I hope so because we could all look forward to a heart-warming Charlton Athletic Christmas advert featuring a haddock and a robin frolicking in the snow.
All hypothetical at the moment, but I wouldn't have a problem if Charlton were lucky enough to attract a buyer with extremely deep pockets who wanted to invest heavily in getting us to the Premier League and wanted to make big changes off the pitch.
I am at an age where I should be nostalgic about the 1960s when I stood on the old East Terrace in the pouring rain watching people like Len Glover or Billy Bonds bombing down the pitch, but you can't stop progress. The changes that have occurred in football over the past 20 years are not necessarily to my taste, but you either go with it, or you become irrelevant. Continuing under the ownership of RD, I think there is a real chance we would move towards the latter, so am glad he is about to go. However, new owners with good intents but limited financial resources probably means it will just be a slower progression to becoming irrelevant.
Don't know why anyone would want to leave the Valley and watch football in a soulless bowl near the O2. Anyone been to the Olympic stadium/emirates etc. its crap.
Don't know why anyone would want to leave the Valley and watch football in a soulless bowl near the O2. Anyone been to the Olympic stadium/emirates etc. its crap.
Yeah......but just imagine the artisanal sourdough pizza with prosciutto and kalamata olive tapenade that could be purchased at half time.....
Don't know why anyone would want to leave the Valley and watch football in a soulless bowl near the O2. Anyone been to the Olympic stadium/emirates etc. its crap.
Just easier to access though North Greenwich. Can get there from waterloo etc easily enough and from other areas of London a lot easier than getting to charlton station.
The protests are not and never have been about results on the pitch.
Think you're kidding yourself! If results had been good then everything else would have been perceived to be run well and there would have been no protests
500 posts on fucking Red Bull who are not even looking to buy Charlton. Let’s try another 500 on the prospect of John Lewis buying us or perhaps Crayford Metals.
Ffs.
This will look very silly when our new Austrian owners are unveiled on the pitch at half time tomorrow.
The protests are not and never have been about results on the pitch.
Think you're kidding yourself! If results had been good then everything else would have been perceived to be run well and there would have been no protests
If we were selling our best players to balance the books but were a top 6 championship team, no-one would bat an eyelid at what Roland had done. It's entirely what happened on the pitch that led us to this moment. Football fans are fickle as fuck, and at the end of the day we all just want our team to be successful
The protests are not and never have been about results on the pitch.
Think you're kidding yourself! If results had been good then everything else would have been perceived to be run well and there would have been no protests
The protests are not and never have been about results on the pitch.
Think you're kidding yourself! If results had been good then everything else would have been perceived to be run well and there would have been no protests
If we were selling our best players to balance the books but were a top 6 championship team, no-one would bat an eyelid at what Roland had done. It's entirely what happened on the pitch that led us to this moment. Football fans are fickle as fuck, and at the end of the day we all just want our team to be successful
Disagree entirely. If things were all fine on the pitch then things would have had to have been different off the pitch. There is no way that off the pitch setup could ever bring success. Of the only problem was Miere making the odd stupid comment then that could have been ignored. But the whole setup was wrong from top to bottom. Results could have only gone one way.
If results were better then it would have meant they hadn't taken that approach therefore we wouldn't be protesting about their approach.
The protests are not and never have been about results on the pitch.
Think you're kidding yourself! If results had been good then everything else would have been perceived to be run well and there would have been no protests
If we were selling our best players to balance the books but were a top 6 championship team, no-one would bat an eyelid at what Roland had done. It's entirely what happened on the pitch that led us to this moment. Football fans are fickle as fuck, and at the end of the day we all just want our team to be successful
So why no protests when we dropped down to league for three seasons under Murray and then the Spivs?
Charlton fans are used to having under performing sides but haven't protested in anything like the current way before?
The difference is that before we had boards, for all their faults, wanted success on the pitch and ran the club in a relatively "normal" way.
It is also a fact that when the team has started to do a bit better, like at the beginning of this season, the crowds have stayed fairly static. People haven't rushed back because it was just the poor football that was the problem.
Don't know why anyone would want to leave the Valley and watch football in a soulless bowl near the O2. Anyone been to the Olympic stadium/emirates etc. its crap.
