This takeover talk is like Brexit talk, booooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrriiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnng.
As soon as it 'finally' happens then I will celebrate. Jim White for me was the final straw when I got excited when he announced takeover happening soon but that was a load of old pony!
This takeover talk is like Brexit talk, booooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrriiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnng.
As soon as it 'finally' happens then I will celebrate. Jim White for me was the final straw when I got excited when he announced takeover happening soon but that was a load of old pony!
I booked a train ticket for the Shrewsbury game on the strength of being sold next week.
One thing to consider is that the club now refuse to talk to the press about the takeover, saying that they will make any statement through the forum. This is all bollocks as far as I'm concerned, but the local press doesn't have the leverage any more.
What should concern people is that there is a least one person going to FF meetings as a fans' representative and backing RD, while attacking people who criticise the regime. While that might represent a slither of Charlton supporters' views, there is no one regularly present who represents the other extreme and perhaps there needs to be.
Can CARD not get a seat at the table? I can see why the club wouldnt want them to, but if City Addicks can get a spot it seems ridiculous CARD can't.
Joking, right?
No, if the club were serious about listening to fans theyd be willing to listen to all fans, however the FF is just a box ticking exercise.
Exactly.
No, it's not.
It is far from perfect and not used as well as it should by the club but it's one of the few places fans can directly question the regime and speak truth to power.
The very reluctant denial, under pressure, from LDT about the £70m rebuff, was one example of this.
Yet we've been told there's proof the denial was a bare-faced lie.
If the club is willing to sit there and lie to fans giving up their free time to attend, you have to wonder how seriously they are taking it.
I’ve never claimed to have “proof”, just as I never had “proof” of Muir’s involvement with the Aussies, until he turned up nine months later at The Valley. I do have the word of someone I trust on it, which is good enough for me.
What I did say, for LDT’s benefit, was that proof might emerge. The whole point of that was to corner him on it at the FF, where people could make their own judgement. The lie - omitted from the record of the meeting because it is a lie - is the result.
I thought all parties have to agree on the minutes before they are released into the public domain? This question and resulting lie answer should not have been ommited.
One thing to consider is that the club now refuse to talk to the press about the takeover, saying that they will make any statement through the forum. This is all bollocks as far as I'm concerned, but the local press doesn't have the leverage any more.
What should concern people is that there is a least one person going to FF meetings as a fans' representative and backing RD, while attacking people who criticise the regime. While that might represent a slither of Charlton supporters' views, there is no one regularly present who represents the other extreme and perhaps there needs to be.
Can CARD not get a seat at the table? I can see why the club wouldnt want them to, but if City Addicks can get a spot it seems ridiculous CARD can't.
Joking, right?
No, if the club were serious about listening to fans theyd be willing to listen to all fans, however the FF is just a box ticking exercise.
Exactly.
No, it's not.
It is far from perfect and not used as well as it should by the club but it's one of the few places fans can directly question the regime and speak truth to power.
The very reluctant denial, under pressure, from LDT about the £70m rebuff, was one example of this.
Yet we've been told there's proof the denial was a bare-faced lie.
If the club is willing to sit there and lie to fans giving up their free time to attend, you have to wonder how seriously they are taking it.
I’ve never claimed to have “proof”, just as I never had “proof” of Muir’s involvement with the Aussies, until he turned up nine months later at The Valley. I do have the word of someone I trust on it, which is good enough for me.
What I did say, for LDT’s benefit, was that proof might emerge. The whole point of that was to corner him on it at the FF, where people could make their own judgement. The lie - omitted from the record of the meeting because it is a lie - is the result.
I thought all parties have to agree on the minutes before they are released into the public domain? This question and resulting lie answer should not have been ommited.
Maybe a follow up question in the next FF as to why and how this could happen? If they start omissions it can lead to more accusations and more mistrust, not that I have any trust in this mob.
What s the minimum we need to compete next season and still be within league rules? Can Roland let all contracts run out, sign no one and play an academy team for instance?
What s the minimum we need to compete next season and still be within league rules? Can Roland let all contracts run out, sign no one and play an academy team for instance?
Can do whatever he wants as long as the fixtures are fulfilled as far as I’m aware.
