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The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)

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  • Can't someone just pay Roland £70M in cryptos?
    probably be worth 70p by the time the procrastinating fool gets to cash them in :wink:
  • No one knows Rolands thought process. I reckon we'll wake up one day with the OS saying a sale has been concluded. No rumours etc
  • No one knows Rolands thought process. I reckon we'll wake up one day with the OS saying a sale has been concluded. No rumours etc

    We’ve all had that dream mate, we’ve all had that dream :unamused:
  • edited February 2019

    If I am right in thinking if RD continues to dig is heels in on price, he will continue to lose money, and the team will get weaker as he invests less and less. This means that the club will lose value and realistically he will have to ask for less money later down the line whilst he himself would have spent more money.

    None of it makes sense to me.

    You know that I know that, we all know it, that is why you can only conclude he is doing what he is doing out of spite.
  • JamesSeed said:

    One thing to consider is that the club now refuse to talk to the press about the takeover, saying that they will make any statement through the forum. This is all bollocks as far as I'm concerned, but the local press doesn't have the leverage any more.

    What should concern people is that there is a least one person going to FF meetings as a fans' representative and backing RD, while attacking people who criticise the regime. While that might represent a slither of Charlton supporters' views, there is no one regularly present who represents the other extreme and perhaps there needs to be.

    Can CARD not get a seat at the table? I can see why the club wouldnt want them to, but if City Addicks can get a spot it seems ridiculous CARD can't.
    Joking, right?
    No, if the club were serious about listening to fans theyd be willing to listen to all fans, however the FF is just a box ticking exercise.
    Exactly.
  • No one knows Rolands thought process. I reckon we'll wake up one day with the OS saying a sale has been concluded. No rumours etc

    Don’t tell Henry.
  • If I am right in thinking if RD continues to dig is heels in on price, he will continue to lose money, and the team will get weaker as he invests less and less. This means that the club will lose value and realistically he will have to ask for less money later down the line whilst he himself would have spent more money.

    None of it makes sense to me.

    You know that I know that, we all know it, that is why you can only conclude he is doing what he is doing out of spite.
    NLA, Jimmy Seed, soapboxsam and Redvaliant, anyone else believe Spite and Schadenfreude is mixed up with the money in this cocktail and waffle from the Douchebag ?
  • JamesSeed said:


    No one knows Rolands thought process. I reckon we'll wake up one day with the OS saying a sale has been concluded. No rumours etc

    Don’t tell Henry.
    Been saying the same for three years
  • If I am right in thinking if RD continues to dig is heels in on price, he will continue to lose money, and the team will get weaker as he invests less and less. This means that the club will lose value and realistically he will have to ask for less money later down the line whilst he himself would have spent more money.

    None of it makes sense to me.

    You know that I know that, we all know it, that is why you can only conclude he is doing what he is doing out of spite.
    NLA, Jimmy Seed, soapboxsam and Redvaliant, anyone else believe Spite and Schadenfreude is mixed up with the money in this cocktail and waffle from the Douchebag ?
    Add me to the 'he's a spiteful *!#$' camp.
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  • If I am right in thinking if RD continues to dig is heels in on price, he will continue to lose money, and the team will get weaker as he invests less and less. This means that the club will lose value and realistically he will have to ask for less money later down the line whilst he himself would have spent more money.

    None of it makes sense to me.

    You know that I know that, we all know it, that is why you can only conclude he is doing what he is doing out of spite.
    NLA, Jimmy Seed, soapboxsam and Redvaliant, anyone else believe Spite and Schadenfreude is mixed up with the money in this cocktail and waffle from the Douchebag ?
    Add me to the 'he's a spiteful *!#$' camp.
    And me.
  • JamesSeed said:

    JamesSeed said:

    One thing to consider is that the club now refuse to talk to the press about the takeover, saying that they will make any statement through the forum. This is all bollocks as far as I'm concerned, but the local press doesn't have the leverage any more.

    What should concern people is that there is a least one person going to FF meetings as a fans' representative and backing RD, while attacking people who criticise the regime. While that might represent a slither of Charlton supporters' views, there is no one regularly present who represents the other extreme and perhaps there needs to be.

    Can CARD not get a seat at the table? I can see why the club wouldnt want them to, but if City Addicks can get a spot it seems ridiculous CARD can't.
    Joking, right?
    No, if the club were serious about listening to fans theyd be willing to listen to all fans, however the FF is just a box ticking exercise.
    Exactly.
    No, it's not.

