We have this player in Fosu who can just glide past opponents at will - why with that attribute do we not create more in this league? Is it again always making those wrong calls at the important times?
We scored 2 away on Saturday and 3 away last night and should have had 5. I don't think creating more is the current problem.
exactly .. 'it's the Keegan at Newcastle problem' .. entertaining, scoring plenty and conceding almost as many, sometimes more
That was so bad defensively. I felt that moving Solly to the left didn't help and I felt that when the sub was made and not in hindsight. This totally unbalanced us at the back. That, coupled with Sarr in the middle, really did unhinge us and we were all over the place at the back all of the game basically.
A bit of an anomaly this game, actually, as it was so unlike how we've been playing all season. And maybe it was going to happen anyway as we were all over the place for their early first goal when Page was still on the field and Solly was at RB.
So, I'm just putting it down to a bad day at the office But, what a bad day it was. So many players were just off. I don't think Pratley contributed anything. Grant was off all game. Taylor, Fosu, Cullen and Aribo were ok but were up against it as our defence was so bad. Couldn't blame Dijksteel. I thought he played pretty well. Steer, Solly and Sarr were all pretty awful. Pearce was up against it and couldn't stem the tide. Our overall shape at the back was just off.
I thought the substitution of Igor for Fosu was wrong. Would have preferred for him to replace Grant who I thought was ineffective the whole game.
Maybe it was the atmosphere (or lack of) that affected the players. It certainly was a dreary game. I don't mind losing if it was a good performance but that performance was woeful. So different to every other game this season. It was all so out of character.
Any other day I believe we would have beaten Scunthorpe pretty easily but not with the defensive shambles we had out there today.
Onwards and upwards. It'll be nice to get back home for Coventry on Saturday.
I wasn't there and didn't see it on ifollow or whatever it's called but I'm intrigued by the use of the word 'dreary' in relation to a match that ended 5-3 albeit that we lost?
How can anyone with a functioning brain cell conclude that Pearce deliberately handled that ball. He was standing next to the bloke!!
If your arm/hand is in an unnatural position, then the ref is entitled to give hand ball. Unfortunately, Pearce's arm was not down by his side. If it was the ball wouldn't haven't hit his hand. It was unfortunate, but definitely a penalty.
The annoying thing is, Pearce's arm was in a natural position. It's just out there as he keeps balance. Pinning your arms to your side in that situation is the sensible thing to do, but doing that is not a natural position by any means.
The ball was kicked at him from point blank range. Even if he wanted to move his arm out of the way there was not enough time to do it. Most referees in this league are not much good and he's just made an easy decision because the ball obviously hit the arm. I don't think he's considered natural position, intention or anything - just blown his whistle.
How can anyone with a functioning brain cell conclude that Pearce deliberately handled that ball. He was standing next to the bloke!!
If your arm/hand is in an unnatural position, then the ref is entitled to give hand ball. Unfortunately, Pearce's arm was not down by his side. If it was the ball wouldn't haven't hit his hand. It was unfortunate, but definitely a penalty.
The annoying thing is, Pearce's arm was in a natural position. It's just out there as he keeps balance. Pinning your arms to your side in that situation is the sensible thing to do, but doing that is not a natural position by any means.
The ball was kicked at him from point blank range. Even if he wanted to move his arm out of the way there was not enough time to do it. Most referees in this league are not much good and he's just made an easy decision because the ball obviously hit the arm. I don't think he's considered natural position, intention or anything - just blown his whistle.
It's a bit like when two players jump to head the ball and use their arms for leverage (a natural position). But if one player's arm catches the opponent in the face it's a free kick.
1 loss out of 7, 3 goals scored away from home. It's not often you would lose scoring so many away. Positives to take but disappointing to lose. On to Saturday and then an international break where hopefully Page will be back to fighting fit and the player he was at the start of the season.
I've seen the replay of Pearce's give away and I don't think that's a penalty. He was jockeying to block his man, not a human on earth has the reaction speed to move their arm away. Being honest if we got a penalty given to us for that I would think it's harsh
Can't seem to find our penalty wave away, I am adamant that was a penalty so it would be nice to see it a second time.
I think that’s a pen tbf to the ref. I’d be screaming for it, if it was down the other end. A bad day at the office for us, but I have faith in Bow to whip em into shape for Saturday. COYA
Page out for a while according to Bowyer, should we start looking elsewhere for a LB that can actually manage 30+ games a season?
