Clubs like Dinamo Bucharest or Standard Liege for that matter might have bigger world football profiles than Charlton Athletic because of their perennial involvement in European competitions but it’s the Premier League where the big bucks are. In any “network” or single ownership pyramid of clubs having the ability to reach the PL will always make that club the most likely focus for investment.
Edit : The exit of the UK from the EU will severely hamper the ability of British clubs to get non international players from other European countries. Makes the network idea much harder to work to the point of why bother.
@Cosmin, I'd be interested to learn more about Dinamo's finances, so that we could understand why HE Nimer might be interested. Actually we had a Rapid fan contacting us a few weeks ago and I learnt a bit from him about Romanian football. Anyway, in Dinamo's case, do you know:
- who owns the stadium? Probably NOT the club, am I right? So any new owner of Dinamo would not be purchasing the stadium or land? - what are your typical attendances, and how much do fans typically pay, to see a game? - Do you think that even FCSB have to sell their best players, just to keep afloat? Or is it possible for a club to be profitable, if it is well-run?
Don't worry, if you are not really into the business of football; but some of us try to take an interest, because we learnt the hard way over the years that if you don't, you might wake up and find someone stole your club. Which, it seems, you already know to be true.
I will try to answer to all of your questions the best i can .
1.the stadium is owned by the Minister of Internal Affairs (the owner of the club in comunist era)and it’s not for sell.nobody can buy or do something there without a guvernamental decision. Now they are trying to built a new one cause this is a old comunist disaster but bureaucracy and some illegalities in documents put this on hold. Right now they are building new stadiums for Steaua and Rapid , Dinamo is on hold , unfortunately. the new owner will get the training base wich is located near Bucharest. They have a mini hotel there and two training fields.
2. If the team will get a new stadium like is promised i think somewhere between 10k-15k per game. the big games with FCSB (ex-steaua) are played on National Arena and we have minimum 40k fans in attendance. Right now the ticket prices are low , nobody’s coming to the stadium. 5-10 euro a ticket...ori something like that.
3.yes if the club si well run is profitable. FCSB is run by a mad man , Gigi Becali...is like Trump on steroids , and is profitable. He bought Steaua 2003 but he didn’t bought the mark (name , emblem). they sued him and he lost. He changed the team name in F.C FCSB and real steaua is now in the 4th division. He will have a big problem when the real team will promote to first League. The salary budget at FCSB is somewhere near 4.500.000/year. He get around 3.600.000 from television ... another 2.500.000 form sponsors. If he qualifies in Europa League Groups he get 12.000.000 euros , if not he sell a player. In the last 7 years he got around 35.000.000 Euros from player sells. And spend around 12.000.000 on buys.
if you administrate the club well is hard to lose money. the goal is to qualify in european groups , and then you really make money.
Saw that sports item earlier. Not clear at all why he'd want to buy Dinamo; a poorly run club, potential relegation fodder, ramshackle, rundown Communist era stadium and seriously dubious finances going back through a variety of 'dodgy' owners over many years. To the best of my knowledge there is also no League oversight whatsoever here on the club purchases, finances etc. Charlton and Dinamo would currently be complete polar opposites by any measure.
Clubs like Dinamo Bucharest or Standard Liege for that matter might have bigger world football profiles than Charlton Athletic because of their perennial involvement in European competitions but it’s the Premier League where the big bucks are. In any “network” or single ownership pyramid of clubs having the ability to reach the PL will always make that club the most likely focus for investment.
Edit : The exit of the UK from the EU will severely hamper the ability of British clubs to get non international players from other European countries. Makes the network idea much harder to work to the point of why bother.
Keep to topic please, twice today Charlton threads have been re-routed with Millwall stuff. No more please
Apologies. Not sure it warrants the deletion of a small number of harmless posts, but each to their own.
Afka is a bit ott when it comes to that, bog down the forum with thread after thread after thread on rate my plates that's ok, but a couple of comments go of topic and he quickly deletes(yet he has gone of topic a number of times but obviously he is moderator so that's allowed lol)
@Big_Bad_World is a good lad. A lot of us love him on here.
Zzzzzzzzzzzz how many would have come under Corbyns tax bollox
Not sure if this is directed at my post but I’m not trying to make a political point. All I’m saying is that after the UK leaves the EU that footballers from the EU will need to satisfy our new immigration requirements just like footballers from outside the EU currently do.
