On reflection my comment is that the population of the USA is 325.7 million people, yet the Irish Republic is 4.7 million people. So it is about 189 per head to the USA and 4,872 per head to the Republic of Ireland. Individually the Irish market per head is about 26 times bigger than the USA one to the UK.
It looks, paying attention to that nice Mr Barnier's press conference, that, having read the detail of what was published yesterday, he is not terribly impressed.
At the moment, it doesn't look like the UK and EU27 will be moving smoothly towards an exit, detailed trade discussions and a transition period for March next year.
The UK exports more to the Republic than to the USA so I believe.
The UK exports nearly 3 times as much to the USA ($61.6bn approx) than it does to Ireland ($22.9bn approx).
The USA is the UK's largest single export destination.
How is that possible? I thought one of the reasons the morons voted for Brexit was so we could do trade deals with the rest of the world!
By selling/exporting more stuff to the USA than they do to Ireland? Bit of a hunch/guesswork, I know, but may have legs.
Whoosh!
I think you whooshed yourself.
Don't think so. You don't seem able to post anything without a heavy dose of sarcasm of late. Bit like a 15 year old discovering sarcasm for the first time. It is tiresome and boring when adopted by a grown man.
The UK exports more to the Republic than to the USA so I believe.
The UK exports nearly 3 times as much to the USA ($61.6bn approx) than it does to Ireland ($22.9bn approx).
The USA is the UK's largest single export destination.
How is that possible? I thought one of the reasons the morons voted for Brexit was so we could do trade deals with the rest of the world!
By selling/exporting more stuff to the USA than they do to Ireland? Bit of a hunch/guesswork, I know, but may have legs.
Whoosh!
I think you whooshed yourself.
Don't think so. You don't seem able to post anything without a heavy dose of sarcasm of late. Bit like a 15 year old discovering sarcasm for the first time. It is tiresome and boring when adopted by a grown man.
Coming from the serial petulance offender, that's some compliment.
You seem incapable of posting without a churlish comment. Most likely born out of your inferiority complex. If you shout, scream, wave your arms about like a spoilt kid and generally be a bit of a dick towards people, it doesn't make you sound grown up. It accentuates your childlike manner.
3) Whole UK (including NI) leaves the EU/SM/CU and we impose border controls which couldwill probably, in the view of the PSNI, given the ongoing security threat in Northern Ireland include security checkpoints.
3) Whole UK (including NI) leaves the EU/SM/CU and we impose border controls which couldwill probably, in the view of the PSNI, given the ongoing security threat in Northern Ireland include security checkpoints.
Fixed that for you.
...before starting work on the document that will, of necessity, replace the Good Friday Agreement.
3) Whole UK (including NI) leaves the EU/SM/CU and we impose border controls which couldwill probably, in the view of the PSNI, given the ongoing security threat in Northern Ireland include security checkpoints.
Fixed that for you.
Quite - I'm a remainer so don't want that scenario, but to suggest we only have two options is clearly incorrect.
The UK exports more to the Republic than to the USA so I believe.
The UK exports nearly 3 times as much to the USA ($61.6bn approx) than it does to Ireland ($22.9bn approx).
The USA is the UK's largest single export destination.
How is that possible? I thought one of the reasons the morons voted for Brexit was so we could do trade deals with the rest of the world!
By selling/exporting more stuff to the USA than they do to Ireland? Bit of a hunch/guesswork, I know, but may have legs.
Whoosh!
I think you whooshed yourself.
Don't think so. You don't seem able to post anything without a heavy dose of sarcasm of late. Bit like a 15 year old discovering sarcasm for the first time. It is tiresome and boring when adopted by a grown man.
Coming from the serial petulance offender, that's some compliment.
You seem incapable of posting without a churlish comment. Most likely born out of your inferiority complex. If you shout, scream, wave your arms about like a spoilt kid and generally be a bit of a dick towards people, it doesn't make you sound grown up. It accentuates your childlike manner.
Pot kettle? Amazing that you, with your posting history on here, think you can comment on dickish behaviour by other people!
Also amazing that you, a Millwall supporter, probably make more posts on this forum per month than I do. By this time next year you will have made more posts on here in total than me even though I have been a member since 2009 and you have been a member since 2012.
