Two good signings today. Very pleased - the masterplan appears to be coming together. We have already signed some very good players for this level....there is is a sea change underway following TS's takeover that is most welcome.....hopefully a sign of things to come.
A bit more poke up front and I'll be quietly confident for the season.
Two good signings today, really happy with them and that the defence is now sorted, sets us up nicely for the last 3 days of the window.
I’d be disappointed if Doughty leaves, but would hope we would only let him leave if we could get something lined up to replace him. We have desperately lacked pace in our side and it’s something Bow and Gallen have identified, losing the quickest player at the club would hurt us.
Two players I would like us to sign, but both extremely unlikely for a number of reasons...
John Bostock, I do think he’d be an excellent signing at this level.
The other is Josh Sims. I’ve spoken about young Ellis Simms of Everton but they’ve indicated that he won’t be loaned out yet.
Josh Sims is mainly a winger but can play up front, but hasn’t featured for Southampton’s senior team this season. He’s been with the U23s. Was on loan at NYRB last season and Reading for 6 months the year before.
He would likely be the best player in the league, but also likely not to want to drop to League One. It would be one hell of a loan signing though.
Guessing Bostock can be signed anytime as out of contract? Priority now has to be another striker and potentially a winger or CM. Two more loan slots to use up.
Two good signings today, really happy with them and that the defence is now sorted, sets us up nicely for the last 3 days of the window.
I’d be disappointed if Doughty leaves, but would hope we would only let him leave if we could get something lined up to replace him. We have desperately lacked pace in our side and it’s something Bow and Gallen have identified, losing the quickest player at the club would hurt us.
Two players I would like us to sign, but both extremely unlikely for a number of reasons...
John Bostock, I do think he’d be an excellent signing at this level.
The other is Josh Sims. I’ve spoken about young Ellis Simms of Everton but they’ve indicated that he won’t be loaned out yet.
Josh Sims is mainly a winger but can play up front, but hasn’t featured for Southampton’s senior team this season. He’s been with the U23s. Was on loan at NYRB last season and Reading for 6 months the year before.
He would likely be the best player in the league, but also likely not to want to drop to League One. It would be one hell of a loan signing though.
Guessing Bostock can be signed anytime as out of contract? Priority now has to be another striker and potentially a winger or CM. Two more loan slots to use up.
Agreed. And maybe the longer he goes without a club, as in passed the deadline, the better our chances might be if we are in for him.
There are certainly some very good players available, it’s just whether we could get them to sign and under the cap.
I don’t want to temp fate, but we may have the best squad in the league come Friday.
Everything is shaping up very nicely. On paper, we’ve got a great defence and a great midfield. All we need now is a striker to consistently score.
For the first time in a while we are in position to not carry players. Hoping by January we will be in a position to off load a couple and bring in additional bodies to make us stronger.My only concern is that I’m struggling to see whether the goals are coming from in the midfield. Still got hope that Morgan will be the one to step up and show some consistency this season.
Bowyer said he wanted 5 on Friday. Three have since signed. Imagine another 2 on loan.
One of them must surely be another striker.
Hopefully smith/smyth was just paper talk & with a lot of luck a striker who scores goals will fall into our lap. We need that + another experienced CB. A Gallagher type in midfield would also be nice but don't see that happening.
When you read about Inniss, he doesn't actually sound like a bad lad, pretty sure Palace would have got rid of him sooner if he were:
Inniss had a troubled childhood, as his mother's drug dependency and his father's imprisonment left him to raise his two younger siblings as a teenager.
He has three police cautions: one for a public order offence in 2011, one for common assault in August 2015 and one for being drunk and disorderly and resisting a police constable in March 2015.
On 9 September 2016, Inniss pleaded guilty to assault following an incident in a bar four months earlier; he was sentenced to 14 weeks in prison. He was released three days later after successfully appealing his sentence, which was suspended for 18 months; he was also handed 240 hours unpaid work, a £300 fine, and ordered to take part in a 20-day alcohol rehabilitation course.
Seems to be struggling as a result of his terrible upbringing and childhood being stolen by forced parental duties for his siblings... Given all his struggles he has managed to stay at Palace and earn loans at decent levels.
If Bowyer and Gallen think he's good enough and can manage him, then in them we must trust.
You seem to be suggesting that this excuses his behaviour at 25?
If you are, I don't buy it, his record suggests that he is a nasty piece of work and I would hate to meet him in a pub.
Having said that, if he is a good footballer, I would happily have him as our nasty piece of work, we need more of them.