Clubs like Dinamo Bucharest or Standard Liege for that matter might have bigger world football profiles than Charlton Athletic because of their perennial involvement in European competitions but it’s the Premier League where the big bucks are. In any “network” or single ownership pyramid of clubs having the ability to reach the PL will always make that club the most likely focus for investment.
Edit : The exit of the UK from the EU will severely hamper the ability of British clubs to get non international players from other European countries. Makes the network idea much harder to work to the point of why bother.
Thanks a lot, @Cosmin, that's great. I was going to ask you about the TV money, but thought it was a bit too much for one question, so that really helps.
You've made a really interesting point with those figures. Everyone goes on about the FAPL being where the money is, well yes there is lots of money, but until recently very few clubs were actually profitable. In the (so-called) Championship no club is profitable. One of he reasons is that the costs are so high. FCSB is running on the same cost budget as AFC Wimbledon in League One!!! But AFCW don't get anything like that TV money, and they certainly won't get into the Europa League!!
So what your figures show, is what I suspected. One might more easily make a profitable club of Dinamo than of Charlton. But the lure of the FAPL is what brings them all here, the huge turnover, and nowadays profit, because there is so much TV money you have to be a massive idiot not to turn a profit. And of course the global stage, which i am sure is particularly what attracts Middle Eastern buyers.
Well, I guess it will become clearer soon about him and Dinamo.
Here's another question. If it is bullshit, who might be spreading the story? Do you think that woman could be behind it? What would she or anyone hope to gain by doing so?
@PragueAddick , I don’t know who and what might gain from this story. There was many dodgy buyers for Dinamo in the last couple of years...but they were so obviously fake that we spotted them. This time we thought that is another fake news about our team. Last year was another discussion about an EAU investment fund who wanted to buy Dinamo but it never came to reality. now they are saying this is the same Investement Fund that tried to buy the club but after negotiations failed they’ve buyed Charlton. I don’t know why they are involved in this with this shady guy , Florica , it’s a little dubious. But maybe I don’t see the bigger picture.
if they invest wisely they will make good money. but right know Dinamo needs a lot of money... and to be honest I don’t have faith in this Investment Funds from Saudi or Emirates...they don’t care about our teams and if the things don’t work they don’t give a shit,is just business for them. like a factory or a store , if it dosent make money they close it and move on. i am really afraid of this scenario
@PragueAddick, i hope everything will be ok for our teams , and we gone meet every year to play a friendly game we like to think that they are buying for our beautiful supporters , and i will let you a link or two if is not a big problem : https://youtu.be/UR_lORQ8R0M or https://youtu.be/COO-2oW2-5g Not the best videos , but you will make an idea.
i know that is just a business for them , but i hope they know that this is our passion and they will treat it with care.
@Cosmin that is pretty impressive. George T. on the bench for that one, I see. I guess that is the national stadium - and it looks like it has a retractable roof, is that right? That must make quite a racket, then.
Keep us posted, whether it goes ahead, or if it turns out to be fake. If it goes through, we have experience of being part of a network, and of course it wasn't good, but it seems that the Manchester City owners have several other club but they all seem to be allowed to flourish in their own way, as far as we know. So, good luck!
@PragueAddick , yes its a retractable roof , is a new stadium.
yes , i will gave you updates when they appear here , but right now the genereal opinion is : ‘ fake news’. i dont see this with good eyes , but hey , what do i know. last year there were rumors that Ronald will buy Dinamo...so i guess we dodged that bullet.
p.s : where did you see Tucudean on bench ? He appeared in one of the videos?
@PragueAddick , yes its a retractable roof , is a new stadium.
yes , i will gave you updates when they appear here , but right now the genereal opinion is : ‘ fake news’. i dont see this with good eyes , but hey , what do i know. last year there were rumors that Ronald will buy Dinamo...so i guess we dodged that bullet.
p.s : where did you see Tucudean on bench ? He appeared in one of the videos?
In an interview for MBC TV, Tahnoon Nimer said that he "is having final negotiations for buying Dinamo from Romania", he posted the video on his instagram account: https://www.instagram.com/p/B7Vhl2ihZwIL0Z6WuqvfV_xPgImmIZyE8ezfSs0/ , there are no english subtitles but you can clearly hear him say "Dinamo" and "Romania",
This is like lying in a hospital bed a couple of months after your honeymoon and seeing your missus has changed her relationship status to "up for anything".
Where do we attract these freakish owners.
