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The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)

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  • I thought there’d been positive news coming out of the club last week?
    What is the bloody hold up?
  • @Weegie Addick @Lewis Coaches

    We need your translation skills
  • So we are back to thinking the Aussies don't have the funds? Is this based on any actual knowledge or just more supposition? There were strong rumours that the delay is now due to something historical pre-Duchatelet. This thing keeps going round in circles. I guess this time next week we might have another update given the supposed deadline of mid-July.
  • edited July 2018
    Valley11 said:

    I thought there’d been positive news coming out of the club last week?
    What is the bloody hold up?

    Stating the bloody obvious, the two sides cannot agree would be my stab in the dark.
    Every seller wants top dollar and every buyer wants a bargain.

    Or it could be, Roland might be a tad preoccupied concentrating on his country’s excellent national team.
  • This deal has always been about the price, Roland never understood the Ex Directors loans needed clearing if he was going to find a real buyer.
    Until he pays them off no buyer with a Business brain will buy the Club.
    Aussies as has been mentioned before do not have funds.
    Over to you Roland.

    So it's all about the price?

    Or it's the director's loans?

    Or it that the Aussies don't have the funds?

    Which one @Davidsmith ?
    Good questions as not for the first time, David Smith seems to lack clarification and covers all bases rather than giving any 1 reason.

    No doubt that 2 of the 3 can merge into one explanation though.
  • @Weegie Addick @Lewis Coaches

    We need your translation skills

    Here is a Google translation of the article:-

    Duchâtelet: 'Use success Red Devils to find Belgium again'
    07 July 2018 01:05
    © Debby Termonia
    Calculated during the football World Cup, he builds his football empire. Because he would rather invest in social problems. Breakfast with De Tijd.
    "What is a man? Yet even an evolved animal. So people make mistakes. I, like everyone else. That is why you have to shield yourself emotionally when people write or say something to hurt you. How? I wonder what their problem is. "
    Breakfast with De Tijd
    Sint-Truiden, 8 o'clock, in Grand Café Stayen.
    With Roland Duchâtelet we talk about football, Limburg, Rock Werchter and Wikipedia.
    The question was how Roland Duchâtelet (71), a successful businessman, deals with reactions to the man. For example from the supporters of football club Charlton Athletic who came to Sint-Truiden to establish a political party. They already had a name: ROT, Roland Out Today. "I have never been awake."
    The past tense is appropriate, even if we are having breakfast at 8 o'clock in the morning at the Grand Café under the STVV stadium. Last week, the newspaper said Duchâtelet would sell Charlton Athletic. The deal is not round yet, but with a pistolet with egg and a slice of pineapple he says: 'Football does not suit me well. It is a separate world that is not mine. "
    Football does not suit me well. It is a separate world that is not mine.
    That sounds strange for someone who has been in it for more than twenty years, as a sponsor and later owner of STVV, then of Standar d, Charlton, Carl Zeiss Jena from Germany and the Spanish Alcorcón. "Today you see that there are more networks of clubs such as Manchester City, Watford and Red Bull. That is more in line with the internationalization of business. But when I did, I was crazy. Perhaps I did not make the sentence clear enough, that is possible. '
    The coffee did not get a chance to get cold, so early in the conversation this already seems like the confession of a mistake. 'Gosh, I have often been mistaken in my life . That's how it goes. I started TV Local a long time ago. That was too early and I did it in the wrong market. Years later, YouTube came with the same concept. But on time. And in a much larger market. This country and our language area were too small for something that was so innovative. '
    To cradle Melexis
    A dribble, a piercing pass, an assist: once Duchâtelet himself played at White Star Woluwe, the flute acceleration was left in the body and head of the man who thirty years ago - together with Françoise Chombard and Rudi Dewinter - stood at the cradle of Melexis and later became politically active in Vivant and Open VLD.
    He needs little to make trips. From football to economy to politics. "The Flemish government still does not realize that. It still requires companies to prepare documents in Dutch . We have a company that is quoted on the stock exchange in Paris, nobody speaks Dutch to the big shareholders, but everything has to be prepared in Dutch. That is just absurd. "
    We have a company that is quoted on the stock exchange in Paris, nobody speaks Dutch to the big shareholders, but everything has to be prepared in Dutch. That is just absurd.
    That indicates little vision, he thinks. Examples fly out. 'Flanders has existed for almost fifty years, but taxes are still being collected that cost more than they generate. They then created a level of government, without abolishing the provinces. Every citizen with common sense must therefore vote for the N-VA at the next provincial elections. Because she is the only party that wants to abolish the provinces. '
    Except in Limburg, everyone seems to want to keep the province there. 'But Limburg is a catastrophe, ' says the man who lives half-time in Antwerp and half-time in Limburg. 'This complex (Stayen, the football stadium, with hotel and conference room, ed.) Must compete with hotels sponsored by the province of Limburg: Alden Biesen, Maasmechelen Village, C-Mine, you name it. Once I asked the governor why he was so compete with the entrepreneurs. 'Because there are not enough in Limburg like you', his answer was. Well. "
    But he wants to leave those provinces. 'Of course I will vote for the provincial elections N-VA. Today you have to vote tactically. Naturally I naturally vote Open VLD. Then you would be crazy to vote for the N-VA, because then you choose the F-35 fighter planes, which would be the biggest stupidity: spend so much money on something that is totally outdated. That is the same as buying a video recorder now. Engineers who are now developing a new fighter plane would never put a human in there. I do not understand that someone who is as intelligent as Bart De Wever does not understand. "

