I accept that if the words spoken to him were offensive then he is entitled to feel outraged. Hopefully it will be dealt with properly by AFC Wimbledon.
I get that football is emotional, tensions run high and that in the heat of the battle things will be said and done that might be regretted later.
However, he has to control that emotion better. I'm sure people know that he gets wound up and therefore he is an easy target for those who enjoy seeing others act in a stupid way.
This didn't happen in a club or pub after hours. It happened while he was working and in the public eye.
I've been abused and insulted at work. My job is incredibly important to me and I put a hell of a lot of emotion into it.
But I have to retain my professional integrity. I have to respond in a way that justifies the position I hold and the money I earn. My response has to represent the status I have in my organisation.
He should have dealt with it better.
There is a subtext here. Football is a weird game with lots of subplots and many illogical facets. Abuse from the terraces - occasionally vile and sickening - is alas part and parcel of the game and managers learn to deal with it - when that abuse is delivered on the pitch by a presumably paid representative of the opposition then a line has been crossed. KR recognised this and acted accordingly - it didn't look great but nor did it look disastrous - I suggest we all focus on the next game
I accept that if the words spoken to him were offensive then he is entitled to feel outraged. Hopefully it will be dealt with properly by AFC Wimbledon.
I get that football is emotional, tensions run high and that in the heat of the battle things will be said and done that might be regretted later.
However, he has to control that emotion better. I'm sure people know that he gets wound up and therefore he is an easy target for those who enjoy seeing others act in a stupid way.
This didn't happen in a club or pub after hours. It happened while he was working and in the public eye.
I've been abused and insulted at work. My job is incredibly important to me and I put a hell of a lot of emotion into it.
But I have to retain my professional integrity. I have to respond in a way that justifies the position I hold and the money I earn. My response has to represent the status I have in my organisation.
He should have dealt with it better.
Whilst I agree with much of what you say he is still pretty young.....many of these more mature actions only come to some a bit later in their lives. I can think of many a manager (some who have gone on to prove themselves on the world stage), who have done far worse than KR's silly little 'handbags' spat yesterday. Just for one, I give you the much loved and admired Brian Clough and on several occasions too!
Mattaddick and Soundas I agree with some of your points.
I just think we accept certain behaviour in football and justify it.
Football seems to breed petulant people. Regardless of age and experience (Bilic yesterday for example or much of what Wenger and Mourinho do) he should do better.
In 'real life' there are people who go to work to do a job and get much worse than what Robinson got. The paramedic attending to an injured person whilst pissed up idiots abuse them. The nurse in A and E who gets insults aimed at her. I could go on.
If this is the 'passion' people want from Robinson then fine.
But football is a high pressure situation and emotions do run high. I'd be willing to bet he wouldn't react the same way if it was on the street. You can't always apply the "in the real world" to football or many other professional sports. I wonder how many of us have reacted on an amateur pitch to something we'd shrug our shoulders at elsewhere?
Yes he shouldn't have reacted and he knows that but let's not try and overplay and take the moral high ground over this. It was a nothing really.
Some things said in fhus thread are truly laughable. Robinson reacted like 99% of people would in football having conceded such a late equaliser and being confronted. I love Chris powell to pieces but I'm sure he was sent to the stands on a few occasions so if people are saying he wouldn't react to similar words said then think again
I accept that if the words spoken to him were offensive then he is entitled to feel outraged. Hopefully it will be dealt with properly by AFC Wimbledon.
I get that football is emotional, tensions run high and that in the heat of the battle things will be said and done that might be regretted later.
However, he has to control that emotion better. I'm sure people know that he gets wound up and therefore he is an easy target for those who enjoy seeing others act in a stupid way.
This didn't happen in a club or pub after hours. It happened while he was working and in the public eye.
I've been abused and insulted at work. My job is incredibly important to me and I put a hell of a lot of emotion into it.
But I have to retain my professional integrity. I have to respond in a way that justifies the position I hold and the money I earn. My response has to represent the status I have in my organisation.
He should have dealt with it better.
Do you have people chanting that you're a c*** and hurling abuse at you for 2 hours straight whilst at your work? Doubt it.
Professional sports isn't directly relatable to almost any other job on earth
Afc Wimbledon have no choice but to sack the groundsman. His behaviour was disgusting. He shouldn't have been on the pitch until the players and officials left the field of play
What did he actually say or do? I haven't seen it reported anywhere. Do you know?
At the end of the match, who has more right to be on the pitch: the groundsman or the manager? I can't remember the last time I saw a game when the groundsmen waited patiently until the last player has left the playing area before starting work in the pitch.
I was sitting (on my hands) in Block D, by the 'lounge' entrance, and heard some muffled verbals from Dons staff on the touchline as the players/officials etc walked off. The fans were still seething at the ref from the lack of red for Holmes first half tackle, but something was shouted at KR by a ground-staff person walking onto the pitch, which prompted KR to lunge towards him with a collar-grab motion. Contact was made, then what passed for stewards got them apart.
I accept that if the words spoken to him were offensive then he is entitled to feel outraged. Hopefully it will be dealt with properly by AFC Wimbledon.
I get that football is emotional, tensions run high and that in the heat of the battle things will be said and done that might be regretted later.
However, he has to control that emotion better. I'm sure people know that he gets wound up and therefore he is an easy target for those who enjoy seeing others act in a stupid way.
This didn't happen in a club or pub after hours. It happened while he was working and in the public eye.
I've been abused and insulted at work. My job is incredibly important to me and I put a hell of a lot of emotion into it.
