I think it would be more of a selling point for Rick to hold back and build a relationship with the new owners who will already know that the votv holds favour with sections of the fan base the new owner may offer more courtesy in communication with some one who shows restraint
The type of semi-official relationship you are describing between the owner and whomsoever can claim to represent the fan base would more likely to be filled by CAST (Charlton Athletic Supporters Trust). This body has a democratically elected board and a large membership. Although it was a member of the Coalition Against Roland Duchatelet (CARD) it was nevertheless the body that Murray looked to when he had made the recent overtures to the fan base in the face of the West Stand 'protest'.
Surely, this role (owner/fan communication) is one best channeled through CAST. Rick on the other hand can remain independent and continue to comment on all aspects of the Club through the vehicle of VOTV and/or other media outlets although I hesitate to put words in his mouth. VOTV also allows of course a whole range of opinion and comment some of it not necessarily in tune with Rick.
Rick put aside the right or wrong information we all know that things are not done until it’s done and announced officially
If you were the new owners would you want a bloke who used to work at the club and runs a successful fanzine steal your thunder a bit or would respectfully hope that may be that person would wait and let you have your moment in the sun
I think regardless of whether the information leaks out and it’s astonishing if it doesn’t. Whoever takes over will get their “moment in the sun”. Of that I have no doubt.
I think they would give a shit they are bound to have a certain level of ego and if you have just put in 45 mil (alleged) and taken away a person fans feel is a monster of an owner you wouldn’t want it put out there by someone else
Its clear from what we have been told, something is happening.
Lets all chill out guys. The unifying thing here is we all want the best for our club.
Lets wait and see who they are......the enemy here is Duchatelet, not Rick, not Redhenry or any other itk individual
I can see that some peoples expectations have been a little let down by Imminent and done deal, etc, but anyone who has ever bought a business or been involved in a business take over knows that its not done until you sign on the dotted line and hand over the filthy lucre.
No need for witchhunts or finger pointing, we all just want the best for CAFC
Time for us to unify.
Shock rumour "Aussie based Charlton fan hints at name change to Charlton United,"
If it does turn out to be the Andrew Muir-led bid, at least, with his Essendon connections, he's unlikely to change the team name to "Carlton" and the colours to navy blue.
Just taking this off topic but, for me, this sort of made me angry and is symptomatic of the current regime ... Went up to the local butchers this morning to get bits and pieces and a group of 30-somethings were meeting up to go off to football. They were going to Spurs v Arsenal. What sort of angered me was the butchers was in Bexley and I was thinking No. They shouldn't be going to watch Spurs, they should be getting ready to go and see Charlton. Point is, I recognised a couple of them as guys who used to go to Charlton and they're just a few of the many 1000's that we've lost to other clubs or have just given up going. It's going to take the new owners years to get back the lost 1000's. The sooner this take over goes through, the better. I hate Duchatelet ...
The Charlton Life meme economy is particularly strong at the moment, I'd certainly invest in #donedeal and bitesize bitesized threads becoming a thing.
If anyone here doesn't want any info until it's officially announced then I have news for them. It's bloody simple - don't open this thread.
As for new owners not being happy because a fan may 'announce' it before they do I'd say really?. If someone posts on here that it's on the OS are you not going to read it because Airman has said done deal the day before. Are you not going to listen to their press conference or tune in to Sky News.
I really don't think they'd give two hoots about it.
Rick put aside the right or wrong information we all know that things are not done until it’s done and announced officially
If you were the new owners would you want a bloke who used to work at the club and runs a successful fanzine steal your thunder a bit or would respectfully hope that may be that person would wait and let you have your moment in the sun
I’m happy to be told what the likes of Red Henry and Airman know, it helps break up the monotony of my everyday existence. You have to remember though that Airman is a journalist and journos will instinctively sensationlise a story because is what they do.
The problem is not the info shared it’s the choice of language. “Imminent” when it was in fact months away and it was later admitted there was no idea what the timeline might be and then “done deal” when the deal was not done at all, just at a more advanced stage of negotiations, ironically probably what most us might call ‘imminent‘.
If you set yourself up as a source of information for people who are desperate for good news, you need to be careful about how you present that news or accept a bit of a disappointed backlash when reality doesn’t quite live up to the headlines.
I’m happy to be told what the likes of Red Henry and Airman know, it helps break up the monotony of my everyday existence. You have to remember though that Airman is a journalist and journos will instinctively sensationlise a story because is what they do.