Suggesting that this offence history indicates that this young man is a ‘nasty piece of work’ is seriously out of order. I’ve worked in the criminal justice system for many years with young offenders and, in fact, his offence record as detailed by dazzler21 if correct, would be entry level offending. The Cautions are all very low level, the assault was appealed successfully indicating no serious harm was perpetrated. The prison sentence was probably the outcome because he resisted arrest. Care needs to be taken when labelling a person because of criminal records, especially offence records relating to teenagers.
Well I stick by my comments. It wasn't a one off and it is an indication.
I don’t want to temp fate, but we may have the best squad in the league come Friday.
Everything is shaping up very nicely. On paper, we’ve got a great defence and a great midfield. All we need now is a striker to consistently score.
This is completely OTT.
one would hope that we have a good squad, but who can honestly say they have seen much of the majority of our new signings?
Maddison and potentially Washington are known quantities at this level. Outside of that we can keep our fingers crossed but realistically who knows what we are gonna get?
How is it completely OTT? Most of the squad are proven League One players, as well as some in the Championship. Im not saying we’ll win the league, I’m not even saying we’ll finish in the top 6.
Take a look at other squads in League One and compare them with ours, it makes for good reading.
All I’m saying is that if we have a good end to the window e.g keep our best players and sign a good striker, we’ll have the tools we need to be successful.
I don’t want to temp fate, but we may have the best squad in the league come Friday.
Everything is shaping up very nicely. On paper, we’ve got a great defence and a great midfield. All we need now is a striker to consistently score.
For the first time in a while we are in position to not carry players. Hoping by January we will be in a position to off load a couple and bring in additional bodies to make us stronger.My only concern is that I’m struggling to see whether the goals are coming from in the midfield. Still got hope that Morgan will be the one to step up and show some consistency this season.
Agreed. We’re now at a point where Morgan may struggle to make the bench if he doesn’t step up.
Two good signings today, really happy with them and that the defence is now sorted, sets us up nicely for the last 3 days of the window.
I’d be disappointed if Doughty leaves, but would hope we would only let him leave if we could get something lined up to replace him. We have desperately lacked pace in our side and it’s something Bow and Gallen have identified, losing the quickest player at the club would hurt us.
Two players I would like us to sign, but both extremely unlikely for a number of reasons...
John Bostock, I do think he’d be an excellent signing at this level.
The other is Josh Sims. I’ve spoken about young Ellis Simms of Everton but they’ve indicated that he won’t be loaned out yet.
Josh Sims is mainly a winger but can play up front, but hasn’t featured for Southampton’s senior team this season. He’s been with the U23s. Was on loan at NYRB last season and Reading for 6 months the year before.
He would likely be the best player in the league, but also likely not to want to drop to League One. It would be one hell of a loan signing though.
Guessing Bostock can be signed anytime as out of contract? Priority now has to be another striker and potentially a winger or CM. Two more loan slots to use up.
Agreed. And maybe the longer he goes without a club, as in passed the deadline, the better our chances might be if we are in for him.
There are certainly some very good players available, it’s just whether we could get them to sign and under the cap.
Think we would work geographically for Bostock. Think he would be a good fit for us.
When you read about Inniss, he doesn't actually sound like a bad lad, pretty sure Palace would have got rid of him sooner if he were:
Inniss had a troubled childhood, as his mother's drug dependency and his father's imprisonment left him to raise his two younger siblings as a teenager.
He has three police cautions: one for a public order offence in 2011, one for common assault in August 2015 and one for being drunk and disorderly and resisting a police constable in March 2015.
On 9 September 2016, Inniss pleaded guilty to assault following an incident in a bar four months earlier; he was sentenced to 14 weeks in prison. He was released three days later after successfully appealing his sentence, which was suspended for 18 months; he was also handed 240 hours unpaid work, a £300 fine, and ordered to take part in a 20-day alcohol rehabilitation course.
Seems to be struggling as a result of his terrible upbringing and childhood being stolen by forced parental duties for his siblings... Given all his struggles he has managed to stay at Palace and earn loans at decent levels.
If Bowyer and Gallen think he's good enough and can manage him, then in them we must trust.
You seem to be suggesting that this excuses his behaviour at 25?
If you are, I don't buy it, his record suggests that he is a nasty piece of work and I would hate to meet him in a pub.
Having said that, if he is a good footballer, I would happily have him as our nasty piece of work, we need more of them.
