It's Mark Kleinman of Sky that's reporting the Kenyon and Newcastle link. Isn't he a Charlton fan? Would he know more on our situation?
Yes he is. No he wouldn't.
I think if Mark wanted to he could find out a lot. He either knows and chooses not to say or he can't really be bothered with it all.
Mark Kleinman is a smart, diligent, excellent journalist, who interprets facts, opinions and rumours to provide a balanced and nuanced view of news as it pertains to businesses, corporations and the City. But I think even he would be challenged with the thought of trying to interpret what's going on in Roland's head.
Is there any reason why the interested parties wont go a bit more public? Not by walking around the ground in scarves on match day, but just to release a small statement to say something along the lines of 'we're in the mix and we hope to complete soon'. At least the fans would know there is something going on
The scarves were just an honest expression of their enthusiasm for the project, (days from what they thought was the completion). Muir also wanted to meet Charlton fans and get a sense of the atmosphere. Obviously they won’t do that again until the sale if it happens.
If they released a statement saying ‘we're in the mix and we hope to complete soon' they’d be widely ridiculed, unfortunately.
Damned if they do, damned if they don’t really.
You're very good at putting people into groups mate ain't you. Getting a few people behind you, ridiculing the 'opposition', then playing the victim when you get a bit back.
My question wasn't a dig at anyone in particular, it was just to ask if there was a genuine reason why all the parties, with RD's say so, can't each put out small official statements** just to say they are involved, no more than that.
** Official Statement - Via their legal teams and not by walking round the ground with scarves on. Which also goes for any other buyer who might do it prematurely, in the future.
What an extraordinary statement, particularly from a mod. How can you possibly extrapolate that from my comment above.
Firstly I didn’t say you were having a dig at all.
There have been comments above about the aggressive tone of some posts, and it’s worth bearing in mind that plain text can be read in different ways by different people depending on their mindset. But your post aimed at me can only be seen as aggressive mate.
Where have I put people into groups, and what groups are you referring to? Where have I ridiculed anybody? I was just giving my view of the scarf wearing, as have many others, but I don’t see you jumping down their throats.
One of the great things about CL is the way people use humour to diffuse situations. Perhaps you’ve misconstrued my attempts at humour as something else, I really don’t know. For example I said recently something like ‘does that get me off (or on?) the scapegoat list’. It was an attempt at humour, not trying to portray myself as a victim.
Of course people have a pop at each other here, but I don’t want to get involved.
I’m more than happy to get involved in an honest debate without malice, however.
Assistant to the Mods, maybe
Be careful, he flagged me for pointing out that mistake.
Not true, it was for saying I was ‘slow’. Your post didn’t mention the fact that ibborg isn’t a mod.
I didn't say there was a link to us, just that he if he's aware of what's going on with Newcastle, might he know more about Charlton but @Chizz says not.
I thought you were referring to Charlton's takeover. I am sure Mark Kleinman knows a lot about what's going on at Newcastle, particularly with regards to Mike Ashley and Debenhams. I just don't think he would know a lot about what our idiotic owner is up to. And I only think that because, when I asked him if he knew what was going on, his reply was pretty clear: "I wish I did".
I didn't say there was a link to us, just that he if he's aware of what's going on with Newcastle, might he know more about Charlton but @Chizz says not.
Yes, realised that. Badly worded by me.
Mark would be better placed to know something.
Then again I know @garfield and know he also has/had links within the football industry
If I were Roland, which thankfully I'm not, I'd probably string these Aussies along until the Newcastle sale went through and then sell up to Mike Ashley just to spite the Charlton fans.
I keep coming back to what LDT said when I asked him about "Is the price the same for all the parties?"
He said it wasn't and depended on the structure of the deal.
So the offers on the table are different? (if we believe LDT and RD which I don't but for the sake of argument and to get the page count up let's do so for now).
Maybe greedy Roland gets more from the Aussies that the others and so favours them for that reason even if they haven't yet put their money down.
I keep coming back to what LDT said when I asked him about "Is the price the same for all the parties?"
He said it wasn't and depended on the structure of the deal.
So the offers on the table are different? (if we believe LDT and RD which I don't but for the sake of argument and to get the page count up let's do so for now).
Maybe greedy Roland gets more from the Aussies that the others and so favours them for that reason even if they haven't yet put their money down.
If it's anything like player sales (i.e Konsa last year) we all know RD prefers cash upfront. Maybe one bid is less but he gets guaranteed money upfront and one bid is more but structured on theoretical achievements and/or scenarios.
I keep coming back to what LDT said when I asked him about "Is the price the same for all the parties?"