    (continued...
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  • ...continued

    Basic income
    He himself was a ship in Sint-Truiden and a senator for seven years. Did politics become a disappointment? "No, I'm trying to see the positive of the experience. You learn a lot, you can talk about a lot. That wealth is more important than all other forms of wealth. "
    Is frustration a better word? According to Duchâtelet, the tax shift comes directly from the Vivant program. Just like the tax on financial transactions. "Only the basic income is still missing. Many people are now in Silicon Valley. Richard Branson is ahead, Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg. But politics does not dare. "
    The explanation is long. He starts with the migration problem . 'The difference with fifty years ago is that migrants then found work there and thus contributed to social security. Today, 45 percent of the people are employed directly or indirectly by the government. Their taxes are therefore resources of the government itself, which contribute nothing. There are no more jobs for migrants who can bear taxes and so they have no added value economically. That sounds harsh, but in the current world of thinking of politicians and economists it is no different. Because there are no more jobs for those people, we will have to close the boundaries. '
    That's how we get to the basic income, his hobbyhorse. 'If there is not enough work, you have to make sure that there is still an income. Politicians no longer have to say jobs, jobs, jobs. They have to say: income, income, income. If you continue to build social security, as the N-VA wants, people will no longer be able to shop, to football or to a restaurant. So the economy collapses. '
    Use the success of the Red Devils to find Belgium again.
    'With 200 euros per month up to 17 years, 550 euros for people between 18 and 25, 750 euros to 65 and 1.300 per month afterwards, you get there. That basic income is part of the current wage or the current benefit. It is therefore not on top of the current wage, as some suggest it. Social security is a house that has existed for seventy years, but is not isolated and has no double glazing yet. At most, a rear kitchen was added. You should completely break it down and build a new house: based on the basic income. '
    Conservative
    But then there is 'the system'. "As a politician, you must have enough votes. You do not get that when you say things that upset people. (laughing) I always did that. And you certainly can not tell anything innovative, because people are essentially conservative . Take the basic income. You can not politically sell it, because it would make people independent of political service and that is the nightmare for politicians. People themselves would only realize how good it is when it is there. That is the paradox. '
    'If you do not innovate in business, you will die. If you do not innovate in politics, you survive. That frustrated sometimes, yes. An example: normally all those young people who are in Werchter today, should now be in Brustem near Sint-Truiden. That agreement was round, Herman Schueremans wanted that too, but the then sp.a mayor (Ludwig Vandenhove, ed.) Stopped it because he was afraid that I would be the winner there. That was fired purely for political reasons. '
    If you do not innovate in business, you will die. If you do not innovate in politics, you survive.
    'The socialists have their pawns everywhere , also at De Lijn and at Roads and Traffic. So yes, it is true that the sossen work against a lot. But the N-VA is unfortunately not the solution. Because then you will sit with obsolete combat aircraft, without social security and with a split country. What is silly. The opportunity that the success of the Red Devils offers should now be used to re-invent Belgium. Make English the official language and let everyone else speak their own language. '
    Ideas are enough, but politics is a thing of the past. The question is: would a successful entrepreneur not be able to put all those ideas and energy - and perhaps his money - into an NGO?
    'Most people with a large capacity that I know also have a big social side. I support a few people who are struggling . But too many people think that a rich tide can replace social security and have time to deepen their problems. That is not true. There are three projects that I fully help. One: Wikipedia. Because free dissemination of knowledge in the world is extremely important. Two: Transparency International, an organization that fights corruption. And three: BIEN, stands for Basic Income European Network. '
    My added value is that I understand fairly well how the global economy works. Not many people have that.
    "We were home with five children," he says. "My father was a gendarmerie officer and my parents thought it was important for us to get that. My brother Alain, who died six months ago, became a gendarmerie colonel. A sister taught all her life, a brother went into private and another became a soldier. In particular, my parents felt important in the sense of responsibility. I also try to give my six children that. '
    Who is 71 might think of retirement. He does not do that. 'Stopping is not as easy as an entrepreneur. My added value is that I understand fairly well how the global economy works. Not many people have that, and you can not just pass it on. '
    Who 71 is, can also look back. Far even. Were his achievements and his activities, until today, at Melexis, X-FAB and in the hospitality industry around Stayen, a childhood dream? "Not at all," he says. "I wanted to play and have comrades. My only ambition was to be happy. And that is still the case. '
    The coffee has become cold.
    Rik Van Puymbroeck ,
  • I’ve got to the stage now where I wish the Aussie’s would just pull out, if it’s funding then they would be no good anyway. Another year of Roland losing money & the value of the club going down even more would serve the old fool right.
  • edited July 2018
    His fantasies get worse ... he invented the concept of YouTube first.

