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The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)

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  • Hex said:

    JamesSeed said:

    Redhenry said:

    Why have others walked away and they are still here? I don't have any inside info but it just smells wrong.

    I'm not claiming to have a great business mind, but I've been saying it a while, if these are the same outfit who were sniffing round for more investment in the City to even make the initial offer, it should ring alarm bells imo.

    I think the Aussies have thought they've had the upper hand all along and basically went along with everything to get to the point where RD was so desperate to offload, that He would agree to a couple of small concessions to get the deal over the line, the £7 million charge being one, but they never took into account what a greedy stubborn old goat he is. Whoever was responsible for paying this £7 million off shoulda / woulda been agreed months ago, surely. So why is it a sticking point now, when the deal is supposedly so close? Someone ain't being honest and I personally don't think its all RD meself.

    Queue the LOLs from the sheeple on here who won't have nothing bad said about the Aussies, but look at the bigger picture ffs, even if the deal goes through on Monday, there's still a couple of quite large question marks over certain things that have gone on over the last few months.
    Sheeple? Bit harsh. To say something bad about the Aussies you need to have some evidence that they’ve done something wrong. If we find out something bad about the Aussies I’m sure opinions will shift. You’ve speculated a lot here, but I’m not sure what it’s based on, is all.

    What are these question marks? There’s been lots of speculation about them bidding high, or bidding low, or paying off directors or not paying off directors, when the truth is no one knows what’s going on in the negotiations because they’re between Gerard Murphy and Roland’s money man, and neither are saying a word. If you’re implying something shady is going on, I’d like to see your evidence of that!

    GM has said zero to me since our beer, except to deny rumours put out by agitators.

    So what is your evidence, or where are you hearing these rumours?
    It's taken them well over a year to get their hands on a tin pot league one club.

    Alarm bells have pretty much rung themselves out. Something seriously wrong with their plan imo.
    You can bang their drum all you like. The fact that they still haven't managed to get this over the line at point critical speaks volumes.
    Any group with proper business savvy would have walked away long ago imo.

    Don't tell me. .....They're just trying to help us out and are hanging in there for the good of the club.
    Total bollox if you ask me.
    The Americans buying into Palace took about a year.

    Yeh - but they're Americans.
  • Addickted said:

    Hex said:

    JamesSeed said:

    Redhenry said:

    Why have others walked away and they are still here? I don't have any inside info but it just smells wrong.

    I'm not claiming to have a great business mind, but I've been saying it a while, if these are the same outfit who were sniffing round for more investment in the City to even make the initial offer, it should ring alarm bells imo.

    I think the Aussies have thought they've had the upper hand all along and basically went along with everything to get to the point where RD was so desperate to offload, that He would agree to a couple of small concessions to get the deal over the line, the £7 million charge being one, but they never took into account what a greedy stubborn old goat he is. Whoever was responsible for paying this £7 million off shoulda / woulda been agreed months ago, surely. So why is it a sticking point now, when the deal is supposedly so close? Someone ain't being honest and I personally don't think its all RD meself.

    Queue the LOLs from the sheeple on here who won't have nothing bad said about the Aussies, but look at the bigger picture ffs, even if the deal goes through on Monday, there's still a couple of quite large question marks over certain things that have gone on over the last few months.
    Sheeple? Bit harsh. To say something bad about the Aussies you need to have some evidence that they’ve done something wrong. If we find out something bad about the Aussies I’m sure opinions will shift. You’ve speculated a lot here, but I’m not sure what it’s based on, is all.

    What are these question marks? There’s been lots of speculation about them bidding high, or bidding low, or paying off directors or not paying off directors, when the truth is no one knows what’s going on in the negotiations because they’re between Gerard Murphy and Roland’s money man, and neither are saying a word. If you’re implying something shady is going on, I’d like to see your evidence of that!

    GM has said zero to me since our beer, except to deny rumours put out by agitators.

    So what is your evidence, or where are you hearing these rumours?
    It's taken them well over a year to get their hands on a tin pot league one club.

    Alarm bells have pretty much rung themselves out. Something seriously wrong with their plan imo.
    You can bang their drum all you like. The fact that they still haven't managed to get this over the line at point critical speaks volumes.
    Any group with proper business savvy would have walked away long ago imo.

    Don't tell me. .....They're just trying to help us out and are hanging in there for the good of the club.
    Total bollox if you ask me.
    The Americans buying into Palace took about a year.
    Yeh - but they're Americans.