    It is far from perfect and not used as well as it should by the club but it's one of the few places fans can directly question the regime and speak truth to power.

    The very reluctant denial, under pressure, from LDT about the £70m rebuff, was one example of this.
    Yet we've been told there's proof the denial was a bare-faced lie.

    If the club is willing to sit there and lie to fans giving up their free time to attend, you have to wonder how seriously they are taking it.
  • no one has shown me proof
  • razil said:

    no one has shown me proof

    Nor have I, which is why I said "we've been told" you'd have to ask @Airman Brown
  • JamesSeed said:

    JamesSeed said:

    One thing to consider is that the club now refuse to talk to the press about the takeover, saying that they will make any statement through the forum. This is all bollocks as far as I'm concerned, but the local press doesn't have the leverage any more.

    What should concern people is that there is a least one person going to FF meetings as a fans' representative and backing RD, while attacking people who criticise the regime. While that might represent a slither of Charlton supporters' views, there is no one regularly present who represents the other extreme and perhaps there needs to be.

    Can CARD not get a seat at the table? I can see why the club wouldnt want them to, but if City Addicks can get a spot it seems ridiculous CARD can't.
    Joking, right?
    No, if the club were serious about listening to fans theyd be willing to listen to all fans, however the FF is just a box ticking exercise.
    Exactly.
    No, it's not.

    It is far from perfect and not used as well as it should by the club but it's one of the few places fans can directly question the regime and speak truth to power.

    The very reluctant denial, under pressure, from LDT about the £70m rebuff, was one example of this.
    I’m just bitter because I’m not allowed to go.
    At least when the BBBC Addicks takes off I’ll have a representative there.
  • JamesSeed said:

    JamesSeed said:

    JamesSeed said:

    One thing to consider is that the club now refuse to talk to the press about the takeover, saying that they will make any statement through the forum. This is all bollocks as far as I'm concerned, but the local press doesn't have the leverage any more.

    What should concern people is that there is a least one person going to FF meetings as a fans' representative and backing RD, while attacking people who criticise the regime. While that might represent a slither of Charlton supporters' views, there is no one regularly present who represents the other extreme and perhaps there needs to be.

    Can CARD not get a seat at the table? I can see why the club wouldnt want them to, but if City Addicks can get a spot it seems ridiculous CARD can't.
    Joking, right?
    No, if the club were serious about listening to fans theyd be willing to listen to all fans, however the FF is just a box ticking exercise.
    Exactly.
    No, it's not.

    It is far from perfect and not used as well as it should by the club but it's one of the few places fans can directly question the regime and speak truth to power.

    The very reluctant denial, under pressure, from LDT about the £70m rebuff, was one example of this.
    I’m just bitter because I’m not allowed to go.
    At least when the BBBC Addicks takes off I’ll have a representative there.
    For a small fee you can represent ChinaAddicks.

  • JamesSeed said:

    JamesSeed said:

    One thing to consider is that the club now refuse to talk to the press about the takeover, saying that they will make any statement through the forum. This is all bollocks as far as I'm concerned, but the local press doesn't have the leverage any more.

    What should concern people is that there is a least one person going to FF meetings as a fans' representative and backing RD, while attacking people who criticise the regime. While that might represent a slither of Charlton supporters' views, there is no one regularly present who represents the other extreme and perhaps there needs to be.

    Can CARD not get a seat at the table? I can see why the club wouldnt want them to, but if City Addicks can get a spot it seems ridiculous CARD can't.
    Joking, right?
    No, if the club were serious about listening to fans theyd be willing to listen to all fans, however the FF is just a box ticking exercise.
    Exactly.
    No, it's not.

    It is far from perfect and not used as well as it should by the club but it's one of the few places fans can directly question the regime and speak truth to power.

    The very reluctant denial, under pressure, from LDT about the £70m rebuff, was one example of this.
    Yet we've been told there's proof the denial was a bare-faced lie.

    If the club is willing to sit there and lie to fans giving up their free time to attend, you have to wonder how seriously they are taking it.
    I’ve never claimed to have “proof”, just as I never had “proof” of Muir’s involvement with the Aussies, until he turned up nine months later at The Valley. I do have the word of someone I trust on it, which is good enough for me.