A Scottish judge has rejected an attempt by a cross-party group of parliamentarians to get the European court of justice to rule on whether the UK can unilaterally cancel Brexit. Lord Boyd, sitting in the court of session, said the question of whether Article 50 could be unilaterally revoked was “hypothetical and academic”, and criticised the applicants for taking their action. Upholding objections by lawyers for the UK government, Boyd said ministers in London had repeatedly made it clear they had no intention of stopping the Brexit process, even if there were no deal with the EU.
The judge chided the group of eight MSPs and MPs, led by Andy Wightman, an MSP with the Scottish Green party, for taking the action. Cementing the victory for the UK government, Boyd said it was constitutionally wrong for parliamentarians to ask a court to interfere in the middle of a legislative process.
"In my opinion, that is a clear and dangerous encroachment on the sovereignty of [the UK] parliament," he said. "It is for parliament itself to determine what options it considers in the process of withdrawing from the European Union".
So, in other words, it is up to parliament in Westminster (note - not Government) to decide whether, how and when to revoke Article 50. So, while the government might be happy about this ruling, I would suggest that it makes it easier and more likely that Article 50 could be revoked. This ruling clearly determines who can do so (parliament), but more importantly, it rules *that* it can be done.
(PS, @Red_in_SE8 don't fall into the same trap I do - don't feed the troll!)
Macron and May. There's a picture of these two leaders, sitting together, at the G7 summit. It made me think about the UK's diminishing relevance in the world. Because, what can the leader of our great country actually discuss with our closest overseas neighbour?
She can't be striking up a trade deal, because we are both in the EU. And she can't be striking up a trade deal to conclude after we leave (if we ever do leave) the EU, as France will still be in the EU. She could be discussing what additional trade deals the EU could attempt to put together - but Macron would merely take that on board as something for the other 26 to ignore, as there is no time to create new EU trade deals while we are still members.
He wouldn't bother listening to her if she were to talk about security, Galileo, nuclear energy, rail deregulation, working rights directives, emission targets, new EU members, how to handle next summer's migrant crisis, EU tax evasion laws or anything else the EU might be persuaded to improve, amend or work on.
In fairness, she could be talking to him about her plans for brexit negotiations, the Irish border, how to avert road chaos in Kent or whether we are aiming for a hard, soft, jobs, red-white-and-blue or no-deal brexit. But that's unlikely, because she's not telling anyone else.
So, maybe she's just chatting. In English. Because, thankfully, the EU will continue to have an English-speaking member, so long as Ireland remains.
May is discussing with Macron the contract to print blue passports with the Franco-Dutch company. She is trying to explain that British passport printing company, De La Rue is really French because it has a French name, and she is desperately trying to get a deal for French passports to be printed by British (alors a French name) Company De La Rue. Then she can turn to Boris, Davis, Fox, Gove, Rees Mogg et al and yell 'so boys, who is the grand fromage now?'
Our government actually spends more time negotiating with itself than it does with the EU. The 27 must genuinely think we are a joke. I wonder how long before they realise they are well rid.
Brexit isn’t working – and Leavers only have themselves to blame At a dinner for Tory supporters, Boris Johnson warned that Brexit it is in danger of not being “the one we want”.
BY STEPHEN BUSH
Theresa May’s calls for the country to come together over Brexit have at last been heeded. A new YouGov poll shows the extent to which the country is now united over Brexit: 73 per cent of us think it's going badly. 85 per cent of Remainers and 71 per cent of Leavers think the Brexit talks are in a mess.
One of the 71 per cent is Boris Johnson, whose private remarks at a Conservative Way Forward dinner have been obtained by BuzzFeed's Alex Spence and Lucy Fisher over at the Times.
Johnson ranged widely and indiscreetly over the whole of British foreign policy, opining on Donald Trump, relations with China and what to do about Vladimir Putin. For the most part, while his remarks aren't helpful to see in print next to the name of the Foreign Secretary, they aren't new.
More substantial are his complaints about Brexit, and his warning that it is in danger of not being “the one we want”, but instead becoming a Brexit in which the United Kingdom remains within the European Union's regulatory and customs orbit.
