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The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)

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  • Mal
    Mal Posts: 616
    Only thing for sure going on regards the takeover, no one knows what the hells going on, I am all for supposition, guess work, Murrays tales, and even Fairy Stories, but none of us know for sure whats happening. We are all peeing up a dark alley, no one truely knows whats going on.
  • ross1
    ross1 Posts: 51,002
    J BLOCK said:

    Still clinging to airman’s “very close” comment from a few days back.

    Let’s hope for good news next week.

    Where have I heard this before?
  • Addickted
    Addickted Posts: 19,456
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    Addickted said:

    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    Airman Brown said:

    cafcfan1990 said:

    bigstemarra said:

    Fair point, Ibborg, none of us have a crystal ball.

    As far as I can see, members of Team Oz, such as Muir, appear to have integrity and good judgement based on what they have done in their careers so far - and this is all that we can, and should, judge them on. So, when looking at RD's record with our club, it is unarguable (unless you are a member of one of the other sites, it appears) that RD has been a disaster for our club with a reverse Midas touch. Therefore, it is fair to speculate that he will continue to be one. As such, I want him gone.

    But when it comes to RD or an alternative, I will go for the alternative every time.

    So, as Blackpool so succinctly puts it: 'Roland, just sell the club and....' you can guess the rest.

    Fair point but I have to agree with Ibborg. Just because Roland is such a shit owner doesn’t mean we should just swap him for anybody. Of course even if the replacement is marginally better then it’s progress, but that’s not saying anything because we are nearly at rock bottom.

    All well and good wanting Roland out but no real point if the successors are nearly as bad. I would personally prefer to wait and have the right people in then still be in a shit position.
    How will we know when it’s the “right people”? What will we do to stop others in the meantime?
    Well a good start would be to give a second look at and ask questions of people who. -

    - Don't know / ignore the rules of not owning shares or having interests in more than one football club.

    And who exactly is that?

    Pure supposition and not something that was raised as an issue by my contact at the EFL.

    Okay, so the hold up is purely down to nasty RD because he's so desperate to sell
    I've not said that. The Aussies are offering good money for a product. They're absolutely right to query any issues they come across.

    Did none of your customers who had their papers delivered question the bill?

  • Sage
    Sage Posts: 7,278
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    Addickted said:

    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    Airman Brown said:

    cafcfan1990 said:

    bigstemarra said:

    Fair point, Ibborg, none of us have a crystal ball.

    As far as I can see, members of Team Oz, such as Muir, appear to have integrity and good judgement based on what they have done in their careers so far - and this is all that we can, and should, judge them on. So, when looking at RD's record with our club, it is unarguable (unless you are a member of one of the other sites, it appears) that RD has been a disaster for our club with a reverse Midas touch. Therefore, it is fair to speculate that he will continue to be one. As such, I want him gone.

    But when it comes to RD or an alternative, I will go for the alternative every time.

    So, as Blackpool so succinctly puts it: 'Roland, just sell the club and....' you can guess the rest.

    Fair point but I have to agree with Ibborg. Just because Roland is such a shit owner doesn’t mean we should just swap him for anybody. Of course even if the replacement is marginally better then it’s progress, but that’s not saying anything because we are nearly at rock bottom.

    All well and good wanting Roland out but no real point if the successors are nearly as bad. I would personally prefer to wait and have the right people in then still be in a shit position.
    How will we know when it’s the “right people”? What will we do to stop others in the meantime?
    Well a good start would be to give a second look at and ask questions of people who. -

    - Don't know / ignore the rules of not owning shares or having interests in more than one football club.

    And who exactly is that?

    Pure supposition and not something that was raised as an issue by my contact at the EFL.

    Okay, so the hold up is purely down to nasty RD because he's so desperate to sell
    That is not what the issue is of what is holding up this takeover, has nothing to do with potential investors and nothing to do with asking price.

    As has been said by many on here time and time again, there are obviously underlining issues that need to be/is being/has been resolved before we can move forward.

    If people think the Aussie’s are slowing things down they’re mad, they’re obviously serious so although they’re patient, if you think they wouldn’t prefer to be in charge of the club running it the way they want to by now, you’re wrong.
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    It is probably too late to get my two season tickets now seeing as how it depends on a takeover.

    Deadlines are:

    Special games.
    Starts of seasons
    Reporting back for training.
    Ends of transfer windows.
    Ends of months
    Ends of financial years
    ...amongst others.

    Last two season without any season tickets my connection with my club was to pay for Valley Pass.
    I could write here at least a dozen very specific reasons why I think Valley Pass, even at £60, is a total rip off run by inconsistent and self indulgent individuals, in a self indulgent and inconsistent way, so for me that is another £60 saved which is spent now on the ifollow services.

    I have been welded to Charlton Athletic all my life, but now feel so alienated, and indeed hated by my club it leads to despair and feelings of vengeance.
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    Sage said:

    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    Addickted said:

    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    Airman Brown said:

    cafcfan1990 said:

    bigstemarra said:

    Fair point, Ibborg, none of us have a crystal ball.

    As far as I can see, members of Team Oz, such as Muir, appear to have integrity and good judgement based on what they have done in their careers so far - and this is all that we can, and should, judge them on. So, when looking at RD's record with our club, it is unarguable (unless you are a member of one of the other sites, it appears) that RD has been a disaster for our club with a reverse Midas touch. Therefore, it is fair to speculate that he will continue to be one. As such, I want him gone.

    But when it comes to RD or an alternative, I will go for the alternative every time.

