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  • Chizz said:

    Chizz said:
    They have spent 250 mill on a badger cull - so far in a five year plan I believe.
    Big numbers but nothing to be afraid of.
    Just to be clear, you're saying that, instead of having £350m extra cash to spend, we have to find £57m a week is "nothing to be afraid of"?
    Leave it to the experts at the Treasury.
    These twitter twits are just frightening the children again.
    Fantastic advice. Pity we didn't leave it to them 18 months ago. We wouldn't be in this horrendous mess now.
  • As I have been trying to point out here on GDP forecasts for several months now...

  • Stig said:

    Because Chippy & Co would like it closed :wink:

    Keep it open as long as you like, this is better than reading a comic. Where else would you be called a nazi, a ignorant brexit twat, racist amongst other things.
  • Stig said:

    Because Chippy & Co would like it closed :wink:

    Except he is constantly on it
    I am, need a good laugh,.
  • Stig said:

    Because Chippy & Co would like it closed :wink:

    Keep it open as long as you like, this is better than reading a comic. Where else would you be called a nazi, a ignorant brexit twat, racist amongst other things.
    Who called you a Nazi?
    Go back and read all the posts, you will find it.... So being called a racist and ignorant brexit twat is ok then.
  • As I have been trying to point out here on GDP forecasts for several months now...

    Whose she.... Its funny as on lbc last week a professor of economics said quite the opposite.

    Also on Ian dale show last week when talking to an irish minister currently working in their prime ministers government, agreed that ireland exported 50% of its agriculture to the uk.. And 60-70% of its other goods. This came about as their jumped up litle pm was going to veto against us in the up and coming meetings.

    Then comes on this Doctor of irish EU economics and said they export 13% to the uk for agricultural and more to the USA...

    The formers figures were backed up by the independent prior to the brexit vote, who got rheir figures from errr the irish government.
  • As I have been trying to point out here on GDP forecasts for several months now...

    Whose she.... Its funny as on lbc last week a professor of economics said quite the opposite.

    Also on Ian dale show last week when talking to an irish minister currently working in their prime ministers government, agreed that ireland exported 50% of its agriculture to the uk.. And 60-70% of its other goods. This came about as their jumped up litle pm was going to veto against us in the up and coming meetings.

    Then comes on this Doctor of irish EU economics and said they export 13% to the uk for agricultural and more to the USA...

    The formers figures were backed up by the independent prior to the brexit vote, who got rheir figures from errr the irish government.
    They had Patrick Minford on, who's a fraud
  • As I have been trying to point out here on GDP forecasts for several months now...

    Whose she.... Its funny as on lbc last week a professor of economics said quite the opposite.

    Also on Ian dale show last week when talking to an irish minister currently working in their prime ministers government, agreed that ireland exported 50% of its agriculture to the uk.. And 60-70% of its other goods. This came about as their jumped up litle pm was going to veto against us in the up and coming meetings.

    Then comes on this Doctor of irish EU economics and said they export 13% to the uk for agricultural and more to the USA...

    The formers figures were backed up by the independent prior to the brexit vote, who got rheir figures from errr the irish government.
    This is great isn't it?

    On PMQ's today Theresa May said the common travel area in Ireland would stay, and there would be no infrastructure at the border in Ireland.

    Theresa May has abandoned or cancelled Brexit.

    So the export of ROI's agriculture into the UK will continue seeing as how Theresa May has announced today that brexit is over as far as taking back control of the borders is concerned.

    For somebody who says brexit was the democratic will of the British people to object to the democratically electedIrish Taoiseach by calling him 'jumped up', jumped up no less, a democratic decision is a jumped up one, for somebody to say that is truly somebody who loves to be ruled by the undemocratic parliamentary system in the UK where you are all subjects of The Queen.

    Elected yet jumped up, unelected yet sovereign.

    Anyway rejoice, brexit has been cancelled today.

