The steaming pile of excrescence that is Matthew Elliott, bagged and binned by a Parliamentary Select Committee led by Andrew Tyrie. What a pity more people don't see these clips
I'm probably in the very big minority but if I was Matthew Elliott I would have stood up for myself more & said -" I didn't refuse to attend your Select Committee on the dates you asked, but I had already had prior engagements in my diary. I'm sorry if they clashed with when you wanted me here, but I couldn't re-arrange them in the time you gave me" (which they said was 5 days, he thought it 2 or 3).
Also think Andrew Tyrie sounds like a pompous git.
The steaming pile of excrescence that is Matthew Elliott, bagged and binned by a Parliamentary Select Committee led by Andrew Tyrie. What a pity more people don't see these clips
I'm probably in the very big minority but if I was Matthew Elliott I would have stood up for myself more & said -" I didn't refuse to attend your Select Committee on the dates you asked, but I had already had prior engagements in my diary. I'm sorry if they clashed with when you wanted me here, but I couldn't re-arrange them in the time you gave me" (which they said was 5 days, he thought it 2 or 3).
Also think Andrew Tyrie sounds like a pompous git.
Well you obviously don't understand the importance and standing of such Committees (although i am surprised that @Rob7Lee apparently doesn't either). If you had paid attention you would have heard Tyrie explaining it. Even Rupert Murdoch turned up.
These Committees are one of the reasons why our Parliamentary system is much admired. Jacob Rees-Mogg is a keen and regular participant.
Obviously they don't fit in with the shrill fact-light discourse of the times, but those who appreciate such forensic inquiries might also want to check out the earlier session with Dominic Cummings
I'm a bit concerned about the level of understanding that HMG have of the negotiations in which, I am occasionally reliably informed, they are involved with the EU.
It seems tonight that the Cabinet have agreed that they will increase their offer (for the first time dealing with the EU's listed principles/methodology behind any payment due on leaving), but this is conditional on achieving a trade agreement, and they seem to believe that such payment will be part of such a deal on the future relationship: (https://theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/20/theresa-mays-cabinet-agrees-to-pay-more-to-break-brexit-deadlock).
Don't get me wrong, this is progress, and I'm always glad to see progress. But, it is worrying that Ministers and spokesmen/women for HMG don't seem to understand that the Article 50 process is separate from any trade deal (though it may take the outline of any deal into consideration), and are adamant that such a payment will only be made following trade agreement. I'm not in a position to know for certain, but I suspect this will prove as maladroit as the have cake and eat it approach, because it is a variation on the same theme.
The agreement of a "divorce" settlement, acceptable to both sides, is only about Brexit, not about life after Brexit. At the very best, an agreement on the liabilities would help create a strong sense of goodwill on the EU27 of the negotiations for any FTA. On the other hand, the line that seems to be being taken this evening will make an agreed Brexit more difficult, never mind any trading agreement. Either the UK agrees that it is liable for payment of monies it committed to as a member of the EU, or it doesn't. If it doesn't agree with the EU perspective on such liabilities, that has consequences, an approach of only agreeing with them in certain circumstances would rankle with the EU27 (and would hint, at least, of bad faith).
However, even if the EU27 determine their is sufficient progress (depending on the detail that is submitted by that nice Mr. Davis and his happy crew), on the financial liabilities, the HMG decision to reject, out of hand, both the Customs Union and the Single Market, makes its "solutions" for the border in Ireland nonsensical. I might be inclined to argue that, having lost out in its efforts to attract the headquarters of both the European Banking and Medicines Agencies, other EU states may be a little more willing than they have already proved to be (and they have been resolute to date) to support the Irish Government's position on whether "sufficient progress" has been made on the border. And there is little, or nothing, to suggest that it has.
I worry that the environs of Downing Street may be populated by the hard of thinking, I really do.
I don't imagine that any of us can really afford to have the scoping discussions on future trading and other relationships (never mind detailed negotiations) held back to March or April.
