That's all and well good but doesn't work if it's only our league. The playing field will be levelled out in Leagues 1 and 2, but I think you'll just see the gap widening elsewhere. Any club promoted from League 1 is going to struggle to stay in the championship. Relegated teams from the championship will have to make big changes to stay within the rules. I don't dislike the concept of the cap, but the big issue is actually what clubs are paying in the top two divisions. So they are approaching it wrong IMO.ForeverAddickted said:
Yes its certainly needed, especially at this level and actually in some ways it would be great if we saw a top six of Accrington | Charlton | Rochdale | Fleetwood | Portsmouth | CreweSage said:
Do you see this cap lasting? It’s a good idea, but personally think in the footballing world, it’s far too low in order to compete and then survive enough in the Championship when clubs get promoted.ForeverAddickted said:
I think it could well be the case mate... e.g. if Pearce is on £4k he doesnt count towards the cap FOR NOW!!Sage said:I am sure Phillips does count as a maximum of, I think, £2k p/w meaning we can bring in another player should he leave. Otherwise you’re saying that the only players that count in the cap are the ones we have signed so far, which is wrong.
With his deal up in the summer if we want to offer him a new deal we'd only be able to offer him a deal that falls in line with the cap - Same with Doughty, we can offer him what he wants for now as he's an U21 but the moment he gets too old (if god forbid we're still at this level) then that salary impacts the rest of the squad
£4mil a year is still around £4k a week for 19-20 senior pros. Just makes it that little bit more level.
Would mean that the cap has rightfully created a more level playing field when Football shouldnt be dictated by how rich you are as a side
The trouble is its also come in at the wrong level first - FIFA / UEFA need to grow a pair and force every league to implement something starting at the top and then going down... Like you say its great having something in place now but then when we go into the Championship we'll potentially need a massive overhaul of the squad again just to try and survive!! - Get relegated because the gamble didnt pay off and the reverse all but happens again where we maybe have to start selling or releasing players (out of contract) where we already fall foul of the cap5 -
But surely richer teams should be allowed to spend more if they're genuinely richer due to having more fans and thus more income?ForeverAddickted said:
Yes its certainly needed, especially at this level and actually in some ways it would be great if we saw a top six of Accrington | Charlton | Rochdale | Fleetwood | Portsmouth | CreweSage said:
Do you see this cap lasting? It’s a good idea, but personally think in the footballing world, it’s far too low in order to compete and then survive enough in the Championship when clubs get promoted.ForeverAddickted said:
I think it could well be the case mate... e.g. if Pearce is on £4k he doesnt count towards the cap FOR NOW!!Sage said:I am sure Phillips does count as a maximum of, I think, £2k p/w meaning we can bring in another player should he leave. Otherwise you’re saying that the only players that count in the cap are the ones we have signed so far, which is wrong.
With his deal up in the summer if we want to offer him a new deal we'd only be able to offer him a deal that falls in line with the cap - Same with Doughty, we can offer him what he wants for now as he's an U21 but the moment he gets too old (if god forbid we're still at this level) then that salary impacts the rest of the squad
£4mil a year is still around £4k a week for 19-20 senior pros. Just makes it that little bit more level.
Would mean that the cap has rightfully created a more level playing field when Football shouldnt be dictated by how rich you are as a side
The trouble is its also come in at the wrong level first - FIFA / UEFA need to grow a pair and force every league to implement something starting at the top and then going down... Like you say its great having something in place now but then when we go into the Championship we'll potentially need a massive overhaul of the squad again just to try and survive!! - Get relegated because the gamble didnt pay off and the reverse all but happens again where we maybe have to start selling or releasing players (out of contract) where we already fall foul of the cap
If Accrington average 3,000 supporters and Sunderland 30,000, it seems bizarre that both would be restricted to spending the same amount. With the same wage bill, Sunderland could end up possibly stuck in L1, but making a massive profit for the owner.8 -
true, but if you are an up and coming 22 year old, do you play regularly in League 1 on 3k or play championship reserves for 8-10k. There will be no incentive for players to play first team football.addick1956 said:
Most people don't earn 2k-4.5k a week. It is not bad money. The unreal world of Premiershit has made us think that our players are under paid. 4.5K a week is nearly £250,000 a year. Jesus. The alternative is JSA . Football has caused it's own problems in this respect.Sage said:
Do you see this cap lasting? It’s a good idea, but personally think in the footballing world, it’s far too low in order to compete and then survive enough in the Championship when clubs get promoted.ForeverAddickted said:
I think it could well be the case mate... e.g. if Pearce is on £4k he doesnt count towards the cap FOR NOW!!Sage said:I am sure Phillips does count as a maximum of, I think, £2k p/w meaning we can bring in another player should he leave. Otherwise you’re saying that the only players that count in the cap are the ones we have signed so far, which is wrong.
With his deal up in the summer if we want to offer him a new deal we'd only be able to offer him a deal that falls in line with the cap - Same with Doughty, we can offer him what he wants for now as he's an U21 but the moment he gets too old (if god forbid we're still at this level) then that salary impacts the rest of the squad
£4mil a year is still around £4k a week for 19-20 senior pros. Just makes it that little bit more level.
