I think the old Aussie package was shite but the new one with the new investment is probably a lot better and more likely in its current form , according to all the noises more likely to get over the line (not first but seems to have changed a bit ) which means there’s probably a lot more bunce and football know how involved with the deal , this has to be good for us long term and maybe could be the better solution of the two
The British one has me thinking and I can’t remember who said it but they are just as culpable as the old Aussie bid if they’ve been around for just as long why haven’t they completed are they just dicking around as well so many questions still unanswered on what is today the third time we have supposed to have had news
I think the old Aussie package was shite but the new one with the new investment is probably a lot better and more likely in its current form , according to all the noises more likely to get over the line (not first but seems to have changed a bit ) which means there’s probably a lot more bunce and football know how involved with the deal , this has to be good for us long term and maybe could be the better solution of the two
The British one has me thinking and I can’t remember who said it but they are just as culpable as the old Aussie bid if they’ve been around for just as long why haven’t they completed are they just dicking around as well so many questions still unanswered on what is today the third time we have supposed to have had news
Roland.
I don’t agree there had to be more to it
The old Aussie deal was not funded correctly (has no money) trust me I know that and it’s been proven because they never completed so it’s old hat
The new one we are led to believe has the money ( I believe that ) hence its now moving along again
The British one has to have had its own complex’s and complications it has to have had otherwise it would’ve completed in the time it took the aussies to get their shit together
Rolands a cnut we all know it we all know there’s blame to be attributed there
I don’t believe for 1 min and never did that the amount he wants is 50 mil
I was in a room where RM and others were when someone who was serious about bringing a consortium to the table and the number 50 mil was mentioned and all laughed to a man so it was not a serious figure but a conversation starting point
I reckon that all parties have agreed a fee between 30-40 mil
But he wants to sell and the price HAS been Agreed with both parties and had been agreed last year I don’t doubt that at all
So it’s not price and it’s not to be squared solely at the door of RD with any certainty so imo
Both bids have lacked something and had their own issues
Hopefully these are now nearly resolved and something can happen soon
That all makes a lot of sense. I've always felt that the delays in the takeover process have been from both sides, especially with the complete silence from the Aussie side. If it had been Roland moving the goalposts or changing the price, I believe they would have said something (whether a statement or an off the record comment to the media) or even pulled out, after all we're not the only club up for sale and they could easily find another target if the issue was the price.
Thought it was really vital to get this done in time to do business in the transfer window, but Bowyer and Gallen have done so well, I don't think it matters as much as I did.
By the summer, a large number of our prized players are out of contract.
I’d say it’s vitally important that takeover is complete this transfer window. Then it gives new owners between now and end of season to discuss and offer new contracts to those players.
With Roland in charge to the end of season, none of these players will be offered new contracts and high chance we will lose them.
Thought it was really vital to get this done in time to do business in the transfer window, but Bowyer and Gallen have done so well, I don't think it matters as much as I did.
By the summer, a large number of our prized players are out of contract.
I’d say it’s vitally important that takeover is complete this transfer window. Then it gives new owners between now and end of season to discuss and offer new contracts to those players.
With Roland in charge to the end of season, none of these players will be offered new contracts and high chance we will lose them.
This. The takeover even of it goes quickly will happen too late to have much of an impact on thos window. But every other club will begin their planning for next season on Feb 1st. Now I know Bow and Gallen will be doing this but it would be much better to be doing it from a position with new owners willing to get our best players tied to long term contracts and start talking to realistic targets for PERMANENT signings for the summer.
Thought it was really vital to get this done in time to do business in the transfer window, but Bowyer and Gallen have done so well, I don't think it matters as much as I did.
By the summer, a large number of our prized players are out of contract.
I’d say it’s vitally important that takeover is complete this transfer window. Then it gives new owners between now and end of season to discuss and offer new contracts to those players.
With Roland in charge to the end of season, none of these players will be offered new contracts and high chance we will lose them.