I'm not convinced about the spite element, but he is clearly stubborn and in his eyes wants to show that he's not lost out significantly on his disastrous acquisition of Charlton: he certainly doesn't want to admit that doing no effective due diligence was a mistake.
I don't think he is particularly motivated by spiting us - but equally he's not motivated not to. And he finds himself in a situation where he wants to not lose face so holds out for an unrealistic price and won't shift because he's stubborn even though it will cost him a lot more in the long run. I think his stubbornness is a defining characteristic and no sale is going to happen under him. His heirs will end up selling a team that yo-yos between Leagues 1 and 2, I've no idea when.
It might even be worth putting some pressure on them to have a word with their old man.
It appears that the Australians did us a huge disservice (albeit unintentionally) by agreeing, subject to contract, an inflated price, which Duchâtelet is refusing to budge from. The best outcome might be for them to publicy walk away, in the hope that a more realistic price can ultimately be agreed for our loss-making football club.
Nothing is likely to happen between now and the end of the season and with two-thirds of our squad’s contracts expiring in June (together with Lee Bowyer’s) we are soon going to be looking into the abyss.
Duchatelet feels he can hang on without lowering his price but the reality is that he really only has one more saleable asset in the form of Lyle Taylor. His response, I suspect will be to try and reduce the budget further, although it’s difficult to see what further meaningful cuts he can make.
For the first time in a long time I believe he is doing the decent thing and keeping his head down and powder dry , this has been a cluster fk from the get go and his association with not telling the whole truth has been biting him on the arse for years
There’s enough lies being told to anyone who will listen from within he doesn’t need to add to them
Out of the blue from a mate got a message saying, unnamed on here , trying to buy us but funnily enough our owner being difficult .
I looked up the mob who it could be and it makes no sense ... cos they currently own a club but It may be the people who previously owned the business who sold it to them who may be looking to buy us
What a load of shit
Still just a reminder our owner is a back and front (is that allowed )
Out of the blue from a mate got a message saying, unnamed on here , trying to buy us but funnily enough our owner being difficult .
I looked up the mob who it could be and it makes no sense ... cos they currently own a club but It may be the people who previously owned the business who sold it to them who may be looking to buy us
What a load of shit
Still just a reminder our owner is a back and front (is that allowed )
Out of the blue from a mate got a message saying, unnamed on here , trying to buy us but funnily enough our owner being difficult .
I looked up the mob who it could be and it makes no sense ... cos they currently own a club but It may be the people who previously owned the business who sold it to them who may be looking to buy us
What a load of shit
Still just a reminder our owner is a back and front (is that allowed )
I'm not convinced about the spite element, but he is clearly stubborn and in his eyes wants to show that he's not lost out significantly on his disastrous acquisition of Charlton: he certainly doesn't want to admit that doing no effective due diligence was a mistake.
I don't think he is particularly motivated by spiting us - but equally he's not motivated not to. And he finds himself in a situation where he wants to not lose face so holds out for an unrealistic price and won't shift because he's stubborn even though it will cost him a lot more in the long run. I think his stubbornness is a defining characteristic and no sale is going to happen under him. His heirs will end up selling a team that yo-yos between Leagues 1 and 2, I've no idea when.
It might even be worth putting some pressure on them to have a word with their old man.
I wouldn't be so sure. In some of his interviews, and in some of his recorded conversations with fans in Belgium he comes across as quite bitter about the way fans have 'treated' him and his protégé.
Found the sequence on JW pushing on price very frustrating. RD says a compromise has been reached with the Aussies (and others) and then very firmly says the price is not an issue. JW then says, 'What is the price?' Surely his question should have been, 'So what is the issue?'
The interview then disintegrates imo as JW allows RD time to waffle on (pun intended) about the protests which have clearly rattled him, but in reality have no bearing in his ability to sell the club.
Out of the blue from a mate got a message saying, unnamed on here , trying to buy us but funnily enough our owner being difficult .
I looked up the mob who it could be and it makes no sense ... cos they currently own a club but It may be the people who previously owned the business who sold it to them who may be looking to buy us
What a load of shit
Still just a reminder our owner is a back and front (is that allowed )
One thing to consider is that the club now refuse to talk to the press about the takeover, saying that they will make any statement through the forum. This is all bollocks as far as I'm concerned, but the local press doesn't have the leverage any more.
