How is the exchange rate going to solve a problem like the Irish Border?
It's going to bore it to death.
Well quite. The nature of the brexit shenanigans which is so dominated by those who want to count pennies is the boring part, which is killing the more significant aspects such as the land border on the island of Ireland.
May be up against the dollar, but barely up against the Euro, had a slight bump when we said we weren't leaving in 11 months, but after a prolonged change over period. The fact that the pound is up against the dollar is more a reflection of the direction the dollar is taking at the moment.
It is good news though as it could bring fuel prices down a little with oil being traded in dollar.
How is the exchange rate going to solve a problem like the Irish Border?
It's going to bore it to death.
Well quite. The nature of the brexit shenanigans which is so dominated by those who want to count pennies is the boring part, which is killing the more significant aspects such as the land border on the island of Ireland.
No, on this forum there is a separate boring part.
Exactly. Yet it was sooooo significant earlier in this thread for some people.
Think you're taking the dollar comparison too literally. It was used to highlight an overall trend of the pound against other currencies around the world.
Just because the dollar is now in the sh*tter too doesn't make everything better for the pound.
So we're celebrating the US being slightly more mental for voting in Trump than the UK voting for Brexit?
That's all about we have to cling on to at the moment.
Not much to cling onto! In 3 years they will have the chance to rectify their mistake. We, on the other hand, will have to suffer the consequences of our mistake for several generations.
I thought that this was an interesting article, particularly its point that the UK has the lowest proportion in EU countries of its citizens living in another country. I guess this goes some of the way to explaining people's mistrust of and misunderstandings about the EU but it's a shame more people don't take advantage of its positive sides, like the opportunity to work abroad for a while. Interesting that it's mainly working age Brits that do this as well: I thought the amount of Brits abroad was made up more of pensioners, especially here in Spain.
I thought that this was an interesting article, particularly its point that the UK has the lowest proportion in EU countries of its citizens living in another country. I guess this goes some of the way to explaining people's mistrust of and misunderstandings about the EU but it's a shame more people don't take advantage of its positive sides, like the opportunity to work abroad for a while. Interesting that it's mainly working age Brits that do this as well: I thought the amount of Brits abroad was made up more of pensioners, especially here in Spain.
Huge number of young Brits working in tourist spots around the med, plus a load in finance centres across northern Europe. I image the number of holiday reps, bar workers, etc. working in Europe in August dwarfs the number of ex-pat retirees in the costas.
Ireland excluded entirely from that list. We're not even there for comparison. Obviously the situation with citizenship in Northern Ireland makes it tricky but it doesn't make sense to exclude the only other English speaking country in the EU and the one you share a border with from a report like this.
This line explains why Ireland is excluded but it doesn't make sense because we still don't know the outcome of Brexit and the impact on British and Irish citizens among others. It makes me think the data in this report has been massaged to tell a story they want to tell rather than the truth. "Ireland has been excluded from the report partly because British citizens in Ireland and Irish citizens in the UK will not be affected by changes to citizens’ rights after Brexit."
So we're celebrating the US being slightly more mental for voting in Trump than the UK voting for Brexit?
That's all about we have to cling on to at the moment.
Not much to cling onto! In 3 years they will have the chance to rectify their mistake. We, on the other hand, will have to suffer the consequences of our mistake for several generations.
I never said it was good, but a little bit of schadenfreude often helps.
Parliament should clearly have a say. May and her cronies shouldn't be allowed to rubber stamp a bad deal just so they can say they delivered Brexit, no matter what the cost.
It won't go to a second referendum as they would undoubtedly lead to us staying in the EU, and despite the histrionics and conspiracy theories by some on here, I very much doubt that we'll be allowed to have that choice.
The reason I say a referendum would result in us staying is that there would have to be 3 possible answers; a) Accept the deal, b) Reject the deal and renegotiate, c) Abandon Brexit. C would get at least 40% of the votes, probably more than 50%, but even the most ardent Brexiter wouldn't be confident of A or B winning out, unless the deal is so amazingly good that it defies believe (has anybody got faith that David Davies et al could negotiate anything approaching a decent deal?).
It has gone quiet on brexit progress at the moment. I await a solution to the situation where brexiters tell us how they will take back control of the borders of the UK. So far the brexit morons will control the borders using the neat technique of not controlling the borders.
Parliament should clearly have a say. May and her cronies shouldn't be allowed to rubber stamp a bad deal just so they can say they delivered Brexit, no matter what the cost.
It won't go to a second referendum as they would undoubtedly lead to us staying in the EU, and despite the histrionics and conspiracy theories by some on here, I very much doubt that we'll be allowed to have that choice.
The reason I say a referendum would result in us staying is that there would have to be 3 possible answers; a) Except deal, b) Reject deal and renegotiate, c) Abandon Brexit. C would get at least 40% of the votes, probably more than 50%, but even the most ardent Brexiter wouldn't be confident of A or B winning out, unless the deal is so amazingly good that it defies believe (has anybody got faith that David Davies et al could negotiate anything approaching a decent deal?).
Playing devils advocate but could we not have a series of referenda/referendums based on what is being offered?
Parliament should clearly have a say. May and her cronies shouldn't be allowed to rubber stamp a bad deal just so they can say they delivered Brexit, no matter what the cost.
It won't go to a second referendum as they would undoubtedly lead to us staying in the EU, and despite the histrionics and conspiracy theories by some on here, I very much doubt that we'll be allowed to have that choice.
