Don't stay in London often, but i stayed in Woolwich last weekend (Travelodge) when i was catching up with some old Charlton buddies whom i hadn't seen for nigh on 15 months.
Before i went out for the afternoon/evening as i was going to be home late, i only took out enough money for the day and left my train pass and phone and wallet in the room before i went out. mainly due to the dodgy looking characters hanging about Powis Street during the day.
Sad times when you have to think and act accordingly.
A proper Charlton William Wallace moment.
"You can take our cash - but you'll never take our Train Pass!"
Don't stay in London often, but i stayed in Woolwich last weekend (Travelodge) when i was catching up with some old Charlton buddies whom i hadn't seen for nigh on 15 months.
Before i went out for the afternoon/evening as i was going to be home late, i only took out enough money for the day and left my train pass and phone and wallet in the room before i went out. mainly due to the dodgy looking characters hanging about Powis Street during the day.
Sad times when you have to think and act accordingly.
A proper Charlton William Wallace moment.
"You can take our cash - but you'll never take our Train Pass!"
I hope Chippy avoids Croydon - crime figures there are far worse.
Don't stay in London often, but i stayed in Woolwich last weekend (Travelodge) when i was catching up with some old Charlton buddies whom i hadn't seen for nigh on 15 months.
Before i went out for the afternoon/evening as i was going to be home late, i only took out enough money for the day and left my train pass and phone and wallet in the room before i went out. mainly due to the dodgy looking characters hanging about Powis Street during the day.
Sad times when you have to think and act accordingly.
A proper Charlton William Wallace moment.
"You can take our cash - but you'll never take our Train Pass!"
I hope Chippy avoids Croydon - crime figures there are far worse.
"You can take our cash - but you'll never take our Tram Pass!"
A mate of mine who has lived in Cornwall for the past 25 years recently visited Woolwich for the first time since leaving. In his words ‘ I’ve never felt so uncomfortable & more at risk ever, never coming back! ‘ Not the area we both grew up in!
Did he think it wouldn't have changed in the last 25 years?
Don't stay in London often, but i stayed in Woolwich last weekend (Travelodge) when i was catching up with some old Charlton buddies whom i hadn't seen for nigh on 15 months.
Before i went out for the afternoon/evening as i was going to be home late, i only took out enough money for the day and left my train pass and phone and wallet in the room before i went out. mainly due to the dodgy looking characters hanging about Powis Street during the day.
Sad times when you have to think and act accordingly.
A proper Charlton William Wallace moment.
"You can take our cash - but you'll never take our Train Pass!"
Train pass was to ensure i got home seeing as i travelled over 80 miles to be there. As a good Samaritan i am sure you wouldn't have been around to offer your services to give me a lift home.
Don't stay in London often, but i stayed in Woolwich last weekend (Travelodge) when i was catching up with some old Charlton buddies whom i hadn't seen for nigh on 15 months.
Before i went out for the afternoon/evening as i was going to be home late, i only took out enough money for the day and left my train pass and phone and wallet in the room before i went out. mainly due to the dodgy looking characters hanging about Powis Street during the day.
Sad times when you have to think and act accordingly.
A proper Charlton William Wallace moment.
"You can take our cash - but you'll never take our Train Pass!"
I hope Chippy avoids Croydon - crime figures there are far worse.
I do, much better class of people out here in the sticks too.
A mate of mine who has lived in Cornwall for the past 25 years recently visited Woolwich for the first time since leaving. In his words ‘ I’ve never felt so uncomfortable & more at risk ever, never coming back! ‘ Not the area we both grew up in!
I regularly cycle through Woolwich, shop in Woolwich and use the cafes in and around Powis St. It seems the same to me as most of inner London. I don’t feel afraid to be there at all.
I’ve known Woolwich for decades and it’s never been a place I’ve been worried about my safety.
Don't stay in London often, but i stayed in Woolwich last weekend (Travelodge) when i was catching up with some old Charlton buddies whom i hadn't seen for nigh on 15 months.