He said it wasn't and depended on the structure of the deal.
So the offers on the table are different? (if we believe LDT and RD which I don't but for the sake of argument and to get the page count up let's do so for now).
Maybe greedy Roland gets more from the Aussies that the others and so favours them for that reason even if they haven't yet put their money down.
From experience this is standard practice. When I sold my business there were three offers on the table. Offer 1: 100% payment and I walk away. Offer 2: 50% up front, 50% based on performance for a designated period after the deal. Offer 3: Part payment in cash and the balance made up of shares in the company purchasing us.
The group that purchased us bought another four companies from the same sector as ours making it five in total. I have since found out that out of the five companies purchased all five deals were different and no two were the same.
I can't reveal who but I have been told by someone I know who is well known to MA, our little club is a very attractive proposition, forget the size of our fan base or ground etc....... there's huge money to be made selling it on as a premiership club, we'd sell out each match such is the international interest now of the Premiership brand and our links to airports and motorways make it easier to attend games + of course the TV money, just do the maths. Whislt he is the the owner of another club he can not make a move.
This Mike Ashley rumor has no foundation right? Is it purely based on the fact he is British man looking to sell one club?
He has seen how we have been with RD and Newcastle fans have give him some shit over his tenure so why would he bother with fans who take it either? Not saying we are problem because we have been wronged! But from his perspective are we worth the hassle?
We have NO idea who the brits are do we? All we have been told is that they are about but no clue who is involved.
Please tell me if I am wrong of course.
Ashley must be fully aware that his name is at the very least being strongly touted as a ‘possible’ future owner. One would have thought he would have come out and denied it by now were it not the case. That’s not to say I believe the rumour, one way or the other.
Would he? He's only being touted on a football forum.
Maybe Jim White could ask him? Answer may or may not be definitive
Personally, I don’t really care one jot who buys the club or what their intentions are with it. I just hope they don’t announce it on the official site :-)
I can't reveal who but I have been told by someone I know who is well known to MA, our little club is a very attractive proposition, forget the size of our fan base or ground etc....... there's huge money to be made selling it on as a premiership club, we'd sell out each match such is the international interest now of the Premiership brand and our links to airports and motorways make it easier to attend games + of course the TV money, just do the maths. Whislt he is the the owner of another club he can not make a move.
Same is true of Southend, Crawley, Luton, Uxbridge Town...
Wasn’t Duchâtelet taking lower bids for players for cash? Entirely possible he’ll take X for the club, but a lower price with future add ons for promotion etc. He clearly has never been in a hurry to sell. He probably enjoys making the Aussies and the Brits squirm.
Personally, I don’t really care one jot who buys the club or what their intentions are with it. I just hope they don’t announce it on the official site :-)
Personally, I don’t really care one jot who buys the club or what their intentions are with it. I just hope they don’t announce it on the official site :-)
and me
Don't worry, they won't be announcing you on the official site.
Personally, I don’t really care one jot who buys the club or what their intentions are with it. I just hope they don’t announce it on the official site :-)
Personally, I don’t really care one jot who buys the club or what their intentions are with it. I just hope they don’t announce it on the official site :-)
and me
Don't worry, they won't be announcing you on the official site.
Personally, I don’t really care one jot who buys the club or what their intentions are with it. I just hope they don’t announce it on the official site :-)
and me
Don't worry, they won't be announcing you on the official site.
Well, I've been asked to announce it on the pitch actually. When you see Kim Jong Un strolling onto the pitch before a home game and there's an exceptionally handsome man walking alongside him with a microphone, you'll know what's happening. I was going to post it on here first and although AFKA is good man, I'm not sure some of you deserve it.
Is there any reason why the interested parties wont go a bit more public? Not by walking around the ground in scarves on match day, but just to release a small statement to say something along the lines of 'we're in the mix and we hope to complete soon'. At least the fans would know there is something going on
The scarves were just an honest expression of their enthusiasm for the project, (days from what they thought was the completion). Muir also wanted to meet Charlton fans and get a sense of the atmosphere. Obviously they won’t do that again until the sale if it happens.
If they released a statement saying ‘we're in the mix and we hope to complete soon' they’d be widely ridiculed, unfortunately.
Damned if they do, damned if they don’t really.
You're very good at putting people into groups mate ain't you. Getting a few people behind you, ridiculing the 'opposition', then playing the victim when you get a bit back.
My question wasn't a dig at anyone in particular, it was just to ask if there was a genuine reason why all the parties, with RD's say so, can't each put out small official statements** just to say they are involved, no more than that.