    So, as Blackpool so succinctly puts it: 'Roland, just sell the club and....' you can guess the rest.

    Fair point but I have to agree with Ibborg. Just because Roland is such a shit owner doesn’t mean we should just swap him for anybody. Of course even if the replacement is marginally better then it’s progress, but that’s not saying anything because we are nearly at rock bottom.

    All well and good wanting Roland out but no real point if the successors are nearly as bad. I would personally prefer to wait and have the right people in then still be in a shit position.
    How will we know when it’s the “right people”? What will we do to stop others in the meantime?
    Well a good start would be to give a second look at and ask questions of people who. -

    - Don't know / ignore the rules of not owning shares or having interests in more than one football club.

    And who exactly is that?

    Pure supposition and not something that was raised as an issue by my contact at the EFL.

    Okay, so the hold up is purely down to nasty RD because he's so desperate to sell
    That is not what the issue is of what is holding up this takeover, has nothing to do with potential investors and nothing to do with asking price.

    As has been said by many on here time and time again, there are obviously underlining issues that need to be/is being/has been resolved before we can move forward.

    If people think the Aussie’s are slowing things down they’re mad, they’re obviously serious so although they’re patient, if you think they wouldn’t prefer to be in charge of the club running it the way they want to by now, you’re wrong.
    So you don't think it's "mad" that someone is paying over £40 million for Charlton then?

    And the £7 million charge on the club is not the issue, even though it's been said by a few people that it is.

    I don't doubt they want to be running the Club by now so I can't be wrong on
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    Addickted said:

    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    Addickted said:

    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    Airman Brown said:

    cafcfan1990 said:

    bigstemarra said:

    Fair point, Ibborg, none of us have a crystal ball.

    As far as I can see, members of Team Oz, such as Muir, appear to have integrity and good judgement based on what they have done in their careers so far - and this is all that we can, and should, judge them on. So, when looking at RD's record with our club, it is unarguable (unless you are a member of one of the other sites, it appears) that RD has been a disaster for our club with a reverse Midas touch. Therefore, it is fair to speculate that he will continue to be one. As such, I want him gone.

    But when it comes to RD or an alternative, I will go for the alternative every time.

    So, as Blackpool so succinctly puts it: 'Roland, just sell the club and....' you can guess the rest.

    Fair point but I have to agree with Ibborg. Just because Roland is such a shit owner doesn’t mean we should just swap him for anybody. Of course even if the replacement is marginally better then it’s progress, but that’s not saying anything because we are nearly at rock bottom.

    All well and good wanting Roland out but no real point if the successors are nearly as bad. I would personally prefer to wait and have the right people in then still be in a shit position.
    How will we know when it’s the “right people”? What will we do to stop others in the meantime?
    Well a good start would be to give a second look at and ask questions of people who. -

    - Don't know / ignore the rules of not owning shares or having interests in more than one football club.

    And who exactly is that?

    Pure supposition and not something that was raised as an issue by my contact at the EFL.

    Okay, so the hold up is purely down to nasty RD because he's so desperate to sell
    I've not said that. The Aussies are offering good money for a product. They're absolutely right to query any issues they come across.

    Did none of your customers who had their papers delivered question the bill?

    No, because I never sold papers
  • alangee
    alangee Posts: 398
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    Airman Brown said:

    cafcfan1990 said:

    bigstemarra said:

    Fair point, Ibborg, none of us have a crystal ball.

    As far as I can see, members of Team Oz, such as Muir, appear to have integrity and good judgement based on what they have done in their careers so far - and this is all that we can, and should, judge them on. So, when looking at RD's record with our club, it is unarguable (unless you are a member of one of the other sites, it appears) that RD has been a disaster for our club with a reverse Midas touch. Therefore, it is fair to speculate that he will continue to be one. As such, I want him gone.

    But when it comes to RD or an alternative, I will go for the alternative every time.

    So, as Blackpool so succinctly puts it: 'Roland, just sell the club and....' you can guess the rest.

    Fair point but I have to agree with Ibborg. Just because Roland is such a shit owner doesn’t mean we should just swap him for anybody. Of course even if the replacement is marginally better then it’s progress, but that’s not saying anything because we are nearly at rock bottom.

    All well and good wanting Roland out but no real point if the successors are nearly as bad. I would personally prefer to wait and have the right people in then still be in a shit position.
    How will we know when it’s the “right people”? What will we do to stop others in the meantime?
    Well a good start would be to give a second look at and ask questions of people who. -

    - Don't know / ignore the rules of not owning shares or having interests in more than one football club.

    - Get to the point of completion before talking about who is liable for a debt the is equal to nearly 20% of the reported sale price.

    How do you know they didn't know/ignored EFL rules?

    If they have made an offer for clean title of the football club, maybe they were expecting Roland to have settled the outstanding charges before the point of completion.

    This is just an opinion by the way, you seem to be more in th know than me.
  • iainment
    iainment Posts: 8,040
    JamesSeed said:

    World Cup '66. My grandad went and died on the day of the Mexico match in the group stages, the 16th July. Watched the final with my mum, my granny and her two sisters (who were visiting from the north east for the funeral), and my sister. I remember it really clearly to this day. My sister's boyfriend came round to the Seed house after the final, and gave me the programme, which I still have.

    Sorry for going off thread.

    If we're having random posts in this thread about our grandads here's mine.

    My grandad died in 1964. He was Welsh and not interested in association football. But my Uncle John went to the Final and gave me his programme.


