Are Leipzig so hated over there simply because RB are foreign?
I don't recall similar hatred and protests aimed at Wolfsburg (funded by Volkswagen), Ingolstadt (funded by Audi), Hoffenheim (funded by a german software guy) and Leverkusen (funded by Bayer).
Personally if i was German, i'd have thought any club that could potentially rise up and challenge Bayern Munich was a good thing.
As far as I understand, Hoffenheim are unpopular in Germany.
The others are historic ties to local companies
That's all correct.
Unlike us lot, who just go weak at the knees in the face of money (real or imagined) the German fans are both proud and protective of their 50 plus 1 ownership system, and they see Hoffenheim as a direct threat to it. Whenever somebody uppity like the owner of Hannover 96 (or at least 49% of it)) tries to get the rule changed, furious and impressive protests break out all round the Bundesliga.
RB are especially hated because they flout their contempt for the rule.
I am also curious who their 30,000 fans are, since the original Lokomotiv Leipzig, once a frequent competitor in Europe, is still going, and were beaten by Jean last week. True fans support them. Looks like RB fans are plastics.
Interesting that they claim the chap was here on behalf of RB Leipzig, to look at Lookman. I could understand looking at Bauer, but it seems quite rare for a young English player to go straight abroad.. doesn't it?
That would at least suggest that the clubs under Red Bull's control are staffed and scouted correctly.. Unfortunately, I think an acquisition from Red Bull would result in some cringey American-isms and quite a few gimmicks, albeit well funded American-isms and gimmicks!
You realise that Red Bull is Austrian?
I didn't actually.
As far as their marketing is concerned, and purchasing a football club is going to be part of their marketing strategy, they always seemed very "American". I guess I was trying to say we'd become something of a US-style franchise club.
But Manchester City are still called Manchester City, still play at the same stadium (they had moved before the takeover) still play in light blue and the owners have invested heavily in not just the first team but the academy and the local area.
Chelsea are still Chelsea ie same ground, name, shirts, up themselves tossers.
The real difference is that they both now win a lot of trophies. 1969 and 1955 were their last league wins prior to the current owners.
I'd be happy with what Man City have.
Red Bull is quite different but they aren't buying us as far as we know and I doubt we fit their profile anyway.
Realistically if RD wanted to sell then those buying a shit League One club with a relatively small current profile are going to want to have an angle you would think.
Football in the UK has changed monumentally in the last 15 years or so. It is just not viable outside the PL and at some point in the next 5-10 years I reckon that promotion/relegation from the PL will either be stopped or effectively be made redundant by debtless teams being relegated with ridiculous parachute payments making their promotion back again a near formality unless one of the worlds Multi Billionaires wants to chuck silly money at a Championship club; but I think this billionaire boat will sale soon as they realise it is becoming an ever more impossible dream.
Therefore taking a chance with someone like this who would invest and give us a chance has, IMO, got to be better than several more years of slow death, dwindling attendance, poor football etc under RD until he croaks it and no one else is around to pick up the mantle.
Realistically if RD wanted to sell then those buying a shit League One club with a relatively small current profile are going to want to have an angle you would think.
Football in the UK has changed monumentally in the last 15 years or so. It is just not viable outside the PL and at some point in the next 5-10 years I reckon that promotion/relegation from the PL will either be stopped or effectively be made redundant by debtless teams being relegated with ridiculous parachute payments making their promotion back again a near formality unless one of the worlds Multi Billionaires wants to chuck silly money at a Championship club; but I think this billionaire boat will sale soon as they realise it is becoming an ever more impossible dream.
Therefore taking a chance with someone like this who would invest and give us a chance has, IMO, got to be better than several more years of slow death, dwindling attendance, poor football etc under RD until he croaks it and no one else is around to pick up the mantle.
Pah, sod that, wanting the best available players per tier, best manager per tier, a genuine promotion expectancy and improvement every year until we become a top six side and European football.
Realistically if RD wanted to sell then those buying a shit League One club with a relatively small current profile are going to want to have an angle you would think.
Football in the UK has changed monumentally in the last 15 years or so. It is just not viable outside the PL and at some point in the next 5-10 years I reckon that promotion/relegation from the PL will either be stopped or effectively be made redundant by debtless teams being relegated with ridiculous parachute payments making their promotion back again a near formality unless one of the worlds Multi Billionaires wants to chuck silly money at a Championship club; but I think this billionaire boat will sale soon as they realise it is becoming an ever more impossible dream.
Therefore taking a chance with someone like this who would invest and give us a chance has, IMO, got to be better than several more years of slow death, dwindling attendance, poor football etc under RD until he croaks it and no one else is around to pick up the mantle.
I don't necessarily agree with your conclusion re: Red Bull, but the rest of what you said is very articulate and very important.
What do we expect from out next owners? Who will these white knights be? And what will their angle be?
The English game has changed drastically, and I disagree, I actually think the billionaires club is continuing to expand because that pot of gold of the Premier League is still there, I think we're a ways away from those self same people/companies realizing "oh, everyone is really rich this is really hard." But football will get there.
