I think Konsa is a good young player. But at this stage I'm not even sure if he's ready to play for a top half championship side , let alone a EPL side.
If they buy him it'll be for the long term. They'll have him out on loan for a season or two to see how he progresses maybe?
If we get 8 mill for Konsa and sign all the players we need for promotion, I would be happy.
We won't get £8m for Konza seeing as we got less than that upfront for Lookman, a striker.
And Robinson was given just 400k of that to spend despite promotion still being a possibility in January (as Millwall who were within one point of us at the time proved).
Why not 8 mill? Not a lot for some prem clubs. I didn't say we would get 8 mill to spend, just enough to get us promoted. The rest will go towards paying for the regimes past errors. Lots of those to be paid for btw.
If we get 8 mill for Konsa and sign all the players we need for promotion, I would be happy.
Totally agree RH but any fee we get wont add to the budget that Robinson already has to work with. Most clubs with reasonable ambitions of a promotion, I'm sure would see a sale as a windfall and allocate at least part of any fee to strengthen and enhance those ambitions. I don't see KR looking at Ezri going as a chance to strengthen.
Apparently Jordan Turnbull had a relegation clause for Coventry and is now a free agent. Apparently we are looking at him. Would he be a good defensive addition?
Possibly after all Coventry had a good season and didn't let in many goals.
Just the 68 goals conceded..
I was just making an amusing remark really. There are many decent players that are unfortunate to be in a unbalanced or lacking side that get miss judged to be bad players.
If we get 8 mill for Konsa and sign all the players we need for promotion, I would be happy.
We won't get £8m for Konza seeing as we got less than that upfront for Lookman, a striker.
And Robinson was given just 400k of that to spend despite promotion still being a possibility in January (as Millwall who were within one point of us at the time proved).
Why not 8 mill? Not a lot for some prem clubs. I didn't say we would get 8 mill to spend, just enough to get us promoted. The rest will go towards paying for the regimes past errors. Lots of those to be paid for btw.
£8m not a lot to Prem clubs but you can see similar players going for a lot less. He's never played above league 1. Gomez went for less and was more of a prospect.
Agree with on the "just enough" and "past errors" although one of past errors has not giving coaches "enough" in terms of quality and depth of squad because Duchatelet does understand those concepts.
Gomez went for 3.5 million because of that clause in his contract. Easily worth more of course. As for Konsa put a hefty price on his head or else he stays.
Will Hughes just went for 8m and he's an U21 international and been a championship regular for at least 4 years. We'd be lucky to get 4m for Konsa.
If he can recover his form, potentially Watford have got themselves a bargain there. I bet Derby never imagined that when Hughes left it would be for Watford rather than one of the big boys
Konsa is definatley that good. And is easily championship top half quality. Easily.
Really? He's not even a guarenteed starter for us, I wouldn't start him at the minute.
Konsa has masses of promise, but for me there's a slightly danger of John Stones syndrome, where because a player looks classy on the ball, the bread and butter side of the game (marking, heading etc) gets overlooked
Konsa is going to be a special player, and if there is any kind of auction situation, and given the wealth of the prem, then I would not be prepared to sell him for less than 7-8 million with a whole host of extra clauses. This is my personal view, very much coloured by the amount of money sloshing around the premier league. Don't sell him anyway, he is contracted. if a prem club buys him it will be for the long term, if we sell him it will be to cover the short term financial disaster Katrien and Roland have created.
Can you really be sure he's better until he's played for the first team? It's not just about ability it's consistency, how they cope with the extra pressure etc.
I would be happy with £4m for Konsa. Anything above that is a bonus. I don't even think he's ready for the Championship. I think there's better but would be good to keep him. He's still young and will be better this season.
Apart from the general principle that you never get anywhere if you repeatedly sell your best players, I think most of us will have two specific problems with flogging off Ezri Konsa: first, given the absence of any real football ambition, the proceeds will simply disappear into regime's black hole (as to which, look at the minuscule outlay following the sales of Lookman and Fox); and, secondly, it will only serve to fuel the delusion that Duchatelet's player farm strategy is capable of working (and potentiall delay his departure).