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  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    alangee said:

    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    Airman Brown said:

    cafcfan1990 said:

    bigstemarra said:

    Fair point, Ibborg, none of us have a crystal ball.

    As far as I can see, members of Team Oz, such as Muir, appear to have integrity and good judgement based on what they have done in their careers so far - and this is all that we can, and should, judge them on. So, when looking at RD's record with our club, it is unarguable (unless you are a member of one of the other sites, it appears) that RD has been a disaster for our club with a reverse Midas touch. Therefore, it is fair to speculate that he will continue to be one. As such, I want him gone.

    But when it comes to RD or an alternative, I will go for the alternative every time.

    So, as Blackpool so succinctly puts it: 'Roland, just sell the club and....' you can guess the rest.

    Fair point but I have to agree with Ibborg. Just because Roland is such a shit owner doesn’t mean we should just swap him for anybody. Of course even if the replacement is marginally better then it’s progress, but that’s not saying anything because we are nearly at rock bottom.

    All well and good wanting Roland out but no real point if the successors are nearly as bad. I would personally prefer to wait and have the right people in then still be in a shit position.
    How will we know when it’s the “right people”? What will we do to stop others in the meantime?
    Well a good start would be to give a second look at and ask questions of people who. -

    - Don't know / ignore the rules of not owning shares or having interests in more than one football club.

    - Get to the point of completion before talking about who is liable for a debt the is equal to nearly 20% of the reported sale price.

    How do you know they didn't know/ignored EFL rules?

    If they have made an offer for clean title of the football club, maybe they were expecting Roland to have settled the outstanding charges before the point of completion.

    This is just an opinion by the way, you seem to be more in th know than me.
    They're both opinions mate and we're both entitled to have them, but don't you think that things like charges on the Club is something that a consortium worth half its salt shoulda picked up on the the opening stages of negotiations? We know what owners are like, who aren't very thorough and don't pick up on such things, we've already got one
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    Regarding the alleged consortium members who left the table - Did this not happen at all, or did 2 people pull out, but it was nothing to do with breaking EFL rules?
  • alangee
    alangee Posts: 398
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    alangee said:

    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    Airman Brown said:

    cafcfan1990 said:

    bigstemarra said:

    Fair point, Ibborg, none of us have a crystal ball.

    As far as I can see, members of Team Oz, such as Muir, appear to have integrity and good judgement based on what they have done in their careers so far - and this is all that we can, and should, judge them on. So, when looking at RD's record with our club, it is unarguable (unless you are a member of one of the other sites, it appears) that RD has been a disaster for our club with a reverse Midas touch. Therefore, it is fair to speculate that he will continue to be one. As such, I want him gone.

    But when it comes to RD or an alternative, I will go for the alternative every time.

    So, as Blackpool so succinctly puts it: 'Roland, just sell the club and....' you can guess the rest.

    Fair point but I have to agree with Ibborg. Just because Roland is such a shit owner doesn’t mean we should just swap him for anybody. Of course even if the replacement is marginally better then it’s progress, but that’s not saying anything because we are nearly at rock bottom.

    All well and good wanting Roland out but no real point if the successors are nearly as bad. I would personally prefer to wait and have the right people in then still be in a shit position.
    How will we know when it’s the “right people”? What will we do to stop others in the meantime?
    Well a good start would be to give a second look at and ask questions of people who. -

    - Don't know / ignore the rules of not owning shares or having interests in more than one football club.

    - Get to the point of completion before talking about who is liable for a debt the is equal to nearly 20% of the reported sale price.

    How do you know they didn't know/ignored EFL rules?

    If they have made an offer for clean title of the football club, maybe they were expecting Roland to have settled the outstanding charges before the point of completion.

    This is just an opinion by the way, you seem to be more in th know than me.
    They're both opinions mate and we're both entitled to have them, but don't you think that things like charges on the Club is something that a consortium worth half its salt shoulda picked up on the the opening stages of negotiations? We know what owners are like, who aren't very thorough and don't pick up on such things, we've already got one
    As I said before, perhaps they did and were expecting RD to have settled it before now.
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,625
    I’m thinking @Airman Brown is the only person who can answer this but is there a second “British” group lurking or are the Aussies the only turkey in the shop ?
  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,886
    edited July 2018
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    alangee said:

    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    Airman Brown said:

    cafcfan1990 said:

    bigstemarra said:

    Fair point, Ibborg, none of us have a crystal ball.

    As far as I can see, members of Team Oz, such as Muir, appear to have integrity and good judgement based on what they have done in their careers so far - and this is all that we can, and should, judge them on. So, when looking at RD's record with our club, it is unarguable (unless you are a member of one of the other sites, it appears) that RD has been a disaster for our club with a reverse Midas touch. Therefore, it is fair to speculate that he will continue to be one. As such, I want him gone.

    But when it comes to RD or an alternative, I will go for the alternative every time.

    So, as Blackpool so succinctly puts it: 'Roland, just sell the club and....' you can guess the rest.

    Fair point but I have to agree with Ibborg. Just because Roland is such a shit owner doesn’t mean we should just swap him for anybody. Of course even if the replacement is marginally better then it’s progress, but that’s not saying anything because we are nearly at rock bottom.

    All well and good wanting Roland out but no real point if the successors are nearly as bad. I would personally prefer to wait and have the right people in then still be in a shit position.
    How will we know when it’s the “right people”? What will we do to stop others in the meantime?
    Well a good start would be to give a second look at and ask questions of people who. -

    - Don't know / ignore the rules of not owning shares or having interests in more than one football club.