This is shake up time so players need to get real because no gate money will affect all the clubs including the spoiled brats in the top two tiers.1 -
I agree, I think it should be a minimum cap + % of revenue, would work much better.killerandflash said:
But surely richer teams should be allowed to spend more if they're genuinely richer due to having more fans and thus more income?ForeverAddickted said:
Yes its certainly needed, especially at this level and actually in some ways it would be great if we saw a top six of Accrington | Charlton | Rochdale | Fleetwood | Portsmouth | CreweSage said:
Do you see this cap lasting? It’s a good idea, but personally think in the footballing world, it’s far too low in order to compete and then survive enough in the Championship when clubs get promoted.ForeverAddickted said:
I think it could well be the case mate... e.g. if Pearce is on £4k he doesnt count towards the cap FOR NOW!!Sage said:I am sure Phillips does count as a maximum of, I think, £2k p/w meaning we can bring in another player should he leave. Otherwise you’re saying that the only players that count in the cap are the ones we have signed so far, which is wrong.
With his deal up in the summer if we want to offer him a new deal we'd only be able to offer him a deal that falls in line with the cap - Same with Doughty, we can offer him what he wants for now as he's an U21 but the moment he gets too old (if god forbid we're still at this level) then that salary impacts the rest of the squad
£4mil a year is still around £4k a week for 19-20 senior pros. Just makes it that little bit more level.
Would mean that the cap has rightfully created a more level playing field when Football shouldnt be dictated by how rich you are as a side
The trouble is its also come in at the wrong level first - FIFA / UEFA need to grow a pair and force every league to implement something starting at the top and then going down... Like you say its great having something in place now but then when we go into the Championship we'll potentially need a massive overhaul of the squad again just to try and survive!! - Get relegated because the gamble didnt pay off and the reverse all but happens again where we maybe have to start selling or releasing players (out of contract) where we already fall foul of the cap
If Accrington average 3,000 supporters and Sunderland 30,000, it seems bizarre that both would be restricted to spending the same amount. With the same wage bill, Sunderland could end up possibly stuck in L1, but making a massive profit for the owner.14 -
ForeverAddickted said:
Its a shame that Phillips is already on a Contract with usRedrobo said:
Behave. We at least have a club and we are financially sound. Count our blessings.Chunes said:So we're only getting three senior players in. Brilliant. This season is gonna be a wash.
Three senior players along the spine would be significant for our future.Phillips, Doughty, Mathews, Cullen, New striker, New CH. Bows has difficult decisions to make.
I presume if we sell him (to free up say his £5k p/w contract) that doesnt actually free up the £5k for someone else because he's exempt from the Salary CapRed_Chester said:Anyway this thread has gone west....so I’ll send it east...ForeverAddickted said:
The cap is 2.5 mil as I understand it.
Its a shame that Phillips is already on a Contract with usRedrobo said:
Behave. We at least have a club and we are financially sound. Count our blessings.Chunes said:So we're only getting three senior players in. Brilliant. This season is gonna be a wash.
Three senior players along the spine would be significant for our future.Phillips, Doughty, Mathews, Cullen, New striker, New CH. Bows has difficult decisions to make.
I presume if we sell him (to free up say his £5k p/w contract) that doesnt actually free up the £5k for someone else because he's exempt from the Salary Cap
that can be distributed among the players however the club deems to be appropriate.
I may be wrong but it’s not 2k Max per player as I understand it.0 -
You're right, the £2k figure is just the average based on the allowed squad size. Having a few u21's on the books means with have a little bit of room to offer more I suspectCafcSCP said:ForeverAddickted said:
Its a shame that Phillips is already on a Contract with usRedrobo said:
Behave. We at least have a club and we are financially sound. Count our blessings.Chunes said:So we're only getting three senior players in. Brilliant. This season is gonna be a wash.
Three senior players along the spine would be significant for our future.Phillips, Doughty, Mathews, Cullen, New striker, New CH. Bows has difficult decisions to make.
I presume if we sell him (to free up say his £5k p/w contract) that doesnt actually free up the £5k for someone else because he's exempt from the Salary CapRed_Chester said:Anyway this thread has gone west....so I’ll send it east...ForeverAddickted said:
The cap is 2.5 mil as I understand it.
Its a shame that Phillips is already on a Contract with usRedrobo said:
Behave. We at least have a club and we are financially sound. Count our blessings.Chunes said:So we're only getting three senior players in. Brilliant. This season is gonna be a wash.
Three senior players along the spine would be significant for our future.Phillips, Doughty, Mathews, Cullen, New striker, New CH. Bows has difficult decisions to make.
I presume if we sell him (to free up say his £5k p/w contract) that doesnt actually free up the £5k for someone else because he's exempt from the Salary Cap
that can be distributed among the players however the club deems to be appropriate.
I may be wrong but it’s not 2k Max per player as I understand it.0
