Saturday's Sun piece, strangely omitted from the Irish edition, has been widely noted on this side of the Irish Sea - I'm not entirely convinced that it has helped the Brexit cause...
Gerrman MEP on LBC this morning said, it will be sad when you leave as your the only sensible country apart from us in the EU.
Which one? Are they members of that group UKIP are?
I'm sure the Dutch, Danish, Swedish, Irish, Finnish and all the others will be distraught to hear they're not very "sensible", whatever that's supposed to mean.
It was his view... I forgot he is not allowed to have one, even though he works within that lot.
Who said he wasn't allowed a view then? Not me, I just asked who they were for some context as, in my view, it seems a ridiculous sweeping statement to make about the contributions of 26 other countries and the MEP's that represent them.
Whenever anyone here says anything about the EU here that doesn't flavour a remainer, its automatically assumed it's wrong. He works within the mechanism of the EU so is best placed to have that opinion than anyone here.
For the record he was talking about Angela Merkel, and the fact that today she will endeavour to form a coalition government as if she cant, she will have to back to the public for another vote.
He also said, that her decision to let in 2 million refugees etc, had an effect on the brexit vote. I am sure you would believe that ok.
He ended his conversation by my previous comment.
Hi Chips, me old mucker:-)
I don't know who the German MEP is, but in a way he is confirming a point I have several times made in the past. The Germans have been a natural ally of the UK in the EU, and most of them are sad we are leaving. But most of them are also sad that we did not make a better attempt to work with them to reform the EU in a generally more Northern European style. We can debate what actually means, but I am equally sad because I believe that we could have achieved significant progress.
My own observation after 24 years in the heart of Europe is that the Brits don't naturally understand how best to work with their Continental partners and tend to throw their toys out of the pram if the British Way isn't bought in full. I saw this not just in politics but also in business, starting with my old employer, the Valley Party ad agency.
It also has to be said that when I was back at my late Mum's place earlier in the year I gained an insight into the problem with the above. My Mum could not do much more than watch the telly in her final months. I sat in the living room with her, and my brother trying some conversation (I had just arrived from Prague). My brother reminded her that Dad's Army was on. Always worth a watch, but I realised that the two previous programmes they had watched had also had a Second World War theme. Three in row, two hours or so. My Mum and my brother both voted Brexit.
Hi Praguey how are you. I am sure they had their own reasons too.
Gerrman MEP on LBC this morning said, it will be sad when you leave as your the only sensible country apart from us in the EU.
Which one? Are they members of that group UKIP are?
I'm sure the Dutch, Danish, Swedish, Irish, Finnish and all the others will be distraught to hear they're not very "sensible", whatever that's supposed to mean.
It was his view... I forgot he is not allowed to have one, even though he works within that lot.
Who said he wasn't allowed a view then? Not me, I just asked who they were for some context as, in my view, it seems a ridiculous sweeping statement to make about the contributions of 26 other countries and the MEP's that represent them.
Whenever anyone here says anything about the EU here that doesn't flavour a remainer, its automatically assumed it's wrong. He works within the mechanism of the EU so is best placed to have that opinion than anyone here.
For the record he was talking about Angela Merkel, and the fact that today she will endeavour to form a coalition government as if she cant, she will have to back to the public for another vote.
He also said, that her decision to let in 2 million refugees etc, had an effect on the brexit vote. I am sure you would believe that ok.
Gerrman MEP on LBC this morning said, it will be sad when you leave as your the only sensible country apart from us in the EU.
Which one? Are they members of that group UKIP are?
I'm sure the Dutch, Danish, Swedish, Irish, Finnish and all the others will be distraught to hear they're not very "sensible", whatever that's supposed to mean.
It was his view... I forgot he is not allowed to have one, even though he works within that lot.
Who said he wasn't allowed a view then? Not me, I just asked who they were for some context as, in my view, it seems a ridiculous sweeping statement to make about the contributions of 26 other countries and the MEP's that represent them.
Whenever anyone here says anything about the EU here that doesn't flavour a remainer, its automatically assumed it's wrong. He works within the mechanism of the EU so is best placed to have that opinion than anyone here.
For the record he was talking about Angela Merkel, and the fact that today she will endeavour to form a coalition government as if she cant, she will have to back to the public for another vote.
He also said, that her decision to let in 2 million refugees etc, had an effect on the brexit vote. I am sure you would believe that ok.
He ended his conversation by my previous comment.
I just asked you who they were.
I dont know, i only knew he was a MEP when he was thanked for his input.
Absolutely none. Absolutely......can only think negatively. GSQ.
Yes I'm sure we would have progressed further with industrial decline, worse air and with smoking still allowed in the work place. As you're someone who can't even get quote tags right I'm sure you're a well read expert in every field mentioned in the graphic. But for clarification of doubt, how would industrial decline have helped us progress further?