    What I did say, for LDT’s benefit, was that proof might emerge. The whole point of that was to corner him on it at the FF, where people could make their own judgement. The lie - omitted from the record of the meeting because it is a lie - is the result.
    Omitted from the regime's record but not the record on CL
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  • JamesSeed said:

    JamesSeed said:

    One thing to consider is that the club now refuse to talk to the press about the takeover, saying that they will make any statement through the forum. This is all bollocks as far as I'm concerned, but the local press doesn't have the leverage any more.

    What should concern people is that there is a least one person going to FF meetings as a fans' representative and backing RD, while attacking people who criticise the regime. While that might represent a slither of Charlton supporters' views, there is no one regularly present who represents the other extreme and perhaps there needs to be.

    Can CARD not get a seat at the table? I can see why the club wouldnt want them to, but if City Addicks can get a spot it seems ridiculous CARD can't.
    Joking, right?
    No, if the club were serious about listening to fans theyd be willing to listen to all fans, however the FF is just a box ticking exercise.
    Exactly.
    No, it's not.

    It is far from perfect and not used as well as it should by the club but it's one of the few places fans can directly question the regime and speak truth to power.

    The very reluctant denial, under pressure, from LDT about the £70m rebuff, was one example of this.
    Yet we've been told there's proof the denial was a bare-faced lie.

    If the club is willing to sit there and lie to fans giving up their free time to attend, you have to wonder how seriously they are taking it.
    Exactly, the denial was a lie and that was the point of pushing him

    Again, we seem to be in the realm of if something isn't 100% effective it is 0% effective.

    The Fans forum isn't the problem, it's the regime.
    We knd of agree then, I think the FF used to be a great idea, pre~RD, but when theregime clearly hold fans in contempt and are willing to blatently lie to them, I think its hard to argue they are attending for any other reason than ticking a box.

    That is 100% the fault of the ownership.

  • JamesSeed said:

    JamesSeed said:

    One thing to consider is that the club now refuse to talk to the press about the takeover, saying that they will make any statement through the forum. This is all bollocks as far as I'm concerned, but the local press doesn't have the leverage any more.

    What should concern people is that there is a least one person going to FF meetings as a fans' representative and backing RD, while attacking people who criticise the regime. While that might represent a slither of Charlton supporters' views, there is no one regularly present who represents the other extreme and perhaps there needs to be.

    Can CARD not get a seat at the table? I can see why the club wouldnt want them to, but if City Addicks can get a spot it seems ridiculous CARD can't.
    Joking, right?
    No, if the club were serious about listening to fans theyd be willing to listen to all fans, however the FF is just a box ticking exercise.
    Exactly.
    No, it's not.

    It is far from perfect and not used as well as it should by the club but it's one of the few places fans can directly question the regime and speak truth to power.

    The very reluctant denial, under pressure, from LDT about the £70m rebuff, was one example of this.
    Yet we've been told there's proof the denial was a bare-faced lie.

    If the club is willing to sit there and lie to fans giving up their free time to attend, you have to wonder how seriously they are taking it.
    I’ve never claimed to have “proof”, just as I never had “proof” of Muir’s involvement with the Aussies, until he turned up nine months later at The Valley. I do have the word of someone I trust on it, which is good enough for me.

    What I did say, for LDT’s benefit, was that proof might emerge. The whole point of that was to corner him on it at the FF, where people could make their own judgement. The lie - omitted from the record of the meeting because it is a lie - is the result.
    Fair enough, I'd taken this post:

    razil said:

    He can simply deny anything we put to him unless we have evidence

    If he’s the honest guy that some believe him to be then he won’t be comfortable lying. And he might want to consider what evidence may emerge to expose him if he does.
    To mean that you'd seen proof that it had happened, so now we can't be sure the price jacking even happened.

    Nothing involnving CAFC is straight forward anymore :(
  • JamesSeed said:

    JamesSeed said:

    One thing to consider is that the club now refuse to talk to the press about the takeover, saying that they will make any statement through the forum. This is all bollocks as far as I'm concerned, but the local press doesn't have the leverage any more.

    What should concern people is that there is a least one person going to FF meetings as a fans' representative and backing RD, while attacking people who criticise the regime. While that might represent a slither of Charlton supporters' views, there is no one regularly present who represents the other extreme and perhaps there needs to be.

