If we want more police someone has to pay for it, I can imagine the outcry if the government (what ever colour) increased income tax by 2p or put VAT on food like a lot of EU countries to pay for it the same with the NHS. You get what you pay for.
Posting this again as everyone ignored it but people want solutions and keep saying we need more police.
Would this not help, even if it doesn’t change the world?
The suggestion that we don’t have enough police is insane. Look at the amount of police at football and the amount of football games all over the Country nearly every day.
What’s more important?
1. The occasional ruck at football which very very rarely tragically ends in death or serious injury. In fact, knowing they can actually get at each other and get hurt would deter many anyway.
Or
2. kids being stabbed to death every single week?
Ease of the football a bit, let CCTV take care of that, as it already does very well. Get the more important issue in order and then revert if need be.
No? Why not? Because we are and will forever be the easy target scum and nothing will ever change that. Tragic.
agreed .. more Police presence might not change attitudes amongst the criminal class but in all probability would make them more wary and cautious .. of course the knack is to let the police get on with their job with the minimum of political and/or do gooder interference
The majority of stabbing victims in London are Black kids. The majority of stabbing attackers are Black kids. When the police attempt to stop and search Black kids, they are branded racist. Some day Black society will have to wake up to reality.
I know these facts will upset the lefty pinko snowflake section of Charlton life. But someday you will have to wake up to reality to.
Throw your insults at me as much as you like, they will not change facts.
I note that you haven't actually made a comment on this thread against the stabbings, just a general social one. I can only assume then, going by your very own logic in a previous thread, that you condone people stabbing others and condone people being seriously hurt and killed? I for one think you condoning such behaviour and it's consequences is disgusting.
Oh do stop talking your absolute bollocks pal, you make yourself look a total twat.
If we want more police someone has to pay for it, I can imagine the outcry if the government (what ever colour) increased income tax by 2p or put VAT on food like a lot of EU countries to pay for it the same with the NHS. You get what you pay for.
this is interesting .. privatised neighbourhood watch with truncheons and guns
If we want more police someone has to pay for it, I can imagine the outcry if the government (what ever colour) increased income tax by 2p or put VAT on food like a lot of EU countries to pay for it the same with the NHS. You get what you pay for.
this is interesting .. privatised neighbourhood watch with truncheons and guns
I'm not part of it, however a load of people on my estate have set up a WhatsApp group to basically shame parents of toerags into stopping them being cunts after dark as they aren't necessarily awful kids they just have no concept of boundaries. It's got to a point with stupid, petty but expensive vandalism and general cuntiness had riled up a few to the point of wanting to go vigilante on here youths. Last summer me and my next door neighbour dealt with a burglar and he ended up losing a lot of teeth, when the lady who organised the group asked me what I'd be prepared to do in regards the kids I told her I'd do the same to them as what I did to the burglar (he fell) if they came anywhere near my home. I think she was after me agreeing to post leaflets or walk one of the huskies round the block of an evening. She hasn't added me to the group yet. Or my next door neighbour!
Anyway, I'm digressing. My wife is part if the group and has shown me some of the messages from parents of these shitarses defending them throwing detritus at an old ladies house as it's only them being kids. This poor old dear is petrified every evening! This evenings messages have taken a more dark turn. It seems someone has had enough of the kids just being kids and lost their temper with a couple of them and given them a slap, the parents of these kids truly are the problem. As ValleyGary said, I was frightened of my parents and behaved myself in public most of the time. My mum would have made sure I never threw gravel at an old ladies house ever again. These men and women, who live on a fairly pricey estate for the area are defending their vermin offspring for scratching cars, stealing stuff from garages, terrorising old people and my favourite, pulling wheelies on their mopeds and bikes in the path of traffic!
This is the future of our nation!
Anyway, looks like there is a lot of local support on a private messaging group to introduce these arseholes to some boundaries. Which is a shame but I won't be sad for the kids when they cop a whack of one or two pissed off blokes.
The majority of stabbing victims in London are Black kids. The majority of stabbing attackers are Black kids. When the police attempt to stop and search Black kids, they are branded racist. Some day Black society will have to wake up to reality.
I know these facts will upset the lefty pinko snowflake section of Charlton life. But someday you will have to wake up to reality to.
Throw your insults at me as much as you like, they will not change facts.
I note that you haven't actually made a comment on this thread against the stabbings, just a general social one. I can only assume then, going by your very own logic in a previous thread, that you condone people stabbing others and condone people being seriously hurt and killed? I for one think you condoning such behaviour and it's consequences is disgusting.