This. The takeover even of it goes quickly will happen too late to have much of an impact on thos window. But every other club will begin their planning for next season on Feb 1st. Now I know Bow and Gallen will be doing this but it would be much better to be doing it from a position with new owners willing to get our best players tied to long term contracts and start talking to realistic targets for PERMANENT signings for the summer.
To what extent do you think Lee Bowyer - whose contract expires in June - will be spending time on planning next season, this season?
Thought it was really vital to get this done in time to do business in the transfer window, but Bowyer and Gallen have done so well, I don't think it matters as much as I did.
By the summer, a large number of our prized players are out of contract.
I’d say it’s vitally important that takeover is complete this transfer window. Then it gives new owners between now and end of season to discuss and offer new contracts to those players.
With Roland in charge to the end of season, none of these players will be offered new contracts and high chance we will lose them.
This. The takeover even of it goes quickly will happen too late to have much of an impact on thos window. But every other club will begin their planning for next season on Feb 1st. Now I know Bow and Gallen will be doing this but it would be much better to be doing it from a position with new owners willing to get our best players tied to long term contracts and start talking to realistic targets for PERMANENT signings for the summer.
To what extent do you think Lee Bowyer - whose contract expires in June - will be spending time on planning next season, this season?
Precisely even more reason to get the takeover done. We need certainty at Every level. Every other club will be planning for next season already. We will be starting on the back foot if we don't.
Thought it was really vital to get this done in time to do business in the transfer window, but Bowyer and Gallen have done so well, I don't think it matters as much as I did.
Woah, steady on. It's been a decent window so far but new owners with new money could look to bring in 2 or 3 serious game changers that could make all the difference between the automatics and the lottery of a play off place.
Agreed. Just can't see the takeover happening in time. Hope I'm wrong, especially as I've gone for Jan 17th on the sale date prediction thread.
The saga of the sale of Charlton is just plain old brinkmanship. The Flemish pensioner who appears to want an auction with the Aussies, who are unwilling or unable to get the deal over the line, the British group who are playing the long game and a broker who wants some action for their cut, plus a radio TV journalist who wants to come across as your uncle Jim at the birth of a new cousin.
Problem for the split Cafc fan base, is all that happens is inertia. Nothing happens, after you, no after you, I insist you make an offer first. Roland who thought of a number and doubled it is the ultimate wind up. Can't live with us, yet can't seem to say good bye.
No way is any potential deal solely cash up front. I am certain there will be clauses dependent on promotion this season which is why we are currently signing not selling.
So if it doesn't complete in this window (probable), we'll have to wait till May and then we'll be back to this time last year.
No way is any potential deal solely cash up front. I am certain there will be clauses dependent on promotion this season which is why we are currently signing not selling.
So if it doesn't complete in this window (probable), we'll have to wait till May and then we'll be back to this time last year.
Thought it was really vital to get this done in time to do business in the transfer window, but Bowyer and Gallen have done so well, I don't think it matters as much as I did.
It matters more in terms of retaining players. Now and ahead of the summer.
This to me is the more worrying aspect of the continuing delay. The fact that so many players are out of contract & will be being tapped up from now until the summer. The longer we go on being in limbo the more players are likely to think "fuck this" & look elsewhere. Whoever it is that wants to buy us needs to get moving otherwise they will have a very big rebuilding plan come June.
No way is any potential deal solely cash up front. I am certain there will be clauses dependent on promotion this season which is why we are currently signing not selling.
So if it doesn't complete in this window (probable), we'll have to wait till May and then we'll be back to this time last year.
Let's go round again one more time.
Love the AWB reference.
'Pick up the pieces' might be more apposite for the new owners.