    :wink:
  • Yes we get it, you’re a f*cking visionary
  • Does anyone else, when reading RD's words, think of Catweazle?

  • Is he really claiming to have invented YouTube before it’s time?

    I know the feeling, I invented the Apple Watch in 1973 but couldn’t get it to sell at all - now they shift millions, I’m totally ahead of the curve.

    If Charlton get promoted to the premier league, a decade after he’s sold us, he’ll take credit for that too.
  • Sorry, my thoughts are with England today. Not letting the old fart distract me. Does seem he has actually admitted to football being a mistake.
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  • I have invented teleportation and the elixir of youth in case a anybody claims the credit in the future.
    It's just the start up funding I'm struggling with.
  • Oi oi Roland, I invented YouTube and teleportation before you. Don’t be an arsehole about it.

    I’ll give you the minimum wage chat though, always thought that wa one of your better ones, genuinely slightly ahead of your time. You ain’t no Elon musk though.
  • @Weegie Addick @Lewis Coaches

    We need your translation skills

    Duchatelet: 'Use success of the Rode Duivels to reinvent Belgium.

    Of all times it is during the World Cup Football, that he downsizes his fooballimperium. Because he rather invests in society problems. Breakfast with De Tijd.

    What is a human being? Only an upgraded animal. So people make mistakes. I, like everybody. That is why you have to shield yourself emotionally when people write or say something to hurt you. How? I just wonder what their problem is.

    Breakfast with De Tijd

    Sint-Truiden, 8 am, in Grand Café Stayen.

    De question was how Roland Duchaetelet (71), a succesfull businessman, deals with reactions to the man. For instance of the supporters of football club Charlton Athletic, who came to Sint-Truiden to fund a political party. A name they already had: ROT: Roland Out Today. "I never had sleepless nights over it".

    The past time has passed, even if we are sitting having breakfast at 8 am in the Grand Cafë under the stadium of STVV. Last week it was written in de paper that Duchaetelet would sell Charlton Athletic. The deal is not done yet, but over a roll with egg and a slice of pineapple, he says: "Football doesn't suit me very well. It is a different world that is not mine".

    This sounds strange coming from somebody who has been in that world for over twenty years, as sponsor and later owneer of STVV, then of Standard, Charlton, Carl Zeiss Jena from Germany and the Spanish Alcorcon. "Today you see that more networks of clubs arise like at Manchester City, Watford and Red Bull. That lies more in the line of internationalization of businesses. But when I did it, I was told I was mad. Maybe I didn't make the point of it clear enough, that's possible.

    The coffee didn't get a chance to get cold, this early in the conversation it already seems like a confession of a mistake. "Gosh, I have made many mistakes in my life. That's how it goes. Long time ago I started TV locally. That was too early and I did it in the wrong market. Years later YouTube came with an idential concept. But on time. And in a much bigger market. This country and our languagearea were too small for something as innovative as that.