But supporters do don't they? Man City, Arsenal and West Ham are all getting good attendances after moving stadiums. What's the common denominator? Premier league football.
The protests are not and never have been about results on the pitch.
Think you're kidding yourself! If results had been good then everything else would have been perceived to be run well and there would have been no protests
The protests are not and never have been about results on the pitch.
Think you're kidding yourself! If results had been good then everything else would have been perceived to be run well and there would have been no protests
If we were selling our best players to balance the books but were a top 6 championship team, no-one would bat an eyelid at what Roland had done. It's entirely what happened on the pitch that led us to this moment. Football fans are fickle as fuck, and at the end of the day we all just want our team to be successful
Disagree entirely. If things were all fine on the pitch then things would have had to have been different off the pitch. There is no way that off the pitch setup could ever bring success. Of the only problem was Miere making the odd stupid comment then that could have been ignored. But the whole setup was wrong from top to bottom. Results could have only gone one way.
If results were better then it would have meant they hadn't taken that approach therefore we wouldn't be protesting about their approach.
The protests are not and never have been about results on the pitch.
Think you're kidding yourself! If results had been good then everything else would have been perceived to be run well and there would have been no protests
If we were selling our best players to balance the books but were a top 6 championship team, no-one would bat an eyelid at what Roland had done. It's entirely what happened on the pitch that led us to this moment. Football fans are fickle as fuck, and at the end of the day we all just want our team to be successful
This "if we were successful no would would of protest" is a moot point though because the way they ran the club was never going to produce success on the pitch and anyone with half a brain could see that after a few months. The way they ran the business was shit and the football ended up shit you can't separate the two, as much as people would like to.
The protests are not and never have been about results on the pitch.
Think you're kidding yourself! If results had been good then everything else would have been perceived to be run well and there would have been no protests
If we were selling our best players to balance the books but were a top 6 championship team, no-one would bat an eyelid at what Roland had done. It's entirely what happened on the pitch that led us to this moment. Football fans are fickle as fuck, and at the end of the day we all just want our team to be successful
This "if we were successful no would would of protest" is a moot point though because the way they ran the club was never going to produce success on the pitch and anyone with half a brain could see that after a few months. The way they ran the business was shit and the football ended up shit you can't separate the two, as much as people would like to.
It that's not what is being said. @Davo55 said the protests were never about results but although we all agree RDs fuckwit strategy was doomed to fail from the start, if he'd managed to fluke it, there would have been no appetite for a protest movement.
But has anyone considered that new owners might try to move us to the peninsula?? What then??!
I'm shocked this hasn't been brought up before.
I have a feeling RB might want to change our badge as well.
Can anyone investigate?
Wow, slow down there. Where are you getting this stuff from?
You'll be saying no one has done due diligence and nothing is happening next.
We could discuss RD's asking price, that would be new and exciting.
Only after what school you went to, is Brexit a good idea and the impact of selling Scott Parker; three topics everyone on CL seems to dodge.
Never mind Scott Parker. I’m still fuming about Len Glover.
I see your Len Glover and raise you Scotty Kingsley
You got me. Was he our first ever sale ?
I think he played Ghandi in a film, the name of which escapes me! Apparently I have a ticket for the football for a fiver. Am I........ A) a tight b@st@rd? B ) In the know, re: the takeover? C) Popping in to help our Tone pack his best china tea service and bid him a tearful farewell? D) A hypocrite, if they are still here?
The protests are not and never have been about results on the pitch.
Think you're kidding yourself! If results had been good then everything else would have been perceived to be run well and there would have been no protests
If we were selling our best players to balance the books but were a top 6 championship team, no-one would bat an eyelid at what Roland had done. It's entirely what happened on the pitch that led us to this moment. Football fans are fickle as fuck, and at the end of the day we all just want our team to be successful
This "if we were successful no would would of protest" is a moot point though because the way they ran the club was never going to produce success on the pitch and anyone with half a brain could see that after a few months. The way they ran the business was shit and the football ended up shit you can't separate the two, as much as people would like to.