Before i went out for the afternoon/evening as i was going to be home late, i only took out enough money for the day and left my train pass and phone and wallet in the room before i went out. mainly due to the dodgy looking characters hanging about Powis Street during the day.
Sad times when you have to think and act accordingly.
A proper Charlton William Wallace moment.
"You can take our cash - but you'll never take our Train Pass!"
I hope Chippy avoids Croydon - crime figures there are far worse.
I do, much better class of people out here in the sticks too.
A mate of mine who has lived in Cornwall for the past 25 years recently visited Woolwich for the first time since leaving. In his words ‘ I’ve never felt so uncomfortable & more at risk ever, never coming back! ‘ Not the area we both grew up in!
I regularly cycle through Woolwich, shop in Woolwich and use the cafes in and around Powis St. It seems the same to me as most of inner London. I don’t feel afraid to be there at all.
I’ve known Woolwich for decades and it’s never been a place I’ve been worried about my safety.
The constant negativity by some on here about Woolwich does get a bit tedious. Woolwich is like many inner city areas as far as I can see - I never feel particularly worried when I'm there.
A mate of mine who has lived in Cornwall for the past 25 years recently visited Woolwich for the first time since leaving. In his words ‘ I’ve never felt so uncomfortable & more at risk ever, never coming back! ‘ Not the area we both grew up in!
I regularly cycle through Woolwich, shop in Woolwich and use the cafes in and around Powis St. It seems the same to me as most of inner London. I don’t feel afraid to be there at all.
I’ve known Woolwich for decades and it’s never been a place I’ve been worried about my safety.
The constant negativity by some on here about Woolwich does get a bit tedious. Woolwich is like many inner city areas as far as I can see - I never feel particularly worried when I'm there.
Woolwich is fine much of the time until school students arrive mid afternoon. The same is true of Bexleyheath and many other towns.
The real problems owe much to Greenwich Council for using shops as offices for too many years, then accepting a new Civic Centre from Tesco in return for a large store that wrecked the trade of other shops in Powis Street and Hare Street and finally allowing the retail park at Charlton to grow significantly.
Insisting on retail units under housing units away from the shopping streets is plain stupid. They've now agreed a school can go into one next to the Town Hall with no outside space for the kids.
A decent retail development is needed. Not just big stores but better premises. They're can't be many town centres where the Starbucks has closed.
I can't see why the above means 14/15 year olds go round murdering each other. There's not massive retail development in much of Cornwall for example, but I've not heard that the local kids go round murdering each other.
Many times the council have been responsible for some shocking decision. Always feel ok in Woolwich, but i am a "big old boy" with an old "f@^k off face! Mrs feel uncomfortable during the afternoons in Woolwich, Most times the kids are noisy and boisterous but generally good natured, but 1or 2 turn up who look like trouble.
I’ve never felt uncomfortable in Woolwich during daylight hours but on the odd occasions I’ve got off the train or DLR there at night then it’s not quite the same feeling. I suppose that’s the same in pretty much every town centre after dark.
I can't see why the above means 14/15 year olds go round murdering each other. There's not massive retail development in much of Cornwall for example, but I've not heard that the local kids go round murdering each other.
Mainly because there is no scope for jobs locally for school leavers. Many of the premises are currently bookies and charity shops.
I was in Lower Edmonton earlier in the week. Similar in many ways to Woolwich but it has a thriving shopping centre incorporating a lot of market stalls.
I can't see why the above means 14/15 year olds go round murdering each other. There's not massive retail development in much of Cornwall for example, but I've not heard that the local kids go round murdering each other.
Mainly because there is no scope for jobs locally for school leavers. Many of the premises are currently bookies and charity shops.
I was in Lower Edmonton earlier in the week. Similar in many ways to Woolwich but it has a thriving shopping centre incorporating a lot of market stalls.
None of which gives any explanation as to why school age kids are murdering each other.
Do people seriously think a few nicer shops would make these kids give up the gangsta lifestyle, or would it just give them somewhere else to rob?
One of the poorest, most deprived and under-represented communities in London is the Bangladeshi community in Tower Hamlets. Sure, they have lots of problems, but you don't hear of their kids constantly murdering each other. I've no idea why that is, but it isn't because they have more nice shops.