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  • Stig said:

    Because Chippy & Co would like it closed :wink:

    Keep it open as long as you like, this is better than reading a comic. Where else would you be called a nazi, a ignorant brexit twat, racist amongst other things.
    Who called you a Nazi?
    Go back and read all the posts, you will find it.... So being called a racist and ignorant brexit twat is ok then.
    Has anyone on here ever called you a fabulist?
  • Chizz said:

    Chizz said:

    Chizz said:
    They have spent 250 mill on a badger cull - so far in a five year plan I believe.
    Big numbers but nothing to be afraid of.
    Just to be clear, you're saying that, instead of having £350m extra cash to spend, we have to find £57m a week is "nothing to be afraid of"?
    Leave it to the experts at the Treasury.
    These twitter twits are just frightening the children again.
    The Chancellor announced the additional cost of £3bn. So, again, let me suggest that voting for a windfall of £350m and, instead of getting it, receiving a bill of £57m, is probably worth being "afraid of", on balance. Although, as you brought up the issue of "the children", maybe we should we just leave it to them to worry about, like every other part of the self-inflicted economic chaos that is being brought about by Brexit.
    IF the £350m a week is true (and who knows?) it will be a payment we will not be making for the foreseeable future. That's a big total !
    All the numbers are made up anyway !
    Don't panic - let's Brexit.
  • seth plum said:

    As I have been trying to point out here on GDP forecasts for several months now...

    Whose she.... Its funny as on lbc last week a professor of economics said quite the opposite.

    Also on Ian dale show last week when talking to an irish minister currently working in their prime ministers government, agreed that ireland exported 50% of its agriculture to the uk.. And 60-70% of its other goods. This came about as their jumped up litle pm was going to veto against us in the up and coming meetings.

    Then comes on this Doctor of irish EU economics and said they export 13% to the uk for agricultural and more to the USA...

    The formers figures were backed up by the independent prior to the brexit vote, who got rheir figures from errr the irish government.
    This is great isn't it?

    On PMQ's today Theresa May said the common travel area in Ireland would stay, and there would be no infrastructure at the border in Ireland.

    Theresa May has abandoned or cancelled Brexit.

    So the export of ROI's agriculture into the UK will continue seeing as how Theresa May has announced today that brexit is over as far as taking back control of the borders is concerned.

    For somebody who says brexit was the democratic will of the British people to object to the democratically electedIrish Taoiseach by calling him 'jumped up', jumped up no less, a democratic decision is a jumped up one, for somebody to say that is truly somebody who loves to be ruled by the undemocratic parliamentary system in the UK where you are all subjects of The Queen.

    Elected yet jumped up, unelected yet sovereign.

    Anyway rejoice, brexit has been cancelled today.

    The BBC ran a story earlier today that the EU don't give a toss about the border but are just using it as a stalling tactic to get Brexit cancelled or a bigger wad of cash from UK.

    But you say it has been canceled this afternoon ?
    So why is everybody rucking on here?
  • edited November 2017

    Chizz said:

    Chizz said:

    Chizz said:
    They have spent 250 mill on a badger cull - so far in a five year plan I believe.
    Big numbers but nothing to be afraid of.
    Just to be clear, you're saying that, instead of having £350m extra cash to spend, we have to find £57m a week is "nothing to be afraid of"?
    Leave it to the experts at the Treasury.
    These twitter twits are just frightening the children again.
    The Chancellor announced the additional cost of £3bn. So, again, let me suggest that voting for a windfall of £350m and, instead of getting it, receiving a bill of £57m, is probably worth being "afraid of", on balance. Although, as you brought up the issue of "the children", maybe we should we just leave it to them to worry about, like every other part of the self-inflicted economic chaos that is being brought about by Brexit.
    IF the £350m a week is true (and who knows?) it will be a payment we will not be making for the foreseeable future. That's a big total !
    All the numbers are made up anyway !
    Don't panic - let's Brexit.
    1. We have not seen any benefit from the £350m a week. As predicted.
    2. We have - today - stumped up another £57m a week.

    The former number was, of course, made up, unreliable, a lie - call it what you will. The latter - our cost, to be paid by UK taxpayers - is a fact, introduced by the Chancellor today and payable for (at least) the next two years.

    So, whereas we were promised we would be better off to the tune of £350m, so far that estimate is out by £407m a week. That's a lot of hospitals we are going to have to do without.
  • seth plum said:

    As I have been trying to point out here on GDP forecasts for several months now...

    Whose she.... Its funny as on lbc last week a professor of economics said quite the opposite.

    Also on Ian dale show last week when talking to an irish minister currently working in their prime ministers government, agreed that ireland exported 50% of its agriculture to the uk.. And 60-70% of its other goods. This came about as their jumped up litle pm was going to veto against us in the up and coming meetings.

    Then comes on this Doctor of irish EU economics and said they export 13% to the uk for agricultural and more to the USA...