It that's not what is being said. @Davo55 said the protests were never about results but although we all agree RDs fuckwit strategy was doomed to fail from the start, if he'd managed to fluke it, there would have been no appetite for a protest movement.
That's not what is being said. There was no chance of it working for more than a month or so. The entire setup was flawed. There was no way it could have happened. No way at all.
As I said above the only way results could have been different is if everything they did off the pitch was changed. And if that was the case they woukd be running the club properly and there would be no need to protest.
The two are intrinsically linked. There is no way to separate the way they ran the club and results.
The protests are not and never have been about results on the pitch.
Think you're kidding yourself! If results had been good then everything else would have been perceived to be run well and there would have been no protests
The protests are not and never have been about results on the pitch.
Think you're kidding yourself! If results had been good then everything else would have been perceived to be run well and there would have been no protests
If we were selling our best players to balance the books but were a top 6 championship team, no-one would bat an eyelid at what Roland had done. It's entirely what happened on the pitch that led us to this moment. Football fans are fickle as fuck, and at the end of the day we all just want our team to be successful
Disagree entirely. If things were all fine on the pitch then things would have had to have been different off the pitch. There is no way that off the pitch setup could ever bring success. Of the only problem was Miere making the odd stupid comment then that could have been ignored. But the whole setup was wrong from top to bottom. Results could have only gone one way.
If results were better then it would have meant they hadn't taken that approach therefore we wouldn't be protesting about their approach.
Correct. I prefer to think about the unrest not being about 'the results' or 'not about the results' but the results AND the WAY in which the results have been achieved (if 'achieved' is the correct phrase..)
Most of us have seen some crap in our lifetimes. If we've slipped down the leagues and sold players to make ends meet BUT we'd had an owner and SMT who'd admitted they were struggling, had helped out with fundraising and mixed in with the fans there wouldn't have been unrest - sure we'd still want the owner to sell to someone with cash, but they'd less likely to be met with hostility.
Instead we've been saddled with the richest owner in our history who has lent large amounts of money almost wilfully irresponsibly and an SMT who seem to go out of their way to antagonise and persecute fans. It was bound to have gone pear shaped
But has anyone considered that new owners might try to move us to the peninsula?? What then??!
I'm shocked this hasn't been brought up before.
I have a feeling RB might want to change our badge as well.
Can anyone investigate?
Wow, slow down there. Where are you getting this stuff from?
You'll be saying no one has done due diligence and nothing is happening next.
We could discuss RD's asking price, that would be new and exciting.
Only after what school you went to, is Brexit a good idea and the impact of selling Scott Parker; three topics everyone on CL seems to dodge.
Never mind Scott Parker. I’m still fuming about Len Glover.
I see your Len Glover and raise you Scotty Kingsley
You got me. Was he our first ever sale ?
Sold to pay our debts in 1921/2
How did that make you feel Henners ?
Gutted.
Hated Fulham ever since.
The most important player in Charlton’s history?
“Although Scotty only played 20 league matches for Charlton he was undoubtedly one of the most significant and central figures in the club’s history – one could even argue, the most significant. After the First World War is was Kingsley, who had joined the Addicks in 1912, who approached the Charlton secretary to enquire if it was possible to re-form the club and this was agreed at a subsequent meeting which was attended by Scotty. It is also claimed that Kingsley was one of a small delegation of Charlton minded people who visited what was then called the Swamps and decided that was where they wanted their ground to be built – which signaled the birth of the Valley. Then when, in 1922, Charlton were threatened with closure by the builders of the stand if they did not honour a £1,000 debt, Scotty agreed to a transfer to Fulham and his transfer fee wiped out the debt and probably saved the club” Colin Cameron – Club Historian writing in the Valiant 500
The first overseas player?
Although the early Charlton teams were made up of local boys and Scotty Kingsley attended Fossdene School was born in Barbados in 1891. He died in Plumstead in 1967. He worked as a foreman optical instrument maker for the Woolwich Arsenal throughout his playing career.
But has anyone considered that new owners might try to move us to the peninsula?? What then??!
I'm shocked this hasn't been brought up before.
I have a feeling RB might want to change our badge as well.
Can anyone investigate?
Wow, slow down there. Where are you getting this stuff from?
You'll be saying no one has done due diligence and nothing is happening next.