I can't see why the above means 14/15 year olds go round murdering each other. There's not massive retail development in much of Cornwall for example, but I've not heard that the local kids go round murdering each other.
Mainly because there is no scope for jobs locally for school leavers. Many of the premises are currently bookies and charity shops.
I was in Lower Edmonton earlier in the week. Similar in many ways to Woolwich but it has a thriving shopping centre incorporating a lot of market stalls.
None of which gives any explanation as to why school age kids are murdering each other.
Do people seriously think a few nicer shops would make these kids give up the gangsta lifestyle, or would it just give them somewhere else to rob?
One of the poorest, most deprived and under-represented communities in London is the Bangladeshi community in Tower Hamlets. Sure, they have lots of problems, but you don't hear of their kids constantly murdering each other. I've no idea why that is, but it isn't because they have more nice shops.
Tower Hamlets has loads of knife crime and has it's fair share of murders. This was from a patrol just the other day
I can't see why the above means 14/15 year olds go round murdering each other. There's not massive retail development in much of Cornwall for example, but I've not heard that the local kids go round murdering each other.
Mainly because there is no scope for jobs locally for school leavers. Many of the premises are currently bookies and charity shops.
I was in Lower Edmonton earlier in the week. Similar in many ways to Woolwich but it has a thriving shopping centre incorporating a lot of market stalls.
None of which gives any explanation as to why school age kids are murdering each other.
Do people seriously think a few nicer shops would make these kids give up the gangsta lifestyle, or would it just give them somewhere else to rob?
One of the poorest, most deprived and under-represented communities in London is the Bangladeshi community in Tower Hamlets. Sure, they have lots of problems, but you don't hear of their kids constantly murdering each other. I've no idea why that is, but it isn't because they have more nice shops.
Tower Hamlets has loads of knife crime and has it's fair share of murders. This was from a patrol just the other day
It beggars belief that weapons like there can be bought in this country. Surely they are illegal and if so how can customs not spot them entering the country.
I can't see why the above means 14/15 year olds go round murdering each other. There's not massive retail development in much of Cornwall for example, but I've not heard that the local kids go round murdering each other.
Mainly because there is no scope for jobs locally for school leavers. Many of the premises are currently bookies and charity shops.
I was in Lower Edmonton earlier in the week. Similar in many ways to Woolwich but it has a thriving shopping centre incorporating a lot of market stalls.
None of which gives any explanation as to why school age kids are murdering each other.
Do people seriously think a few nicer shops would make these kids give up the gangsta lifestyle, or would it just give them somewhere else to rob?
One of the poorest, most deprived and under-represented communities in London is the Bangladeshi community in Tower Hamlets. Sure, they have lots of problems, but you don't hear of their kids constantly murdering each other. I've no idea why that is, but it isn't because they have more nice shops.
The thread is about Woolwich not just knife crime. Any afternoon you will see groups of school kids gathering around the town centre. No Police activity most days. Older youths can be seen with them. It appears they may be recruiting for gangs.
Money is to be spent on improvements in the area. Hopefully it will make it an easier space to control.
I can't see why the above means 14/15 year olds go round murdering each other. There's not massive retail development in much of Cornwall for example, but I've not heard that the local kids go round murdering each other.
Mainly because there is no scope for jobs locally for school leavers. Many of the premises are currently bookies and charity shops.
I was in Lower Edmonton earlier in the week. Similar in many ways to Woolwich but it has a thriving shopping centre incorporating a lot of market stalls.
None of which gives any explanation as to why school age kids are murdering each other.
Do people seriously think a few nicer shops would make these kids give up the gangsta lifestyle, or would it just give them somewhere else to rob?
One of the poorest, most deprived and under-represented communities in London is the Bangladeshi community in Tower Hamlets. Sure, they have lots of problems, but you don't hear of their kids constantly murdering each other. I've no idea why that is, but it isn't because they have more nice shops.
Tower Hamlets has loads of knife crime and has it's fair share of murders. This was from a patrol just the other day
It beggars belief that weapons like there can be bought in this country. Surely they are illegal and if so how can customs not spot them entering the country.