Suggesting that this offence history indicates that this young man is a ‘nasty piece of work’ is seriously out of order. I’ve worked in the criminal justice system for many years with young offenders and, in fact, his offence record as detailed by dazzler21 if correct, would be entry level offending. The Cautions are all very low level, the assault was appealed successfully indicating no serious harm was perpetrated. The prison sentence was probably the outcome because he resisted arrest. Care needs to be taken when labelling a person because of criminal records, especially offence records relating to teenagers.
Well I stick by my comments. It wasn't a one off and it is an indication.
He wasn't a teenager for all offences.
Yes, but given his childhood, it's not surprising that he has had issues in his life; anyone would in that position. There is a legacy with such things that is not easily overcome - it takes a very strong person to do so. Hopefully he can use his fresh start with us as a positive impetus, I certainly hope so. Good luck to him.
When you read about Inniss, he doesn't actually sound like a bad lad, pretty sure Palace would have got rid of him sooner if he were:
Inniss had a troubled childhood, as his mother's drug dependency and his father's imprisonment left him to raise his two younger siblings as a teenager.
He has three police cautions: one for a public order offence in 2011, one for common assault in August 2015 and one for being drunk and disorderly and resisting a police constable in March 2015.
On 9 September 2016, Inniss pleaded guilty to assault following an incident in a bar four months earlier; he was sentenced to 14 weeks in prison. He was released three days later after successfully appealing his sentence, which was suspended for 18 months; he was also handed 240 hours unpaid work, a £300 fine, and ordered to take part in a 20-day alcohol rehabilitation course.
Seems to be struggling as a result of his terrible upbringing and childhood being stolen by forced parental duties for his siblings... Given all his struggles he has managed to stay at Palace and earn loans at decent levels.
If Bowyer and Gallen think he's good enough and can manage him, then in them we must trust.
You seem to be suggesting that this excuses his behaviour at 25?
If you are, I don't buy it, his record suggests that he is a nasty piece of work and I would hate to meet him in a pub.
Having said that, if he is a good footballer, I would happily have him as our nasty piece of work, we need more of them.
You don't think your future behaviour results from past life events and trauma?
Okay then.
If he is punching my lights out I don't give a shit about his background, I am more concerned about the trauma he is causing me at that time.
Replace Doughty with Washington (which may be forced upon us, but some would say is preferable), then that starting 10 outfielders contains a total of zero players who started for us last year. (Even Amos could be considered “new” in a way) If those 10 signings are really all walking straight into the first team, then I’d say that suggests a successful window.
When you read about Inniss, he doesn't actually sound like a bad lad, pretty sure Palace would have got rid of him sooner if he were:
Inniss had a troubled childhood, as his mother's drug dependency and his father's imprisonment left him to raise his two younger siblings as a teenager.
He has three police cautions: one for a public order offence in 2011, one for common assault in August 2015 and one for being drunk and disorderly and resisting a police constable in March 2015.
On 9 September 2016, Inniss pleaded guilty to assault following an incident in a bar four months earlier; he was sentenced to 14 weeks in prison. He was released three days later after successfully appealing his sentence, which was suspended for 18 months; he was also handed 240 hours unpaid work, a £300 fine, and ordered to take part in a 20-day alcohol rehabilitation course.
Seems to be struggling as a result of his terrible upbringing and childhood being stolen by forced parental duties for his siblings... Given all his struggles he has managed to stay at Palace and earn loans at decent levels.
If Bowyer and Gallen think he's good enough and can manage him, then in them we must trust.
You seem to be suggesting that this excuses his behaviour at 25?
If you are, I don't buy it, his record suggests that he is a nasty piece of work and I would hate to meet him in a pub.
Having said that, if he is a good footballer, I would happily have him as our nasty piece of work, we need more of them.
Suggesting that this offence history indicates that this young man is a ‘nasty piece of work’ is seriously out of order. I’ve worked in the criminal justice system for many years with young offenders and, in fact, his offence record as detailed by dazzler21 if correct, would be entry level offending. The Cautions are all very low level, the assault was appealed successfully indicating no serious harm was perpetrated. The prison sentence was probably the outcome because he resisted arrest. Care needs to be taken when labelling a person because of criminal records, especially offence records relating to teenagers.
Well I stick by my comments. It wasn't a one off and it is an indication.
He wasn't a teenager for all offences.
Troy Deeney is an example of a player who committed a violent offence, served time and went on to have successful career. There are other examples The guy deserves a chance.
Bowyer said he wanted 5 on Friday. Three have since signed. Imagine another 2 on loan.
One of them must surely be another striker.