But I have to retain my professional integrity. I have to respond in a way that justifies the position I hold and the money I earn. My response has to represent the status I have in my organisation.
He should have dealt with it better.
Do you have people chanting that you're a c*** and hurling abuse at you for 2 hours straight whilst at your work? Doubt it.
Professional sports isn't directly relatable to almost any other job on earth
I get abuse at work. I get sworn at. I've been threatened.
My job has its own frustrations and difficulties. As I said before though it is an environment I've been in for a long time and so I have to learn to deal with it however wrong it is, in a way that is proper.
Robinson has every right to feel as angry as he does. I just question the approach he took. Professional sport is a hotbed of emotion. I get that. But he has been around for a long time so knows the score.
Footballers and managers get away with a hell of a lot. They can act in a way that other performers in other sports cannot. And it gets excused too often.
I don't post very often, but this all reminds me of when Bob peeters tried kicking off with rosler not so long ago, I could be wrong but the reaction to that from our fans was not half as bad as this, even tho it was very similar. Possibly because that time it was us getting the points
He was annoyed, the bloke wound him up and he reacted. He shouldn't have but it is football. Anybody who has played or coached this great game will understand how that happens.
That banner was wrong and should've been removed immediately. How long was it up for?
Fewer than 2 or 3 minutes. However, it disappeared after their goal.
It seemed like It was up for a lot longer than that. I would have said closer to 5-10 mins. It was passed along, displayed and seemed to go down a bit and held up again.
That banner was wrong and should've been removed immediately. How long was it up for?
Fewer than 2 or 3 minutes. However, it disappeared after their goal.
It seemed like It was up for a lot longer than that. I would have said closer to 5-10 mins. It was passed along, displayed and seemed to go down a bit and held up again.
Yep that's correct. 5 minutes minimum But rather than take offence i actually laughed
Curious as to why the "Robinson: Fans will never accept our owner but he wants success" thread was moved to 'Members Only' after I posted a reply to Fanny.
Curious as to why the "Robinson: Fans will never accept our owner but he wants success" thread was moved to 'Members Only' after I posted a reply to Fanny.
Curious as to why the "Robinson: Fans will never accept our owner but he wants success" thread was moved to 'Members Only' after I posted a reply to Fanny.
Just leave it mate
Leave what? It was moved there. That's why I asked. Now its back. What is the matter with some of you people?
That banner was wrong and should've been removed immediately. How long was it up for?
Fewer than 2 or 3 minutes. However, it disappeared after their goal.
It seemed like It was up for a lot longer than that. I would have said closer to 5-10 mins. It was passed along, displayed and seemed to go down a bit and held up again.
Yep that's correct. 5 minutes minimum But rather than take offence i actually laughed
Curious as to why the "Robinson: Fans will never accept our owner but he wants success" thread was moved to 'Members Only' after I posted a reply to Fanny.
Just leave it mate
What is the matter with some of you people?
Please be more specific. I occasionally get claustrophobic. Hope that helps.
I think it's quite simple and my advice for him would be that you earn respect and trust and particularly in the case of our club at the moment he hasn't really gone about it the right way.
Be humble. Represent yourself and our club properly and people will give him respect and maybe even time.
Don't come across as a self publicist or regime apologist. Don't spend too much time on the radio or in the newspapers. Show us that you're only focus is bettering our club, squad and team.
Recognise that as the experienced, British based manager many of us have been calling for that you have a great opportunity to enhance ours and your own reputation.
So, quieten down a bit. Spend less time pontificating and procrastinating. Focus on the football and improving the 25% win rate and walk the walk before talking the talk.
Then you might be on to something.
Sounds like Slade to me and the results were the same!
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I can think of many a manager (some who have gone on to prove themselves on the world stage), who have done far worse than KR's silly little 'handbags' spat yesterday.
Just for one, I give you the much loved and admired Brian Clough and on several occasions too!
I just think we accept certain behaviour in football and justify it.
Football seems to breed petulant people. Regardless of age and experience (Bilic yesterday for example or much of what Wenger and Mourinho do) he should do better.
In 'real life' there are people who go to work to do a job and get much worse than what Robinson got. The paramedic attending to an injured person whilst pissed up idiots abuse them. The nurse in A and E who gets insults aimed at her. I could go on.
If this is the 'passion' people want from Robinson then fine.
Yes he shouldn't have reacted and he knows that but let's not try and overplay and take the moral high ground over this. It was a nothing really.
Last week Rosler was called all sorts of things on here for showing what Fleetwood fans would no doubt see as "passion".
I think the banner was OTT and the groundsman action the same but I'm still more annoyed about the equaliser.
Professional sports isn't directly relatable to almost any other job on earth
At the end of the match, who has more right to be on the pitch: the groundsman or the manager? I can't remember the last time I saw a game when the groundsmen waited patiently until the last player has left the playing area before starting work in the pitch.
My job has its own frustrations and difficulties. As I said before though it is an environment I've been in for a long time and so I have to learn to deal with it however wrong it is, in a way that is proper.
Robinson has every right to feel as angry as he does. I just question the approach he took. Professional sport is a hotbed of emotion. I get that. But he has been around for a long time so knows the score.
Footballers and managers get away with a hell of a lot. They can act in a way that other performers in other sports cannot. And it gets excused too often.
Him and squirrel face must get on very well.
5 minutes minimum
But rather than take offence i actually laughed
I occasionally get claustrophobic.
Hope that helps.
Mirror saying it was a remark about his family