    Can CARD not get a seat at the table? I can see why the club wouldnt want them to, but if City Addicks can get a spot it seems ridiculous CARD can't.
    Joking, right?
    No, if the club were serious about listening to fans theyd be willing to listen to all fans, however the FF is just a box ticking exercise.
    Exactly.
    No, it's not.

    It is far from perfect and not used as well as it should by the club but it's one of the few places fans can directly question the regime and speak truth to power.

    The very reluctant denial, under pressure, from LDT about the £70m rebuff, was one example of this.
    Yet we've been told there's proof the denial was a bare-faced lie.

    If the club is willing to sit there and lie to fans giving up their free time to attend, you have to wonder how seriously they are taking it.
    Exactly, the denial was a lie and that was the point of pushing him

    Again, we seem to be in the realm of if something isn't 100% effective it is 0% effective.

    The Fans forum isn't the problem, it's the regime.
    We knd of agree then, I think the FF used to be a great idea, pre~RD, but when theregime clearly hold fans in contempt and are willing to blatently lie to them, I think its hard to argue they are attending for any other reason than ticking a box.

    That is 100% the fault of the ownership.
    It's not just that thought is it. They're clearly using it as a vehicle to try and get others to make a move and failing miserably like they always do.

    Why doesn't everyone just put their cards on the table and explain to people exactly what the bloody hell is going on. Not difficult is it?

    We are talking about the right to buy a THIRD tier English football club.

    It's hardly Vodafone and Mannesmann!
  • JamesSeed said:

    JamesSeed said:

    One thing to consider is that the club now refuse to talk to the press about the takeover, saying that they will make any statement through the forum. This is all bollocks as far as I'm concerned, but the local press doesn't have the leverage any more.

    What should concern people is that there is a least one person going to FF meetings as a fans' representative and backing RD, while attacking people who criticise the regime. While that might represent a slither of Charlton supporters' views, there is no one regularly present who represents the other extreme and perhaps there needs to be.

    Can CARD not get a seat at the table? I can see why the club wouldnt want them to, but if City Addicks can get a spot it seems ridiculous CARD can't.
    Joking, right?
    No, if the club were serious about listening to fans theyd be willing to listen to all fans, however the FF is just a box ticking exercise.
    Exactly.
    No, it's not.

    It is far from perfect and not used as well as it should by the club but it's one of the few places fans can directly question the regime and speak truth to power.

    The very reluctant denial, under pressure, from LDT about the £70m rebuff, was one example of this.
    Yet we've been told there's proof the denial was a bare-faced lie.

    If the club is willing to sit there and lie to fans giving up their free time to attend, you have to wonder how seriously they are taking it.
    Exactly, the denial was a lie and that was the point of pushing him

    Again, we seem to be in the realm of if something isn't 100% effective it is 0% effective.

    The Fans forum isn't the problem, it's the regime.
    We knd of agree then, I think the FF used to be a great idea, pre~RD, but when theregime clearly hold fans in contempt and are willing to blatently lie to them, I think its hard to argue they are attending for any other reason than ticking a box.

    That is 100% the fault of the ownership.
    It's not just that thought is it. They're clearly using it as a vehicle to try and get others to make a move and failing miserably like they always do.

    Why doesn't everyone just put their cards on the table and explain to people exactly what the bloody hell is going on. Not difficult is it?

    We are talking about the right to buy a THIRD tier English football club.

    It's hardly Vodafone and Mannesmann!
    So you want RD to say -

    "I still haven't got a credible buyer with available funds that are willing to invest and no other party are in position or willing to buy at the price I have set ? "

    You want the Aussies to say -

    "After 2 years of trying to raise the funds, we still haven't managed it and are trying to reduce the agreed price". :smile:
  • edited February 2019
    I know some fans look at this thread with anticipation, some just hope, some frustration and some boredom, but I think it is now plain that we are stuck with RD for the foreseeable future. Obviously the Aussies overstretched themselves when agreeing to the ludicrous figure RD asked for. Other potential buyers are put off by the figure the Aussies have agreed to. It would appear that the Aussies will have to admit they have not got the money and try to renegotiate with RD who will try not to lower his demands. I cannot see anything changing before the end of the season and NO I am not ITK, just reasoning it out that to take this long there is no other alternatives. Please someone ITK prove me wrong
  • Thing is @nth london addick you say he’s the cold hearted bastard that made him a billionaire. Cold hearted billionaire bastards don’t fund anything that costs them millions for no return. You can’t have it both ways ?