    - Get to the point of completion before talking about who is liable for a debt the is equal to nearly 20% of the reported sale price.

    How do you know they didn't know/ignored EFL rules?

    If they have made an offer for clean title of the football club, maybe they were expecting Roland to have settled the outstanding charges before the point of completion.

    This is just an opinion by the way, you seem to be more in th know than me.
    They're both opinions mate and we're both entitled to have them, but don't you think that things like charges on the Club is something that a consortium worth half its salt shoulda picked up on the the opening stages of negotiations? We know what owners are like, who aren't very thorough and don't pick up on such things, we've already got one
    Rob, if I was buying Charlton why on earth would I not expect to get a clean title on the business and its property I was buying! No way can this issue be put at the Aussies door imo. Sorry mate but your barking up the wrong tree.
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    edited July 2018
    alangee said:

    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    alangee said:

    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    Airman Brown said:

    cafcfan1990 said:

    bigstemarra said:

    Fair point, Ibborg, none of us have a crystal ball.

    As far as I can see, members of Team Oz, such as Muir, appear to have integrity and good judgement based on what they have done in their careers so far - and this is all that we can, and should, judge them on. So, when looking at RD's record with our club, it is unarguable (unless you are a member of one of the other sites, it appears) that RD has been a disaster for our club with a reverse Midas touch. Therefore, it is fair to speculate that he will continue to be one. As such, I want him gone.

    But when it comes to RD or an alternative, I will go for the alternative every time.

    So, as Blackpool so succinctly puts it: 'Roland, just sell the club and....' you can guess the rest.

    Fair point but I have to agree with Ibborg. Just because Roland is such a shit owner doesn’t mean we should just swap him for anybody. Of course even if the replacement is marginally better then it’s progress, but that’s not saying anything because we are nearly at rock bottom.

    All well and good wanting Roland out but no real point if the successors are nearly as bad. I would personally prefer to wait and have the right people in then still be in a shit position.
    How will we know when it’s the “right people”? What will we do to stop others in the meantime?
    Well a good start would be to give a second look at and ask questions of people who. -

    - Don't know / ignore the rules of not owning shares or having interests in more than one football club.

    - Get to the point of completion before talking about who is liable for a debt the is equal to nearly 20% of the reported sale price.

    How do you know they didn't know/ignored EFL rules?

    If they have made an offer for clean title of the football club, maybe they were expecting Roland to have settled the outstanding charges before the point of completion.

    This is just an opinion by the way, you seem to be more in th know than me.
    They're both opinions mate and we're both entitled to have them, but don't you think that things like charges on the Club is something that a consortium worth half its salt shoulda picked up on the the opening stages of negotiations? We know what owners are like, who aren't very thorough and don't pick up on such things, we've already got one
    As I said before, perhaps they did and were expecting RD to have settled it before now.
    But then a price cant have been a agreed, even approximate, as no one knew who was liable for them. Even more strange
  • alangee
    alangee Posts: 398
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    alangee said:

    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    alangee said:

    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    Airman Brown said:

    cafcfan1990 said:

    bigstemarra said:

    Fair point, Ibborg, none of us have a crystal ball.

    As far as I can see, members of Team Oz, such as Muir, appear to have integrity and good judgement based on what they have done in their careers so far - and this is all that we can, and should, judge them on. So, when looking at RD's record with our club, it is unarguable (unless you are a member of one of the other sites, it appears) that RD has been a disaster for our club with a reverse Midas touch. Therefore, it is fair to speculate that he will continue to be one. As such, I want him gone.

    But when it comes to RD or an alternative, I will go for the alternative every time.

    So, as Blackpool so succinctly puts it: 'Roland, just sell the club and....' you can guess the rest.

    Fair point but I have to agree with Ibborg. Just because Roland is such a shit owner doesn’t mean we should just swap him for anybody. Of course even if the replacement is marginally better then it’s progress, but that’s not saying anything because we are nearly at rock bottom.

    All well and good wanting Roland out but no real point if the successors are nearly as bad. I would personally prefer to wait and have the right people in then still be in a shit position.
    How will we know when it’s the “right people”? What will we do to stop others in the meantime?
    Well a good start would be to give a second look at and ask questions of people who. -

    - Don't know / ignore the rules of not owning shares or having interests in more than one football club.

    - Get to the point of completion before talking about who is liable for a debt the is equal to nearly 20% of the reported sale price.

    How do you know they didn't know/ignored EFL rules?

    If they have made an offer for clean title of the football club, maybe they were expecting Roland to have settled the outstanding charges before the point of completion.

    This is just an opinion by the way, you seem to be more in th know than me.
    They're both opinions mate and we're both entitled to have them, but don't you think that things like charges on the Club is something that a consortium worth half its salt shoulda picked up on the the opening stages of negotiations? We know what owners are like, who aren't very thorough and don't pick up on such things, we've already got one
    As I said before, perhaps they did and were expecting RD to have settled it before now.
    But then a price cant have been a agreed, even approximate, as no one new who was liable for them. Even more strange
    It is Rolands debt, he accepted the charges, knowingly or otherwise.
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    RedChaser said:

    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    alangee said:

    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    Airman Brown said:

    cafcfan1990 said:

    bigstemarra said:

    Fair point, Ibborg, none of us have a crystal ball.

