Certainly deserves a chance but there are better (more experienced options out there) with a proven track record over a longer period of time than what Bowyer has had with us.
I wouldn’t be unhappy if Bowyer were to get the job but I’d prefer Powell, Hurst or McCarthy.
it's a reluctant no from me. I'd rather he stayed as an assistant to someone like McCarthy so he can properly learn the ropes, do his badges etc. I think he's done ok with an unbalanced and inadequate squad but I think he's got in wrong in both the play off matches through that inexperience.
I don't really care who the manager is at this moment in time. That guy at Man City would struggle with this setup. Its nice to a continuity through playing and coach staff like the old Liverpool boot room setup but we are light years away from that. Give Bowyer a chance next season with the backing a club like ours should have by all means but you cant polish a turd of a club like ours and expect minor miracles.
I might be in the minority but for me it's a no. He did very well to get us into the play offs but has shown managerial naivety in the last few games and was out-thought by Keith Hill (to an extent) and by Hurst twice. I think he has potential but I don't get the impression he is a great thinker...
For me I think the new owner will put his own people in place and fear we'll also lose Jacko to Southend to work with Powell.
I agree.
I think a lot of people want a fairytale manager like Powell again. But would Bowyer have done better than Karl over as many games?
I think what having both types of manager proved is that we have some of the wrost strikers and attacking midfielders in the league. Whoever is in charge next season will struggle unless Roland sells and the new owners invest in the squad.
Yes but he needs backing in the market. To replace Amos and Da Silva will take creativity and/or money and we need 3 strikers, at least.
getting a decent goalkeeper in doesn't need to cost money. There are always loads of decent keepers floating around looking for a gig and probably the easiest position to fill at a Club as most Clubs only really need two and so there are plenty available for loan and plenty around on free's. You only have to look back on the last five to ten years to see all the decent keepers we have managed to have on loans/frees (Alnwick, Henderson, Amos, Etheridge etc).
Don't forget Page - better defensively than Dasilva and that is his prime job after all. Dasilva is vastly over rated as a full back.
He’s been back in football for around a year and management for a matter of months and he’s already been out-thought by 2 experienced managers? Yeah definitely get rid of him ASAP then. Let him learn his trade with a different club and watch him come back to haunt us. That’s the way to treat people.
To those saying 'no' - refresh your memory to how low we all felt with Karl Robinson in charge leading up to the Plymouth game. This thread is worth a read if you from the beginning if you can't remember:
Bowyer took a mentally weak squad destined for mid-table in to the play-offs beating Plymouth, Rotherham, Shrewsbury, Blackburn and Portsmouth to get there.
Yes, when it really mattered we didn't deliver, but as the saying goes better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all and until he took over we were going no-where fast.
Based solely on the last three performances, no. However, I think that given his own squad we may see an over all improvement. So, on the whole, yes I would like to see him and Jacko continue.
Definitely will need an experienced assistant alongside him. I am unsure him and Jackson would be able to cope too well with the riggers of a whole season without someone with a bit more managerial/coaching experience alongside them.
Give him the job, let him bring in the players and type of players we need for a balanced squad capable of winning promotion.
Scummy as their fans may have been, we need a set up like Shrewsbury to get out of this league. Physically imposing, very fit, 100% committed, well organized and with players that have something to proove having come from non-league or on loan from lesser clubs.
I’d like Bowyer to stay but agree he needs help in the scouting department to identify the right players for the job ahead.
He’s been back in football for around a year and management for a matter of months and he’s already been out-thought by 2 experienced managers? Yeah definitely get rid of him ASAP then. Let him learn his trade with a different club and watch him come back to haunt us. That’s the way to treat people.
Do we have time to let him learn his trade?
Is a new owner going to give him a war chest to spend when he has never had one before?
If we don't get off to a flyer next season people will be calling for his head and we are back to square one.
This next managerial appointment is so so so so important. This close season is too.
He's done a good job pretty much everywhere he's been and is available. I'm surprised by the unison on here but of managers available he's probably got the best proven track record and he gets teams promoted bar Ipswich who spent absolutely nothing in his time there and he still got them into the playoffs one year.
If he was appointed I'd just feel pretty confident that we'd be alright, whereas Bowyer is much more of a gamble.
Any manager who takes off Fosu and brings on Kaikai needs to take a look at himself.
For me the Jury is out, the 12 games he had were very erratic, with half the games looking like KR had never left. BUT, with the squad he had perhaps that was the best we could reasonably expect. Our limitations up front ruined our season, with a proper goal scoring forward we may well have made it this year.
I would worry about him alone, being given our limited budget to build the side. But to manage the team and coach, I think he deserves a chance.
Bowyer has done a good job but will be a big gamble to appoint him full time and ask him to re build the squad. Same applies to Harry Kewell. Mick McCarthy will do for me and I believe he lives in Bromley. Should have appointed him 12 years ago instead of Dowie. I think a bit of dour northern grit wouldn't go a miss to get out of this northern division we are in.
