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Star Wars - The Rise Of Skywalker

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  • stonemuse said:

    Looks terrific 
    I wonder what @DaveMehmet thinks about the sneaky shot of Kylo Ren using a double ended lightsaber in the trailer?!?
  • PopIcon said:
    I'm torn by this.
    The last film was just an embarrassment. 
    I'll resent going to watch the next one at the cinema, but I'll go because if what star wars was, not what it has become.
    Why do you feel embarrassed?
    The prequels weren't great, but got better.
    When Disney took over they made a decent job of The Force Awakens, it was an enjoyable nod to the original.

    Then Roogue One, the first Disney spin off was slow to start, but was one the best star wars films ever made. This set up big hopes for The Last Jedi.

    The start was painfully unfunny. That girl they brought in as Finns girlfriend offered nothing. They decided Leah could fly through space. Snoke was killed off too early without fully telling his story. The whole casino thing was pointless and Luke's story was all wrong.

    There were several points in the film that were setting up really good plots, but they were never followed through and the whole star wars universe was undermined

    It felt that i was listening to a singer refusing to admit his best days were gone, convinced his new material was better than the classics that made his name. 

    The film was just embarrassing to watch, the hardest part was the prospect of a further film. Star wars shouldn't evoke these emotions.

    I've only watched it once and didn't bother with Solo.














    This has touched a  nerve.
    Not to mention Mark Hamill has said himself that he didnt like TLJ; basically sees the Luke Skywalker he played in it as a different character to the person he played in the originals as believed that the character would never have behaved that way

    Says it all when the actors are coming out with comments like that

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/2017/12/22/mark-hamill-admits-doesnt-like-luke-skywalker-last-jedi/
     Hamill has always been a bit of a Joker. I am yet to see TLJ, no reason other than it won't come to Netflix, NowTv or Prime. 

    So unless it's on TV and I luckily spot it on a rare occasion I'm watching live TV, I probably won't see it.


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    stonemuse said:

    Looks terrific 
    I wonder what @DaveMehmet thinks about the sneaky shot of Kylo Ren using a double ended lightsaber in the trailer?!?

    It'll make Rey's eyes water.
  • Prequels were an amazing concept - the fall of a Jedi master into darkness, told with the backdrop of a democratic republic crumbling into an imperial despot - excecuted hilariously poorly. 

    I dont really know what the concept is for these new sequels, but my guess it’s that nobody is special, but can do special things. I’m guessing also the “rise of skywalker” is referring to a new order, that contains both light and dark and can contain people who aren’t necessarily force sensitive, called a “skywalker”.
  • Prequels were an amazing concept - the fall of a Jedi master into darkness, told with the backdrop of a democratic republic crumbling into an imperial despot - excecuted hilariously poorly. 

    I dont really know what the concept is for these new sequels, but my guess it’s that nobody is special, but can do special things. I’m guessing also the “rise of skywalker” is referring to a new order, that contains both light and dark and can contain people who aren’t necessarily force sensitive, called a “skywalker”.
    Exactly. When you see a lot of the story beats written down it sounds amazing. None of it ever really added up in detail though. Even the timeline is fecked. In the originals the Jedi are meant to be this ancient forgotten order in a world where people don't even believe in the Force anymore, when as of the prequels the Jedi were helping run things in the capital of the galaxy from their mega temple and leading a universe-wide war less than 20 years prior. Obi-Wan was only 57 when he died! Granted this time hole was created in Empire but you could always ignore that when you weren't given hours and hours of prequel film to think it over.
  • PopIcon said:
    I'm torn by this.
    The last film was just an embarrassment. 
    I'll resent going to watch the next one at the cinema, but I'll go because if what star wars was, not what it has become.
    Why do you feel embarrassed?
    The prequels weren't great, but got better.
    When Disney took over they made a decent job of The Force Awakens, it was an enjoyable nod to the original.