Oh do stop talking your absolute bollocks pal, you make yourself look a total twat.
Just lowering myself to your level, pal. Didn't expect you to acknowledge your hypocrisy and nonsense.
I've worked on projects with a mother who had the horrific scenario of having her son killed due to knife crime. I also met the surgeon who tried to save him. Interestingly he (the surgeon) said he had dealt with many stabbings and had initially tried hard to think of a medicinal solution to help save more people. He ultimately came to the conclusion that the only cure was preventing it happening in the first place.
That's where the project I worked on came in, as it was something positive for youngsters to spend their time doing during the holidays that would help lead them down the right path. For me it is therefore just as important to invest in positive activities for young people to engage in, as it is police on the streets.
There is also a case to be made for "exam factory" type schools to be challenged on developing children more socially. And that's where it can become political.
Anyway, as has been said for many years, my ultimate point is you've got to keep kids busy, especially boys, to keep them out of trouble.
Finally, when I sat in a recent police workshop they made a very good point to the children - don't worry about looking soft. Eg if someone wants to push in/take your seat on a bus/bash into you/cut you up on a pavement/shout obscenities at you etc, then just smile, ignore, apologise, walk away or diffuse the situation with friendliness. There is no point getting into an argument over it, as sadly that has lead to multiple fatalities. Be the bigger person etc. - something I've told myself and my own kids numerous times since!
Rather than sniping at each other we should actually harness the great diverse minds on this forum to actually try and come up with a solution. Perhaps if left and right and all in between stopped taking immediate polarised positions in society we could all collectively solve many of the world's ills. Who knows.
My tuppence worth
-More police, and better funding -Male role models and particularly positive male roles models -Sports and activities that build self esteem and release controlled aggression and boost mental health such as boxing and football, rugby or even non sports activities -Stop blaming each other and work together to solve it -Decriminalisation of drugs -Many recreational users of drugs may reconsider the use of drugs if they stop to think about the supply chain and the business it creates and misery it brings here and abroad. No illicit drug trade no rich criminals profiting and no recruiting of youngsters who fall into that life (perfectly demonstrated in The Wire) - Step back from political correctness and have real honest conversations about the root causes of this and stop tiptoeing around issues whilst children continue to kill each other against the backdrop of empty rhetoric from completely removed politicians. This country stood up to and defeated Nazism. We can deal with this with less hand wringing and more action. - Serious prison sentences for those inflicting damage to others with knives - Education from a young young age
Right I'm off to heal the world and sing kumbya
Agree with a lot of what you say but do we have politicians willing to invest the resources required. Drugs and gangs have to be dealt with and communities drowning in crime need to make sure their young people are not dragged into it - the less options there are the more attractive crime is.
A lot of recreational drug users aren't willing to address all the crime etc behind the drug trade.
Imagine what could of been done and set in place with the money from the willy waving month that was London 2012
Can’t let you have that one mate
What we should have done was built on the euthoria that was 2012 and enhanced and grabbed the moment
Sport is truly a fantastic way to get the kids interested and to believe they have life choices and a future without having to just take steel and stab
The issue starts at home and ends in jail
To solve the problem we need to go to the homes and understand what Is driving this behaviour
It’s a parental issue primarily and then becomes a social one
The issue is we are two going on three generations of kids who have had kids and a large % abdicate their responsibility either by leaving normally the male or the female focusing on her life not that of the child
It needs so many areas to resolve and fix that unfortunately there will never be a resolution
Rather than sniping at each other we should actually harness the great diverse minds on this forum to actually try and come up with a solution. Perhaps if left and right and all in between stopped taking immediate polarised positions in society we could all collectively solve many of the world's ills. Who knows.
My tuppence worth
-More police, and better funding -Male role models and particularly positive male roles models -Sports and activities that build self esteem and release controlled aggression and boost mental health such as boxing and football, rugby or even non sports activities -Stop blaming each other and work together to solve it -Decriminalisation of drugs -Many recreational users of drugs may reconsider the use of drugs if they stop to think about the supply chain and the business it creates and misery it brings here and abroad. No illicit drug trade no rich criminals profiting and no recruiting of youngsters who fall into that life (perfectly demonstrated in The Wire) - Step back from political correctness and have real honest conversations about the root causes of this and stop tiptoeing around issues whilst children continue to kill each other against the backdrop of empty rhetoric from completely removed politicians. This country stood up to and defeated Nazism. We can deal with this with less hand wringing and more action. - Serious prison sentences for those inflicting damage to others with knives - Education from a young young age
Right I'm off to heal the world and sing kumbya
Agree with a lot of what you say but do we have politicians willing to invest the resources required. Drugs and gangs have to be dealt with and communities drowning in crime need to make sure their young people are not dragged into it - the less options there are the more attractive crime is.