    The formers figures were backed up by the independent prior to the brexit vote, who got rheir figures from errr the irish government.
    This is great isn't it?

    On PMQ's today Theresa May said the common travel area in Ireland would stay, and there would be no infrastructure at the border in Ireland.

    Theresa May has abandoned or cancelled Brexit.

    So the export of ROI's agriculture into the UK will continue seeing as how Theresa May has announced today that brexit is over as far as taking back control of the borders is concerned.

    For somebody who says brexit was the democratic will of the British people to object to the democratically electedIrish Taoiseach by calling him 'jumped up', jumped up no less, a democratic decision is a jumped up one, for somebody to say that is truly somebody who loves to be ruled by the undemocratic parliamentary system in the UK where you are all subjects of The Queen.

    Elected yet jumped up, unelected yet sovereign.

    Anyway rejoice, brexit has been cancelled today.

    The BBC ran a story earlier today that the EU don't give a toss about the border but are just using it as a stalling tactic to get Brexit cancelled or a bigger wad of cash from UK.

    But you say it has been canceled this afternoon ?
    So why is everybody rucking on here?
    Indeed.
    As the Stranglers say 'no more brexit any more'.
  • Chizz said:

    Chizz said:

    Chizz said:
    They have spent 250 mill on a badger cull - so far in a five year plan I believe.
    Big numbers but nothing to be afraid of.
    Just to be clear, you're saying that, instead of having £350m extra cash to spend, we have to find £57m a week is "nothing to be afraid of"?
    Leave it to the experts at the Treasury.
    These twitter twits are just frightening the children again.
    The Chancellor announced the additional cost of £3bn. So, again, let me suggest that voting for a windfall of £350m and, instead of getting it, receiving a bill of £57m, is probably worth being "afraid of", on balance. Although, as you brought up the issue of "the children", maybe we should we just leave it to them to worry about, like every other part of the self-inflicted economic chaos that is being brought about by Brexit.
    IF the £350m a week is true (and who knows?) it will be a payment we will not be making for the foreseeable future. That's a big total !
    All the numbers are made up anyway !
    Don't panic - let's Brexit.
    350m is a correct figure I believe .. however it is gross pre-rebate, not net, so is far away from the actual figure which I believe is in the vicinity of 280m.
  • As I have been trying to point out here on GDP forecasts for several months now...

    Whose she.... Its funny as on lbc last week a professor of economics said quite the opposite.

    Also on Ian dale show last week when talking to an irish minister currently working in their prime ministers government, agreed that ireland exported 50% of its agriculture to the uk.. And 60-70% of its other goods. This came about as their jumped up litle pm was going to veto against us in the up and coming meetings.

    Then comes on this Doctor of irish EU economics and said they export 13% to the uk for agricultural and more to the USA...

    The formers figures were backed up by the independent prior to the brexit vote, who got rheir figures from errr the irish government.
    The figure for 60-70% of Irish exported goods going to the UK would, I might suggest, include goods in transit. While the impact on the Irish economy is more significant for agricultural products, especially beef and milk, the UK is nowhere near as important to the Irish economy as it once was (a far greater proportion of Irish business relies on the rest of the EU).

    Jumped up or otherwise, the Taoiseach is doing his best to represent Irish interests, even if that means voting against entering into future relationship discussions. He seems, at the moment, to be doing a better job of gaining necessary support from the EU than his counterpart.
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  • As I have been trying to point out here on GDP forecasts for several months now...

    Whose she.... Its funny as on lbc last week a professor of economics said quite the opposite.

    Also on Ian dale show last week when talking to an irish minister currently working in their prime ministers government, agreed that ireland exported 50% of its agriculture to the uk.. And 60-70% of its other goods. This came about as their jumped up litle pm was going to veto against us in the up and coming meetings.

    Then comes on this Doctor of irish EU economics and said they export 13% to the uk for agricultural and more to the USA...

    The formers figures were backed up by the independent prior to the brexit vote, who got rheir figures from errr the irish government.
    The figure for 60-70% of Irish exported goods going to the UK would, I might suggest, include goods in transit. While the impact on the Irish economy is more significant for agricultural products, especially beef and milk, the UK is nowhere near as important to the Irish economy as it once was (a far greater proportion of Irish business relies on the rest of the EU).