The problem is not the info shared it’s the choice of language. “Imminent” when it was in fact months away and it was later admitted there was no idea what the timeline might be and then “done deal” when the deal was not done at all, just at a more advanced stage of negotiations, ironically probably what most us might call ‘imminent‘.
If you set yourself up as a source of information for people who are desperate for good news, you need to be careful about how you present that news or accept a bit of a disappointed backlash when reality doesn’t quite live up to the headlines.
That’s not quite right. The suggestion the takeover was “imminent” came from a credible source and the background detail was supported by multiple others - or I would have held off. In fact I toned the original version down, but I wasn’t cautious enough. Fact remains the activity was going on, despite the club denying it. It wasn’t a matter of me having no timeline and inventing one at all. A very specific timeline was given to me which turned out to be wrong - as indeed the piece I wrote on my site says it might. But people only remember what they choose.
As far as “done deal” is concerned, those are the words used by two separate sources to me. I accept they were not meant in the sense of paperwork signed and completed, but they were not conveying a stage of negotiation. That’s an interpretation which may be valid, but it’s not what the sources said. What they meant by it was that the deal is agreed and will now go through.
I’m happy to be told what the likes of Red Henry and Airman know, it helps break up the monotony of my everyday existence. You have to remember though that Airman is a journalist and journos will instinctively sensationlise a story because is what they do.
The problem is not the info shared it’s the choice of language. “Imminent” when it was in fact months away and it was later admitted there was no idea what the timeline might be and then “done deal” when the deal was not done at all, just at a more advanced stage of negotiations, ironically probably what most us might call ‘imminent‘.
If you set yourself up as a source of information for people who are desperate for good news, you need to be careful about how you present that news or accept a bit of a disappointed backlash when reality doesn’t quite live up to the headlines.
That’s not quite right. The suggestion the takeover was “imminent” came from a credible source and the background detail was supported by multiple others - or I would have held off. In fact I toned the original version down, but I wasn’t cautious enough. Fact remains the activity was going on, despite the club denying it. It wasn’t a matter of me having no timeline and inventing one at all. A very specific timeline was given to me which turned out to be wrong - as indeed the piece I wrote on my site says it might. But people only remember what they choose.
As far as “done deal” is concerned, those are the words used by two separate sources to me. I accept they were not meant in the sense of paperwork signed and completed, but they were not conveying a stage of negotiation. That’s an interpretation which may be valid, but it’s not what the sources said. What they meant by it was that the deal is agreed and will now go through.
From reading this, it’s clear that the ‘done deal’ is based on the fact that a deal that is at the moment verbal rather than on paper with T’s crossed etc!
A deal is done , but not on paper.... yet! Still nothing to be worried/downhearted about, it’s playing itself to the finish
I'm sorry, but how is a deal done if nothing's been signed or completed?
A gentlemen's agreement with a Man as unhinged as Duchatelet is a long way from crossing the line imo. Stating otherwise is a foolish stance to take.
Regardless of if it on paper , if a deal has been agreed and arranged then that can only be a positive... the discrepancy between done deal and deal agreed with regards to Duchatelets reputation obviously puts peoples backs up , but to come to an agreement and ‘this far’ - id say it’s as good as done which @Airman Brown has more or less alluded to!
I'm sorry, but how is a deal done if nothing's been signed or completed?
A gentlemen's agreement with a Man as unhinged as Duchatelet is a long way from crossing the line imo. Stating otherwise is a foolish stance to take.
If you have two separate sources telling you it's a done deal then I'm not sure what else Airman could've said.
Maybe the sources are getting ahead of themselves (sounds like the Aussies have multiple times through the process already) but it's a major positive IMO that similar noises are coming from other places now too.
I'm sorry, but how is a deal done if nothing's been signed or completed?
A gentlemen's agreement with a Man as unhinged as Duchatelet is a long way from crossing the line imo. Stating otherwise is a foolish stance to take.
If you have two separate sources telling you it's a done deal then I'm not sure what else Airman could've said.
Maybe the sources are getting ahead of themselves (sounds like the Aussies have multiple times through the process already) but it's a major positive IMO that similar noises are coming from other places now too.
A cliché I know, but maybe wait until it's on the OS.
I'm sorry, but how is a deal done if nothing's been signed or completed?