My missus went out in Woolwich last night with all her workmates. Had a nice time, with zero incidents. True story.
I dont think the issue is that Woolwich is OK to go out and have a meal or some drinks, like you say that's fine. But there is an issue. It's an elephant in the room that people won't discuss because it's not politically correct. And for those saying Woolwich is inner city fck me, it really isn't. Gentrification of inner city areas plus housing benefit caps have purposely pushed people out of the inner city. Woolwich and other areas are affordable so therefore inner city problems move there. Deptford, Peckham, Elephant, Bermondsey families have been pushed out and priced out. The problem just gets pushed to new areas and never solved.
My missus went out in Woolwich last night with all her workmates. Had a nice time, with zero incidents. True story.
I dont think the issue is that Woolwich is OK to go out and have a meal or some drinks, like you say that's fine. But there is an issue. It's an elephant in the room that people won't discuss because it's not politically correct. And for those saying Woolwich is inner city fck me, it really isn't. Gentrification of inner city areas plus housing benefit caps have purposely pushed people out of the inner city. Woolwich and other areas are affordable so therefore inner city problems move there. Deptford, Peckham, Elephant, Bermondsey families have been pushed out and priced out. The problem just gets pushed to new areas and never solved.
There are still problems in all of the areas you've mentioned - there is crime across London. Cities have had more crime since the beginning of time - you might keep a lid on it but it will never disappear.
One thing that might help in a lot of areas is people stop supporting the drug trade.
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"You can take our cash - but you'll never take our Train Pass!"
Two more teenage boys have been arrested on suspicion of murder over the fatal stabbing of a 15-year-old in south-east London.
Tamim Ian Habimana was killed by a single stab wound on Woolwich New Road, Woolwich, on Monday.
Two boys aged 14 and 15 were arrested on suspicion of murder on Friday. A 15-year-old was arrested on Thursday on suspicion of murder.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-57788287
The real problems owe much to Greenwich Council for using shops as offices for too many years, then accepting a new Civic Centre from Tesco in return for a large store that wrecked the trade of other shops in Powis Street and Hare Street and finally allowing the retail park at Charlton to grow significantly.
Insisting on retail units under housing units away from the shopping streets is plain stupid. They've now agreed a school can go into one next to the Town Hall with no outside space for the kids.
A decent retail development is needed. Not just big stores but better premises. They're can't be many town centres where the Starbucks has closed.
There's not massive retail development in much of Cornwall for example, but I've not heard that the local kids go round murdering each other.
Always feel ok in Woolwich, but i am a "big old boy" with an old "f@^k off face!
Mrs feel uncomfortable during the afternoons in Woolwich, Most times the kids are noisy and boisterous but generally good natured, but 1or 2 turn up who look like trouble.
I was in Lower Edmonton earlier in the week. Similar in many ways to Woolwich but it has a thriving shopping centre incorporating a lot of market stalls.
Do people seriously think a few nicer shops would make these kids give up the gangsta lifestyle, or would it just give them somewhere else to rob?
One of the poorest, most deprived and under-represented communities in London is the Bangladeshi community in Tower Hamlets. Sure, they have lots of problems, but you don't hear of their kids constantly murdering each other. I've no idea why that is, but it isn't because they have more nice shops.
Surely they are illegal and if so how can customs not spot them entering the country.
Money is to be spent on improvements in the area. Hopefully it will make it an easier space to control.
But there is an issue.
It's an elephant in the room that people won't discuss because it's not politically correct.
And for those saying Woolwich is inner city fck me, it really isn't.
Gentrification of inner city areas plus housing benefit caps have purposely pushed people out of the inner city. Woolwich and other areas are affordable so therefore inner city problems move there.
Deptford, Peckham, Elephant, Bermondsey families have been pushed out and priced out. The problem just gets pushed to new areas and never solved.
One thing that might help in a lot of areas is people stop supporting the drug trade.
The Great Harry is not in the village and sadly closes for good on 7 August.
The Half Way House again is not in the village.