    Jumped up or otherwise, the Taoiseach is doing his best to represent Irish interests, even if that means voting against entering into future relationship discussions. He seems, at the moment, to be doing a better job of gaining necessary support from the EU than his counterpart.
    I dont really care about % s on either side of the camp.. Or twitter comments by pratts who dont matter and who have not got the foggiest. My point we can sit all day and post ridicculous links by people no-ones heard off to back their narrow view... By the way where is link man, is he on holiday.
  • seth plum said:

    As I have been trying to point out here on GDP forecasts for several months now...

    Whose she.... Its funny as on lbc last week a professor of economics said quite the opposite.

    Also on Ian dale show last week when talking to an irish minister currently working in their prime ministers government, agreed that ireland exported 50% of its agriculture to the uk.. And 60-70% of its other goods. This came about as their jumped up litle pm was going to veto against us in the up and coming meetings.

    Then comes on this Doctor of irish EU economics and said they export 13% to the uk for agricultural and more to the USA...

    The formers figures were backed up by the independent prior to the brexit vote, who got rheir figures from errr the irish government.
    This is great isn't it?

    On PMQ's today Theresa May said the common travel area in Ireland would stay, and there would be no infrastructure at the border in Ireland.

    Theresa May has abandoned or cancelled Brexit.

    So the export of ROI's agriculture into the UK will continue seeing as how Theresa May has announced today that brexit is over as far as taking back control of the borders is concerned.

    For somebody who says brexit was the democratic will of the British people to object to the democratically electedIrish Taoiseach by calling him 'jumped up', jumped up no less, a democratic decision is a jumped up one, for somebody to say that is truly somebody who loves to be ruled by the undemocratic parliamentary system in the UK where you are all subjects of The Queen.

    Elected yet jumped up, unelected yet sovereign.

    Anyway rejoice, brexit has been cancelled today.

    The BBC ran a story earlier today that the EU don't give a toss about the border but are just using it as a stalling tactic to get Brexit cancelled or a bigger wad of cash from UK.

    But you say it has been canceled this afternoon ?
    So why is everybody rucking on here?
    Except for the fact that the EU is its member states, of which Ireland is one, and they each have to agree on whether sufficient progress has been made. Collectively, also, they will not wish to undermine their external borders.

    So, if the Irish Government does not believe that enough detail has been provided to satisfy it that a workable border solution is at hand; or if the other member states believe that the border proposals do not meet the EU's basic requirements, there will be no move to any second phase of discussions.

    The clue, if you will, about the importance of the border is that that nice Mr. Varadkar keeps talking about a veto. Assuming, just this once, that a politician might know about that of which they speak, this would indicate that his is a position of some strength, and not one that can just be ignored. On a personal level, I would have expected, had the rest of the EU wished to be able to overrule him, that the award of the EMA/EBA might have been delayed to allow for potential use as compensation/sweetener.
  • To be honest I have never heard of this.


    The European Commission has given a Budget Day boost to Philip Hammond, announcing that it will be taking the UK off the list of countries with too-large spending deficits.
    Naming the Chancellor personally, Pierre Moscovici, the EU finance's commissioner, told reporters in Brussels that the UK would be removed from the EU's Excessive Deficit Procedure (EDP).
    The economics chief said the UK had "durably" reduced its deficit, meaning it would no longer be subject to the potential fines and economic sanctions for having a higher deficit.
    “On what happens to be the day on which Phil Hammond presents his 2018 budget in the House of Commons, we have good news for him - we are recommending the closure of the Excessive Deficit Procedure for the UK because the country durably reduced its deficit from a peak of 10 per cent of GDP in 2009-2010 to 2.3 per cent in 2016-17 in line with he Council recommendation of 2015," he said on Wednesday, hours ahead of the UK's Budget statement.
  • seth plum said:

    As I have been trying to point out here on GDP forecasts for several months now...

    Whose she.... Its funny as on lbc last week a professor of economics said quite the opposite.

    Also on Ian dale show last week when talking to an irish minister currently working in their prime ministers government, agreed that ireland exported 50% of its agriculture to the uk.. And 60-70% of its other goods. This came about as their jumped up litle pm was going to veto against us in the up and coming meetings.

    Then comes on this Doctor of irish EU economics and said they export 13% to the uk for agricultural and more to the USA...

    The formers figures were backed up by the independent prior to the brexit vote, who got rheir figures from errr the irish government.
    This is great isn't it?

    On PMQ's today Theresa May said the common travel area in Ireland would stay, and there would be no infrastructure at the border in Ireland.