A gentlemen's agreement with a Man as unhinged as Duchatelet is a long way from crossing the line imo. Stating otherwise is a foolish stance to take.
If you have two separate sources telling you it's a done deal then I'm not sure what else Airman could've said.
Maybe the sources are getting ahead of themselves (sounds like the Aussies have multiple times through the process already) but it's a major positive IMO that similar noises are coming from other places now too.
A cliché I know, but maybe wait until it's on the OS.
I'm sorry, but how is a deal done if nothing's been signed or completed?
A gentlemen's agreement with a Man as unhinged as Duchatelet is a long way from crossing the line imo. Stating otherwise is a foolish stance to take.
If you have two separate sources telling you it's a done deal then I'm not sure what else Airman could've said.
Maybe the sources are getting ahead of themselves (sounds like the Aussies have multiple times through the process already) but it's a major positive IMO that similar noises are coming from other places now too.
A cliché I know, but maybe wait until it's on the OS.
But that's not how journalists work...
People keep calling him a journo, he writes a poxy fanzine ffs hardly journalism is it.
I'm sorry, but how is a deal done if nothing's been signed or completed?
A gentlemen's agreement with a Man as unhinged as Duchatelet is a long way from crossing the line imo. Stating otherwise is a foolish stance to take.
If you have two separate sources telling you it's a done deal then I'm not sure what else Airman could've said.
Maybe the sources are getting ahead of themselves (sounds like the Aussies have multiple times through the process already) but it's a major positive IMO that similar noises are coming from other places now too.
A cliché I know, but maybe wait until it's on the OS.
I'm sorry, but how is a deal done if nothing's been signed or completed?
A gentlemen's agreement with a Man as unhinged as Duchatelet is a long way from crossing the line imo. Stating otherwise is a foolish stance to take.
If you have two separate sources telling you it's a done deal then I'm not sure what else Airman could've said.
Maybe the sources are getting ahead of themselves (sounds like the Aussies have multiple times through the process already) but it's a major positive IMO that similar noises are coming from other places now too.
A cliché I know, but maybe wait until it's on the OS.
But that's not how journalists work...
People keep calling him a journo, he writes a poxy fanzine ffs hardly journalism is it.
Rick used to be a journo for the Mercury - and gave loads of coverage for the Return to The Valley.
Comments
Surely, this role (owner/fan communication) is one best channeled through CAST.
Rick on the other hand can remain independent and continue to comment on all aspects of the Club through the vehicle of VOTV and/or other media outlets although I hesitate to put words in his mouth.
VOTV also allows of course a whole range of opinion and comment some of it not necessarily in tune with Rick.
That's twice I've looked at it lately and bugger all.
Time for a bitesize bitesize?
As for new owners not being happy because a fan may 'announce' it before they do I'd say really?. If someone posts on here that it's on the OS are you not going to read it because Airman has said done deal the day before. Are you not going to listen to their press conference or tune in to Sky News.
I really don't think they'd give two hoots about it.
The problem is not the info shared it’s the choice of language. “Imminent” when it was in fact months away and it was later admitted there was no idea what the timeline might be and then “done deal” when the deal was not done at all, just at a more advanced stage of negotiations, ironically probably what most us might call ‘imminent‘.
If you set yourself up as a source of information for people who are desperate for good news, you need to be careful about how you present that news or accept a bit of a disappointed backlash when reality doesn’t quite live up to the headlines.
As far as “done deal” is concerned, those are the words used by two separate sources to me. I accept they were not meant in the sense of paperwork signed and completed, but they were not conveying a stage of negotiation. That’s an interpretation which may be valid, but it’s not what the sources said. What they meant by it was that the deal is agreed and will now go through.
A deal is done , but not on paper.... yet!
Still nothing to be worried/downhearted about, it’s playing itself to the finish
"Airman Brown is innocent, ok?"
A gentlemen's agreement with a Man as unhinged as Duchatelet is a long way from crossing the line imo.
Stating otherwise is a foolish stance to take.
How do we reconcile this statement with the fact (?) that there are still two parties in the running. I’m probably being thick but I don’t get it.
Maybe the sources are getting ahead of themselves (sounds like the Aussies have multiple times through the process already) but it's a major positive IMO that similar noises are coming from other places now too.
RED BULL DONE DEAL???
keep up the good work Airman and Redhenry your updates are fine by me