I want us to be well run and sustainable, but I have NO idea how to do that or if it's even feasible in the modern English game.
Are Leipzig so hated over there simply because RB are foreign?
I don't recall similar hatred and protests aimed at Wolfsburg (funded by Volkswagen), Ingolstadt (funded by Audi), Hoffenheim (funded by a german software guy) and Leverkusen (funded by Bayer).
Personally if i was German, i'd have thought any club that could potentially rise up and challenge Bayern Munich was a good thing.
As far as I understand, Hoffenheim are unpopular in Germany.
The others are historic ties to local companies
I am also curious who their 30,000 fans are, since the original Lokomotiv Leipzig, once a frequent competitor in Europe, is still going, and were beaten by Jean last week.
They must be pretty shit these days if even Jean can beat them.
Respect of the history and culture of the club. Can competently run a football club or atleast employ someone who can. Understand English football or atleast employ people who understand English football.
I will never support a club that has RedBull in there name or have this badge.
I'd rather Roland ruled us for another 50 years than Red Bull taking us over
Bl00dy hell - he'd be 120 years old by then. I'd rather slit my wrists and then chew my arm off - anything to get rid of that disease called Duchatelet.
Swindon would be perfect, small club on a massive downward curve, going nowhere who'd likely be grateful for the influx of money, could do with a new stadium, already play in red and white, no other rivals within 30-40 miles
Swindon would be perfect, small club on a massive downward curve, going nowhere who'd likely be grateful for the influx of money, could do with a new stadium, already play in red and white, no other rivals within 30-40 miles
And ever since Glen Hoddle slagged us off about 23 years ago I've wished for their demise, hopefully Red Bull's investment will herald that day.
Swindon would be perfect, small club on a massive downward curve, going nowhere who'd likely be grateful for the influx of money, could do with a new stadium, already play in red and white, no other rivals within 30-40 miles
Are they on a downward curve, or drifting around the divisions like they normally do?
The area is a bit of a footballing backwater though
Well they've been in administration twice in recent years and i think they almost went bust too.
I meant a downward curve given they were in the top divisions back in the 90s, but forgot they were in league two under Di Canio so yeah i guess they are just lower league drifters.
Are there many examples of pre-existing stadiums that had their names changed, that we use the sponsored name for? It works on new stadium (The Reebok, The Emirates) but it doesn't really work on a stadium that was named 100 years ago.
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That's all correct.
Unlike us lot, who just go weak at the knees in the face of money (real or imagined) the German fans are both proud and protective of their 50 plus 1 ownership system, and they see Hoffenheim as a direct threat to it. Whenever somebody uppity like the owner of Hannover 96 (or at least 49% of it)) tries to get the rule changed, furious and impressive protests break out all round the Bundesliga.
RB are especially hated because they flout their contempt for the rule.
I am also curious who their 30,000 fans are, since the original Lokomotiv Leipzig, once a frequent competitor in Europe, is still going, and were beaten by Jean last week. True fans support them. Looks like RB fans are plastics.
As far as their marketing is concerned, and purchasing a football club is going to be part of their marketing strategy, they always seemed very "American". I guess I was trying to say we'd become something of a US-style franchise club.
Chelsea are still Chelsea ie same ground, name, shirts, up themselves tossers.
The real difference is that they both now win a lot of trophies. 1969 and 1955 were their last league wins prior to the current owners.
I'd be happy with what Man City have.
Red Bull is quite different but they aren't buying us as far as we know and I doubt we fit their profile anyway.
Realistically if RD wanted to sell then those buying a shit League One club with a relatively small current profile are going to want to have an angle you would think.
Football in the UK has changed monumentally in the last 15 years or so. It is just not viable outside the PL and at some point in the next 5-10 years I reckon that promotion/relegation from the PL will either be stopped or effectively be made redundant by debtless teams being relegated with ridiculous parachute payments making their promotion back again a near formality unless one of the worlds Multi Billionaires wants to chuck silly money at a Championship club; but I think this billionaire boat will sale soon as they realise it is becoming an ever more impossible dream.
Therefore taking a chance with someone like this who would invest and give us a chance has, IMO, got to be better than several more years of slow death, dwindling attendance, poor football etc under RD until he croaks it and no one else is around to pick up the mantle.
What do we expect from out next owners? Who will these white knights be? And what will their angle be?
The English game has changed drastically, and I disagree, I actually think the billionaires club is continuing to expand because that pot of gold of the Premier League is still there, I think we're a ways away from those self same people/companies realizing "oh, everyone is really rich this is really hard." But football will get there.
I want us to be well run and sustainable, but I have NO idea how to do that or if it's even feasible in the modern English game.
I'll buy the sack of shit please.
Can competently run a football club or atleast employ someone who can.
Understand English football or atleast employ people who understand English football.
I will never support a club that has RedBull in there name or have this badge.
I'd rather slit my wrists and then chew my arm off - anything to get rid of that disease called Duchatelet.
The area is a bit of a footballing backwater though
I meant a downward curve given they were in the top divisions back in the 90s, but forgot they were in league two under Di Canio so yeah i guess they are just lower league drifters.