The alternative approach is trying to build a side which can get us up and which is capable of competing in the Championship. Sadly, I think we know that this is not going to happen under the present ownership.
He wasn't helped by the constant protests having to play under two different managers, in multiple formations and in an often struggling side.
He also played in three different positions (RB/CH/DM0 and alongside different team mates almost every game.
All that will be a good learning experience for him but also means he didn't have a prolonged spell in his preferred position within a strong and stable side.
With all those things sorted next season he'll have a better chance to shine and might well be worth more then than now.
He wasn't helped by the constant protests having to play under two different managers, in multiple formations and in an often struggling side.
He also played in three different positions (RB/CH/DM0 and alongside different team mates almost every game.
All that will be a good learning experience for him but also means he didn't have a prolonged spell in his preferred position within a strong and stable side.
With all those things sorted next season he'll have a better chance to shine and might well be worth more then than now.
Don't bring your logical arguments to this regime.
Here's a question for you; Say we have to sell one player to fund the promotion push (even though you'd think the Ade money would pay for that). Would you sell Konza or Ricky?
Here's a question for you; Say we have to sell one player to fund the promotion push (even though you'd think the Ade money would pay for that). Would you sell Konza or Ricky?
Can you really be sure he's better until he's played for the first team? It's not just about ability it's consistency, how they cope with the extra pressure etc.
Here's a question for you; Say we have to sell one player to fund the promotion push (even though you'd think the Ade money would pay for that). Would you sell Konza or Ricky?
Assuming all the money would be spent, and we get at least £3M.... Konsa.
We could bring in both Ryan Leonard and Marcus Maddison at that price, plus have money left over to give Ben Reeves the wages to come here.
Here's a question for you; Say we have to sell one player to fund the promotion push (even though you'd think the Ade money would pay for that). Would you sell Konza or Ricky?
Ricky, as I feel Marshall, Clarke, Fosu, Aribo, possibly Ceballos and any new additions should be enough
Konsa can cover 3 different positions and is only going to get better
Here's a question for you; Say we have to sell one player to fund the promotion push (even though you'd think the Ade money would pay for that). Would you sell Konza or Ricky?
Assuming all the money would be spent, and we get at least £3M.... Konsa.
We could bring in both Ryan Leonard and Marcus Maddison at that price, plus have money left over to give Ben Reeves the wages to come here.
Doubt we'd get either of them regardless. Championship teams in for both or at least Leonard. On top of that it'd be ridiculous to sign that many attacking midfielders.
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That's just my opinion of course
Agree with on the "just enough" and "past errors" although one of past errors has not giving coaches "enough" in terms of quality and depth of squad because Duchatelet does understand those concepts.
if a prem club buys him it will be for the long term, if we sell him it will be to cover the short term financial disaster Katrien and Roland have created.
Signed up until 2020.
Can you really be sure he's better until he's played for the first team? It's not just about ability it's consistency, how they cope with the extra pressure etc.
The alternative approach is trying to build a side which can get us up and which is capable of competing in the Championship. Sadly, I think we know that this is not going to happen under the present ownership.
He wasn't helped by
the constant protestshaving to play under two different managers, in multiple formations and in an often struggling side.He also played in three different positions (RB/CH/DM0 and alongside different team mates almost every game.
All that will be a good learning experience for him but also means he didn't have a prolonged spell in his preferred position within a strong and stable side.
With all those things sorted next season he'll have a better chance to shine and might well be worth more then than now.
Konsa may we'll be a great player one day but £8 plus the kind of wages that go with it could cost a manager a job.
For all but the top sides £8m needs to go straight into the first team - he can't even get into our side in front of Pearce, Bauer or Texteria.
Guessing £3M.
And not one cent of that will be spent on any new transfers. Okay.... maybe $500k.
Say we have to sell one player to fund the promotion push (even though you'd think the Ade money would pay for that).
Would you sell Konza or Ricky?
We could bring in both Ryan Leonard and Marcus Maddison at that price, plus have money left over to give Ben Reeves the wages to come here.
Konsa can cover 3 different positions and is only going to get better