What should concern people is that there is a least one person going to FF meetings as a fans' representative and backing RD, while attacking people who criticise the regime. While that might represent a slither of Charlton supporters' views, there is no one regularly present who represents the other extreme and perhaps there needs to be.
Can CARD not get a seat at the table? I can see why the club wouldnt want them to, but if City Addicks can get a spot it seems ridiculous CARD can't.
Joking, right?
No, if the club were serious about listening to fans theyd be willing to listen to all fans, however the FF is just a box ticking exercise.
Exactly.
No, it's not.
It is far from perfect and not used as well as it should by the club but it's one of the few places fans can directly question the regime and speak truth to power.
The very reluctant denial, under pressure, from LDT about the £70m rebuff, was one example of this.
Yet we've been told there's proof the denial was a bare-faced lie.
If the club is willing to sit there and lie to fans giving up their free time to attend, you have to wonder how seriously they are taking it.
Roland and his mouthpiece hold the fans in contempt. We're the ones who drove his beloved "niece" out.
Out of the blue from a mate got a message saying, unnamed on here , trying to buy us but funnily enough our owner being difficult .
I looked up the mob who it could be and it makes no sense ... cos they currently own a club but It may be the people who previously owned the business who sold it to them who may be looking to buy us
What a load of shit
Still just a reminder our owner is a back and front (is that allowed )
I blame these new people for delaying the sale and their lack of transparency.
I also blame Oah Aah for getting people's hopes up. If it's not done in 72 hours as he promised it was all lies and spin from Roland.
Out of the blue from a mate got a message saying, unnamed on here , trying to buy us but funnily enough our owner being difficult .
I looked up the mob who it could be and it makes no sense ... cos they currently own a club but It may be the people who previously owned the business who sold it to them who may be looking to buy us
What a load of shit
Still just a reminder our owner is a back and front (is that allowed )
I blame these new people for delaying the sale and their lack of transparency.
I also blame Oah Aah for getting people's hopes up. If it's not done in 72 hours as he promised it was all lies and spin from Roland.
While the blame game is taking place can I take the blame for my Aunt Flo from Bermondsey who on Mon, Wed and Friday afternoon does readings with Tarot cards at the end of the pier in Surrey quays.
She is a daft old bat who I haven't spoken to since she took me to a Millwall v Hull city game when I said I wanted to see Lions and Tigers. Still at least I saw 11 clowns even if i didnt see Billy Smart. When you are only 8 these events are very damaging.
After we did the double against the spanners when old big nose was manager, no not Pardew but Mick MaCarthy, You remember the season when they had 2 Russians on mega money who did the pub crawl down the old Kent road after training.
My Aunt Flo was so irate she put a curse on "The house of Charlton " and said you will never beat the spanners again.
Wow!!!!!!! Never been itk til now !! Just had a 15 min conversation with Keith Harris in my cab. As open as he could be. Main points were;
RD very difficult man to deal with. Obstinate and refusing to put any more money in
Price agreed but structure of payment (Gomez / Lookman sell ons etc)
Aussies still include Andrew Muir as main consortium member
Aussies will be good for us if they can get it over the line
No other bidders as far as he’s aware
LdT is a nice guy but is RDs man and is working on his behalf hence the comment re the Aussies having some explaining to do when it’s all over is bollox. All down to RD and his stubbornness
(dont shoot the messenger) he said it’s very close. He even hinted at the dreaded “2 weeks”
Aussies not worried about timing of purchase I.e. they wouldn’t wait til end of season just cos transfer window closed
Everything seems in line with as per @JamesSeed has reported. He now tops my itk list of credibility
Wow!!!!!!! Never been itk til now !! Just had a 15 min conversation with Keith Harris in my cab. As open as he could be. Main points were;
RD very difficult man to deal with. Obstinate and refusing to put any more money in
Price agreed but structure of payment (Gomez / Lookman sell ons etc)
Aussies still include Andrew Muir as main consortium member
Aussies will be good for us if they can get it over the line
No other bidders as far as he’s aware
LdT is a nice guy but is RDs man and is working on his behalf hence the comment re the Aussies having some explaining to do when it’s all over is bollox. All down to RD and his stubbornness