Hopefully smith/smyth was just paper talk & with a lot of luck a striker who scores goals will fall into our lap. We need that + another experienced CB. A Gallagher type in midfield would also be nice but don't see that happening.
Smyth is a winger, signing him wouldn’t mean we’re not looking to bring a striker in. Bowyer even confirmed in January 2019 Smyth was a player on our list, so he clearly rates him.
Without a goal scoring forward we will not get promoted. If Sandgaard is serious about promotion this season he needs to take his chequebook out and make an offer to somebody they cannot refuse (He can take Inniss with him to help with the negotiation)
Without a goal scoring forward we will not get promoted. If Sandgaard is serious about promotion this season he needs to take his chequebook out and make an offer to somebody they cannot refuse (He can take Inniss with him to help with the negotiation)
Is he using the cheque book to pay the wages and transfer fee of this magical goalscoring forward or is it to pay the massive fine from the EFL? Not to mention the probable points deduction.
When you read about Inniss, he doesn't actually sound like a bad lad, pretty sure Palace would have got rid of him sooner if he were:
Inniss had a troubled childhood, as his mother's drug dependency and his father's imprisonment left him to raise his two younger siblings as a teenager.
He has three police cautions: one for a public order offence in 2011, one for common assault in August 2015 and one for being drunk and disorderly and resisting a police constable in March 2015.
On 9 September 2016, Inniss pleaded guilty to assault following an incident in a bar four months earlier; he was sentenced to 14 weeks in prison. He was released three days later after successfully appealing his sentence, which was suspended for 18 months; he was also handed 240 hours unpaid work, a £300 fine, and ordered to take part in a 20-day alcohol rehabilitation course.
Seems to be struggling as a result of his terrible upbringing and childhood being stolen by forced parental duties for his siblings... Given all his struggles he has managed to stay at Palace and earn loans at decent levels.
If Bowyer and Gallen think he's good enough and can manage him, then in them we must trust.
You seem to be suggesting that this excuses his behaviour at 25?
If you are, I don't buy it, his record suggests that he is a nasty piece of work and I would hate to meet him in a pub.
Having said that, if he is a good footballer, I would happily have him as our nasty piece of work, we need more of them.
Suggesting that this offence history indicates that this young man is a ‘nasty piece of work’ is seriously out of order. I’ve worked in the criminal justice system for many years with young offenders and, in fact, his offence record as detailed by dazzler21 if correct, would be entry level offending. The Cautions are all very low level, the assault was appealed successfully indicating no serious harm was perpetrated. The prison sentence was probably the outcome because he resisted arrest. Care needs to be taken when labelling a person because of criminal records, especially offence records relating to teenagers.
Well I stick by my comments. It wasn't a one off and it is an indication.
He wasn't a teenager for all offences.
Troy Deeney is an example of a player who committed a violent offence, served time and went on to have successful career. There are other examples The guy deserves a chance.
No. Let's write him off before he's kicked a ball.
People don't deserve a second chance in life. In fact line them up against a wall and shoot them all.
We need a young Duncan Ferguson up front to go with Bogle. Running down the middle of Charlton would be like the tunnel of death with Pratley, Watson, Inness and Pearce.
When you read about Inniss, he doesn't actually sound like a bad lad, pretty sure Palace would have got rid of him sooner if he were:
Inniss had a troubled childhood, as his mother's drug dependency and his father's imprisonment left him to raise his two younger siblings as a teenager.
He has three police cautions: one for a public order offence in 2011, one for common assault in August 2015 and one for being drunk and disorderly and resisting a police constable in March 2015.
On 9 September 2016, Inniss pleaded guilty to assault following an incident in a bar four months earlier; he was sentenced to 14 weeks in prison. He was released three days later after successfully appealing his sentence, which was suspended for 18 months; he was also handed 240 hours unpaid work, a £300 fine, and ordered to take part in a 20-day alcohol rehabilitation course.
Seems to be struggling as a result of his terrible upbringing and childhood being stolen by forced parental duties for his siblings... Given all his struggles he has managed to stay at Palace and earn loans at decent levels.
If Bowyer and Gallen think he's good enough and can manage him, then in them we must trust.
You seem to be suggesting that this excuses his behaviour at 25?
If you are, I don't buy it, his record suggests that he is a nasty piece of work and I would hate to meet him in a pub.
Having said that, if he is a good footballer, I would happily have him as our nasty piece of work, we need more of them.