    As far as I can see, members of Team Oz, such as Muir, appear to have integrity and good judgement based on what they have done in their careers so far - and this is all that we can, and should, judge them on. So, when looking at RD's record with our club, it is unarguable (unless you are a member of one of the other sites, it appears) that RD has been a disaster for our club with a reverse Midas touch. Therefore, it is fair to speculate that he will continue to be one. As such, I want him gone.

    But when it comes to RD or an alternative, I will go for the alternative every time.

    So, as Blackpool so succinctly puts it: 'Roland, just sell the club and....' you can guess the rest.

    Fair point but I have to agree with Ibborg. Just because Roland is such a shit owner doesn’t mean we should just swap him for anybody. Of course even if the replacement is marginally better then it’s progress, but that’s not saying anything because we are nearly at rock bottom.

    All well and good wanting Roland out but no real point if the successors are nearly as bad. I would personally prefer to wait and have the right people in then still be in a shit position.
    How will we know when it’s the “right people”? What will we do to stop others in the meantime?
    Well a good start would be to give a second look at and ask questions of people who. -

    - Don't know / ignore the rules of not owning shares or having interests in more than one football club.

    - Get to the point of completion before talking about who is liable for a debt the is equal to nearly 20% of the reported sale price.

    How do you know they didn't know/ignored EFL rules?

    If they have made an offer for clean title of the football club, maybe they were expecting Roland to have settled the outstanding charges before the point of completion.

    This is just an opinion by the way, you seem to be more in th know than me.
    They're both opinions mate and we're both entitled to have them, but don't you think that things like charges on the Club is something that a consortium worth half its salt shoulda picked up on the the opening stages of negotiations? We know what owners are like, who aren't very thorough and don't pick up on such things, we've already got one
    Rob, if I was buying Charlton why on earth would I not expect to get a clean title on the business and its property I was buying! No way can this issue be put at the Aussies door imo. Sorry mate but your barking up the wrong tree.
    So why is everyone slagging RD off for suposing it werent his debt when he took over?
  • TellyTubby
    TellyTubby Posts: 3,550
    Relax everyone, my source tells me that the take over will be announced immediately after Kane lifts the World Cup.

    I will ask him again when he comes out. That will be Wednesday as he only comes out when I drink my gin.
  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,886
    edited July 2018
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    RedChaser said:

    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    alangee said:

    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    Airman Brown said:

    cafcfan1990 said:

    bigstemarra said:

    Fair point, Ibborg, none of us have a crystal ball.

    As far as I can see, members of Team Oz, such as Muir, appear to have integrity and good judgement based on what they have done in their careers so far - and this is all that we can, and should, judge them on. So, when looking at RD's record with our club, it is unarguable (unless you are a member of one of the other sites, it appears) that RD has been a disaster for our club with a reverse Midas touch. Therefore, it is fair to speculate that he will continue to be one. As such, I want him gone.

    But when it comes to RD or an alternative, I will go for the alternative every time.

    So, as Blackpool so succinctly puts it: 'Roland, just sell the club and....' you can guess the rest.

    Fair point but I have to agree with Ibborg. Just because Roland is such a shit owner doesn’t mean we should just swap him for anybody. Of course even if the replacement is marginally better then it’s progress, but that’s not saying anything because we are nearly at rock bottom.

    All well and good wanting Roland out but no real point if the successors are nearly as bad. I would personally prefer to wait and have the right people in then still be in a shit position.
    How will we know when it’s the “right people”? What will we do to stop others in the meantime?
    Well a good start would be to give a second look at and ask questions of people who. -

    - Don't know / ignore the rules of not owning shares or having interests in more than one football club.

    - Get to the point of completion before talking about who is liable for a debt the is equal to nearly 20% of the reported sale price.

    How do you know they didn't know/ignored EFL rules?

    If they have made an offer for clean title of the football club, maybe they were expecting Roland to have settled the outstanding charges before the point of completion.

    This is just an opinion by the way, you seem to be more in th know than me.
    They're both opinions mate and we're both entitled to have them, but don't you think that things like charges on the Club is something that a consortium worth half its salt shoulda picked up on the the opening stages of negotiations? We know what owners are like, who aren't very thorough and don't pick up on such things, we've already got one
    Rob, if I was buying Charlton why on earth would I not expect to get a clean title on the business and its property I was buying! No way can this issue be put at the Aussies door imo. Sorry mate but your barking up the wrong tree.
    So why is everyone slagging RD off for suposing it werent his debt when he took over?
    Sorry mate you've lost me, he bought the club without doing proper and thorough DD. His problem he needs to sort it if he wants to sell the club or am I being unreasonable?
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  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,001
    alangee said:

    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    alangee said:

    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    alangee said:

    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    Airman Brown said:

    cafcfan1990 said:

    bigstemarra said:

    Fair point, Ibborg, none of us have a crystal ball.

    As far as I can see, members of Team Oz, such as Muir, appear to have integrity and good judgement based on what they have done in their careers so far - and this is all that we can, and should, judge them on. So, when looking at RD's record with our club, it is unarguable (unless you are a member of one of the other sites, it appears) that RD has been a disaster for our club with a reverse Midas touch. Therefore, it is fair to speculate that he will continue to be one. As such, I want him gone.

    But when it comes to RD or an alternative, I will go for the alternative every time.

    So, as Blackpool so succinctly puts it: 'Roland, just sell the club and....' you can guess the rest.

    Fair point but I have to agree with Ibborg. Just because Roland is such a shit owner doesn’t mean we should just swap him for anybody. Of course even if the replacement is marginally better then it’s progress, but that’s not saying anything because we are nearly at rock bottom.