And he’s right, of course. Yesterday saw the publication of the government’s draft proposal for customs post-Brexit. There is a lot of technical detail but the only section that really matters is the following:
“In determining the future customs relationship with the EU, the UK has been clear on the need to protect the Belfast (Good Friday) Agreement in all its parts, including that there will be no hard border between Northern Ireland and Ireland, and no physical infrastructure or related checks and controls. Upholding these commitments requires a joint solution on both customs, which is addressed in this paper, and an approach on regulatory standards, which will also need to be addressed.”
In plain English: the United Kingdom has committed to no border infrastructure on the island of Ireland, which means regulatory and customs alignment. It means a Brexit that keeps the United Kingdom close to the European Union on a suite of issues and severely limits the United Kingdom's post-Brexit freedom of action.
But that was clear the moment that Vote Leave – not the government, nor pesky Remainers, nor the European Union; but Vote Leave – said that after Brexit the Irish border would be as “free-flowing as it is is today”, and used the then secretary of state for Northern Ireland, Theresa Villiers, to do so.
There are a number of objections you can raise to Johnson’s contention that the Irish border is a small issue, a tail that is wagging the dog in his charming phrase. But at least it comes close to acknowledging the real trade-off, which is that either you decide the Irish settlement is worth preserving in its current form or you decide that regulatory freedom after Brexit comes first.
But Brexiteers have never taken that seriously, just as in the main most Brexiteers at Westminster and in the press have never taken Brexit seriously. Yesterday's back-and-forth about the border fallback and the need for it to be time-limited is a case in point: a fallback is, by definition, not time-limited but limited only by the question of when the fallback is no longer necessary. If you are renting a home after selling one to buy another, you don't bind yourself to ending your tenancy by a random date, but by the one on which you are able to move into your new home. The Brexiteer objection is just not serious.
And to be bought off by a guarantee that the government “expects” the fallback to end no later than 2021 is not serious either. I expect my train to work to arrive at the advertised time, but it doesn't mean it will happen.
Then you have the continual calling to “plan for no deal”, with no engagement as to what that would even mean – no panic over the compulsory purchases nor the increased Whitehall head count necessary to make it work, and so on. The reason why Brexit is not working is that the Brexit elite are not serious. They have never taken the process seriously and have never seriously tried to make Brexit work. And if they want to blame someone for the way Brexit is working out, they need to look not to Downing Street, nor Remainers, nor the EU27; but to a mirror.
The UK exports more to the Republic than to the USA so I believe.
The UK exports nearly 3 times as much to the USA ($61.6bn approx) than it does to Ireland ($22.9bn approx).
The USA is the UK's largest single export destination.
How is that possible? I thought one of the reasons the morons voted for Brexit was so we could do trade deals with the rest of the world!
By selling/exporting more stuff to the USA than they do to Ireland? Bit of a hunch/guesswork, I know, but may have legs.
Whoosh!
I think you whooshed yourself.
Don't think so. You don't seem able to post anything without a heavy dose of sarcasm of late. Bit like a 15 year old discovering sarcasm for the first time. It is tiresome and boring when adopted by a grown man.
Coming from the serial petulance offender, that's some compliment.
You seem incapable of posting without a churlish comment. Most likely born out of your inferiority complex. If you shout, scream, wave your arms about like a spoilt kid and generally be a bit of a dick towards people, it doesn't make you sound grown up. It accentuates your childlike manner.
Pot kettle? Amazing that you, with your posting history on here, think you can comment on dickish behaviour by other people!
Also amazing that you, a Millwall supporter, probably make more posts on this forum per month than I do. By this time next year you will have made more posts on here in total than me even though I have been a member since 2009 and you have been a member since 2012.
That'll teach me. I'm certain to have a rethink based on that criterion.
The UK exports more to the Republic than to the USA so I believe.
The UK exports nearly 3 times as much to the USA ($61.6bn approx) than it does to Ireland ($22.9bn approx).
The USA is the UK's largest single export destination.
How is that possible? I thought one of the reasons the morons voted for Brexit was so we could do trade deals with the rest of the world!
By selling/exporting more stuff to the USA than they do to Ireland? Bit of a hunch/guesswork, I know, but may have legs.
Whoosh!
I think you whooshed yourself.
Don't think so. You don't seem able to post anything without a heavy dose of sarcasm of late. Bit like a 15 year old discovering sarcasm for the first time. It is tiresome and boring when adopted by a grown man.