We could discuss RD's asking price, that would be new and exciting.
Only after what school you went to, is Brexit a good idea and the impact of selling Scott Parker; three topics everyone on CL seems to dodge.
Never mind Scott Parker. I’m still fuming about Len Glover.
I see your Len Glover and raise you Scotty Kingsley
You got me. Was he our first ever sale ?
I think he played Ghandi in a film, the name of which escapes me! Apparently I have a ticket for the football for a fiver. Am I........ A) a tight b@st@rd? B ) In the know, re: the takeover? C) Popping in to help our Tone pack his best china tea service and bid him a tearful farewell? D) A hypocrite, if they are still here?
That's easy @TCE.........it's A (with a little bit of C for good measure)
I’m going to start a different thread only for Airman or Red Henry. So only they can post on it. Also I might include the Australians. Redbull Muir and now John Lewis.
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I hope so because we could all look forward to a heart-warming Charlton Athletic Christmas advert featuring a haddock and a robin frolicking in the snow.
I am at an age where I should be nostalgic about the 1960s when I stood on the old East Terrace in the pouring rain watching people like Len Glover or Billy Bonds bombing down the pitch, but you can't stop progress. The changes that have occurred in football over the past 20 years are not necessarily to my taste, but you either go with it, or you become irrelevant. Continuing under the ownership of RD, I think there is a real chance we would move towards the latter, so am glad he is about to go. However, new owners with good intents but limited financial resources probably means it will just be a slower progression to becoming irrelevant.
The times they are a changing.
Has Hayden Mullins signed yet?
Has curbs taken us as far as he can?
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If results were better then it would have meant they hadn't taken that approach therefore we wouldn't be protesting about their approach.
Charlton fans are used to having under performing sides but haven't protested in anything like the current way before?
The difference is that before we had boards, for all their faults, wanted success on the pitch and ran the club in a relatively "normal" way.
It is also a fact that when the team has started to do a bit better, like at the beginning of this season, the crowds have stayed fairly static. People haven't rushed back because it was just the poor football that was the problem.
Apparently I have a ticket for the football for a fiver. Am I........
A) a tight b@st@rd?
B ) In the know, re: the takeover?
C) Popping in to help our Tone pack his best china tea service and bid him a tearful farewell?
D) A hypocrite, if they are still here?
As I said above the only way results could have been different is if everything they did off the pitch was changed. And if that was the case they woukd be running the club properly and there would be no need to protest.
The two are intrinsically linked. There is no way to separate the way they ran the club and results.
Most of us have seen some crap in our lifetimes. If we've slipped down the leagues and sold players to make ends meet BUT we'd had an owner and SMT who'd admitted they were struggling, had helped out with fundraising and mixed in with the fans there wouldn't have been unrest - sure we'd still want the owner to sell to someone with cash, but they'd less likely to be met with hostility.
Instead we've been saddled with the richest owner in our history who has lent large amounts of money almost wilfully irresponsibly and an SMT who seem to go out of their way to antagonise and persecute fans. It was bound to have gone pear shaped
Hated Fulham ever since.
The most important player in Charlton’s history?
“Although Scotty only played 20 league matches for Charlton he was undoubtedly one of the most significant and central figures in the club’s history – one could even argue, the most significant.
After the First World War is was Kingsley, who had joined the Addicks in 1912, who approached the Charlton secretary to enquire if it was possible to re-form the club and this was agreed at a subsequent meeting which was attended by Scotty.
It is also claimed that Kingsley was one of a small delegation of Charlton minded people who visited what was then called the Swamps and decided that was where they wanted their ground to be built – which signaled the birth of the Valley.
Then when, in 1922, Charlton were threatened with closure by the builders of the stand if they did not honour a £1,000 debt, Scotty agreed to a transfer to Fulham and his transfer fee wiped out the debt and probably saved the club”
Colin Cameron – Club Historian writing in the Valiant 500
The first overseas player?
Although the early Charlton teams were made up of local boys and Scotty Kingsley attended Fossdene School was born in Barbados in 1891. He died in Plumstead in 1967. He worked as a foreman optical instrument maker for the Woolwich Arsenal throughout his playing career.