A lot of recreational drug users aren't willing to address all the crime etc behind the drug trade.
Imagine what could of been done and set in place with the money from the willy waving month that was London 2012
Can’t let you have that one mate
What we should have done was built on the euthoria that was 2012 and enhanced and grabbed the moment
Sport is truly a fantastic way to get the kids interested and to believe they have life choices and a future without having to just take steel and stab
The issue starts at home and ends in jail
To solve the problem we need to go to the homes and understand what Is driving this behaviour
It’s a parental issue primarily and then becomes a social one
The issue is we are two going on three generations of kids who have had kids and a large % abdicate their responsibility either by leaving normally the male or the female focusing on her life not that of the child
It needs so many areas to resolve and fix that unfortunately there will never be a resolution
Im talking about where the money could of been used mate. Billions spent on a temporary event when it could of been used much better. Think of the extra policing a tenth of that could of provided and still be providing. I don’t think a load of kids on an estate give a shit about horse dressage in Westminster. I’m not seeing much for the £8bn spent.
Rather than sniping at each other we should actually harness the great diverse minds on this forum to actually try and come up with a solution. Perhaps if left and right and all in between stopped taking immediate polarised positions in society we could all collectively solve many of the world's ills. Who knows.
My tuppence worth
-More police, and better funding -Male role models and particularly positive male roles models -Sports and activities that build self esteem and release controlled aggression and boost mental health such as boxing and football, rugby or even non sports activities -Stop blaming each other and work together to solve it -Decriminalisation of drugs -Many recreational users of drugs may reconsider the use of drugs if they stop to think about the supply chain and the business it creates and misery it brings here and abroad. No illicit drug trade no rich criminals profiting and no recruiting of youngsters who fall into that life (perfectly demonstrated in The Wire) - Step back from political correctness and have real honest conversations about the root causes of this and stop tiptoeing around issues whilst children continue to kill each other against the backdrop of empty rhetoric from completely removed politicians. This country stood up to and defeated Nazism. We can deal with this with less hand wringing and more action. - Serious prison sentences for those inflicting damage to others with knives - Education from a young young age
Right I'm off to heal the world and sing kumbya
Agree with a lot of what you say but do we have politicians willing to invest the resources required. Drugs and gangs have to be dealt with and communities drowning in crime need to make sure their young people are not dragged into it - the less options there are the more attractive crime is.
A lot of recreational drug users aren't willing to address all the crime etc behind the drug trade.
Imagine what could of been done and set in place with the money from the willy waving month that was London 2012
Can’t let you have that one mate
What we should have done was built on the euthoria that was 2012 and enhanced and grabbed the moment
Sport is truly a fantastic way to get the kids interested and to believe they have life choices and a future without having to just take steel and stab
The issue starts at home and ends in jail
To solve the problem we need to go to the homes and understand what Is driving this behaviour
It’s a parental issue primarily and then becomes a social one
The issue is we are two going on three generations of kids who have had kids and a large % abdicate their responsibility either by leaving normally the male or the female focusing on her life not that of the child
It needs so many areas to resolve and fix that unfortunately there will never be a resolution
Im talking about where the money could of been used mate. Billions spent on a temporary event when it could of been used much better. Think of the extra policing a tenth of that could of provided and still be providing. I don’t think a load of kids on an estate give a shit about horse dressage in Westminster. I’m not seeing much for the £8bn spent.
Im sure I remember reading that we made a profit from the Olympics, could be wrong though.
Has anyone seen the US TV show 'Beyond Scared Straight'?
Something like that may work. Literally scare the living sh*t out of them whilst they're young.
No need to screen it on TV though.
It may see less of these little scumbags using their faux cloak of victimhood as justification for their behaviour.
Yeah, childhood trauma is a brilliant way to ensure they don't grow up to be fuck-ups!
Do you have any evidence to support your woke like alluding that any of the little shits that appeared on the programme have suffered trauma? Or is it you, yet again, virtue signalling out of a self imposed martyrized sense of righteousness?
Has anyone seen the US TV show 'Beyond Scared Straight'?