    All well and good wanting Roland out but no real point if the successors are nearly as bad. I would personally prefer to wait and have the right people in then still be in a shit position.
    How will we know when it’s the “right people”? What will we do to stop others in the meantime?
    Well a good start would be to give a second look at and ask questions of people who. -

    - Don't know / ignore the rules of not owning shares or having interests in more than one football club.

    - Get to the point of completion before talking about who is liable for a debt the is equal to nearly 20% of the reported sale price.

    How do you know they didn't know/ignored EFL rules?

    If they have made an offer for clean title of the football club, maybe they were expecting Roland to have settled the outstanding charges before the point of completion.

    This is just an opinion by the way, you seem to be more in th know than me.
    They're both opinions mate and we're both entitled to have them, but don't you think that things like charges on the Club is something that a consortium worth half its salt shoulda picked up on the the opening stages of negotiations? We know what owners are like, who aren't very thorough and don't pick up on such things, we've already got one
    As I said before, perhaps they did and were expecting RD to have settled it before now.
    But then a price cant have been a agreed, even approximate, as no one new who was liable for them. Even more strange
    It is Rolands debt, he accepted the charges, knowingly or otherwise.
    I am presuming unknowingly but the consortium has had enough savvy to avoid that trap and Roland only now realises he had the debt in the first place
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,013
    seth plum said:

    It is probably too late to get my two season tickets now seeing as how it depends on a takeover.

    Deadlines are:

    Special games.
    Starts of seasons
    Reporting back for training.
    Ends of transfer windows.
    Ends of months
    Ends of financial years
    ...amongst others.

    Last two season without any season tickets my connection with my club was to pay for Valley Pass.
    I could write here at least a dozen very specific reasons why I think Valley Pass, even at £60, is a total rip off run by inconsistent and self indulgent individuals, in a self indulgent and inconsistent way, so for me that is another £60 saved which is spent now on the ifollow services.

    I have been welded to Charlton Athletic all my life, but now feel so alienated, and indeed hated by my club it leads to despair and feelings of vengeance.

    I'd look for some help if I were you.
  • Sage
    Sage Posts: 7,278
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    Sage said:

    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    Addickted said:

    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    Airman Brown said:

    cafcfan1990 said:

    bigstemarra said:

    Fair point, Ibborg, none of us have a crystal ball.

    As far as I can see, members of Team Oz, such as Muir, appear to have integrity and good judgement based on what they have done in their careers so far - and this is all that we can, and should, judge them on. So, when looking at RD's record with our club, it is unarguable (unless you are a member of one of the other sites, it appears) that RD has been a disaster for our club with a reverse Midas touch. Therefore, it is fair to speculate that he will continue to be one. As such, I want him gone.

    But when it comes to RD or an alternative, I will go for the alternative every time.

    So, as Blackpool so succinctly puts it: 'Roland, just sell the club and....' you can guess the rest.

    Fair point but I have to agree with Ibborg. Just because Roland is such a shit owner doesn’t mean we should just swap him for anybody. Of course even if the replacement is marginally better then it’s progress, but that’s not saying anything because we are nearly at rock bottom.

    All well and good wanting Roland out but no real point if the successors are nearly as bad. I would personally prefer to wait and have the right people in then still be in a shit position.
    How will we know when it’s the “right people”? What will we do to stop others in the meantime?
    Well a good start would be to give a second look at and ask questions of people who. -

    - Don't know / ignore the rules of not owning shares or having interests in more than one football club.

    And who exactly is that?

    Pure supposition and not something that was raised as an issue by my contact at the EFL.

    Okay, so the hold up is purely down to nasty RD because he's so desperate to sell
    That is not what the issue is of what is holding up this takeover, has nothing to do with potential investors and nothing to do with asking price.

    As has been said by many on here time and time again, there are obviously underlining issues that need to be/is being/has been resolved before we can move forward.

    If people think the Aussie’s are slowing things down they’re mad, they’re obviously serious so although they’re patient, if you think they wouldn’t prefer to be in charge of the club running it the way they want to by now, you’re wrong.
    So you don't think it's "mad" that someone is paying over £40 million for Charlton then?

    And the £7 million charge on the club is not the issue, even though it's been said by a few people that it is.

    I don't doubt they want to be running the Club by now so I can't be wrong on
    There is no evidence or proof that we know the exact figure they’re paying for the club, or the structure of the deal. We don’t KNOW anything regarding that. That stuff has not been released to us. We can speculate but we don’t know the ins and outs. It might be £40mil, it might be more like £30mil.

    I also haven’t once said there is not an issue with ex directors loans of the charge on the club. I said there are underlining issues that need to be/is being/has been resolved, that includes the directors loans, but it is also includes other factors that isn’t in the public domain. And quite rightly so when they’re negotiating a takeover, it’s a big deal.

    There’s no point blaming the Aussie’s for the issues that already exist in the club. They’re yet to prove themselves so we have to be naturally cautious, but I think too many have shot them down before really anything has happened. I am not saying you specifically.

    Just they’re our only option right now, the other isn’t worth thinking about, so we should be cautiously optimistic.
  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,886
    thenewbie said:

    alangee said:

    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    alangee said:

    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    alangee said:

    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    Airman Brown said:

    cafcfan1990 said:

    bigstemarra said:

    Fair point, Ibborg, none of us have a crystal ball.