Is there any reason why the interested parties wont go a bit more public? Not by walking around the ground in scarves on match day, but just to release a small statement to say something along the lines of 'we're in the mix and we hope to complete soon'. At least the fans would know there is something going on
The scarves were just an honest expression of their enthusiasm for the project, (days from what they thought was the completion). Muir also wanted to meet Charlton fans and get a sense of the atmosphere. Obviously they won’t do that again until the sale if it happens.
If they released a statement saying ‘we're in the mix and we hope to complete soon' they’d be widely ridiculed, unfortunately.
Damned if they do, damned if they don’t really.
You're very good at putting people into groups mate ain't you. Getting a few people behind you, ridiculing the 'opposition', then playing the victim when you get a bit back.
My question wasn't a dig at anyone in particular, it was just to ask if there was a genuine reason why all the parties, with RD's say so, can't each put out small official statements** just to say they are involved, no more than that.
** Official Statement - Via their legal teams and not by walking round the ground with scarves on. Which also goes for any other buyer who might do it prematurely, in the future.
What an extraordinary statement, particularly from a mod. How can you possibly extrapolate that from my comment above.
Firstly I didn’t say you were having a dig at all.
There have been comments above about the aggressive tone of some posts, and it’s worth bearing in mind that plain text can be read in different ways by different people depending on their mindset. But your post aimed at me can only be seen as aggressive mate.
Where have I put people into groups, and what groups are you referring to? Where have I ridiculed anybody? I was just giving my view of the scarf wearing, as have many others, but I don’t see you jumping down their throats.
One of the great things about CL is the way people use humour to diffuse situations. Perhaps you’ve misconstrued my attempts at humour as something else, I really don’t know. For example I said recently something like ‘does that get me off (or on?) the scapegoat list’. It was an attempt at humour, not trying to portray myself as a victim.
Of course people have a pop at each other here, but I don’t want to get involved.
I’m more than happy to get involved in an honest debate without malice, however.
Assistant to the Mods, maybe
Alright mate, don't rub it in, I do have feelings ya naa
Be proud. Some would give their right arm to achieve Interim deputy sub-assistant Mod. It is not a job to be sniffed at. Openings only normally pass from father to son.
At this rate , in 30 years more of Roland’s Charlton Athletic we will be (in Napa’s and Rolys crazy dead mind) valued more than Man Utd
The valuation is only one thing.. what is paid. Conjecture means nothing.
BTW, in 30-years ManU will be worth £40 billion.
That’s a bold prediction, I will bookmark this page. On the 12/01/2049, page 2326548, be prepared for an old man to pull you up on that statement. I myself don’t think a league 4 team will be worth that even taking into 30 years of a plummeting £.
IF the football assets are still here on February 1st: Taylor, Grant and Aribo, plus the new boys dovetail straight away, I wonder if a consortium could/would gamble and pay an inflated price because they feel a third tier club will be a championship club in a prime location come August. Business acumen and football are a strange mix because of wages taking up so much of the expenditure.
I think that whilst the price has been agreed, the Aussies have balked at the day to day costs that have become apparent. The only explanation for them still being in the picture is that Duchatelet has told them that the costs can be brought down and he is showing them. If it was anything else, surely they would have walked away.
The fact that they are still there suggests that if the price was to come down, it might be more attractive for them. They have to have a plan over a decent period and the numbers will have to add up. It isn't just about how much money you have, but how much money you are willing to commit to a project. The longer it goes on, the more money Duchatelet is losing, so if he could engage his business brain over his ego, and find some sanity he seems to have lost, he should surely see that bringing the price down to get the deal done will probably save him money in the long run, and will certainly rid him of what must be an irritation.
If takeover doesn't go through and we don't miraculously get promotion then who will want to be here next season?
Sarr and Pratley
You love a scapegoat......a totally predictable post coming from you. You never miss a chance to diss someone........it’s strange obsession fella?
Really @SoundAsa£? You sure you’re not mixing me up with someone else?
They’re two of very few players still under contract for next season. Pratley’s coming towards the end of his career and Sarr is likely on a good wage given he signed back in 2014.