A lot is made in the press about the Westminster bubble, I think this may be one very real case of that phenomena playing out. The same people, working in the same environment, getting the same briefings from their insular party advisors, not paying attention to the real world.
The steaming pile of excrescence that is Matthew Elliott, bagged and binned by a Parliamentary Select Committee led by Andrew Tyrie. What a pity more people don't see these clips
I'm probably in the very big minority but if I was Matthew Elliott I would have stood up for myself more & said -" I didn't refuse to attend your Select Committee on the dates you asked, but I had already had prior engagements in my diary. I'm sorry if they clashed with when you wanted me here, but I couldn't re-arrange them in the time you gave me" (which they said was 5 days, he thought it 2 or 3).
Also think Andrew Tyrie sounds like a pompous git.
Sounds from that Golfie as if you may be confused which Matt Elliott Prague is talking about. Not this one:
The steaming pile of excrescence that is Matthew Elliott, bagged and binned by a Parliamentary Select Committee led by Andrew Tyrie. What a pity more people don't see these clips
I'm probably in the very big minority but if I was Matthew Elliott I would have stood up for myself more & said -" I didn't refuse to attend your Select Committee on the dates you asked, but I had already had prior engagements in my diary. I'm sorry if they clashed with when you wanted me here, but I couldn't re-arrange them in the time you gave me" (which they said was 5 days, he thought it 2 or 3).
Also think Andrew Tyrie sounds like a pompous git.
You do know what a commons select committee is don’t you ?
The steaming pile of excrescence that is Matthew Elliott, bagged and binned by a Parliamentary Select Committee led by Andrew Tyrie. What a pity more people don't see these clips
I'm probably in the very big minority but if I was Matthew Elliott I would have stood up for myself more & said -" I didn't refuse to attend your Select Committee on the dates you asked, but I had already had prior engagements in my diary. I'm sorry if they clashed with when you wanted me here, but I couldn't re-arrange them in the time you gave me" (which they said was 5 days, he thought it 2 or 3).
Also think Andrew Tyrie sounds like a pompous git.
You do know what a commons select committee is don’t you ?
Is it like a Premier League Select XI when they play a World XI in one of those there charity games?
The steaming pile of excrescence that is Matthew Elliott, bagged and binned by a Parliamentary Select Committee led by Andrew Tyrie. What a pity more people don't see these clips
I'm probably in the very big minority but if I was Matthew Elliott I would have stood up for myself more & said -" I didn't refuse to attend your Select Committee on the dates you asked, but I had already had prior engagements in my diary. I'm sorry if they clashed with when you wanted me here, but I couldn't re-arrange them in the time you gave me" (which they said was 5 days, he thought it 2 or 3).
Also think Andrew Tyrie sounds like a pompous git.
You do know what a commons select committee is don’t you ?
Is it like a Premier League Select XI when they play a World XI in one of those there charity games?
Looking at the front pages today the Tories must be over the moon Paul Hollywood and his missus have split up. Much more important news than anything else going on.
The steaming pile of excrescence that is Matthew Elliott, bagged and binned by a Parliamentary Select Committee led by Andrew Tyrie. What a pity more people don't see these clips
I'm probably in the very big minority but if I was Matthew Elliott I would have stood up for myself more & said -" I didn't refuse to attend your Select Committee on the dates you asked, but I had already had prior engagements in my diary. I'm sorry if they clashed with when you wanted me here, but I couldn't re-arrange them in the time you gave me" (which they said was 5 days, he thought it 2 or 3).
Also think Andrew Tyrie sounds like a pompous git.
You do know what a commons select committee is don’t you ?
He's a moron brexit voter, I'm surprised he knows what electricity is.
The steaming pile of excrescence that is Matthew Elliott, bagged and binned by a Parliamentary Select Committee led by Andrew Tyrie. What a pity more people don't see these clips
I'm probably in the very big minority but if I was Matthew Elliott I would have stood up for myself more & said -" I didn't refuse to attend your Select Committee on the dates you asked, but I had already had prior engagements in my diary. I'm sorry if they clashed with when you wanted me here, but I couldn't re-arrange them in the time you gave me" (which they said was 5 days, he thought it 2 or 3).