Have been uber positive about this mob up until now but this is bollocks.
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1.the stadium is owned by the Minister of Internal Affairs (the owner of the club in comunist era)and it’s not for sell.nobody can buy or do something there without a guvernamental decision. Now they are trying to built a new one cause this is a old comunist disaster but bureaucracy and some illegalities in documents put this on hold. Right now they are building new stadiums for Steaua and Rapid , Dinamo is on hold , unfortunately.
the new owner will get the training base wich is located near Bucharest. They have a mini hotel there and two training fields.
2. If the team will get a new stadium like is promised i think somewhere between 10k-15k per game.
the big games with FCSB (ex-steaua) are played on National Arena and we have minimum 40k fans in attendance.
Right now the ticket prices are low , nobody’s coming to the stadium. 5-10 euro a ticket...ori something like that.
3.yes if the club si well run is profitable. FCSB is run by a mad man , Gigi Becali...is like Trump on steroids , and is profitable. He bought Steaua 2003 but he didn’t bought the mark (name , emblem).
they sued him and he lost. He changed the team name in F.C FCSB and real steaua is now in the 4th division. He will have a big problem when the real team will promote to first League.
The salary budget at FCSB is somewhere near 4.500.000/year. He get around 3.600.000 from television ... another 2.500.000 form sponsors.
If he qualifies in Europa League Groups he get 12.000.000 euros , if not he sell a player.
In the last 7 years he got around 35.000.000 Euros from player sells. And spend around 12.000.000 on buys.
if you administrate the club well is hard to lose money. the goal is to qualify in european groups , and then you really make money.
@Big_Bad_World is a good lad. A lot of us love him on here.
https://latitudelaw.com/news/the-fas-policy-on-non-eu-football-players-and-possible-implications-following-brexit/
You've made a really interesting point with those figures. Everyone goes on about the FAPL being where the money is, well yes there is lots of money, but until recently very few clubs were actually profitable. In the (so-called) Championship no club is profitable. One of he reasons is that the costs are so high. FCSB is running on the same cost budget as AFC Wimbledon in League One!!! But AFCW don't get anything like that TV money, and they certainly won't get into the Europa League!!
So what your figures show, is what I suspected. One might more easily make a profitable club of Dinamo than of Charlton. But the lure of the FAPL is what brings them all here, the huge turnover, and nowadays profit, because there is so much TV money you have to be a massive idiot not to turn a profit. And of course the global stage, which i am sure is particularly what attracts Middle Eastern buyers.
Well, I guess it will become clearer soon about him and Dinamo.
Here's another question. If it is bullshit, who might be spreading the story? Do you think that woman could be behind it? What would she or anyone hope to gain by doing so?
Or failing that, Rich Crawley, who seems to be, you know, actually active.
Make sure you keep on topic and talk about Tahnoon buying Dinamo or daddy will come along and remove comments and spank our bum bums again
now they are saying this is the same Investement Fund that tried to buy the club but after negotiations failed they’ve buyed Charlton.
I don’t know why they are involved in this with this shady guy , Florica , it’s a little dubious. But maybe I don’t see the bigger picture.
if they invest wisely they will make good money. but right know Dinamo needs a lot of money...
and to be honest I don’t have faith in this Investment Funds from Saudi or Emirates...they don’t care about our teams and if the things don’t work they don’t give a shit,is just business for them.
like a factory or a store , if it dosent make money they close it and move on.
i am really afraid of this scenario
we like to think that they are buying for our beautiful supporters , and i will let you a link or two if is not a big problem : https://youtu.be/UR_lORQ8R0M or https://youtu.be/COO-2oW2-5g
Not the best videos , but you will make an idea.
i know that is just a business for them , but i hope they know that this is our passion and they will treat it with care.
Keep us posted, whether it goes ahead, or if it turns out to be fake. If it goes through, we have experience of being part of a network, and of course it wasn't good, but it seems that the Manchester City owners have several other club but they all seem to be allowed to flourish in their own way, as far as we know. So, good luck!
yes , i will gave you updates when they appear here , but right now the genereal opinion is : ‘ fake news’.
i dont see this with good eyes , but hey , what do i know.
last year there were rumors that Ronald will buy Dinamo...so i guess we dodged that bullet.
p.s : where did you see Tucudean on bench ? He appeared in one of the videos?
Where do we attract these freakish owners.
Have been uber positive about this mob up until now but this is bollocks.