Coming from the serial petulance offender, that's some compliment.
You seem incapable of posting without a churlish comment. Most likely born out of your inferiority complex. If you shout, scream, wave your arms about like a spoilt kid and generally be a bit of a dick towards people, it doesn't make you sound grown up. It accentuates your childlike manner.
Pot kettle? Amazing that you, with your posting history on here, think you can comment on dickish behaviour by other people!
Also amazing that you, a Millwall supporter, probably make more posts on this forum per month than I do. By this time next year you will have made more posts on here in total than me even though I have been a member since 2009 and you have been a member since 2012.
That'll teach me. I'm certain to have a rethink based on that criterion.
The UK exports more to the Republic than to the USA so I believe.
The UK exports nearly 3 times as much to the USA ($61.6bn approx) than it does to Ireland ($22.9bn approx).
The USA is the UK's largest single export destination.
How is that possible? I thought one of the reasons the morons voted for Brexit was so we could do trade deals with the rest of the world!
By selling/exporting more stuff to the USA than they do to Ireland? Bit of a hunch/guesswork, I know, but may have legs.
Whoosh!
I think you whooshed yourself.
Don't think so. You don't seem able to post anything without a heavy dose of sarcasm of late. Bit like a 15 year old discovering sarcasm for the first time. It is tiresome and boring when adopted by a grown man.
Coming from the serial petulance offender, that's some compliment.
You seem incapable of posting without a churlish comment. Most likely born out of your inferiority complex. If you shout, scream, wave your arms about like a spoilt kid and generally be a bit of a dick towards people, it doesn't make you sound grown up. It accentuates your childlike manner.
Pot kettle? Amazing that you, with your posting history on here, think you can comment on dickish behaviour by other people!
Also amazing that you, a Millwall supporter, probably make more posts on this forum per month than I do. By this time next year you will have made more posts on here in total than me even though I have been a member since 2009 and you have been a member since 2012.
That'll teach me. I'm certain to have a rethink based on that criterion.
The UK exports more to the Republic than to the USA so I believe.
The UK exports nearly 3 times as much to the USA ($61.6bn approx) than it does to Ireland ($22.9bn approx).
The USA is the UK's largest single export destination.
How is that possible? I thought one of the reasons the morons voted for Brexit was so we could do trade deals with the rest of the world!
By selling/exporting more stuff to the USA than they do to Ireland? Bit of a hunch/guesswork, I know, but may have legs.
Whoosh!
I think you whooshed yourself.
Don't think so. You don't seem able to post anything without a heavy dose of sarcasm of late. Bit like a 15 year old discovering sarcasm for the first time. It is tiresome and boring when adopted by a grown man.
Coming from the serial petulance offender, that's some compliment.
You seem incapable of posting without a churlish comment. Most likely born out of your inferiority complex. If you shout, scream, wave your arms about like a spoilt kid and generally be a bit of a dick towards people, it doesn't make you sound grown up. It accentuates your childlike manner.
Pot kettle? Amazing that you, with your posting history on here, think you can comment on dickish behaviour by other people!
Also amazing that you, a Millwall supporter, probably make more posts on this forum per month than I do. By this time next year you will have made more posts on here in total than me even though I have been a member since 2009 and you have been a member since 2012.
That'll teach me. I'm certain to have a rethink based on that criterion.
Yours,
Another Moron
If the cap fits.
I'll have a large.
You're a flags are going up.... Welcome to the kindergarten.
The UK exports more to the Republic than to the USA so I believe.
The UK exports nearly 3 times as much to the USA ($61.6bn approx) than it does to Ireland ($22.9bn approx).
The USA is the UK's largest single export destination.
How is that possible? I thought one of the reasons the morons voted for Brexit was so we could do trade deals with the rest of the world!
By selling/exporting more stuff to the USA than they do to Ireland? Bit of a hunch/guesswork, I know, but may have legs.
Whoosh!
I think you whooshed yourself.
Don't think so. You don't seem able to post anything without a heavy dose of sarcasm of late. Bit like a 15 year old discovering sarcasm for the first time. It is tiresome and boring when adopted by a grown man.
Coming from the serial petulance offender, that's some compliment.