    As far as I can see, members of Team Oz, such as Muir, appear to have integrity and good judgement based on what they have done in their careers so far - and this is all that we can, and should, judge them on. So, when looking at RD's record with our club, it is unarguable (unless you are a member of one of the other sites, it appears) that RD has been a disaster for our club with a reverse Midas touch. Therefore, it is fair to speculate that he will continue to be one. As such, I want him gone.

    But when it comes to RD or an alternative, I will go for the alternative every time.

    So, as Blackpool so succinctly puts it: 'Roland, just sell the club and....' you can guess the rest.

    Fair point but I have to agree with Ibborg. Just because Roland is such a shit owner doesn’t mean we should just swap him for anybody. Of course even if the replacement is marginally better then it’s progress, but that’s not saying anything because we are nearly at rock bottom.

    All well and good wanting Roland out but no real point if the successors are nearly as bad. I would personally prefer to wait and have the right people in then still be in a shit position.
    How will we know when it’s the “right people”? What will we do to stop others in the meantime?
    Well a good start would be to give a second look at and ask questions of people who. -

    - Don't know / ignore the rules of not owning shares or having interests in more than one football club.

    - Get to the point of completion before talking about who is liable for a debt the is equal to nearly 20% of the reported sale price.

    How do you know they didn't know/ignored EFL rules?

    If they have made an offer for clean title of the football club, maybe they were expecting Roland to have settled the outstanding charges before the point of completion.

    This is just an opinion by the way, you seem to be more in th know than me.
    They're both opinions mate and we're both entitled to have them, but don't you think that things like charges on the Club is something that a consortium worth half its salt shoulda picked up on the the opening stages of negotiations? We know what owners are like, who aren't very thorough and don't pick up on such things, we've already got one
    As I said before, perhaps they did and were expecting RD to have settled it before now.
    But then a price cant have been a agreed, even approximate, as no one new who was liable for them. Even more strange
    It is Rolands debt, he accepted the charges, knowingly or otherwise.
    I am presuming unknowingly but the consortium has had enough savvy to avoid that trap and Roland only now realises he had the debt in the first place
    No sympathy whatsoever, it's your problem now Rolly deal with it, swallow your pride, sell up and Foxtrot Oscar.
  • Solidgone
    Solidgone Posts: 10,211
    TellyTubby said:

    Relax everyone, my source tells me that the take over will be announced immediately after Kane lifts the World Cup.

    I will ask him again when he comes out. That will be Wednesday as he only comes out when I drink my gin.

    Is that doctor jimmy or mister Jim?
  • Solidgone
    Solidgone Posts: 10,211
    You says she’s a virgin, I’m the first in,
    Her fella’s gonna kill me, oh fucking will he.

    Love that line.
  • favershamaddick
    favershamaddick Posts: 231
    Solidgone said:

    TellyTubby said:

    Relax everyone, my source tells me that the take over will be announced immediately after Kane lifts the World Cup.

    I will ask him again when he comes out. That will be Wednesday as he only comes out when I drink my gin.

    Is that doctor jimmy or mister Jim?
    They'll take on anyone the Aussies, they ain't scared of a bloody nose.
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    RedChaser said:

    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    RedChaser said:

    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    alangee said:

    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    Airman Brown said:

    cafcfan1990 said:

    bigstemarra said:

    Fair point, Ibborg, none of us have a crystal ball.

    As far as I can see, members of Team Oz, such as Muir, appear to have integrity and good judgement based on what they have done in their careers so far - and this is all that we can, and should, judge them on. So, when looking at RD's record with our club, it is unarguable (unless you are a member of one of the other sites, it appears) that RD has been a disaster for our club with a reverse Midas touch. Therefore, it is fair to speculate that he will continue to be one. As such, I want him gone.

    But when it comes to RD or an alternative, I will go for the alternative every time.

    So, as Blackpool so succinctly puts it: 'Roland, just sell the club and....' you can guess the rest.

    Fair point but I have to agree with Ibborg. Just because Roland is such a shit owner doesn’t mean we should just swap him for anybody. Of course even if the replacement is marginally better then it’s progress, but that’s not saying anything because we are nearly at rock bottom.

    All well and good wanting Roland out but no real point if the successors are nearly as bad. I would personally prefer to wait and have the right people in then still be in a shit position.
    How will we know when it’s the “right people”? What will we do to stop others in the meantime?
    Well a good start would be to give a second look at and ask questions of people who. -

    - Don't know / ignore the rules of not owning shares or having interests in more than one football club.

    - Get to the point of completion before talking about who is liable for a debt the is equal to nearly 20% of the reported sale price.

    How do you know they didn't know/ignored EFL rules?

    If they have made an offer for clean title of the football club, maybe they were expecting Roland to have settled the outstanding charges before the point of completion.

    This is just an opinion by the way, you seem to be more in th know than me.
    They're both opinions mate and we're both entitled to have them, but don't you think that things like charges on the Club is something that a consortium worth half its salt shoulda picked up on the the opening stages of negotiations? We know what owners are like, who aren't very thorough and don't pick up on such things, we've already got one
    Rob, if I was buying Charlton why on earth would I not expect to get a clean title on the business and its property I was buying! No way can this issue be put at the Aussies door imo. Sorry mate but your barking up the wrong tree.
    So why is everyone slagging RD off for suposing it werent his debt when he took over?
    Sorry mate you've lost me, he bought the club without doing proper and thorough DD. His problem he needs to sort it if he wants to sell the club or am I being unreasonable?
    I totally agree that it's his problem, but I've not said anything to the contrary. But it ain't helping our cause much is it


  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,886
    edited July 2018
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    RedChaser said:

    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    RedChaser said:

    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    alangee said:

    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    Airman Brown said:

    cafcfan1990 said:

    bigstemarra said:

    Fair point, Ibborg, none of us have a crystal ball.