    Then Roogue One, the first Disney spin off was slow to start, but was one the best star wars films ever made. This set up big hopes for The Last Jedi.

    The start was painfully unfunny. That girl they brought in as Finns girlfriend offered nothing. They decided Leah could fly through space. Snoke was killed off too early without fully telling his story. The whole casino thing was pointless and Luke's story was all wrong.

    There were several points in the film that were setting up really good plots, but they were never followed through and the whole star wars universe was undermined

    It felt that i was listening to a singer refusing to admit his best days were gone, convinced his new material was better than the classics that made his name. 

    The film was just embarrassing to watch, the hardest part was the prospect of a further film. Star wars shouldn't evoke these emotions.

    I've only watched it once and didn't bother with Solo.














    This has touched a  nerve.
    I dont think you have touched a nerve, well certainly not with me. Star Wars, just like any other stories told will be perceived subjectively. I actually agree with some of your points, the bit at the start, the middle bit at the casino and how they killed Snoke off.

    Mark Hamill's opinion is no more relevant than mine or yours. 


  • Disappointed that Jaja Binks wasn't included in that montage. 


  • Disappointed that Jaja Binks wasn't included in that montage. 
    That’ll be just you and the marketing people then. 


  • Disappointed that Jaja Binks wasn't included in that montage. 
    That’ll be just you and the marketing people then. 

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  • I hope everybody can take a deep breath and weigh up the love or hate factor until they have seen TROS (whole series and sequel trilogy).

    Totally respect everybody’s views and tastes btw and for what it is worth I really enjoyed TLJ for many reasons. Some set out above by others already.
  • The thing is, when Star Wars first come out, it was nonsense, but it was produced so slickly for the time and the actors played it with such belief, it became more than a story. It was special. Now, special effects don't blow you away and all the plot holes jump out from everywhere. Simply, it has lost its magic. 

    Yes, when you watch it, it is still Star Wars and you do get a sense of that, but it is also irritating. You often come out of the cinema thinking how much better it could have been. 
  • Where are the plot holes in the new movies? I think that the expedition to Canto Bight in TLJ was more filler, than any value add to the plot, but as somebody who knows all of these movies back to front, I can’t call out one. If anything, the prequels and sequel trilogies have tried to fill in every hole in the story. The animated series even more so, explaining much more about the Jedi, for example.

  • Pavo said:
    Where are the plot holes in the new movies? I think that the expedition to Canto Bight in TLJ was more filler, than any value add to the plot, but as somebody who knows all of these movies back to front, I can’t call out one. If anything, the prequels and sequel trilogies have tried to fill in every hole in the story. The animated series even more so, explaining much more about the Jedi, for example.

    Agreed, they have added to our understanding, not created holes. 
  • Pavo said:
    Where are the plot holes in the new movies? I think that the expedition to Canto Bight in TLJ was more filler, than any value add to the plot, but as somebody who knows all of these movies back to front, I can’t call out one. If anything, the prequels and sequel trilogies have tried to fill in every hole in the story. The animated series even more so, explaining much more about the Jedi, for example.

    I haven't watched TLJ - the franchise has lost me. But it is referenced here that Luke isn't behaving as Luke should/would. I think Revenge of the Sith killed it for me. The phantom Menace was poor overall but had a few moments, Attack of the Clones wasn't bad and gave a little hope.  We know/knew Anakin turned but the way he did in the movie was just not believable. In return of the Jedi, Leia remembered her mother, in Return of the Sith, she died giving birth to her.
  • Pavo said:
    Where are the plot holes in the new movies? I think that the expedition to Canto Bight in TLJ was more filler, than any value add to the plot, but as somebody who knows all of these movies back to front, I can’t call out one. If anything, the prequels and sequel trilogies have tried to fill in every hole in the story. The animated series even more so, explaining much more about the Jedi, for example.