You seem incapable of posting without a churlish comment. Most likely born out of your inferiority complex. If you shout, scream, wave your arms about like a spoilt kid and generally be a bit of a dick towards people, it doesn't make you sound grown up. It accentuates your childlike manner.
Pot kettle? Amazing that you, with your posting history on here, think you can comment on dickish behaviour by other people!
Also amazing that you, a Millwall supporter, probably make more posts on this forum per month than I do. By this time next year you will have made more posts on here in total than me even though I have been a member since 2009 and you have been a member since 2012.
That'll teach me. I'm certain to have a rethink based on that criterion.
The UK exports more to the Republic than to the USA so I believe.
The UK exports nearly 3 times as much to the USA ($61.6bn approx) than it does to Ireland ($22.9bn approx).
The USA is the UK's largest single export destination.
How is that possible? I thought one of the reasons the morons voted for Brexit was so we could do trade deals with the rest of the world!
By selling/exporting more stuff to the USA than they do to Ireland? Bit of a hunch/guesswork, I know, but may have legs.
Whoosh!
I think you whooshed yourself.
Don't think so. You don't seem able to post anything without a heavy dose of sarcasm of late. Bit like a 15 year old discovering sarcasm for the first time. It is tiresome and boring when adopted by a grown man.
Coming from the serial petulance offender, that's some compliment.
You seem incapable of posting without a churlish comment. Most likely born out of your inferiority complex. If you shout, scream, wave your arms about like a spoilt kid and generally be a bit of a dick towards people, it doesn't make you sound grown up. It accentuates your childlike manner.
Pot kettle? Amazing that you, with your posting history on here, think you can comment on dickish behaviour by other people!
Also amazing that you, a Millwall supporter, probably make more posts on this forum per month than I do. By this time next year you will have made more posts on here in total than me even though I have been a member since 2009 and you have been a member since 2012.
That'll teach me. I'm certain to have a rethink based on that criterion.
Yours,
Another Moron
If the cap fits.
I'll have a large.
You're a flags are going up.... Welcome to the kindergarten.
I'm already seeking professional advice on the best coping strategy to employ to ensure that they don't affect me in a negative way.
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So it is about 189 per head to the USA and 4,872 per head to the Republic of Ireland.
Individually the Irish market per head is about 26 times bigger than the USA one to the UK.
So around 15% to North America. That’s going to get a lot harder now that Trump has just started a trade war.
At the moment, it doesn't look like the UK and EU27 will be moving smoothly towards an exit, detailed trade discussions and a transition period for March next year.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/06/07/donald-trump-tired-theresa-mays-school-mistress-tone-may-turn/
You seem incapable of posting without a churlish comment. Most likely born out of your inferiority complex. If you shout, scream, wave your arms about like a spoilt kid and generally be a bit of a dick towards people, it doesn't make you sound grown up. It accentuates your childlike manner.
3) Whole UK (including NI) leaves the EU/SM/CU and we impose border controls which could include checkpoints.
Also amazing that you, a Millwall supporter, probably make more posts on this forum per month than I do. By this time next year you will have made more posts on here in total than me even though I have been a member since 2009 and you have been a member since 2012.
The judge chided the group of eight MSPs and MPs, led by Andy Wightman, an MSP with the Scottish Green party, for taking the action. Cementing the victory for the UK government, Boyd said it was constitutionally wrong for parliamentarians to ask a court to interfere in the middle of a legislative process.
"In my opinion, that is a clear and dangerous encroachment on the sovereignty of [the UK] parliament," he said. "It is for parliament itself to determine what options it considers in the process of withdrawing from the European Union".
So, in other words, it is up to parliament in Westminster (note - not Government) to decide whether, how and when to revoke Article 50. So, while the government might be happy about this ruling, I would suggest that it makes it easier and more likely that Article 50 could be revoked. This ruling clearly determines who can do so (parliament), but more importantly, it rules *that* it can be done.
(PS, @Red_in_SE8 don't fall into the same trap I do - don't feed the troll!)
She can't be striking up a trade deal, because we are both in the EU. And she can't be striking up a trade deal to conclude after we leave (if we ever do leave) the EU, as France will still be in the EU. She could be discussing what additional trade deals the EU could attempt to put together - but Macron would merely take that on board as something for the other 26 to ignore, as there is no time to create new EU trade deals while we are still members.