JDS only played 75 minutes of league football, we should have got him back
Two questions. Were you at the game or did you watch it on iFollow?
No and No.
But what has that got to do with my comment
I gave a brief match summary earlier in this thread and you gave it a LOL, which I assume was a derogatory or dismissive gesture......one or two others actually gave it a like so I was wondering why you did that, especially as you didn’t actually see the game?
Page out for a while according to Bowyer, should we start looking elsewhere for a LB that can actually manage 30+ games a season?
JDS only played 75 minutes of league football, we should have got him back
Two questions. Were you at the game or did you watch it on iFollow?
No and No.
But what has that got to do with my comment
I gave a brief match summary earlier in this thread and you gave it a LOL, which I assume was a derogatory or dismissive gesture......one or two others actually gave it a like so I was wondering why you did that, especially as you didn’t actually see the game?
Just looked at your profile, saw the comment in question and read it for the 1st time so i must have knocked my phone to give the lol
Seems the MoM nomination can fuck up a team even before it's announced There are only two explanations for Drysdale's performance: he's utterly incompetent or he's mostly incompetent and hates Charlton. Based on past experience of his interference in Charlton matches, I favour the latter. By no measure could Pearce have avoided that ball but Drysdale deems it deliberate, Aribo is hauled down but he decides otherwise. Sadly his malfeasance probably didn't alter the result. Charlton's defence was piss weak all night. Lewis Page is barely a player to start with but playing him injured was bizarre. Did he con himself and all others by convincing himself he was capable? I doubt Bow, Jacko et al are all reckless enough to play him just hoping for the best, surely they were relying on LP's assessment of his fitness? But with Pratley's performance after his supposed recovery maybe they are inclined to take massive risks. I think DP is 100 times the player LP is ever likely to be, so he can't really have been fit last night can he? The other returning from injury fiasco can have no excuses, Grant just stank the place up Billy Big Bollocks is just bollocks - poor decision making, not cos he couldn't get it right, he was just plain greedy "scored a couple of goals lately I'm the bomb, not passing whatever" prick can stew on the bench a while longer if he thinks that's a worthy performance. Form is temporary class (!) is permanent. Looks like he's yet to learn a fucking thing from Taylor in their months together. What to do about the lack of fit, capable defenders? Steer or Phillips? Pays your money, takes your choice, both are far from perfect, both capable of very good saves and shotstopping, both prone to goal losing blunders. Bow favoured a back 3/5 when he had more resources and I reckon this will make more out of what he has available. Something like (from right to left): Dijksteel, Solly, Pearce, Sarr, Marshall - talk of Solly on the left and Marshall on the right is arrant fuckwittery - Marshall is hopelessly one footed, he has shown creditable application as a full back but is mortally hampered playing on the right, whether forward or back. Further forward, Reeves is back to the lightweight inadequate shambles and will be lucky to make the 17. Fosu, Cullen, Aribo, Taylor pick themselves plus one of Vetokele, Ajose or Lapslie, depending on formation. The returns of Bielik, Ward, Bauer and Clarke can't come too soon.
How can anyone with a functioning brain cell conclude that Pearce deliberately handled that ball. He was standing next to the bloke!!
If your arm/hand is in an unnatural position, then the ref is entitled to give hand ball. Unfortunately, Pearce's arm was not down by his side. If it was the ball wouldn't haven't hit his hand. It was unfortunate, but definitely a penalty.
The annoying thing is, Pearce's arm was in a natural position. It's just out there as he keeps balance. Pinning your arms to your side in that situation is the sensible thing to do, but doing that is not a natural position by any means.
The ball was kicked at him from point blank range. Even if he wanted to move his arm out of the way there was not enough time to do it. Most referees in this league are not much good and he's just made an easy decision because the ball obviously hit the arm. I don't think he's considered natural position, intention or anything - just blown his whistle.
It's a bit like when two players jump to head the ball and use their arms for leverage (a natural position). But if one player's arm catches the opponent in the face it's a free kick.
It’s not, because handball has to be deliberate to be an offence and the foul you describe doesn’t.
How can anyone with a functioning brain cell conclude that Pearce deliberately handled that ball. He was standing next to the bloke!!