Also think Andrew Tyrie sounds like a pompous git.
You do know what a commons select committee is don’t you ?
Is it like a Premier League Select XI when they play a World XI in one of those there charity games?
The steaming pile of excrescence that is Matthew Elliott, bagged and binned by a Parliamentary Select Committee led by Andrew Tyrie. What a pity more people don't see these clips
I'm probably in the very big minority but if I was Matthew Elliott I would have stood up for myself more & said -" I didn't refuse to attend your Select Committee on the dates you asked, but I had already had prior engagements in my diary. I'm sorry if they clashed with when you wanted me here, but I couldn't re-arrange them in the time you gave me" (which they said was 5 days, he thought it 2 or 3).
Also think Andrew Tyrie sounds like a pompous git.
You do know what a commons select committee is don’t you ?
He's a moron brexit voter, I'm surprised he knows what electricity is.
Thank you.
I do know what select committies are & the importance they play. Just felt that Mr Elliott had explained to them why he couldn't make it on the original dates & he was being sincere.
The steaming pile of excrescence that is Matthew Elliott, bagged and binned by a Parliamentary Select Committee led by Andrew Tyrie. What a pity more people don't see these clips
I'm probably in the very big minority but if I was Matthew Elliott I would have stood up for myself more & said -" I didn't refuse to attend your Select Committee on the dates you asked, but I had already had prior engagements in my diary. I'm sorry if they clashed with when you wanted me here, but I couldn't re-arrange them in the time you gave me" (which they said was 5 days, he thought it 2 or 3).
Also think Andrew Tyrie sounds like a pompous git.
You do know what a commons select committee is don’t you ?
He's a moron brexit voter, I'm surprised he knows what electricity is.
Thank you.
I do know what select committies are & the importance they play. Just felt that Mr Elliott had explained to them why he couldn't make it on the original dates & he was being sincere.
@Stu_of_Kunming was being ironic. He's on your side, basically. You're welcome.
You appear to have missed that Mister Elliott's excuse for the first date was readily accepted by the Committee. It is not acceptable for a UK citizen resident in the UK to refuse to attend because he's got something else "more important" to do in Switzerland. You cancel that. It's a bit like jury service. It's your duty as a citizen.
You may also note that Andrew Tyrie was trying to get out of Elliott what advice Gisela Stuart gave him regarding appearing in front of the committee. We did not get a straight answer, did we? In fact Mister Elliott gave very clear non -verbal signals that his relationship with the truth is as weak as his commitment to the sovereign parliamentary democracy he claims to be defending.
But at least he was dressed correctly, unlike Cummings whose very appearance screamed disrespect.
I expect at some point soon, the Goings On in Germany will make some kind of appearance on here. Generally I feel that even the more considered British media will present them through a British prism. So for those who are interested I warmly recommend the - free - international pages of Der Spiegel. Already you've got three articles there which present a distinctively different view of the coalition talks failure. Also this article on the rise of the AfD and causes of it, is far and away the most insightful I have read.
Handelsblatt has an international edition, but it sees itself as the German FT, and is certainly looking to follow the FT paywall model, so you won't get much for free.
Overall though if you want to know what's happening in Germany, (or what the Germans really think about Brexit, come to that) best to ask a German with a brain, and there are a lot of them at Spiegel.
I expect at some point soon, the Goings On in Germany will make some kind of appearance on here. Generally I feel that even the more considered British media will present them through a British prism. So for those who are interested I warmly recommend the - free - international pages of Der Spiegel. Already you've got three articles there which present a distinctively different view of the coalition talks failure. Also this article on the rise of the AfD and causes of it, is far and away the most insightful I have read.
Handelsblatt has an international edition, but it sees itself as the German FT, and is certainly looking to follow the FT paywall model, so you won't get much for free.