Suggesting that this offence history indicates that this young man is a ‘nasty piece of work’ is seriously out of order. I’ve worked in the criminal justice system for many years with young offenders and, in fact, his offence record as detailed by dazzler21 if correct, would be entry level offending. The Cautions are all very low level, the assault was appealed successfully indicating no serious harm was perpetrated. The prison sentence was probably the outcome because he resisted arrest. Care needs to be taken when labelling a person because of criminal records, especially offence records relating to teenagers.
Well I stick by my comments. It wasn't a one off and it is an indication.
He wasn't a teenager for all offences.
Troy Deeney is an example of a player who committed a violent offence, served time and went on to have successful career. There are other examples The guy deserves a chance.
No. Let's write him off before he's kicked a ball.
People don't deserve a second chance in life. In fact line them up against a wall and shoot them all.
Yep, that seems to be the attitude of some people. A bit shortsighted IMO. Lacks empathy.
When you read about Inniss, he doesn't actually sound like a bad lad, pretty sure Palace would have got rid of him sooner if he were:
Inniss had a troubled childhood, as his mother's drug dependency and his father's imprisonment left him to raise his two younger siblings as a teenager.
He has three police cautions: one for a public order offence in 2011, one for common assault in August 2015 and one for being drunk and disorderly and resisting a police constable in March 2015.
On 9 September 2016, Inniss pleaded guilty to assault following an incident in a bar four months earlier; he was sentenced to 14 weeks in prison. He was released three days later after successfully appealing his sentence, which was suspended for 18 months; he was also handed 240 hours unpaid work, a £300 fine, and ordered to take part in a 20-day alcohol rehabilitation course.
Seems to be struggling as a result of his terrible upbringing and childhood being stolen by forced parental duties for his siblings... Given all his struggles he has managed to stay at Palace and earn loans at decent levels.
If Bowyer and Gallen think he's good enough and can manage him, then in them we must trust.
You seem to be suggesting that this excuses his behaviour at 25?
If you are, I don't buy it, his record suggests that he is a nasty piece of work and I would hate to meet him in a pub.
Having said that, if he is a good footballer, I would happily have him as our nasty piece of work, we need more of them.
Suggesting that this offence history indicates that this young man is a ‘nasty piece of work’ is seriously out of order. I’ve worked in the criminal justice system for many years with young offenders and, in fact, his offence record as detailed by dazzler21 if correct, would be entry level offending. The Cautions are all very low level, the assault was appealed successfully indicating no serious harm was perpetrated. The prison sentence was probably the outcome because he resisted arrest. Care needs to be taken when labelling a person because of criminal records, especially offence records relating to teenagers.
Well I stick by my comments. It wasn't a one off and it is an indication.
He wasn't a teenager for all offences.
Troy Deeney is an example of a player who committed a violent offence, served time and went on to have successful career. There are other examples The guy deserves a chance.
No. Let's write him off before he's kicked a ball.
People don't deserve a second chance in life. In fact line them up against a wall and shoot them all.
Yep, that seems to be the attitude of some people. A bit shortsighted IMO. Lacks empathy.
The amount of empathy will have a direct correlation with how well he plays
There's been 7 new signings in the past couple of weeks or so. Added to 3 pre-season newcomers that's a lot of new faces.
No doubt there's a couple more to come, whether or not anybody else departs, which might free up another squad place or 2, wage cap permitting. It's a pretty thorough squad rebuild.
Chris Powell did something very similar for our title winning promotion team. But he was able to get most of his business done early - and soon took the squad on a pre-season trip away for team bonding.
Bow can't do that of course.
How long before they are all settled in and building team spirit? I do hope we can soon hit the ground running.
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A bit more poke up front and I'll be quietly confident for the season.
There are certainly some very good players available, it’s just whether we could get them to sign and under the cap.
He wasn't a teenager for all offences.
Redemption is possible, even for Palace players!
He has a choice, just like everyone else.
If those 10 signings are really all walking straight into the first team, then I’d say that suggests a successful window.
Bowyer said he's lost 12 before Bonne was sold. Count him in then we've lost 13?
People don't deserve a second chance in life. In fact line them up against a wall and shoot them all.
Added to 3 pre-season newcomers that's a lot of new faces.
No doubt there's a couple more to come, whether or not anybody else departs, which might free up another squad place or 2, wage cap permitting.
It's a pretty thorough squad rebuild.
Chris Powell did something very similar for our title winning promotion team.
But he was able to get most of his business done early - and soon took the squad on a pre-season trip away for team bonding.
Bow can't do that of course.
How long before they are all settled in and building team spirit?
I do hope we can soon hit the ground running.
Not that we can use it now, it'll help us next summer if we're back in the Championship.