The reason I say a referendum would result in us staying is that there would have to be 3 possible answers; a) Except deal, b) Reject deal and renegotiate, c) Abandon Brexit. C would get at least 40% of the votes, probably more than 50%, but even the most ardent Brexiter wouldn't be confident of A or B winning out, unless the deal is so amazingly good that it defies believe (has anybody got faith that David Davies et al could negotiate anything approaching a decent deal?).
Playing devils advocate but could we not have a series of referenda/referendums based on what is being offered?
We've neatly been put in the position where the voters can't be trusted to make the decision and the government can't be trusted to enact the will of the people.
Both because what the people want is a series of contradictory, and in some cases impossible, some cases already happening, wish list items that are simply impossible to represent in a simply referendum and then impossible to enact because they're either contradictory or impossible full stop.
None of the above would be such a big problem if we had a single politician with the intelligence and where-with-all to guide us beyond this log jam.
Direct quote from a chap called David Clifford. A director of a company called Clifford's Precision Engineering. Not from a right wing newspaper, a fanatic's blog or some bloke you just met down the pub.
"According to the DTI West Midlands, the world wants quality UK goods and services. So I went along to one of their free sessions to be told we would stand no chance at exporting to the US as we are not a big enough company with enough resources behind us. We turnover £1.5M with 24 employees and our machined components already go all round the world either directly or indirectly. Apparently the changes we will be faced with after we have left the EU will make it much harder for companies like us to export anywhere! The advice was we could enlist the services of an export specialist at a cost of £20k - £30k but with no guarantee of winning any new business. Is this what Theresa May had in mind when she said Brexit would be good for everyone?"
I see sterling is over $1.43. Used to be an issue on this thread. LOL
Well, with the money you have made from your currency prospecting, can you pay me back the £1'200 to £2'000 the post-Brexit slump has cost me since June 2016? As it is such a giggle to you?
Direct quote from a chap called David Clifford. A director of a company called Clifford's Precision Engineering. Not from a right wing newspaper, a fanatic's blog or some bloke you just met down the pub.
"According to the DTI West Midlands, the world wants quality UK goods and services. So I went along to one of their free sessions to be told we would stand no chance at exporting to the US as we are not a big enough company with enough resources behind us. We turnover £1.5M with 24 employees and our machined components already go all round the world either directly or indirectly. Apparently the changes we will be faced with after we have left the EU will make it much harder for companies like us to export anywhere! The advice was we could enlist the services of an export specialist at a cost of £20k - £30k but with no guarantee of winning any new business. Is this what Theresa May had in mind when she said Brexit would be good for everyone?"
I find it immensely annoying and frustrating that whenever we see a Brexit spokes person still drone on about all these fanciful trade deals with the rest of the world that will make up for lost trade with the EU that the interviewers don't simply laugh in their faces!
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Used to be an issue on this thread.
LOL
Yet it was sooooo significant earlier in this thread for some people.
It is good news though as it could bring fuel prices down a little with oil being traded in dollar.
Just because the dollar is now in the sh*tter too doesn't make everything better for the pound.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/16/brits-living-in-rest-of-eu-are-mainly-of-working-age-not-pensioners?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
This line explains why Ireland is excluded but it doesn't make sense because we still don't know the outcome of Brexit and the impact on British and Irish citizens among others. It makes me think the data in this report has been massaged to tell a story they want to tell rather than the truth.
"Ireland has been excluded from the report partly because British citizens in Ireland and Irish citizens in the UK will not be affected by changes to citizens’ rights after Brexit."
Should there be a referendum (let the people have a say) to decide what kind of Brexit we have?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/18/each-brexit-scenario-will-leave-britain-worse-off-study-finds
I think we have gone over the whys and wherefores so if Brexit is going to happen, how do we decide which one we get.
It won't go to a second referendum as they would undoubtedly lead to us staying in the EU, and despite the histrionics and conspiracy theories by some on here, I very much doubt that we'll be allowed to have that choice.
The reason I say a referendum would result in us staying is that there would have to be 3 possible answers; a) Accept the deal, b) Reject the deal and renegotiate, c) Abandon Brexit. C would get at least 40% of the votes, probably more than 50%, but even the most ardent Brexiter wouldn't be confident of A or B winning out, unless the deal is so amazingly good that it defies believe (has anybody got faith that David Davies et al could negotiate anything approaching a decent deal?).
So far the brexit morons will control the borders using the neat technique of not controlling the borders.
No more referendums, we can't be trusted.
Both because what the people want is a series of contradictory, and in some cases impossible, some cases already happening, wish list items that are simply impossible to represent in a simply referendum and then impossible to enact because they're either contradictory or impossible full stop.
None of the above would be such a big problem if we had a single politician with the intelligence and where-with-all to guide us beyond this log jam.
"According to the DTI West Midlands, the world wants quality UK goods and services.
So I went along to one of their free sessions to be told we would stand no chance at exporting to the US as we are not a big enough company with enough resources behind us. We turnover £1.5M with 24 employees and our machined components already go all round the world either directly or indirectly. Apparently the changes we will be faced with after we have left the EU will make it much harder for companies like us to export anywhere! The advice was we could enlist the services of an export specialist at a cost of £20k - £30k but with no guarantee of winning any new business.
Is this what Theresa May had in mind when she said Brexit would be good for everyone?"