He wouldn't bother listening to her if she were to talk about security, Galileo, nuclear energy, rail deregulation, working rights directives, emission targets, new EU members, how to handle next summer's migrant crisis, EU tax evasion laws or anything else the EU might be persuaded to improve, amend or work on.
In fairness, she could be talking to him about her plans for brexit negotiations, the Irish border, how to avert road chaos in Kent or whether we are aiming for a hard, soft, jobs, red-white-and-blue or no-deal brexit. But that's unlikely, because she's not telling anyone else.
So, maybe she's just chatting. In English. Because, thankfully, the EU will continue to have an English-speaking member, so long as Ireland remains.
Sad really. Not long ago, the UK was important.
Then she can turn to Boris, Davis, Fox, Gove, Rees Mogg et al and yell 'so boys, who is the grand fromage now?'
At a dinner for Tory supporters, Boris Johnson warned that Brexit it is in danger of not being “the one we want”.
BY STEPHEN BUSH
Theresa May’s calls for the country to come together over Brexit have at last been heeded. A new YouGov poll shows the extent to which the country is now united over Brexit: 73 per cent of us think it's going badly. 85 per cent of Remainers and 71 per cent of Leavers think the Brexit talks are in a mess.
One of the 71 per cent is Boris Johnson, whose private remarks at a Conservative Way Forward dinner have been obtained by BuzzFeed's Alex Spence and Lucy Fisher over at the Times.
Johnson ranged widely and indiscreetly over the whole of British foreign policy, opining on Donald Trump, relations with China and what to do about Vladimir Putin. For the most part, while his remarks aren't helpful to see in print next to the name of the Foreign Secretary, they aren't new.
More substantial are his complaints about Brexit, and his warning that it is in danger of not being “the one we want”, but instead becoming a Brexit in which the United Kingdom remains within the European Union's regulatory and customs orbit.
And he’s right, of course. Yesterday saw the publication of the government’s draft proposal for customs post-Brexit. There is a lot of technical detail but the only section that really matters is the following:
“In determining the future customs relationship with the EU, the UK has been clear on the need to protect the Belfast (Good Friday) Agreement in all its parts, including that there will be no hard border between Northern Ireland and Ireland, and no physical infrastructure or related checks and controls. Upholding these commitments requires a joint solution on both customs, which is addressed in this paper, and an approach on regulatory standards, which will also need to be addressed.”
In plain English: the United Kingdom has committed to no border infrastructure on the island of Ireland, which means regulatory and customs alignment. It means a Brexit that keeps the United Kingdom close to the European Union on a suite of issues and severely limits the United Kingdom's post-Brexit freedom of action.
But that was clear the moment that Vote Leave – not the government, nor pesky Remainers, nor the European Union; but Vote Leave – said that after Brexit the Irish border would be as “free-flowing as it is is today”, and used the then secretary of state for Northern Ireland, Theresa Villiers, to do so.
There are a number of objections you can raise to Johnson’s contention that the Irish border is a small issue, a tail that is wagging the dog in his charming phrase. But at least it comes close to acknowledging the real trade-off, which is that either you decide the Irish settlement is worth preserving in its current form or you decide that regulatory freedom after Brexit comes first.
But Brexiteers have never taken that seriously, just as in the main most Brexiteers at Westminster and in the press have never taken Brexit seriously. Yesterday's back-and-forth about the border fallback and the need for it to be time-limited is a case in point: a fallback is, by definition, not time-limited but limited only by the question of when the fallback is no longer necessary. If you are renting a home after selling one to buy another, you don't bind yourself to ending your tenancy by a random date, but by the one on which you are able to move into your new home. The Brexiteer objection is just not serious.
And to be bought off by a guarantee that the government “expects” the fallback to end no later than 2021 is not serious either. I expect my train to work to arrive at the advertised time, but it doesn't mean it will happen.
Then you have the continual calling to “plan for no deal”, with no engagement as to what that would even mean – no panic over the compulsory purchases nor the increased Whitehall head count necessary to make it work, and so on. The reason why Brexit is not working is that the Brexit elite are not serious. They have never taken the process seriously and have never seriously tried to make Brexit work. And if they want to blame someone for the way Brexit is working out, they need to look not to Downing Street, nor Remainers, nor the EU27; but to a mirror.
Yours,
Another Moron