Something like that may work. Literally scare the living sh*t out of them whilst they're young.
No need to screen it on TV though.
It may see less of these little scumbags using their faux cloak of victimhood as justification for their behaviour.
Yeah, childhood trauma is a brilliant way to ensure they don't grow up to be fuck-ups!
Do you have any evidence to support your woke like alluding that any of the little shits that appeared on the programme have suffered trauma? Or is it you, yet again, virtue signalling out of a self imposed martyrized sense of righteousness?
“Scaring the shit” out of children is about as close to the notion of trauma as it gets and qualifies on every level.
Rather than sniping at each other we should actually harness the great diverse minds on this forum to actually try and come up with a solution. Perhaps if left and right and all in between stopped taking immediate polarised positions in society we could all collectively solve many of the world's ills. Who knows.
My tuppence worth
-More police, and better funding -Male role models and particularly positive male roles models -Sports and activities that build self esteem and release controlled aggression and boost mental health such as boxing and football, rugby or even non sports activities -Stop blaming each other and work together to solve it -Decriminalisation of drugs -Many recreational users of drugs may reconsider the use of drugs if they stop to think about the supply chain and the business it creates and misery it brings here and abroad. No illicit drug trade no rich criminals profiting and no recruiting of youngsters who fall into that life (perfectly demonstrated in The Wire) - Step back from political correctness and have real honest conversations about the root causes of this and stop tiptoeing around issues whilst children continue to kill each other against the backdrop of empty rhetoric from completely removed politicians. This country stood up to and defeated Nazism. We can deal with this with less hand wringing and more action. - Serious prison sentences for those inflicting damage to others with knives - Education from a young young age
Right I'm off to heal the world and sing kumbya
Agree with a lot of what you say but do we have politicians willing to invest the resources required. Drugs and gangs have to be dealt with and communities drowning in crime need to make sure their young people are not dragged into it - the less options there are the more attractive crime is.
A lot of recreational drug users aren't willing to address all the crime etc behind the drug trade.
Imagine what could of been done and set in place with the money from the willy waving month that was London 2012
Can’t let you have that one mate
What we should have done was built on the euthoria that was 2012 and enhanced and grabbed the moment
Sport is truly a fantastic way to get the kids interested and to believe they have life choices and a future without having to just take steel and stab
The issue starts at home and ends in jail
To solve the problem we need to go to the homes and understand what Is driving this behaviour
It’s a parental issue primarily and then becomes a social one
The issue is we are two going on three generations of kids who have had kids and a large % abdicate their responsibility either by leaving normally the male or the female focusing on her life not that of the child
It needs so many areas to resolve and fix that unfortunately there will never be a resolution
Im talking about where the money could of been used mate. Billions spent on a temporary event when it could of been used much better. Think of the extra policing a tenth of that could of provided and still be providing. I don’t think a load of kids on an estate give a shit about horse dressage in Westminster. I’m not seeing much for the £8bn spent.
Im sure I remember reading that we made a profit from the Olympics, could be wrong though.
Has anyone seen the US TV show 'Beyond Scared Straight'?
Something like that may work. Literally scare the living sh*t out of them whilst they're young.
No need to screen it on TV though.
It may see less of these little scumbags using their faux cloak of victimhood as justification for their behaviour.
Yeah, childhood trauma is a brilliant way to ensure they don't grow up to be fuck-ups!
Do you have any evidence to support your woke like alluding that any of the little shits that appeared on the programme have suffered trauma? Or is it you, yet again, virtue signalling out of a self imposed martyrized sense of righteousness?
“Scaring the shit” out of children is about as close to the notion of trauma as it gets and qualifies on every level.
I see it more as "scaring the shit out of potential murderers".
Each to their own, though. Just let the kids run feral and moan about it on social media, whilst at the same time shooting down anyone that doesn't suggest we wrap the little mites up in cotton wool and blame anything other than the criminals themselves.
Making kids viscerally aware of their responsibilities at an early age is probably good. Giving them actual trauma is not. How do people become violent criminals? A combination of factors, usually, but the common factor would seem to be a troubled upbringing. Obviously with these kids, the damage has already been done, but I don't think giving children a massive scare is really the way forward. It feels like a very American solution
Has anyone seen the US TV show 'Beyond Scared Straight'?
Something like that may work. Literally scare the living sh*t out of them whilst they're young.
No need to screen it on TV though.
It may see less of these little scumbags using their faux cloak of victimhood as justification for their behaviour.