If your arm/hand is in an unnatural position, then the ref is entitled to give hand ball. Unfortunately, Pearce's arm was not down by his side. If it was the ball wouldn't haven't hit his hand. It was unfortunate, but definitely a penalty.
The annoying thing is, Pearce's arm was in a natural position. It's just out there as he keeps balance. Pinning your arms to your side in that situation is the sensible thing to do, but doing that is not a natural position by any means.
The ball was kicked at him from point blank range. Even if he wanted to move his arm out of the way there was not enough time to do it. Most referees in this league are not much good and he's just made an easy decision because the ball obviously hit the arm. I don't think he's considered natural position, intention or anything - just blown his whistle.
It's a bit like when two players jump to head the ball and use their arms for leverage (a natural position). But if one player's arm catches the opponent in the face it's a free kick.
Not sure it's the same. The foul can be called for reckless or careless play, intent need not be a factor. A handball has to consider movement of hand to ball (not ball to hand) and distance from the ball, which is to consider deliberate intent or if the handball was unavoidable and not deliberate.
As I said, I think the ref has blown just because the contact of ball and hand was obvious and he hasn't fully considered whether it was deliberate or unavoidable.
Whatever happens, if there is a crap decision to be made by a ref, it rarely seems to go our way!
How can anyone with a functioning brain cell conclude that Pearce deliberately handled that ball. He was standing next to the bloke!!
If your arm/hand is in an unnatural position, then the ref is entitled to give hand ball. Unfortunately, Pearce's arm was not down by his side. If it was the ball wouldn't haven't hit his hand. It was unfortunate, but definitely a penalty.
The annoying thing is, Pearce's arm was in a natural position. It's just out there as he keeps balance. Pinning your arms to your side in that situation is the sensible thing to do, but doing that is not a natural position by any means.
The ball was kicked at him from point blank range. Even if he wanted to move his arm out of the way there was not enough time to do it. Most referees in this league are not much good and he's just made an easy decision because the ball obviously hit the arm. I don't think he's considered natural position, intention or anything - just blown his whistle.
It's a bit like when two players jump to head the ball and use their arms for leverage (a natural position). But if one player's arm catches the opponent in the face it's a free kick.
It’s not, because handball has to be deliberate to be an offence and the foul you describe doesn’t.
that is not the way the law has evolved though is it ? .. 'unnatural position of the arm' is the modern interpretation .. it seems that deliberate hand ball always means a booking, 'non-deliberate' (is there such a thing with canny players) only penalised with a free kick or penalty
I've seen the replay of Pearce's give away and I don't think that's a penalty. He was jockeying to block his man, not a human on earth has the reaction speed to move their arm away. Being honest if we got a penalty given to us for that I would think it's harsh
Can't seem to find our penalty wave away, I am adamant that was a penalty so it would be nice to see it a second time.
I initially thought that was a dive but looking at that their player has no intention of playing the ball!!
Can even see his arm across Dijksteel's chest so there was obvious ground for him to go down
we were pretty enraged that no pen was given .. but Dijksteel (I though at the time it was Vetokole) did make a bit of a meal of it .. following the Michael Owen school of analysis, there is a fine line between diving and emphasising the fact that you've been fouled .. stay on your feet and the foul is usually ignored, especially in the area, go to ground and take your chances of being accused of diving .. in this case. the referee should have given a pen but I can see why he didn't (the bald headed twit/twot etc)
I initially thought that was a dive but looking at that their player has no intention of playing the ball!!
Can even see his arm across Dijksteel's chest so there was obvious ground for him to go down
we were pretty enraged that no pen was given .. but Dijksteel (I though at the time it was Vetokole) did make a bit of a meal of it .. following the Michael Owen school of analysis, there is a fine line between diving and emphasising the fact that you've been fouled .. stay on your feet and the foul is usually ignored, especially in the area, go to ground and take your chances of being accused of diving .. in this case. the referee should have given a pen but I can see why he didn't (the bald headed twit/twot etc)
I do remember that Scunthorpe player getting right in his face a couple of times afterwards as he felt it was a dive... Because of that I disregarded the incident until I saw that image because even I thought it looked a dive in real time
I initially thought that was a dive but looking at that their player has no intention of playing the ball!!