(dont shoot the messenger) he said it’s very close. He even hinted at the dreaded “2 weeks”
Aussies not worried about timing of purchase I.e. they wouldn’t wait til end of season just cos transfer window closed
Everything seems in line with as per @JamesSeed has reported. He now tops my itk list of credibility
Wow!!!!!!! Never been itk til now !! Just had a 15 min conversation with Keith Harris in my cab. As open as he could be. Main points were;
RD very difficult man to deal with. Obstinate and refusing to put any more money in
Price agreed but structure of payment (Gomez / Lookman sell ons etc)
Aussies still include Andrew Muir as main consortium member
Aussies will be good for us if they can get it over the line
No other bidders as far as he’s aware
LdT is a nice guy but is RDs man and is working on his behalf hence the comment re the Aussies having some explaining to do when it’s all over is bollox. All down to RD and his stubbornness
(dont shoot the messenger) he said it’s very close. He even hinted at the dreaded “2 weeks”
Aussies not worried about timing of purchase I.e. they wouldn’t wait til end of season just cos transfer window closed
Everything seems in line with as per @JamesSeed has reported. He now tops my itk list of credibility
Wow!!!!!!! Never been itk til now !! Just had a 15 min conversation with Keith Harris in my cab. As open as he could be. Main points were;
RD very difficult man to deal with. Obstinate and refusing to put any more money in
Price agreed but structure of payment (Gomez / Lookman sell ons etc)
Aussies still include Andrew Muir as main consortium member
Aussies will be good for us if they can get it over the line
No other bidders as far as he’s aware
LdT is a nice guy but is RDs man and is working on his behalf hence the comment re the Aussies having some explaining to do when it’s all over is bollox. All down to RD and his stubbornness
(dont shoot the messenger) he said it’s very close. He even hinted at the dreaded “2 weeks”
Aussies not worried about timing of purchase I.e. they wouldn’t wait til end of season just cos transfer window closed
Everything seems in line with as per @JamesSeed has reported. He now tops my itk list of credibility
What has @JamesSeed reported? Is it a recent update?
Wow!!!!!!! Never been itk til now !! Just had a 15 min conversation with Keith Harris in my cab. As open as he could be. Main points were;
RD very difficult man to deal with. Obstinate and refusing to put any more money in
Price agreed but structure of payment (Gomez / Lookman sell ons etc)
Aussies still include Andrew Muir as main consortium member
Aussies will be good for us if they can get it over the line
No other bidders as far as he’s aware
LdT is a nice guy but is RDs man and is working on his behalf hence the comment re the Aussies having some explaining to do when it’s all over is bollox. All down to RD and his stubbornness
(dont shoot the messenger) he said it’s very close. He even hinted at the dreaded “2 weeks”
Aussies not worried about timing of purchase I.e. they wouldn’t wait til end of season just cos transfer window closed
Everything seems in line with as per @JamesSeed has reported. He now tops my itk list of credibility
Feeling pretty down at the moment so this has raised my spirits considerably.
Relating the post to Mr F and unsure how to describe who KH is/his place in this process....
Any help gratefully received.
BTW. Should you pick up Michael Buble, PLEASE lock the doors until I can get there....:-)
It was an app job so had his name. While I was waiting I looked up his picture and couldn’t believe it when he came out and it was him. Hardly an obscure name. Tell mr F he’s a broker for the sale of the club
Wow!!!!!!! Never been itk til now !! Just had a 15 min conversation with Keith Harris in my cab. As open as he could be. Main points were;
RD very difficult man to deal with. Obstinate and refusing to put any more money in
Price agreed but structure of payment (Gomez / Lookman sell ons etc)
Aussies still include Andrew Muir as main consortium member
Aussies will be good for us if they can get it over the line
No other bidders as far as he’s aware
LdT is a nice guy but is RDs man and is working on his behalf hence the comment re the Aussies having some explaining to do when it’s all over is bollox. All down to RD and his stubbornness
(dont shoot the messenger) he said it’s very close. He even hinted at the dreaded “2 weeks”
Aussies not worried about timing of purchase I.e. they wouldn’t wait til end of season just cos transfer window closed
Everything seems in line with as per @JamesSeed has reported. He now tops my itk list of credibility
What has @JamesSeed reported? Is it a recent update?