    So many club sales are to non Brits these days. Not sure that aspect would delay things?
  • We have gone from a Done Deal in February to not knowing where we are at in July.
    Muir allegedly has enough money to buy 20 clubs the size of Charlton.
    Just get on with it ffs.
  • JamesSeed said:

    @JamesSeed please remember this is a discussion forum, not a court of law.

    By nature it’s a vehicle for people to share their thoughts, rational or irrational, like they would chatting in the pub. Of course, there is a line in terms of law that should not be crossed when speaking of individuals, but people people are free to suppose and speculate (within reason) however they wish. Everything does not have to be backed with fact based evidence otherwise social media as whole just doesn’t work.

    I'm well aware of that mate, and in the absence of facts or genuine info it's inevitable.

    But if people are starting to put out that the Aussies are bent then they have to expect to be challenged as you well know. That is also part of the debate, as is evidence and speculation.
    You're The only person who has used the term bent.

    Speculation is the only thing anyone can post, we all know that.
  • JamesSeed said:

    @JamesSeed please remember this is a discussion forum, not a court of law.

    By nature it’s a vehicle for people to share their thoughts, rational or irrational, like they would chatting in the pub. Of course, there is a line in terms of law that should not be crossed when speaking of individuals, but people people are free to suppose and speculate (within reason) however they wish. Everything does not have to be backed with fact based evidence otherwise social media as whole just doesn’t work.

    I'm well aware of that mate, and in the absence of facts or genuine info it's inevitable.

    But if people are starting to put out that the Aussies are bent then they have to expect to be challenged as you well know. That is also part of the debate, as is evidence and speculation.
    Where has anyone said they are bent???
    'There's a smell in the air' was one recent comment. 'Dodgy' would be a more commonly used word rather than bent... read through the thread and there are comments here and there that are designed to undermine their bid and make it look like theyre up to something.

    All part of the debate though of course, but they're going to be challenged, and they are being, and not just by me.
  • JamesSeed said:

    Addickted said:

    Hex said:

    JamesSeed said:

    Redhenry said:

    Why have others walked away and they are still here? I don't have any inside info but it just smells wrong.

    I'm not claiming to have a great business mind, but I've been saying it a while, if these are the same outfit who were sniffing round for more investment in the City to even make the initial offer, it should ring alarm bells imo.

    I think the Aussies have thought they've had the upper hand all along and basically went along with everything to get to the point where RD was so desperate to offload, that He would agree to a couple of small concessions to get the deal over the line, the £7 million charge being one, but they never took into account what a greedy stubborn old goat he is. Whoever was responsible for paying this £7 million off shoulda / woulda been agreed months ago, surely. So why is it a sticking point now, when the deal is supposedly so close? Someone ain't being honest and I personally don't think its all RD meself.

    Queue the LOLs from the sheeple on here who won't have nothing bad said about the Aussies, but look at the bigger picture ffs, even if the deal goes through on Monday, there's still a couple of quite large question marks over certain things that have gone on over the last few months.
    Sheeple? Bit harsh. To say something bad about the Aussies you need to have some evidence that they’ve done something wrong. If we find out something bad about the Aussies I’m sure opinions will shift. You’ve speculated a lot here, but I’m not sure what it’s based on, is all.

    What are these question marks? There’s been lots of speculation about them bidding high, or bidding low, or paying off directors or not paying off directors, when the truth is no one knows what’s going on in the negotiations because they’re between Gerard Murphy and Roland’s money man, and neither are saying a word. If you’re implying something shady is going on, I’d like to see your evidence of that!

    GM has said zero to me since our beer, except to deny rumours put out by agitators.

    So what is your evidence, or where are you hearing these rumours?
    It's taken them well over a year to get their hands on a tin pot league one club.

    Alarm bells have pretty much rung themselves out. Something seriously wrong with their plan imo.
    You can bang their drum all you like. The fact that they still haven't managed to get this over the line at point critical speaks volumes.
    Any group with proper business savvy would have walked away long ago imo.

    Don't tell me. .....They're just trying to help us out and are hanging in there for the good of the club.
    Total bollox if you ask me.
    The Americans buying into Palace took about a year.
    Yeh - but they're Americans.
    So many club sales are to non Brits these days. Not sure that aspect would delay things?

    Because they're Americans.

    They think every foreigner is trying to have them over, because they're the biggest and the best.


  • JamesSeed said:

    JamesSeed said:

    @JamesSeed please remember this is a discussion forum, not a court of law.