    As far as I can see, members of Team Oz, such as Muir, appear to have integrity and good judgement based on what they have done in their careers so far - and this is all that we can, and should, judge them on. So, when looking at RD's record with our club, it is unarguable (unless you are a member of one of the other sites, it appears) that RD has been a disaster for our club with a reverse Midas touch. Therefore, it is fair to speculate that he will continue to be one. As such, I want him gone.

    But when it comes to RD or an alternative, I will go for the alternative every time.

    So, as Blackpool so succinctly puts it: 'Roland, just sell the club and....' you can guess the rest.

    Fair point but I have to agree with Ibborg. Just because Roland is such a shit owner doesn’t mean we should just swap him for anybody. Of course even if the replacement is marginally better then it’s progress, but that’s not saying anything because we are nearly at rock bottom.

    All well and good wanting Roland out but no real point if the successors are nearly as bad. I would personally prefer to wait and have the right people in then still be in a shit position.
    How will we know when it’s the “right people”? What will we do to stop others in the meantime?
    Well a good start would be to give a second look at and ask questions of people who. -

    - Don't know / ignore the rules of not owning shares or having interests in more than one football club.

    - Get to the point of completion before talking about who is liable for a debt the is equal to nearly 20% of the reported sale price.

    How do you know they didn't know/ignored EFL rules?

    If they have made an offer for clean title of the football club, maybe they were expecting Roland to have settled the outstanding charges before the point of completion.

    This is just an opinion by the way, you seem to be more in th know than me.
    They're both opinions mate and we're both entitled to have them, but don't you think that things like charges on the Club is something that a consortium worth half its salt shoulda picked up on the the opening stages of negotiations? We know what owners are like, who aren't very thorough and don't pick up on such things, we've already got one
    Rob, if I was buying Charlton why on earth would I not expect to get a clean title on the business and its property I was buying! No way can this issue be put at the Aussies door imo. Sorry mate but your barking up the wrong tree.
    So why is everyone slagging RD off for suposing it werent his debt when he took over?
    Sorry mate you've lost me, he bought the club without doing proper and thorough DD. His problem he needs to sort it if he wants to sell the club or am I being unreasonable?
    I totally agree that it's his problem, but I've not said anything to the contrary. But it ain't helping our cause much is it


    Nothing you or I can do about it, all will be revealed in due course hopefully but for now I'm not inclined to diss our apparent only lifeline.
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    RedChaser said:

    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    RedChaser said:

    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    RedChaser said:

    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    alangee said:

    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    Airman Brown said:

    cafcfan1990 said:

    bigstemarra said:

    Fair point, Ibborg, none of us have a crystal ball.

    As far as I can see, members of Team Oz, such as Muir, appear to have integrity and good judgement based on what they have done in their careers so far - and this is all that we can, and should, judge them on. So, when looking at RD's record with our club, it is unarguable (unless you are a member of one of the other sites, it appears) that RD has been a disaster for our club with a reverse Midas touch. Therefore, it is fair to speculate that he will continue to be one. As such, I want him gone.

    But when it comes to RD or an alternative, I will go for the alternative every time.

    So, as Blackpool so succinctly puts it: 'Roland, just sell the club and....' you can guess the rest.

    Fair point but I have to agree with Ibborg. Just because Roland is such a shit owner doesn’t mean we should just swap him for anybody. Of course even if the replacement is marginally better then it’s progress, but that’s not saying anything because we are nearly at rock bottom.

    All well and good wanting Roland out but no real point if the successors are nearly as bad. I would personally prefer to wait and have the right people in then still be in a shit position.
    How will we know when it’s the “right people”? What will we do to stop others in the meantime?
    Well a good start would be to give a second look at and ask questions of people who. -

    - Don't know / ignore the rules of not owning shares or having interests in more than one football club.

    - Get to the point of completion before talking about who is liable for a debt the is equal to nearly 20% of the reported sale price.

    How do you know they didn't know/ignored EFL rules?

    If they have made an offer for clean title of the football club, maybe they were expecting Roland to have settled the outstanding charges before the point of completion.

    This is just an opinion by the way, you seem to be more in th know than me.
    They're both opinions mate and we're both entitled to have them, but don't you think that things like charges on the Club is something that a consortium worth half its salt shoulda picked up on the the opening stages of negotiations? We know what owners are like, who aren't very thorough and don't pick up on such things, we've already got one
    Rob, if I was buying Charlton why on earth would I not expect to get a clean title on the business and its property I was buying! No way can this issue be put at the Aussies door imo. Sorry mate but your barking up the wrong tree.
    So why is everyone slagging RD off for suposing it werent his debt when he took over?
    Sorry mate you've lost me, he bought the club without doing proper and thorough DD. His problem he needs to sort it if he wants to sell the club or am I being unreasonable?
    I totally agree that it's his problem, but I've not said anything to the contrary. But it ain't helping our cause much is it


    Nothing you or I can do about it, all will be revealed in due course hopefully but for now I'm not inclined to diss our apparent only lifeline.
    I just can't understand that mentality of potentially moving the problem down the line, IF we even survive to a another take over, should these turn out to be cack like RD.

    That's why I'm asking the questions.....
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