Yeah, childhood trauma is a brilliant way to ensure they don't grow up to be fuck-ups!
Do you have any evidence to support your woke like alluding that any of the little shits that appeared on the programme have suffered trauma? Or is it you, yet again, virtue signalling out of a self imposed martyrized sense of righteousness?
“Scaring the shit” out of children is about as close to the notion of trauma as it gets and qualifies on every level.
I see it more as "scaring the shit out of potential murderers".
Each to their own, though. Just let the kids run feral and moan about it on social media, whilst at the same time shooting down anyone that doesn't suggest we wrap the little mites up in cotton wool and blame anything other than the criminals themselves.
Im all for educating or re education of these little shits and if you saw my post earlier on the thread i think that education ought to include getting the truth straight from a convicted murderer who can emphasise that a life in prison is not as glam as they think it might be. That would scare me. What I dont see as acceptable is as was quoted “scaring the shit” out of them.
At present it would seem that gang culture and its consequences are more attractive to some kids than the fear of any sanction. We must redress that imbalance and the only way is through education.
Comments
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Patrol_Special_Police
Anyway, I'm digressing. My wife is part if the group and has shown me some of the messages from parents of these shitarses defending them throwing detritus at an old ladies house as it's only them being kids. This poor old dear is petrified every evening! This evenings messages have taken a more dark turn. It seems someone has had enough of the kids just being kids and lost their temper with a couple of them and given them a slap, the parents of these kids truly are the problem. As ValleyGary said, I was frightened of my parents and behaved myself in public most of the time. My mum would have made sure I never threw gravel at an old ladies house ever again. These men and women, who live on a fairly pricey estate for the area are defending their vermin offspring for scratching cars, stealing stuff from garages, terrorising old people and my favourite, pulling wheelies on their mopeds and bikes in the path of traffic!
This is the future of our nation!
Anyway, looks like there is a lot of local support on a private messaging group to introduce these arseholes to some boundaries. Which is a shame but I won't be sad for the kids when they cop a whack of one or two pissed off blokes.
That's where the project I worked on came in, as it was something positive for youngsters to spend their time doing during the holidays that would help lead them down the right path. For me it is therefore just as important to invest in positive activities for young people to engage in, as it is police on the streets.
There is also a case to be made for "exam factory" type schools to be challenged on developing children more socially. And that's where it can become political.
Anyway, as has been said for many years, my ultimate point is you've got to keep kids busy, especially boys, to keep them out of trouble.
Finally, when I sat in a recent police workshop they made a very good point to the children - don't worry about looking soft. Eg if someone wants to push in/take your seat on a bus/bash into you/cut you up on a pavement/shout obscenities at you etc, then just smile, ignore, apologise, walk away or diffuse the situation with friendliness. There is no point getting into an argument over it, as sadly that has lead to multiple fatalities. Be the bigger person etc. - something I've told myself and my own kids numerous times since!
What we should have done was built on the euthoria that was 2012 and enhanced and grabbed the moment
Sport is truly a fantastic way to get the kids interested and to believe they have life choices and a future without having to just take steel and stab
The issue starts at home and ends in jail
To solve the problem we need to go to the homes and understand what Is driving this behaviour
It’s a parental issue primarily and then becomes a social one
The issue is we are two going on three generations of kids who have had kids and a large % abdicate their responsibility either by leaving normally the male or the female focusing on her life not that of the child
It needs so many areas to resolve and fix that unfortunately there will never be a resolution
Something like that may work. Literally scare the living sh*t out of them whilst they're young.
No need to screen it on TV though.
It may see less of these little scumbags using their faux cloak of victimhood as justification for their behaviour.
I shall leave it unedited, so it continues to niggle!
You sir, are a cad and a bounder
Each to their own, though. Just let the kids run feral and moan about it on social media, whilst at the same time shooting down anyone that doesn't suggest we wrap the little mites up in cotton wool and blame anything other than the criminals themselves.
At present it would seem that gang culture and its consequences are more attractive to some kids than the fear of any sanction. We must redress that imbalance and the only way is through education.
Really, what these kids need is a lot of therapy
I was absolutely depressed just watching the antics and demeanour and obvious lack of education and social inclusion these people exhibited.
We’ve managed to breed a completely feral underclass that will suck the lifeblood out of normal society. Truly truly depressing.
I felt a lot of sympathy with the Prison Officers swimming against the tide of both resources and the scum they were looking after.