    By nature it’s a vehicle for people to share their thoughts, rational or irrational, like they would chatting in the pub. Of course, there is a line in terms of law that should not be crossed when speaking of individuals, but people people are free to suppose and speculate (within reason) however they wish. Everything does not have to be backed with fact based evidence otherwise social media as whole just doesn’t work.

    I'm well aware of that mate, and in the absence of facts or genuine info it's inevitable.

    But if people are starting to put out that the Aussies are bent then they have to expect to be challenged as you well know. That is also part of the debate, as is evidence and speculation.
    Where has anyone said they are bent???
    'There's a smell in the air' was one recent comment. 'Dodgy' would be a more commonly used word rather than bent... read through the thread and there are comments here and there that are designed to undermine their bid and make it look like theyre up to something.

    All part of the debate though of course, but they're going to be challenged, and they are being, and not just by me.
    I, like many others have been suspicious of the Australian bid for a while now.

    If some of the rumours are true then I find their business sense a little bit bewildering. I also believe now they are short of ‘available funds’if you like.

    It takes two to do the deal and we can’t doubt Roland’s part in this but I am not convinced the Aussies are the best thing for us right now, albeit they can’t be worse than Roland.
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  • Let's face facts here, we are near to the start of a new season and the club is in limbo.
    We have an owner who doesn't want us and a buyer who can't buy us ( for whatever reason).
    Basically we are stuffed, feel for all us fans, the remaining players and Bowyer.
    Nobody knows what the fuck is going on except we all know that the squad is far to thin to compete.
    Sad state of affairs, fuck off Roland and take the rest of the parasites with you.

    A squad of Europhiles? Ffs, this goes from bad to worse.....

    ; )
  • Let's face facts here, we are near to the start of a new season and the club is in limbo.
    We have an owner who doesn't want us and a buyer who can't buy us ( for whatever reason).
    Basically we are stuffed, feel for all us fans, the remaining players and Bowyer.
    Nobody knows what the fuck is going on except we all know that the squad is far to thin to compete.
    Sad state of affairs, fuck off Roland and take the rest of the parasites with you.

    A squad of Europhiles? Ffs, this goes from bad to worse.....

    ; )
    Outrageous politicising of this otherwise unsullied thread.
  • JamesSeed said:

    Let's face facts here, we are near to the start of a new season and the club is in limbo.
    We have an owner who doesn't want us and a buyer who can't buy us ( for whatever reason).
    Basically we are stuffed, feel for all us fans, the remaining players and Bowyer.
    Nobody knows what the fuck is going on except we all know that the squad is far to thin to compete.
    Sad state of affairs, fuck off Roland and take the rest of the parasites with you.

    A squad of Europhiles? Ffs, this goes from bad to worse.....

    ; )
    Outrageous politicising of this otherwise unsullied thread.
    True, but not the most outrageous thing that's been said on this thread
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  • JamesSeed said:

    JamesSeed said:

    @JamesSeed please remember this is a discussion forum, not a court of law.

    By nature it’s a vehicle for people to share their thoughts, rational or irrational, like they would chatting in the pub. Of course, there is a line in terms of law that should not be crossed when speaking of individuals, but people people are free to suppose and speculate (within reason) however they wish. Everything does not have to be backed with fact based evidence otherwise social media as whole just doesn’t work.

    I'm well aware of that mate, and in the absence of facts or genuine info it's inevitable.

    But if people are starting to put out that the Aussies are bent then they have to expect to be challenged as you well know. That is also part of the debate, as is evidence and speculation.
    Speculation is the only thing anyone can post, we all know that.
    Not really. Someone was saying on here that there was going to be a Roland style player farm, only replacing players from Roland's clubs with Aussies. I wasn't speculating when I challenged them, because I heard the bloke say they wouldn't be doing that. Ok, perhaps he was lying through his teeth, but there are levels of speculation, and that would have been a pretty low one.
    y.
    They spoke about doing exactly that on their own website, so yes, I think someone is telling porkies, or The plan has changed, doesnt mean The poster was wrong.
  • JamesSeed said:

    JamesSeed said:

    @JamesSeed please remember this is a discussion forum, not a court of law.

    By nature it’s a vehicle for people to share their thoughts, rational or irrational, like they would chatting in the pub. Of course, there is a line in terms of law that should not be crossed when speaking of individuals, but people people are free to suppose and speculate (within reason) however they wish. Everything does not have to be backed with fact based evidence otherwise social media as whole just doesn’t work.

    I'm well aware of that mate, and in the absence of facts or genuine info it's inevitable.