Overall though if you want to know what's happening in Germany, (or what the Germans really think about Brexit, come to that) best to ask a German with a brain, and there are a lot of them at Spiegel.
For what its worth i am in Nuremburg from the 4th December for 5 days on one of our conferences... We have about 50 colleagues work in our office there, its just outside Cologne.
Re brexit, we had a discussion earlier this year when bloody someone brought it up, roughly a third don't give a toss, a third wish they had the bollocks to do it and the other third don't want us to leave. Not sure obviously how this would pan out nationally.
I suspect they will be more concerned with their own issues to ask again this time.
Maybe you could come along one evening for a beer, wouldn't take you long.
The medical and banking agencies going (despite Brexit Bulldog saying they wouldn't), we've lost our seat at the International Court of Justice (symptomatic of Brexit rather than because of it I would suggest) and today warnings about the effect of Brexit on the aerospace industry http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42065836 - these are not zero hour contract minimum wage jobs! Now the DUP are telling Dublin to back off - we know that's all going to end well.
Add to that Davies saying that contingency planning should be read as preparing for no deal.
What the f*ck are we doing to ourselves. We risk being seen (if not already) as some tin-pot low tax offshore haven with zero credibility or influence on the world stage - looking back with doe-eyes at the age of empire.
We had a seat at the top table - one of the biggest players in the EU, we actually had control over the so-called lazy benefit cheats flooding in from eastern Europe. We have pretty much full employment but the vacancies are going to go through the roof - still lots of job losses likely so one balances the other. We had the veto on any treaty change, Maggie's rebate, we were outside the euro zone, not part of the Greek rescue, and full unhindered access to the biggest market place in the world. We control our borders (outside of Schengen) and our fiscal policies.
Yes we were duty bound to accept ECJ rulings - but how many of those were 'bad law'? We seem fixated with the ECJ taking away our sovereignty - are we also going to withdraw from NATO and the UN?
Sorry for the rant but I'm getting more and more angry at what we have done to ourselves.
Despite the "slight" geographical blunder, his figures tally with what I've experienced after spending a fair chunk of time in Frankfurt this year.
Although, maybe I'd add a fourth group into the mix (obviously not a third each now before any smart arses that like to twist words jump in) which is those that are excited about the potential influx of businesses to the area. They were convinced the EBA was going their way though, so not a great start.
I understand the sentiment and the frustration, but I don’t think these tweets help. I know there are some very narrow minded views out there, but this just polarises it more and perpetuates the generalisation
I understand the sentiment and the frustration, but I don’t think these tweets help. I know there are some very narrow minded views out there, but this just polarises it more and perpetuates the generalisation
Ps - that’s not a dig at you for putting them up Callum
I expect at some point soon, the Goings On in Germany will make some kind of appearance on here. Generally I feel that even the more considered British media will present them through a British prism. So for those who are interested I warmly recommend the - free - international pages of Der Spiegel. Already you've got three articles there which present a distinctively different view of the coalition talks failure. Also this article on the rise of the AfD and causes of it, is far and away the most insightful I have read.
Handelsblatt has an international edition, but it sees itself as the German FT, and is certainly looking to follow the FT paywall model, so you won't get much for free.
Overall though if you want to know what's happening in Germany, (or what the Germans really think about Brexit, come to that) best to ask a German with a brain, and there are a lot of them at Spiegel.
For what its worth i am in Nuremburg from the 4th December for 5 days on one of our conferences... We have about 50 colleagues work in our office there, its just outside Cologne.
Re brexit, we had a discussion earlier this year when bloody someone brought it up, roughly a third don't give a toss, a third wish they had the bollocks to do it and the other third don't want us to leave. Not sure obviously how this would pan out nationally.
I suspect they will be more concerned with their own issues to ask again this time.
Maybe you could come along one evening for a beer, wouldn't take you long.