I am sure that none of the mutineers will face the same frightening abuse Anna Soubry reported, even if I wish we could teleport Redwood back to whatever planet Mr Spock comes from.
But I am sure you are just as shocked and appalled by this headline as you were by the Daily Telegraph one.
Of course not, as it is obviously a satire on the Telegraph one, and would not have been presented in such a way had the Telegraph not run theirs.
You are not appalled by the death threats Anna Soubry received? Or do you consider it to be fake news?
Both remainers and leavers get death threats. So why is one accusation of mutineers 'satire' and the other 'appalling'. Showing your prejudices here I am afraid, Prague.
No 'prejudice' at work here. I think it is perfectly appalling what Peter Bone has had to put up with, I did not know about it. I think though that he is saying there that this is a general problem for MPs and people in public life. I believe he would agree that elements of the media are to blame for coarsening the debate and encouraging idiots to think its OK to translate that into vile personal abuse and worse. It is ironic that the report you link to is in the Express, one of the worst offenders. But the Telegraph thinks of itself as a class above the Express. Their front page was presented in deadly earnest. It apparently then felt forced to defend itself from the criticism with an even more earnest editorial (which sounded like a lot of bollocks from the excerpts I heard). The MoS and Vince Cable simply show the absurdity of the Telegraph's trumped up pompous charges, which could be ignored if they didn't encourage the nutters. The serious media should dial it down, whatever the issue, and apparently serious posters like you should not approve of their antics for tribal political reasons.
I am sure that none of the mutineers will face the same frightening abuse Anna Soubry reported, even if I wish we could teleport Redwood back to whatever planet Mr Spock comes from.
But I am sure you are just as shocked and appalled by this headline as you were by the Daily Telegraph one.
Of course not, as it is obviously a satire on the Telegraph one, and would not have been presented in such a way had the Telegraph not run theirs.
You are not appalled by the death threats Anna Soubry received? Or do you consider it to be fake news?
Both remainers and leavers get death threats. So why is one accusation of mutineers 'satire' and the other 'appalling'. Showing your prejudices here I am afraid, Prague.
No 'prejudice' at work here. I think it is perfectly appalling what Peter Bone has had to put up with, I did not know about it. I think though that he is saying there that this is a general problem for MPs and people in public life. I believe he would agree that elements of the media are to blame for coarsening the debate and encouraging idiots to think its OK to translate that into vile personal abuse and worse. It is ironic that the report you link to is in the Express, one of the worst offenders. But the Telegraph thinks of itself as a class above the Express. Their front page was presented in deadly earnest. It apparently then felt forced to defend itself from the criticism with an even more earnest editorial (which sounded like a lot of bollocks from the excerpts I heard). The MoS and Vince Cable simply show the absurdity of the Telegraph's trumped up pompous charges, which could be ignored if they didn't encourage the nutters. The serious media should dial it down, whatever the issue, and apparently serious posters like you should not approve of their antics for tribal political reasons.
Amsterdam announced today as the new site for the European Medicine Agency after it moves from London along with the 900 jobs there. A lot of expectation about the vote here in Spain, with Barcelona being a leading contender up until its own uncertainty with the separatist situation: in the end Barcelona only came fifth.
Amsterdam announced today as the new site for the European Medicine Agency after it moves from London along with the 900 jobs there. A lot of expectation about the vote here in Spain, with Barcelona being a leading contender up until its own uncertainty with the separatist situation: in the end Barcelona only came fifth.
Tbf Amsterdam has always been in the forefront when it comes to drug research.
Amsterdam announced today as the new site for the European Medicine Agency after it moves from London along with the 900 jobs there. A lot of expectation about the vote here in Spain, with Barcelona being a leading contender up until its own uncertainty with the separatist situation: in the end Barcelona only came fifth.
Tbf Amsterdam has always been in the forefront when it comes to drug research.
No one has done more to identify which cocktail of drugs does what. To say nothing of their in-depth work on how to deliver the required dosage.
I was reading the Goldman Sachs article in the standard tonight re: his provocative tweets. I think he was using it as warning to the gvt that they can’t fuck up brexit
I don’t imagine any of the big banks fancy leaving the U.K. for a number of reasons, but if forced to (ie no deal) then so beit
The steaming pile of excrescence that is Matthew Elliott, bagged and binned by a Parliamentary Select Committee led by Andrew Tyrie. What a pity more people don't see these clips
I'm a bit concerned about the level of understanding that HMG have of the negotiations in which, I am occasionally reliably informed, they are involved with the EU.
It seems tonight that the Cabinet have agreed that they will increase their offer (for the first time dealing with the EU's listed principles/methodology behind any payment due on leaving), but this is conditional on achieving a trade agreement, and they seem to believe that such payment will be part of such a deal on the future relationship: (https://theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/20/theresa-mays-cabinet-agrees-to-pay-more-to-break-brexit-deadlock).