    Theresa May has abandoned or cancelled Brexit.

    So the export of ROI's agriculture into the UK will continue seeing as how Theresa May has announced today that brexit is over as far as taking back control of the borders is concerned.

    For somebody who says brexit was the democratic will of the British people to object to the democratically electedIrish Taoiseach by calling him 'jumped up', jumped up no less, a democratic decision is a jumped up one, for somebody to say that is truly somebody who loves to be ruled by the undemocratic parliamentary system in the UK where you are all subjects of The Queen.

    Elected yet jumped up, unelected yet sovereign.

    Anyway rejoice, brexit has been cancelled today.

    The BBC ran a story earlier today that the EU don't give a toss about the border but are just using it as a stalling tactic to get Brexit cancelled or a bigger wad of cash from UK.

    But you say it has been canceled this afternoon ?
    So why is everybody rucking on here?
    Except for the fact that the EU is its member states, of which Ireland is one, and they each have to agree on whether sufficient progress has been made. Collectively, also, they will not wish to undermine their external borders.

    So, if the Irish Government does not believe that enough detail has been provided to satisfy it that a workable border solution is at hand; or if the other member states believe that the border proposals do not meet the EU's basic requirements, there will be no move to any second phase of discussions.

    The clue, if you will, about the importance of the border is that that nice Mr. Varadkar keeps talking about a veto. Assuming, just this once, that a politician might know about that of which they speak, this would indicate that his is a position of some strength, and not one that can just be ignored. On a personal level, I would have expected, had the rest of the EU wished to be able to overrule him, that the award of the EMA/EBA might have been delayed to allow for potential use as compensation/sweetener.
    The other part of the BBC story alluded to previously constructive talks between the UK/ROI about the border, which were strangely halted, and the inference was that the EU had told the ROI to stop talking.
  • stonemuse said:

    To be honest I have never heard of this.


    The European Commission has given a Budget Day boost to Philip Hammond, announcing that it will be taking the UK off the list of countries with too-large spending deficits.
    Naming the Chancellor personally, Pierre Moscovici, the EU finance's commissioner, told reporters in Brussels that the UK would be removed from the EU's Excessive Deficit Procedure (EDP).
    The economics chief said the UK had "durably" reduced its deficit, meaning it would no longer be subject to the potential fines and economic sanctions for having a higher deficit.
    “On what happens to be the day on which Phil Hammond presents his 2018 budget in the House of Commons, we have good news for him - we are recommending the closure of the Excessive Deficit Procedure for the UK because the country durably reduced its deficit from a peak of 10 per cent of GDP in 2009-2010 to 2.3 per cent in 2016-17 in line with he Council recommendation of 2015," he said on Wednesday, hours ahead of the UK's Budget statement.

    Meanwhile in Greece. Portugal and Italy...............
  • edited November 2017

    As I have been trying to point out here on GDP forecasts for several months now...

    Whose she.... Its funny as on lbc last week a professor of economics said quite the opposite.

    Also on Ian dale show last week when talking to an irish minister currently working in their prime ministers government, agreed that ireland exported 50% of its agriculture to the uk.. And 60-70% of its other goods. This came about as their jumped up litle pm was going to veto against us in the up and coming meetings.

    Then comes on this Doctor of irish EU economics and said they export 13% to the uk for agricultural and more to the USA...

    The formers figures were backed up by the independent prior to the brexit vote, who got rheir figures from errr the irish government.
    The figure for 60-70% of Irish exported goods going to the UK would, I might suggest, include goods in transit. While the impact on the Irish economy is more significant for agricultural products, especially beef and milk, the UK is nowhere near as important to the Irish economy as it once was (a far greater proportion of Irish business relies on the rest of the EU).

    Jumped up or otherwise, the Taoiseach is doing his best to represent Irish interests, even if that means voting against entering into future relationship discussions. He seems, at the moment, to be doing a better job of gaining necessary support from the EU than his counterpart.
    I dont really care about % s on either side of the camp.. Or twitter comments by pratts who dont matter and who have not got the foggiest. My point we can sit all day and post ridicculous links by people no-ones heard off to back their narrow view... By the way where is link man, is he on holiday.
    Still here. Isn't it about time for another story about how you or your wife are battling behind the scenes like Brexit superheros to save the rest of us from the evils of the EU?

    By the way....4 sentences... 6 grammar errors...most of the EU nationals you would like to eject from the country are probably more literate in the English language than you.
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