Can even see his arm across Dijksteel's chest so there was obvious ground for him to go down
we were pretty enraged that no pen was given .. but Dijksteel (I though at the time it was Vetokole) did make a bit of a meal of it .. following the Michael Owen school of analysis, there is a fine line between diving and emphasising the fact that you've been fouled .. stay on your feet and the foul is usually ignored, especially in the area, go to ground and take your chances of being accused of diving .. in this case. the referee should have given a pen but I can see why he didn't (the bald headed twit/twot etc)
I do remember that Scunthorpe player getting right in his face a couple of times afterwards as he felt it was a dive... Because of that I disregarded the incident until I saw that image because even I thought it looked a dive in real time
It was about 30 yards in front of me as nailed on a penalty as I've seen and I used to give a few away :-)
Page out for a while according to Bowyer, should we start looking elsewhere for a LB that can actually manage 30+ games a season?
JDS only played 75 minutes of league football, we should have got him back
Two questions. Were you at the game or did you watch it on iFollow?
No and No.
But what has that got to do with my comment
I gave a brief match summary earlier in this thread and you gave it a LOL, which I assume was a derogatory or dismissive gesture......one or two others actually gave it a like so I was wondering why you did that, especially as you didn’t actually see the game?
Just looked at your profile, saw the comment in question and read it for the 1st time so i must have knocked my phone to give the lol
Oh dear, where to start with that lot tonight? How about 4 mins in from a corner 0-1 Solly seemed to duck under the inswinger whilst Steer appeared to be caught out unawares summed up by one word SLOPPY!
Undeterred by the nonsense at the back we took the game to Scunny and scored from a corner by Cullen which Sarr nodded back across the box for Taylor to score at the far stick. With our tails up we continued to attack and Grant had two good chances but failed to convert. Then Taylor who was enjoying his roaming role out left fed the ball into Aribo who calmly dispatched it into the net off a defender 2-1 to the Londoners.
Then blow me down their equaliser came from a half cleared corner and the ball was returned with venom and took a deflection past the hapless Steer. Not happy with throwing away a lead we then handed it back to the Iron with Taylor going from Hero to villain with a poor ball infield which was like feeding pigs cherries and the oppo broke straight on goal and beat Steer inside his left hand post. For a keeper he's not that big and does not give me any confidence that he'll stop anything unless it is straight at him. HT 2-3 and time for Bowyer to read the riot act to try and get something from the game.
Out we came for the second period a good few minutes before the oppo obviously the words of wisdom were short and sharp along the lines of 'you've taken the lead once now go and do it again and defend properly ffs'. And the first part of the plan came to fruition with Taylor holding the ball up back to goal in the box and feeding Aribo who calmly slotted the equaliser 3-3; here we go here we go methinks. The ref however (we always get Sh*t refs) gives a pen for a cross on the goaline which hit Pearce's hand from about a yard. Absolutely nothing he could do about it, ball to hand, crazy decision! 3-4 down. On came Reeves for Prately and moved the ball around ok but final pass was lacking. We pressed for the equaliser and Aribo was up ended in the box, clear pen? no chance, despite the ref and Lino having clear views of it no more than 15 yards from either of them!
Then the final nail in the coffin in injury time Solly gave the ball away and break away United capitalised yet again and a dangerous cross which eluded both Sarr and Djiksteel was tucked away at the far post 3-5 game over.
Scoring three goals away from home and nothing to show for it is criminal. Phillips must come in for Steer, the lad does not comnand his area and after his poor decision making at Luton for their first goal needs a time out. Phillips distribution might not be as good but a keeper's main job is to stop goals and he is the better option in that regard for me. Page breaking down after 5 mins and Solly at left back, meh! More defensive displays like tonight and we can forget about the play offs never mind automatics, trouble is apart from Beilik who else is there to shore things up ;-(
Just arrived back home & catching up on the posts here from those at the match last night.
RC's sums it up brilliantly. ( Sorry didn't catch up with you ...we did go into the Hungry Horse to eat but too late to order a meal - don't ask !)
This was how I saw the game unfold too.
So, only a couple of points to add from my perspective.
As soon as Page went down, it was clear that he hadn't been 100% fit at the start but guess it was a case of "who else do we have ?". Of course, this was a blow & one from which we struggled to recover IMO.
Our last minute hero from the Luton game was definitely at fault for Scunny's early goal as it was right in front of us but he had plenty of time to make amends...