    We don’t know how much this is costing him in real terms

    I get pleasure from sponsoring a boxer but one of the good things is that sponsorship shows before I pay tax and is a cost to the business , It doesn’t equate to the same amount of corporation tax that I pay but it does come off that figure before I pay it

    I may be well wrong as I am trying to second guess a loonie but what if he would be paying tax to the equivalent of what he is funding cafc

    He is no worse off and he is getting his own back
    I’m afraid the evil genius line doesn’t cut it with me because so many of the things he has done and said are so obviously stupid. If he wanted to punish people - presumably including the “super guy” Murray, or is he enjoying his own humiliation? - he could do a much better job and spend a lot less money in the process.

    I’m not a tax expert but while you can use losses to reduce your tax liability I doubt if it’s that easy to wipe them out. He’s wasted tens of millions and that is what he is trying to get back.

    Again you don’t employ one of the country’s leading law firms in order not to sell the club, neither are Jim White or others as gullible as you imagine to fit your version.

    Also he’s 72. He has no political ambition or opportunity left and he was resoundingly thrashed when he tried that route. I do think he knows that.

    The bloke can barely construct a coherent sentence and even allowing for English not being his first language his attempt to explain the situation on talkSPORT was meandering nonsense, as nearly everybody recognised.
    You continue to mention the country’s top law firm but have you any hard evidence of how much money has been spent and on what, if anything they have been tasked to do?
    And I’m not talking about hearsay from a friend of a friend.

    As far as I can see potential suitors have only really scratched the surface despite what the Belgian and his representatives say. That wouldn’t incur much in costs from any law firm. I understand they may have been consulted when the initial decision was made to sell but I’m guessing a bulk of internal law matters could have been done by his own people.
    The idea that mishcon de reya's top brass are working around the clock to get this over the line are clearly unfounded.
    You're last paragraph sums it up for me. It is sitting in deadlock with no one working on it or progressing the takeover by the Aussies. It doesn't take that long, the process has stopped, it is dead. But because they were significantly the highest bidders Roland is hanging on for them while not entertaining any lesser possibly.
  • I think it has taken a while, but we have managed to work out that the scumbag wont sell unless he drops the price significantly. It all seems a bit pointless expending any hope anymore.
  • JamesSeed said:

    JamesSeed said:

    JamesSeed said:

    One thing to consider is that the club now refuse to talk to the press about the takeover, saying that they will make any statement through the forum. This is all bollocks as far as I'm concerned, but the local press doesn't have the leverage any more.

    What should concern people is that there is a least one person going to FF meetings as a fans' representative and backing RD, while attacking people who criticise the regime. While that might represent a slither of Charlton supporters' views, there is no one regularly present who represents the other extreme and perhaps there needs to be.

    Can CARD not get a seat at the table? I can see why the club wouldnt want them to, but if City Addicks can get a spot it seems ridiculous CARD can't.
    Joking, right?
    No, if the club were serious about listening to fans theyd be willing to listen to all fans, however the FF is just a box ticking exercise.
    Exactly.
    No, it's not.

    It is far from perfect and not used as well as it should by the club but it's one of the few places fans can directly question the regime and speak truth to power.

    The very reluctant denial, under pressure, from LDT about the £70m rebuff, was one example of this.
    I’m just bitter because I’m not allowed to go.
    At least when the BBBC Addicks takes off I’ll have a representative there.
    For a small fee you can represent ChinaAddicks.
    Send me your PayPal deets.
  • JamesSeed said:

    JamesSeed said:

    One thing to consider is that the club now refuse to talk to the press about the takeover, saying that they will make any statement through the forum. This is all bollocks as far as I'm concerned, but the local press doesn't have the leverage any more.

    What should concern people is that there is a least one person going to FF meetings as a fans' representative and backing RD, while attacking people who criticise the regime. While that might represent a slither of Charlton supporters' views, there is no one regularly present who represents the other extreme and perhaps there needs to be.

    Can CARD not get a seat at the table? I can see why the club wouldnt want them to, but if City Addicks can get a spot it seems ridiculous CARD can't.
    Joking, right?
    No, if the club were serious about listening to fans theyd be willing to listen to all fans, however the FF is just a box ticking exercise.
    Exactly.
    No, it's not.

    It is far from perfect and not used as well as it should by the club but it's one of the few places fans can directly question the regime and speak truth to power.