Assuming we're getting new owners soon if I was pumping millions into a football club I'd like a proven manager at this level with a record of promotion as opposed to a relative novice. I also think Lee has an inkling already that he won't be in with a chance, surely the potential new owners would have assured him in private if they wanted him to stay when the sale goes through. He's not talking like he's expecting to be appointed.
No - was an ideal caretaker as he freed the players from Robinson's inflexible tactics and gave them belief, but showed his naivety in the playoffs (also in his media comments).
Eh? I don't want to drag us into a detailed discussion of his "naivety" against Shrewsbury ( although presumably 20 plus other managers are "naive" too, as Hurst's team beat them all at least once) but what on earth do you have against his media comments? I thought they were restrained and mature, and after Robinson, a blessed relief.
Yes he deserves a chance. I’d like to see what he can do with his own squad rather than Robinson’s unbalanced one.
The title winning season showed it was far too early to judge Powell after his first half season. Bowyer’s had 12 games and made the play-offs. It’s clear already he has very different ideas to Robinson. Given a decent budget I think he’d put together a squad more suitable for winning promotion from League 1.
Going with Bowyer because Powell worked out is just silly though isn't it. Powell had been talked up as a future manager (by Sven I believe) and I'm pretty sure had a lot more badges by the time he took over than Bowyer has (could be wrong though)
I really like the guy and would completely get behind him should he be appointed but there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever to suggest he can build a squad suitable for winning promotion form League One is there? He's not had a similar job to do that anywhere in his coaching career so far. It's projecting based on his character he'd get some hard nuts in?
We're in the position with hopefully a new owner we'd be the most attractive club in the league (probably the biggest budget even with the worries about Muir's funding) to manage next season with Sunderland in the shit and if a proven manager like Mick McCarthy or someone would take over we'd be in a great position for a promotion push next year. With Bowyer we might do the same, or he might be in the very long list of caretaker managers who provide a bounce then suddenly do not.
I'm grateful for Bowyer causing some excitement in what seemed a very disappointing and frustrating season, but we don't have to appoint him because of that if there is a safer option out there or owe him the full time job.
I’m not basing it on what Powell did, I’m just saying he deserves a chance and it’s too early judge him as a manager.
From watching games it was clear he had a more balanced approach than KR, who was focussed on playing out from the back, 4-2-3-1 and what he considered attractive football.
I’m not against a proven manager come in. If not Bowyer I’d like a young manager that’s had a good start to their career such as Nathan Jones. I’m not convinced experience is as important as it’s made out. Especially if the manager has experience within their back room staff.
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I wouldn’t be unhappy if Bowyer were to get the job but I’d prefer Powell, Hurst or McCarthy.
Its nice to a continuity through playing and coach staff like the old Liverpool boot room setup but we are light years away from that.
Give Bowyer a chance next season with the backing a club like ours should have by all means but you cant polish a turd of a club like ours and expect minor miracles.
Won't happen of course. So I'd be inclined to have a look around at who is available before jumping to appoint Bowyer.
I think a lot of people want a fairytale manager like Powell again. But would Bowyer have done better than Karl over as many games?
I think what having both types of manager proved is that we have some of the wrost strikers and attacking midfielders in the league. Whoever is in charge next season will struggle unless Roland sells and the new owners invest in the squad.
Don't forget Page - better defensively than Dasilva and that is his prime job after all. Dasilva is vastly over rated as a full back.
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Bowyer took a mentally weak squad destined for mid-table in to the play-offs beating Plymouth, Rotherham, Shrewsbury, Blackburn and Portsmouth to get there.
Yes, when it really mattered we didn't deliver, but as the saying goes better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all and until he took over we were going no-where fast.
99% of our fans would prefer Bowyer, and that shows that management experience isn't everything.
Definitely will need an experienced assistant alongside him. I am unsure him and Jackson would be able to cope too well with the riggers of a whole season without someone with a bit more managerial/coaching experience alongside them.
Give him the job, let him bring in the players and type of players we need for a balanced squad capable of winning promotion.
I’d like Bowyer to stay but agree he needs help in the scouting department to identify the right players for the job ahead.
Is a new owner going to give him a war chest to spend when he has never had one before?
If we don't get off to a flyer next season people will be calling for his head and we are back to square one.
This next managerial appointment is so so so so important. This close season is too.
If he was appointed I'd just feel pretty confident that we'd be alright, whereas Bowyer is much more of a gamble.
For me the Jury is out, the 12 games he had were very erratic, with half the games looking like KR had never left. BUT, with the squad he had perhaps that was the best we could reasonably expect. Our limitations up front ruined our season, with a proper goal scoring forward we may well have made it this year.
I would worry about him alone, being given our limited budget to build the side. But to manage the team and coach, I think he deserves a chance.
From watching games it was clear he had a more balanced approach than KR, who was focussed on playing out from the back, 4-2-3-1 and what he considered attractive football.
I’m not against a proven manager come in. If not Bowyer I’d like a young manager that’s had a good start to their career such as Nathan Jones. I’m not convinced experience is as important as it’s made out. Especially if the manager has experience within their back room staff.