I think that whilst the price has been agreed, the Aussies have balked at the day to day costs that have become apparent. The only explanation for them still being in the picture is that Duchatelet has told them that the costs can be brought down and he is showing them. If it was anything else, surely they would have walked away.
The fact that they are still there suggests that if the price was to come down, it might be more attractive for them. They have to have a plan over a decent period and the numbers will have to add up. It isn't just about how much money you have, but how much money you are willing to commit to a project. The longer it goes on, the more money Duchatelet is losing, so if he could engage his business brain over his ego, and find some sanity he seems to have lost, he should surely see that bringing the price down to get the deal done will probably save him money in the long run, and will certainly rid him of what must be an irritation.
Instead of publishing a book of the entire takeover thread, I vote we publish a book of @MuttleyCAFC ‘s contributions. Always wrestling with the relevant issues, rarely angry, never too far from the mark. Vote Muttley!
What doesn't make any sense is that there is a British bid that hasn't done anything. You can explain one party holding off, but not two. I think they may be a bit of dodgy play by Duchatelet to reel the Aussies in. The Aussies clearly want to do it and have decided on Charlton, but they need to have the money to fund what they want to do. I think that is a positive in relation to them. You have to cost your plan and the numbers have to add up. It isn't about your personal wealth.
In terms of players being out of contract, I don't think that is a big issue in football today. There will be players from other teams who are out of contract who may be better. The implication is cost though as bringing players in on a free costs money!
What doesn't make any sense is that there is a British bid that hasn't done anything. You can explain one party holding off, but not two.
There is 100% a 'British' bid for the Club, which has been accepted by Duchatalet.
I have no idea why they haven't advanced it to completion, hence the speculation that the bid has come from an owner of an existing Club, like Ashley. To be honest that seems more believable than what the Aussies have been doing for the last 18 months.
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I’d say it’s vitally important that takeover is complete this transfer window. Then it gives new owners between now and end of season to discuss and offer new contracts to those players.
With Roland in charge to the end of season, none of these players will be offered new contracts and high chance we will lose them.
Problem for the split Cafc fan base, is all that happens is inertia. Nothing happens,
after you, no after you, I insist you make an offer first.
Roland who thought of a number and doubled it is the ultimate wind up. Can't live with us, yet can't seem to say good bye.
Ugh, Ugh, Ugh.
So if it doesn't complete in this window (probable), we'll have to wait till May and then we'll be back to this time last year.
Let's go round again one more time.
BTW, in 30-years ManU will be worth £40 billion.
On the 12/01/2049, page 2326548, be prepared for an old man to pull you up on that statement.
I myself don’t think a league 4 team will be worth that even taking into 30 years of a plummeting £.
Business acumen and football are a strange mix because of wages taking up so much of the expenditure.
You never miss a chance to diss someone........it’s strange obsession fella?
The fact that they are still there suggests that if the price was to come down, it might be more attractive for them. They have to have a plan over a decent period and the numbers will have to add up. It isn't just about how much money you have, but how much money you are willing to commit to a project. The longer it goes on, the more money Duchatelet is losing, so if he could engage his business brain over his ego, and find some sanity he seems to have lost, he should surely see that bringing the price down to get the deal done will probably save him money in the long run, and will certainly rid him of what must be an irritation.
They’re two of very few players still under contract for next season. Pratley’s coming towards the end of his career and Sarr is likely on a good wage given he signed back in 2014.
Vote Muttley!
Grapevine to write to Foreword.
In terms of players being out of contract, I don't think that is a big issue in football today. There will be players from other teams who are out of contract who may be better. The implication is cost though as bringing players in on a free costs money!
I have no idea why they haven't advanced it to completion, hence the speculation that the bid has come from an owner of an existing Club, like Ashley. To be honest that seems more believable than what the Aussies have been doing for the last 18 months.