Don't get me wrong, this is progress, and I'm always glad to see progress. But, it is worrying that Ministers and spokesmen/women for HMG don't seem to understand that the Article 50 process is separate from any trade deal (though it may take the outline of any deal into consideration), and are adamant that such a payment will only be made following trade agreement. I'm not in a position to know for certain, but I suspect this will prove as maladroit as the have cake and eat it approach, because it is a variation on the same theme.
The agreement of a "divorce" settlement, acceptable to both sides, is only about Brexit, not about life after Brexit. At the very best, an agreement on the liabilities would help create a strong sense of goodwill on the EU27 of the negotiations for any FTA. On the other hand, the line that seems to be being taken this evening will make an agreed Brexit more difficult, never mind any trading agreement. Either the UK agrees that it is liable for payment of monies it committed to as a member of the EU, or it doesn't. If it doesn't agree with the EU perspective on such liabilities, that has consequences, an approach of only agreeing with them in certain circumstances would rankle with the EU27 (and would hint, at least, of bad faith).
However, even if the EU27 determine their is sufficient progress (depending on the detail that is submitted by that nice Mr. Davis and his happy crew), on the financial liabilities, the HMG decision to reject, out of hand, both the Customs Union and the Single Market, makes its "solutions" for the border in Ireland nonsensical. I might be inclined to argue that, having lost out in its efforts to attract the headquarters of both the European Banking and Medicines Agencies, other EU states may be a little more willing than they have already proved to be (and they have been resolute to date) to support the Irish Government's position on whether "sufficient progress" has been made on the border. And there is little, or nothing, to suggest that it has.
I worry that the environs of Downing Street may be populated by the hard of thinking, I really do.
I don't imagine that any of us can really afford to have the scoping discussions on future trading and other relationships (never mind detailed negotiations) held back to March or April.
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Saturday's Sun piece, strangely omitted from the Irish edition, has been widely noted on this side of the Irish Sea - I'm not entirely convinced that it has helped the Brexit cause...
MMR brownies for the kids?
I don’t imagine any of the big banks fancy leaving the U.K. for a number of reasons, but if forced to (ie no deal) then so beit
Leo's going to start thinking his lucky socks aren't working so well.
The Rugby World Cup bid - " They made a bags of it"
It saddens me that this is just the start of the UK losing its global prominence and influence.
Taking back control my f*cking arse.
The steaming pile of excrescence that is Matthew Elliott, bagged and binned by a Parliamentary Select Committee led by Andrew Tyrie. What a pity more people don't see these clips
https://mobile.twitter.com/LiamByrneMP/status/932188751740198913
It seems tonight that the Cabinet have agreed that they will increase their offer (for the first time dealing with the EU's listed principles/methodology behind any payment due on leaving), but this is conditional on achieving a trade agreement, and they seem to believe that such payment will be part of such a deal on the future relationship: (https://theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/20/theresa-mays-cabinet-agrees-to-pay-more-to-break-brexit-deadlock).
Don't get me wrong, this is progress, and I'm always glad to see progress. But, it is worrying that Ministers and spokesmen/women for HMG don't seem to understand that the Article 50 process is separate from any trade deal (though it may take the outline of any deal into consideration), and are adamant that such a payment will only be made following trade agreement. I'm not in a position to know for certain, but I suspect this will prove as maladroit as the have cake and eat it approach, because it is a variation on the same theme.
The agreement of a "divorce" settlement, acceptable to both sides, is only about Brexit, not about life after Brexit. At the very best, an agreement on the liabilities would help create a strong sense of goodwill on the EU27 of the negotiations for any FTA. On the other hand, the line that seems to be being taken this evening will make an agreed Brexit more difficult, never mind any trading agreement. Either the UK agrees that it is liable for payment of monies it committed to as a member of the EU, or it doesn't. If it doesn't agree with the EU perspective on such liabilities, that has consequences, an approach of only agreeing with them in certain circumstances would rankle with the EU27 (and would hint, at least, of bad faith).
However, even if the EU27 determine their is sufficient progress (depending on the detail that is submitted by that nice Mr. Davis and his happy crew), on the financial liabilities, the HMG decision to reject, out of hand, both the Customs Union and the Single Market, makes its "solutions" for the border in Ireland nonsensical. I might be inclined to argue that, having lost out in its efforts to attract the headquarters of both the European Banking and Medicines Agencies, other EU states may be a little more willing than they have already proved to be (and they have been resolute to date) to support the Irish Government's position on whether "sufficient progress" has been made on the border. And there is little, or nothing, to suggest that it has.
I worry that the environs of Downing Street may be populated by the hard of thinking, I really do.
I don't imagine that any of us can really afford to have the scoping discussions on future trading and other relationships (never mind detailed negotiations) held back to March or April.