    I haven't watched TLJ - the franchise has lost me. But it is referenced here that Luke isn't behaving as Luke should/would. I think Revenge of the Sith killed it for me. The phantom Menace was poor overall but had a few moments, Attack of the Clones wasn't bad and gave a little hope.  We know/knew Anakin turned but the way he did in the movie was just not believable. In return of the Jedi, Leia remembered her mother, in Return of the Sith, she died giving birth to her.
    That's not a plot hole though. The discourse regarding this film has become so shrill and unreasonable. There aren't really plot holes, just writing that people didn't like. Luke Skywalker doesn't act in a way that he 'wouldn't', he acts in a way that people who feel like they own the characters don't agree with, and this is somehow wrong. Luke Skywalker was the most important character to me growing up. As a kid I dreamed about there being more films with him as Jedi Master bouncing round the galaxy slicing everyone up with his lightsaber. I adored him, and as an adult I was excited that there was going to be a film with an older Luke. When it came to it he was completely different to how I'd always imagined he would be as a child, and I was fine with that. If anything it made it more interesting. Luke followed the example of his masters; being evasive and economical with the truth like Obi-Wan and buggering off to a tiny planet and being difficult like Yoda. The fact that they presented Luke as a man who had fallen out of love with the Force instead of being some shining all-powerful warrior like we thought he'd be after the original trilogy was an interesting approach from my perspective. People don't like change though so they started screeching that Luke wouldn't be that way based on what they thought happened inbetween films instead of what the writers told them happened inbetween films. A lot of Star Wars fans are weird basically.
  • PopIcon said:
    JiMMy 85 said:
    PopIcon said:
    PopIcon said:
    I'm torn by this.
    The last film was just an embarrassment. 
    I'll resent going to watch the next one at the cinema, but I'll go because if what star wars was, not what it has become.
    Why do you feel embarrassed?
    The prequels weren't great, but got better.
    When Disney took over they made a decent job of The Force Awakens, it was an enjoyable nod to the original.

    Then Roogue One, the first Disney spin off was slow to start, but was one the best star wars films ever made. This set up big hopes for The Last Jedi.

    The start was painfully unfunny. That girl they brought in as Finns girlfriend offered nothing. They decided Leah could fly through space. Snoke was killed off too early without fully telling his story. The whole casino thing was pointless and Luke's story was all wrong.

    There were several points in the film that were setting up really good plots, but they were never followed through and the whole star wars universe was undermined

    It felt that i was listening to a singer refusing to admit his best days were gone, convinced his new material was better than the classics that made his name. 

    The film was just embarrassing to watch, the hardest part was the prospect of a further film. Star wars shouldn't evoke these emotions.

    I've only watched it once and didn't bother with Solo.














    This has touched a  nerve.
    I dont think you have touched a nerve, well certainly not with me. Star Wars, just like any other stories told will be perceived subjectively. I actually agree with some of your points, the bit at the start, the middle bit at the casino and how they killed Snoke off.

    Mark Hamill's opinion is no more relevant than mine or yours. 
    Couldn’t agree more on the Hamill point. That he said something negative has been latched onto as if it validates any negative feelings other people have. And it’s probably worth mentioning he later said "I had trouble accepting what he saw for Luke but, having seen the movie, I was wrong."
      
    There are elements I don’t care for in TLJ (some of the comedy beats in particular). I think Johnson struggled to give Finn any reason to exist, and that’s a problem with Disney treating the trilogy like a game of consequences. But I think Johnson’s decisions are all reasonable and logical. He had a list of loose ends JJ had left him and he made calls on them. Some were hard to accept because they weren’t the obvious thing. That doesn’t make them poor decisions, just not the ones some were expecting. 