    But if people are starting to put out that the Aussies are bent then they have to expect to be challenged as you well know. That is also part of the debate, as is evidence and speculation.
    Speculation is the only thing anyone can post, we all know that.
    Not really. Someone was saying on here that there was going to be a Roland style player farm, only replacing players from Roland's clubs with Aussies. I wasn't speculating when I challenged them, because I heard the bloke say they wouldn't be doing that. Ok, perhaps he was lying through his teeth, but there are levels of speculation, and that would have been a pretty low one.
    y.
    They spoke about doing exactly that on their own website, so yes, I think someone is telling porkies, or The plan has changed, doesnt mean The poster was wrong.
    Fair enough. I haven’t actually seen the website.
  • JohnnyH2 said:

    The one thing that has worried be me throughout all of this with the Aussies are why they are so prepared to meet RD asking price. The club is worth so little and that is declining the more we have RD in charge

    What is the agreed figure?
  • JamesSeed said:

    JohnnyH2 said:

    The one thing that has worried be me throughout all of this with the Aussies are why they are so prepared to meet RD asking price. The club is worth so little and that is declining the more we have RD in charge

    What is the agreed figure?
    So we think/know RD is taking a massive loss? If so surely the deal would grave been concluded a long time ago as you would have thought he would have wanted shot of us
  • edited July 2018

    JamesSeed said:

    JamesSeed said:

    JamesSeed said:

    @JamesSeed please remember this is a discussion forum, not a court of law.

    By nature it’s a vehicle for people to share their thoughts, rational or irrational, like they would chatting in the pub. Of course, there is a line in terms of law that should not be crossed when speaking of individuals, but people people are free to suppose and speculate (within reason) however they wish. Everything does not have to be backed with fact based evidence otherwise social media as whole just doesn’t work.

    I'm well aware of that mate, and in the absence of facts or genuine info it's inevitable.

    But if people are starting to put out that the Aussies are bent then they have to expect to be challenged as you well know. That is also part of the debate, as is evidence and speculation.
    Speculation is the only thing anyone can post, we all know that.
    Not really. Someone was saying on here that there was going to be a Roland style player farm, only replacing players from Roland's clubs with Aussies. I wasn't speculating when I challenged them, because I heard the bloke say they wouldn't be doing that. Ok, perhaps he was lying through his teeth, but there are levels of speculation, and that would have been a pretty low one.
    y.
    They spoke about doing exactly that on their own website, so yes, I think someone is telling porkies, or The plan has changed, doesnt mean The poster was wrong.
    Fair enough. I haven’t actually seen the website.
    Then perhaps stop giving people such a hard time for simply disagreeing with you about your mate.
    It’s not about that Stu.

    And actually, it’s a debate. I’m not giving anyone a hard time.
    People should expect to be challenged, just as you challenged me about the website. It’s fine, I didn’t take it personally.
  • edited July 2018
    JohnnyH2 said:

    JamesSeed said:

    JohnnyH2 said:

    The one thing that has worried be me throughout all of this with the Aussies are why they are so prepared to meet RD asking price. The club is worth so little and that is declining the more we have RD in charge

    What is the agreed figure?
    So we think/know RD is taking a massive loss? If so surely the deal would grave been concluded a long time ago as you would have thought he would have wanted shot of us
    I don’t know if he’s taking a loss. It’d be great if he was though. ;-)
  • JamesSeed said:

    JohnnyH2 said:

    JamesSeed said:

    JohnnyH2 said:

    The one thing that has worried be me throughout all of this with the Aussies are why they are so prepared to meet RD asking price. The club is worth so little and that is declining the more we have RD in charge

    What is the agreed figure?
    So we think/know RD is taking a massive loss? If so surely the deal would grave been concluded a long time ago as you would have thought he would have wanted shot of us
    I don’t know if he’s taking a loss. It’d be great if he was though. ;-)
    So if he is not taking a loss then it's a lot of money to pay for our club in its current state
  • edited July 2018
    JohnnyH2 said:

    JamesSeed said:

    JohnnyH2 said:

    JamesSeed said:

    JohnnyH2 said:

    The one thing that has worried be me throughout all of this with the Aussies are why they are so prepared to meet RD asking price. The club is worth so little and that is declining the more we have RD in charge

    What is the agreed figure?
    So we think/know RD is taking a massive loss? If so surely the deal would grave been concluded a long time ago as you would have thought he would have wanted shot of us
    I don’t know if he’s taking a loss. It’d be great if he was though. ;-)
    So if he is not taking a loss then it's a lot of money to pay for our club in its current state
    I don’t know if he’s taking a loss. I guess something is only worth what someone is prepared to pay for it.
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