Lyle "in the pink" Taylor then enjoyed a field day, so to speak and looked a world beater for the remainder of the match, barring an uncharacteristic error which sadly led to another goal for the home side. This, however, mustn't detract from a great performance which reminded everyone present of his fleetness of foot, undeniable skill and boundless energy. Woe betide us if he sustains an injury before May !
Fosu worried me & was not up to the level he showed last season. I realise he's not completely match fit after his 3 game ban but expected him to step up to the plate last night.
Pratley is an accident/yellow card waiting to happen for me and I am unsure whether his name should be one of the first on the team sheet, but of course current injuries have depleted Bow's options.
Finally, the question of who should be the last line of our seemingly fragile defence. I'm no expert but it does feel as though Steer was given the role too easily when Dillon hadn't done much wrong. It will be interesting to see how Bow & JJ react to this defeat & who starts against Coventry.
We'll miss the next 2 matches but will be at The Valley for the return of the Loquacious One on the 23rd.
Let's hope the lads can get back on track in the meantime without Fanny's dulcet tones to cheer them on.
How can anyone with a functioning brain cell conclude that Pearce deliberately handled that ball. He was standing next to the bloke!!
If your arm/hand is in an unnatural position, then the ref is entitled to give hand ball. Unfortunately, Pearce's arm was not down by his side. If it was the ball wouldn't haven't hit his hand. It was unfortunate, but definitely a penalty.
The annoying thing is, Pearce's arm was in a natural position. It's just out there as he keeps balance. Pinning your arms to your side in that situation is the sensible thing to do, but doing that is not a natural position by any means.
The ball was kicked at him from point blank range. Even if he wanted to move his arm out of the way there was not enough time to do it. Most referees in this league are not much good and he's just made an easy decision because the ball obviously hit the arm. I don't think he's considered natural position, intention or anything - just blown his whistle.
It's a bit like when two players jump to head the ball and use their arms for leverage (a natural position). But if one player's arm catches the opponent in the face it's a free kick.
It’s not, because handball has to be deliberate to be an offence and the foul you describe doesn’t.
that is not the way the law has evolved though is it ? .. 'unnatural position of the arm' is the modern interpretation .. it seems that deliberate hand ball always means a booking, 'non-deliberate' (is there such a thing with canny players) only penalised with a free kick or penalty
I think that's just a load of ex-pros talking balls on the TV as they don't know the rules as well as they should or at least can't explain them clearly. There's nothing in the laws about arms being in a unnatural position. It's ball to hand/hand to ball and distance from the ball they refer to.
The Scunthorpe player who tripped Dijksteel in the box was Lee Novak.
Dijksteel’s problem was that he didn’t make enough of it - annoying as that is to say. The fact he tried to avoid Novak and fell softly counted against him. If he’d run full pelt towards the ball and clattered into the defender, I have no doubt it would’ve looked worse and the pen would’ve been given.
Trying to get into Dijksteel's face, pushing him around etc trying to intimate that there wasn't contact.
Well, there was slight contact because that's obvious, Lee, and the only reason there wasn't a massive coming together was because Dijksteel tried to avoid your shit tackle! Obvious penalty.
Dijksteel tried to defuse the situation and Lee was pretty much chasing him around the pitch!
Novak is 30 years old and Dijksteel 21, embarrassing!
Also, Lee handballed it in the build up to the handball against us. He used his arm to guide the ball into his path.
I suppose what I'm getting at is that Lee Novak can fuck right off.
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No intention of being critical just curious.
The ball was kicked at him from point blank range. Even if he wanted to move his arm out of the way there was not enough time to do it. Most referees in this league are not much good and he's just made an easy decision because the ball obviously hit the arm. I don't think he's considered natural position, intention or anything - just blown his whistle.
But if one player's arm catches the opponent in the face it's a free kick.
Can't seem to find our penalty wave away, I am adamant that was a penalty so it would be nice to see it a second time.
But what has that got to do with my comment
There are only two explanations for Drysdale's performance: he's utterly incompetent or he's mostly incompetent and hates Charlton. Based on past experience of his interference in Charlton matches, I favour the latter.
By no measure could Pearce have avoided that ball but Drysdale deems it deliberate, Aribo is hauled down but he decides otherwise.
Sadly his malfeasance probably didn't alter the result. Charlton's defence was piss weak all night.