Nothing recently. Just the general line of his reports from GM. Seems GM and KH are singing from the same sheet
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As soon as it 'finally' happens then I will celebrate. Jim White for me was the final straw when I got excited when he announced takeover happening soon but that was a load of old pony!
If they start omissions it can lead to more accusations and more mistrust, not that I have any trust in this mob.
Can Roland let all contracts run out, sign no one and play an academy team for instance?
I don't think he is particularly motivated by spiting us - but equally he's not motivated not to. And he finds himself in a situation where he wants to not lose face so holds out for an unrealistic price and won't shift because he's stubborn even though it will cost him a lot more in the long run. I think his stubbornness is a defining characteristic and no sale is going to happen under him. His heirs will end up selling a team that yo-yos between Leagues 1 and 2, I've no idea when.
It might even be worth putting some pressure on them to have a word with their old man.
Nothing is likely to happen between now and the end of the season and with two-thirds of our squad’s contracts expiring in June (together with Lee Bowyer’s) we are soon going to be looking into the abyss.
Duchatelet feels he can hang on without lowering his price but the reality is that he really only has one more saleable asset in the form of Lyle Taylor. His response, I suspect will be to try and reduce the budget further, although it’s difficult to see what further meaningful cuts he can make.
All very depressing.
Been a year since we last heard from him in an official capacity.
There’s enough lies being told to anyone who will listen from within he doesn’t need to add to them
I looked up the mob who it could be and it makes no sense ...
cos they currently own a club but It may be the people who previously owned the business who sold it to them who may be looking to buy us
What a load of shit
Still just a reminder our owner is a back and front (is that allowed )
Found the sequence on JW pushing on price very frustrating. RD says a compromise has been reached with the Aussies (and others) and then very firmly says the price is not an issue. JW then says, 'What is the price?' Surely his question should have been, 'So what is the issue?'
The interview then disintegrates imo as JW allows RD time to waffle on (pun intended) about the protests which have clearly rattled him, but in reality have no bearing in his ability to sell the club.
I also blame Oah Aah for getting people's hopes up. If it's not done in 72 hours as he promised it was all lies and spin from Roland.
I also blame CARD for no particular reason
She is a daft old bat who I haven't spoken to since she took me to a Millwall v Hull city game when I said I wanted to see Lions and Tigers. Still at least I saw 11 clowns even if i didnt see Billy Smart. When you are only 8 these events are very damaging.
After we did the double against the spanners when old big nose was manager, no not Pardew but Mick MaCarthy,
You remember the season when they had 2 Russians on mega money who did the pub crawl down the old Kent road after training.
My Aunt Flo was so irate she put a curse on "The house of Charlton " and said you will never beat the spanners again.
23 years and counting.
As open as he could be. Main points were;
RD very difficult man to deal with. Obstinate and refusing to put any more money in
Price agreed but structure of payment (Gomez / Lookman sell ons etc)
Aussies still include Andrew Muir as main consortium member
Aussies will be good for us if they can get it over the line
No other bidders as far as he’s aware
LdT is a nice guy but is RDs man and is working on his behalf hence the comment re the Aussies having some explaining to do when it’s all over is bollox. All down to RD and his stubbornness
(dont shoot the messenger) he said it’s very close. He even hinted at the dreaded “2 weeks”
Aussies not worried about timing of purchase I.e. they wouldn’t wait til end of season just cos transfer window closed
Everything seems in line with as per @JamesSeed has reported. He now tops my itk list of credibility
How quickly did you realise it was Keith Harris ?
Feeling pretty down at the moment so this has raised my spirits considerably.
Relating the post to Mr F and unsure how to describe who KH is/his place in this process....
Any help gratefully received.
BTW. Should you pick up Michael Buble, PLEASE lock the doors until I can get there....:-)
It's all the Aussies fault
Thanks for info Taxi lad, what will you pick for your last supper in a fortnight ?
Tell mr F he’s a broker for the sale of the club
Interesting that I was guessing Harris was involved and seems he is.
So maybe sticking point is sell on fees. Greedy bastard Roland, you've sold them once but want more.
Of course, Harris will tell it from his point of view so isn't unbiased but if nothing else should be good for another 20 pages.
Seems GM and KH are singing from the same sheet