    For instance, IMO the killing of Snoke was the best thing he could have done to break the cycle of repeating the previous trilogy, and it now means JJ has to do something far more interesting. If you want Snoke backstory then wait for the cartoons or whatever (that’s a different complaint entirely) because TLJ didn’t NEED to tell Snoke’s backstory to propel the story belonging to the heroes. It wasn’t about him. Ever. 


    he was the Simon Francis of The Phantom Menace.
    Bravo. Actual lol.
  • I said I hadn't seen TLJ. The plot holes and rubbish films had already killed it for me.
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  • Pavo said:
    Where are the plot holes in the new movies? I think that the expedition to Canto Bight in TLJ was more filler, than any value add to the plot, but as somebody who knows all of these movies back to front, I can’t call out one. If anything, the prequels and sequel trilogies have tried to fill in every hole in the story. The animated series even more so, explaining much more about the Jedi, for example.

    I haven't watched TLJ - the franchise has lost me. But it is referenced here that Luke isn't behaving as Luke should/would. I think Revenge of the Sith killed it for me. The phantom Menace was poor overall but had a few moments, Attack of the Clones wasn't bad and gave a little hope.  We know/knew Anakin turned but the way he did in the movie was just not believable. In return of the Jedi, Leia remembered her mother, in Return of the Sith, she died giving birth to her.
    Yoda told Luke in the ESB “The future, the past, you will see, old friends long gone...” 

    Leia is force sensitive and in a ‘canon’ novel, Aftermath, it explains how force sensitive mothers or babies can connect with emotion and the carriers’ experiences pre-birth. It is all sci-fiction, so I kind of just free my kind and go along with it anyway.

    Special effects are used a fair it still, space scenes, obviously, but it if fans/film viewers had any idea how much is built and shot live, rather than green or blue screen, with explosives galore, stunties being propelled 6-12 feet in the air etc, I think more would be like, wow. 

    Anyhow, what I did not say earlier is that I was blown away by the teaser in April, Rey’s back flip over the Tie Fighter was a f*****g sweet moment. Most recent teaser looked great and poses a lot of questions while giving nothing away (other than the Emperor is still casting a shadow...).
  • Pavo said:
    Where are the plot holes in the new movies? I think that the expedition to Canto Bight in TLJ was more filler, than any value add to the plot, but as somebody who knows all of these movies back to front, I can’t call out one. If anything, the prequels and sequel trilogies have tried to fill in every hole in the story. The animated series even more so, explaining much more about the Jedi, for example.

    tell me how an x wing fighter can fly solo to the outer reaches of the galaxy to dagoba and then back again without needing to refuel, or fuel ever being mentioned in the original trilogy, but years later the key plot point is a capital ship in a fleet is running out of fuel? Bullshit.
  • People need to chill out and just enjoy a burst of nostalgia every once in a while - that’s the most valuable thing I get from Star Wars. 

    Its not real life. It’s a bloody film! Stop worrying about the technicalities of X wing fighters (a fictional craft) bring able to do this and that and just enjoy the films for what they are.

    Personally I have always enjoyed any Star Wars film - nice light hearted fun and will look forward to seeing this with my boy at Christmas 

  • Pavo said:
    Where are the plot holes in the new movies? I think that the expedition to Canto Bight in TLJ was more filler, than any value add to the plot, but as somebody who knows all of these movies back to front, I can’t call out one. If anything, the prequels and sequel trilogies have tried to fill in every hole in the story. The animated series even more so, explaining much more about the Jedi, for example.

    tell me how an x wing fighter can fly solo to the outer reaches of the galaxy to dagoba and then back again without needing to refuel, or fuel ever being mentioned in the original trilogy, but years later the key plot point is a capital ship in a fleet is running out of fuel? Bullshit.