** Official Statement - Via their legal teams and not by walking round the ground with scarves on. Which also goes for any other buyer who might do it prematurely, in the future.
What an extraordinary statement, particularly from a mod. How can you possibly extrapolate that from my comment above.
Firstly I didn’t say you were having a dig at all.
There have been comments above about the aggressive tone of some posts, and it’s worth bearing in mind that plain text can be read in different ways by different people depending on their mindset. But your post aimed at me can only be seen as aggressive mate.
Where have I put people into groups, and what groups are you referring to? Where have I ridiculed anybody? I was just giving my view of the scarf wearing, as have many others, but I don’t see you jumping down their throats.
One of the great things about CL is the way people use humour to diffuse situations. Perhaps you’ve misconstrued my attempts at humour as something else, I really don’t know. For example I said recently something like ‘does that get me off (or on?) the scapegoat list’. It was an attempt at humour, not trying to portray myself as a victim.
Of course people have a pop at each other here, but I don’t want to get involved.
I’m more than happy to get involved in an honest debate without malice, however.
Assistant to the Mods, maybe
Be careful, he flagged me for pointing out that mistake.
I don’t think that was for pointing out but for the Snide way in which you did it to be fair
As the Fans Forum found out the bids are different this is my purely hypothetical guesswork/theory:
Bid one is smaller but 100% cash upfront.
Bid two is huge, say £70M but based on a performance related bonus and despite being a man of true honour, RD is worried about the integrity of the people offering performance related bonuses and whether they would pay them at the end of the year, I don’t know but if,say, the company has made a loss.
Is there any reason why the interested parties wont go a bit more public? Not by walking around the ground in scarves on match day, but just to release a small statement to say something along the lines of 'we're in the mix and we hope to complete soon'. At least the fans would know there is something going on
The scarves were just an honest expression of their enthusiasm for the project, (days from what they thought was the completion). Muir also wanted to meet Charlton fans and get a sense of the atmosphere. Obviously they won’t do that again until the sale if it happens.
If they released a statement saying ‘we're in the mix and we hope to complete soon' they’d be widely ridiculed, unfortunately.
Damned if they do, damned if they don’t really.
You're very good at putting people into groups mate ain't you. Getting a few people behind you, ridiculing the 'opposition', then playing the victim when you get a bit back.
My question wasn't a dig at anyone in particular, it was just to ask if there was a genuine reason why all the parties, with RD's say so, can't each put out small official statements** just to say they are involved, no more than that.
** Official Statement - Via their legal teams and not by walking round the ground with scarves on. Which also goes for any other buyer who might do it prematurely, in the future.
What an extraordinary statement, particularly from a mod. How can you possibly extrapolate that from my comment above.
Firstly I didn’t say you were having a dig at all.
There have been comments above about the aggressive tone of some posts, and it’s worth bearing in mind that plain text can be read in different ways by different people depending on their mindset. But your post aimed at me can only be seen as aggressive mate.
Where have I put people into groups, and what groups are you referring to? Where have I ridiculed anybody? I was just giving my view of the scarf wearing, as have many others, but I don’t see you jumping down their throats.
One of the great things about CL is the way people use humour to diffuse situations. Perhaps you’ve misconstrued my attempts at humour as something else, I really don’t know. For example I said recently something like ‘does that get me off (or on?) the scapegoat list’. It was an attempt at humour, not trying to portray myself as a victim.
Of course people have a pop at each other here, but I don’t want to get involved.
I’m more than happy to get involved in an honest debate without malice, however.
Assistant to the Mods, maybe
Alright mate, don't rub it in, I do have feelings ya naa
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Mark would be better placed to know something.
Then again I know @garfield and know he also has/had links within the football industry
He said it wasn't and depended on the structure of the deal.
So the offers on the table are different? (if we believe LDT and RD which I don't but for the sake of argument and to get the page count up let's do so for now).
Maybe greedy Roland gets more from the Aussies that the others and so favours them for that reason even if they haven't yet put their money down.
The group that purchased us bought another four companies from the same sector as ours making it five in total. I have since found out that out of the five companies purchased all five deals were different and no two were the same.
Entirely possible he’ll take X for the club, but a lower price with future add ons for promotion etc.
He clearly has never been in a hurry to sell. He probably enjoys making the Aussies and the Brits squirm.
[Edit: As I see others have said]
Perfect ! :-)
Bid one is smaller but 100% cash upfront.
Bid two is huge, say £70M but based on a performance related bonus and despite being a man of true honour, RD is worried about the integrity of the people offering performance related bonuses and whether they would pay them at the end of the year, I don’t know but if,say, the company has made a loss.