    The very reluctant denial, under pressure, from LDT about the £70m rebuff, was one example of this.
    Yet we've been told there's proof the denial was a bare-faced lie.

    If the club is willing to sit there and lie to fans giving up their free time to attend, you have to wonder how seriously they are taking it.
    Exactly, the denial was a lie and that was the point of pushing him

    Again, we seem to be in the realm of if something isn't 100% effective it is 0% effective.

    The Fans forum isn't the problem, it's the regime.
    We knd of agree then, I think the FF used to be a great idea, pre~RD, but when theregime clearly hold fans in contempt and are willing to blatently lie to them, I think its hard to argue they are attending for any other reason than ticking a box.

    That is 100% the fault of the ownership.
    It's not just that thought is it. They're clearly using it as a vehicle to try and get others to make a move and failing miserably like they always do.

    Why doesn't everyone just put their cards on the table and explain to people exactly what the bloody hell is going on. Not difficult is it?

    We are talking about the right to buy a THIRD tier English football club.

    It's hardly Vodafone and Mannesmann!
    So you want RD to say -

    "I still haven't got a credible buyer with available funds that are willing to invest and no other party are in position or willing to buy at the price I have set ? "

    You want the Aussies to say -

    "After 2 years of trying to raise the funds, we still haven't managed it and are trying to reduce the agreed price". :smile:
    Well if that is indeed what is going on then why not?

    The Aussies will be viewed with a fair amount of trepidation should they ever manage to get this over the line and rightly so. There's no NDA bullshit to worry about. Leven the Turk has mentioned them on numerous occasions.
    I'm not expecting much from Duchatelet. We know what he's about.
    The last thing we need is another group skulking around in the shadows. We've had years and years of that.
  • JamesSeed said:

    JamesSeed said:

    One thing to consider is that the club now refuse to talk to the press about the takeover, saying that they will make any statement through the forum. This is all bollocks as far as I'm concerned, but the local press doesn't have the leverage any more.

    What should concern people is that there is a least one person going to FF meetings as a fans' representative and backing RD, while attacking people who criticise the regime. While that might represent a slither of Charlton supporters' views, there is no one regularly present who represents the other extreme and perhaps there needs to be.

    Can CARD not get a seat at the table? I can see why the club wouldnt want them to, but if City Addicks can get a spot it seems ridiculous CARD can't.
    Joking, right?
    No, if the club were serious about listening to fans theyd be willing to listen to all fans, however the FF is just a box ticking exercise.
    Exactly.
    No, it's not.

    It is far from perfect and not used as well as it should by the club but it's one of the few places fans can directly question the regime and speak truth to power.

    The very reluctant denial, under pressure, from LDT about the £70m rebuff, was one example of this.
    Yet we've been told there's proof the denial was a bare-faced lie.

    If the club is willing to sit there and lie to fans giving up their free time to attend, you have to wonder how seriously they are taking it.
    Exactly, the denial was a lie and that was the point of pushing him

    Again, we seem to be in the realm of if something isn't 100% effective it is 0% effective.

    The Fans forum isn't the problem, it's the regime.
    We knd of agree then, I think the FF used to be a great idea, pre~RD, but when theregime clearly hold fans in contempt and are willing to blatently lie to them, I think its hard to argue they are attending for any other reason than ticking a box.

    That is 100% the fault of the ownership.
    It's not just that thought is it. They're clearly using it as a vehicle to try and get others to make a move and failing miserably like they always do.

    Why doesn't everyone just put their cards on the table and explain to people exactly what the bloody hell is going on. Not difficult is it?

    We are talking about the right to buy a THIRD tier English football club.

    It's hardly Vodafone and Mannesmann!
    So you want RD to say -

    "I still haven't got a credible buyer with available funds that are willing to invest and no other party are in position or willing to buy at the price I have set ? "

    You want the Aussies to say -

    "After 2 years of trying to raise the funds, we still haven't managed it and are trying to reduce the agreed price". :smile:
    Well if that is indeed what is going on then why not?

    The Aussies will be viewed with a fair amount of trepidation should they ever manage to get this over the line and rightly so. There's no NDA bullshit to worry about. Leven the Turk has mentioned them on numerous occasions.
    I'm not expecting much from Duchatelet. We know what he's about.
    The last thing we need is another group skulking around in the shadows. We've had years and years of that.
    Who knows.
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