    Different ships, different needs!
  • Pavo said:
    Where are the plot holes in the new movies? I think that the expedition to Canto Bight in TLJ was more filler, than any value add to the plot, but as somebody who knows all of these movies back to front, I can’t call out one. If anything, the prequels and sequel trilogies have tried to fill in every hole in the story. The animated series even more so, explaining much more about the Jedi, for example.

    tell me how an x wing fighter can fly solo to the outer reaches of the galaxy to dagoba and then back again without needing to refuel, or fuel ever being mentioned in the original trilogy, but years later the key plot point is a capital ship in a fleet is running out of fuel? Bullshit.
    All three planets in ESB were in the Outer Rim and conveniently, admittedly, neighbour planets/regions, which explains how the XWing coped. The Resistance Cruiser was running low on fuel, because it was making multi jumps to light speed, stopping, not knowing initially that the First Order had been tracking them and catching up. Without being able to dock anywhere its fuel was running out.

    I am not arguing btw, am just more confident that the creators of these stories and their production teams pay a lot attention to detail and plot, because they know that nerds like me would be all over them otherwise...
  • Pavo said:
    Where are the plot holes in the new movies? I think that the expedition to Canto Bight in TLJ was more filler, than any value add to the plot, but as somebody who knows all of these movies back to front, I can’t call out one. If anything, the prequels and sequel trilogies have tried to fill in every hole in the story. The animated series even more so, explaining much more about the Jedi, for example.

    Canto Blight was an interesting story on paper (introducing the grey area of villainy in a story that had to date been pure light and dark and expanding the world in a way Disney can make the most of) and I maintain that it was RJ struggling with Finn that made a mess of that plotline.

    I think there are a few things that, while not holes, were illogical in TLJ. Like the 'bigger' ships being slower in gravity-free space. Not that that stuff bothers me at all - the physics of space has never made any sense in Star Wars! Fire and sound in particular. But that's the interesting thing about all this to me - stuff that is thrown at TLJ could be thrown at ANH or ESB, yet for some reason people went along with it back then (and still do). 

    For instance, Poplcon's comment about Snoke's story not making any sense. Palaptine didn't get any more backstory in Jedi than he Snoke did in TLJ, and I reckon they probably got the same amount of screen time. We knew all we needed to know about Snoke for the story to work. It wasn't supposed to be a mystery, it wasn't supposed to have a twist (although if you're looking for a twist, why ignore the fact that he got killed 1.5 movies earlier than you expected?). 


  • PopIcon said:
    I found this trailer a disappointment, the last one was much better.
    The last one being the weird “Greatest Hits (+last Jedi)” trailer?
  • JiMMy 85 said:
    Pavo said:
    Where are the plot holes in the new movies? I think that the expedition to Canto Bight in TLJ was more filler, than any value add to the plot, but as somebody who knows all of these movies back to front, I can’t call out one. If anything, the prequels and sequel trilogies have tried to fill in every hole in the story. The animated series even more so, explaining much more about the Jedi, for example.

    Canto Blight was an interesting story on paper (introducing the grey area of villainy in a story that had to date been pure light and dark and expanding the world in a way Disney can make the most of) and I maintain that it was RJ struggling with Finn that made a mess of that plotline.

    I think there are a few things that, while not holes, were illogical in TLJ. Like the 'bigger' ships being slower in gravity-free space. Not that that stuff bothers me at all - the physics of space has never made any sense in Star Wars! Fire and sound in particular. But that's the interesting thing about all this to me - stuff that is thrown at TLJ could be thrown at ANH or ESB, yet for some reason people went along with it back then (and still do). 

    For instance, Poplcon's comment about Snoke's story not making any sense. Palaptine didn't get any more backstory in Jedi than he Snoke did in TLJ, and I reckon they probably got the same amount of screen time. We knew all we needed to know about Snoke for the story to work. It wasn't supposed to be a mystery, it wasn't supposed to have a twist (although if you're looking for a twist, why ignore the fact that he got killed 1.5 movies earlier than you expected?). 


    The thing that unsettled me about the Snoke scene in Last Jedi was that I couldn't stop wondering what he did all day. Does he just sit on his throne. And those guards - do they get bored just standing there? They must love it when an enemy turns up and there's the opportunity for some barbed conversation and fighting. 
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