    At the crib Melexis

    A dribble, a throughballpass, an assist: once Duchatelet himself played football at White Star Woluwe, the quick acceleration has stuck in the body and mind of the man that thirty years ago - together with Froncoise Chombard and Rudi Dewinter - stood at the crib of Melexis and later became politically active in Vivant and Open VLD.

    He doesn't need much to make a step over. From football to economy to politics. The Flemish government still doesn't realize that. It still obligates companies to draft documents in Dutch. We have a company that is on the stockmarket in Paris, of the big shareholders nobody speaks Dutch, but still everything has to be prepared in Dutch. That is just absurd.

    This indicates little vision, he thinks. Examples come tumbling. "Flanders exists almost fifty years, but still taxes are taken that cost more than they bring. They then have created another level of board, without cancelling the provinces. Every citizen with common sense therefore has to vote for N-VA at the next provincial elections. Because they are the only party that wants to cancel the provinces.

    Except in Limburg, everybody there seems to want to keep the province. "But Limburg is a catastrophe", says the man that lives partly in Antwerp and partly in Limburg."This complex (Stayen, the footballstadium, with hotel and congressrooms, red.) has to compete with hotels that are sponsored by the province of Limburg: Alden Biesen, Maasmechelen Village, C-Mine, etc. Once I asked the governor why he competed against the company-owners like that. "Because there aren't enough of them in Limburg like you" his answer was. Ah well."

    But he wants to get rid of the provinces. Of course I will vote N-VA for the provincial elections. Today you have to vote tactically. Nationally of course I vote Open VLD. Then you would be mad to vote the N-VA, bacause then you choose for the F-35-fighterplanes, which would be the biggest stupidty: spending so much money on something that is totally passed it. That is the same as buying a videorecorder now. Engineers who now develop new fighterplanes, would never put a human being in it. I don't understand that somebody as intelligent as Bart De Wever doesn't understand that.

    Basic income

    He was councillor himself in Sint-Truiden and a senator for seven years. Did the politic become a disappointment? No, I try to see the postivity of the experience. You learn a lot, you can talk about a lot. The richness is more important than all other forms of wealth.

    Is frustration a better word? The taxshift, according to Duchatelet, comes straight from the Vivant-program. Just like the tax on financial actions. Only the basic income is still missing. In Silicon Valley a lot of people now are in favour of that. Richard Branson is in favour. But the politic is afraid.

    The explanation is long. He starts at migrationproblematic. The difference with fifty years ago is that migrants here found work then and that way contributed to the social security. Today 45 percent of the people are put to work by the government directly or indirectly. Their taxes are means of the government itself, they do not contribute to anything. There are no jobs left for migrants that can carry taxes so they do not have an added value economically. That sounds hard, but in the present thinkingworld of politicians and economists it is no different. Because there are no jobs for these people, we will have to close the borders.

    This is how we arrive at the basic income, his favourite subject. If there is not enough work, you will have to make certain that there still is an income. Politicians shouldn't say anymore\: jobs, jobs. They have to say: income, income. Reduce your social security further, like the N-VA wants, then people cannot shop, go to football or to a restaurant. The economy will collapse. At 200 euro a onth till the age of 17, 550 euro for people people between 18 and 25, 750 euro till 65 and 1,300 euro per months afterwards, you will get there. That basic income is a part of the present wages or social benefits. So it won't come on top of the present wages, like some imagine. The social security is a house that exists for seventy years, but has no insulation has no double glazing. At the most a larger kitchen was added. You should have to break it down totally and build a new house: based on the basic income.

    PART2 TO FOLLOW
  • WTF is a 'pistolet of egg'?
  • Uboat said:

    WTF is a 'pistolet of egg'?

    Clearly with a slice of pineapple what we've all been missing out on for breakfast making do with a full English instead.
  • Uboat said:

    WTF is a 'pistolet of egg'?

    No idea, but it costs upwards of £30 in some restaurants...
  • stonemuse said:

    His fantasies get worse ... he invented the concept of YouTube first.

    :wink:

    He also was the first person ever to slice bread.
  • Uboat said:

    WTF is a 'pistolet of egg'?

    Wikipedia suggests that a pistolet is a small crusty roll, a Brussels delicacy.

    Pinterest has a picture that makes it seem as if a pistolet of egg is a fancy hot egg roll, with the egg being poached in the roll (a cut having been made in the top) with cherry tomatoes and basil.
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