Hi Chips
Nuernberg is indeed only 2.5 hours easy drive, (whereas Cologne is closer to Eltham!) but 6th morning I'm heading to London (and the Pompey game), so it isn't the best time, as I'd need to stay the night. And it is packed solid this time of year with mugs doing the Christmas market. I'm not a fan, it's become completely monstrous. But the Nuernberg sausages with beer are good. It will I'm sure be interesting to hear what your colleagues have to say, especially over a beer or six. What kind of business is it and what kind of professions would they be?
BTW I see on Twitter that Andrew Neil is amply proving my point from earlier about Germany through a British prism.
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Also think Andrew Tyrie sounds like a pompous git.
These Committees are one of the reasons why our Parliamentary system is much admired. Jacob Rees-Mogg is a keen and regular participant.
Obviously they don't fit in with the shrill fact-light discourse of the times, but those who appreciate such forensic inquiries might also want to check out the earlier session with Dominic Cummings
I do know what select committies are & the importance they play. Just felt that Mr Elliott had explained to them why he couldn't make it on the original dates & he was being sincere.
You appear to have missed that Mister Elliott's excuse for the first date was readily accepted by the Committee. It is not acceptable for a UK citizen resident in the UK to refuse to attend because he's got something else "more important" to do in Switzerland. You cancel that. It's a bit like jury service. It's your duty as a citizen.
You may also note that Andrew Tyrie was trying to get out of Elliott what advice Gisela Stuart gave him regarding appearing in front of the committee. We did not get a straight answer, did we? In fact Mister Elliott gave very clear non -verbal signals that his relationship with the truth is as weak as his commitment to the sovereign parliamentary democracy he claims to be defending.
But at least he was dressed correctly, unlike Cummings whose very appearance screamed disrespect.
Handelsblatt has an international edition, but it sees itself as the German FT, and is certainly looking to follow the FT paywall model, so you won't get much for free.
Overall though if you want to know what's happening in Germany, (or what the Germans really think about Brexit, come to that) best to ask a German with a brain, and there are a lot of them at Spiegel.
Re brexit, we had a discussion earlier this year when bloody someone brought it up, roughly a third don't give a toss, a third wish they had the bollocks to do it and the other third don't want us to leave. Not sure obviously how this would pan out nationally.
I suspect they will be more concerned with their own issues to ask again this time.
Maybe you could come along one evening for a beer, wouldn't take you long.
Add to that Davies saying that contingency planning should be read as preparing for no deal.
What the f*ck are we doing to ourselves. We risk being seen (if not already) as some tin-pot low tax offshore haven with zero credibility or influence on the world stage - looking back with doe-eyes at the age of empire.
We had a seat at the top table - one of the biggest players in the EU, we actually had control over the so-called lazy benefit cheats flooding in from eastern Europe. We have pretty much full employment but the vacancies are going to go through the roof - still lots of job losses likely so one balances the other. We had the veto on any treaty change, Maggie's rebate, we were outside the euro zone, not part of the Greek rescue, and full unhindered access to the biggest market place in the world. We control our borders (outside of Schengen) and our fiscal policies.
Yes we were duty bound to accept ECJ rulings - but how many of those were 'bad law'? We seem fixated with the ECJ taking away our sovereignty - are we also going to withdraw from NATO and the UN?
Sorry for the rant but I'm getting more and more angry at what we have done to ourselves.
Although, maybe I'd add a fourth group into the mix (obviously not a third each now before any smart arses that like to twist words jump in) which is those that are excited about the potential influx of businesses to the area. They were convinced the EBA was going their way though, so not a great start.
Nuernberg is indeed only 2.5 hours easy drive, (whereas Cologne is closer to Eltham!) but 6th morning I'm heading to London (and the Pompey game), so it isn't the best time, as I'd need to stay the night. And it is packed solid this time of year with mugs doing the Christmas market. I'm not a fan, it's become completely monstrous. But the Nuernberg sausages with beer are good. It will I'm sure be interesting to hear what your colleagues have to say, especially over a beer or six. What kind of business is it and what kind of professions would they be?
BTW I see on Twitter that Andrew Neil is amply proving my point from earlier about Germany through a British prism.