Lewis Page is barely a player to start with but playing him injured was bizarre. Did he con himself and all others by convincing himself he was capable? I doubt Bow, Jacko et al are all reckless enough to play him just hoping for the best, surely they were relying on LP's assessment of his fitness? But with Pratley's performance after his supposed recovery maybe they are inclined to take massive risks. I think DP is 100 times the player LP is ever likely to be, so he can't really have been fit last night can he?
The other returning from injury fiasco can have no excuses, Grant just stank the place up Billy Big Bollocks is just bollocks - poor decision making, not cos he couldn't get it right, he was just plain greedy "scored a couple of goals lately I'm the bomb, not passing whatever" prick can stew on the bench a while longer if he thinks that's a worthy performance. Form is temporary class (!) is permanent. Looks like he's yet to learn a fucking thing from Taylor in their months together.
What to do about the lack of fit, capable defenders?
Steer or Phillips? Pays your money, takes your choice, both are far from perfect, both capable of very good saves and shotstopping, both prone to goal losing blunders.
Bow favoured a back 3/5 when he had more resources and I reckon this will make more out of what he has available. Something like (from right to left): Dijksteel, Solly, Pearce, Sarr, Marshall - talk of Solly on the left and Marshall on the right is arrant fuckwittery - Marshall is hopelessly one footed, he has shown creditable application as a full back but is mortally hampered playing on the right, whether forward or back. Further forward, Reeves is back to the lightweight inadequate
shambles and will be lucky to make the 17. Fosu, Cullen, Aribo, Taylor pick themselves plus one of Vetokele, Ajose or Lapslie, depending on formation. The returns of Bielik, Ward, Bauer and Clarke can't come too soon.
As I said, I think the ref has blown just because the contact of ball and hand was obvious and he hasn't fully considered whether it was deliberate or unavoidable.
Whatever happens, if there is a crap decision to be made by a ref, it rarely seems to go our way!
Can even see his arm across Dijksteel's chest so there was obvious ground for him to go down
RC's sums it up brilliantly. ( Sorry didn't catch up with you ...we did go into the Hungry Horse to eat but too late to order a meal - don't ask !)
This was how I saw the game unfold too.
So, only a couple of points to add from my perspective.
As soon as Page went down, it was clear that he hadn't been 100% fit at the start but guess it was a case of "who else do we have ?". Of course, this was a blow & one from which we struggled to recover IMO.
Our last minute hero from the Luton game was definitely at fault for Scunny's early goal as it was right in front of us but he had plenty of time to make amends...
Lyle "in the pink" Taylor then enjoyed a field day, so to speak and looked a world beater for the remainder of the match, barring an uncharacteristic error which sadly led to another goal for the home side. This, however, mustn't detract from a great performance which reminded everyone present of his fleetness of foot, undeniable skill and boundless energy. Woe betide us if he sustains an injury before May !
Fosu worried me & was not up to the level he showed last season. I realise he's not completely match fit after his 3 game ban but expected him to step up to the plate last night.
Pratley is an accident/yellow card waiting to happen for me and I am unsure whether his name should be one of the first on the team sheet, but of course current injuries have depleted Bow's options.
Finally, the question of who should be the last line of our seemingly fragile defence. I'm no expert but it does feel as though Steer was given the role too easily when Dillon hadn't done much wrong. It will be interesting to see how Bow & JJ react to this defeat & who starts against Coventry.
We'll miss the next 2 matches but will be at The Valley for the return of the Loquacious One on the 23rd.
Let's hope the lads can get back on track in the meantime without Fanny's dulcet tones to cheer them on.
COYA !!!!!
Dijksteel’s problem was that he didn’t make enough of it - annoying as that is to say. The fact he tried to avoid Novak and fell softly counted against him. If he’d run full pelt towards the ball and clattered into the defender, I have no doubt it would’ve looked worse and the pen would’ve been given.
Trying to get into Dijksteel's face, pushing him around etc trying to intimate that there wasn't contact.
Well, there was slight contact because that's obvious, Lee, and the only reason there wasn't a massive coming together was because Dijksteel tried to avoid your shit tackle! Obvious penalty.
Dijksteel tried to defuse the situation and Lee was pretty much chasing him around the pitch!
Novak is 30 years old and Dijksteel 21, embarrassing!
Also, Lee handballed it in the build up to the handball against us. He used his arm to guide the ball into his path.
I suppose what I'm getting at is that Lee Novak can fuck right off.