Never been that keen on Chris, ever since he sold the 386 tickets put aside for Sevenoaks Addicks for the play off finals.
386 tickets that people had paid me £28 in advance, gone without a thought of the work involved in arranging it from my living room. Six coaches booked from my own pocket but the tickets sold on by Chris Parkes. I wasn't a happy bunny.
really, so everyone is getting perplexed about comments from the WIFE of a club employee .. f f s chaps get a life
Lincs, I think it goes beyond that because I believe (and someone can correct me if I'm wrong) that Sue Parkes is also an administrator on the Charlton related facebook site that she posts on and in this capacity has been known to remove posts critical of Katrien Meire.
She appears (again subjective on my part) to 'worship' Katrien Meire as if she were some kind of infallible cult leader.
It can happen to anyone, you start out with an innocent email inviting her out to thai with roland to build bridges and the next thing you're asking her to commission a film about Roland and contacting agents of Hollywood actors to see if they want to play Roland
Any truth in her comment that the players feared for theirs and their families safety?
I seem to recall a quote from one player (might have been Motta), that he didn't even know what the protests were about so he definitely wasn't too bothered.
I don't know Sue Parkes and have no way of knowing whether she is being honest or not. I am prepared to believe that she is saying what she thinks and I am also prepared to believe that CARD/we/many of us have mis-interpreted some of things we have heard. However, we know there has been a lot of crap even if some of our interpretations are wrong. She is right in one thing. We all to tend to see what we want to.
The biggest concern for me, though, is the siege mentality that comes over. Heaven forbid, but if I was part of the group that are under siege, I might be saying or thinking some of the same things even though I'd like to hope not. But, that mentality is not good for the club. Those supporting the regime know things aren't good obviously, but they now have no way of knowing where to go from here.
Once you have lost, you can't win and that is the position the regime is in. Sadly, it seems to me, at least, they still think they can turn it round by whatever methods. Sue Parkes seems to support that or dismisses it as RD can do what he likes. I agree that strikes often misfire and harm the wrong people, but CAFC fans are a passionate group and have few ways of changing things - so called 'strikes' or non-attendance are more or less all that is available. Letters, meetings and other initiatives have simply not worked.
Maybe whether we are called 'fans' or 'customers' shouldn't wind us up so much, but it truly manages to capture the current disconnect and is almost the best anti-marketing the club do.
Never been that keen on Chris, ever since he sold the 386 tickets put aside for Sevenoaks Addicks for the play off finals.
386 tickets that people had paid me £28 in advance, gone without a thought of the work involved in arranging it from my living room. Six coaches booked from my own pocket but the tickets sold on by Chris Parkes. I wasn't a happy bunny.
@sadiejane1981 regardless of my own views on what someone like Sue should / shouldn't be saying in public, I don't agree with posting private messages without the other persons consent, so I have removed that post (but kept your replies).
As a general point (and i've not read all the thread), but posting her comments to such large groups she does make them worthy of comment / opinion, but additionally she does not contribute on here so there is not the right of reply. Please refrain from any offensive abuse, or use one of the vehicles she contributes to if you feel that strongly. thanks.
I didn't agree either to an extent I've sat on them and there's more before that, for 2 months, however I thought it would be a way of showing her perspective of the reasons she defends KM, also she had no problem using things I said to her on her group after I was banned, at least I accurately quoted and didn't twist anything.
@sadiejane1981 regardless of my own views on what someone like Sue should / shouldn't be saying in public, I don't agree with posting private messages without the other persons consent, so I have removed that post (but kept your replies).
As a general point (and i've not read all the thread), but posting her comments to such large groups she does make them worthy of comment / opinion, but additionally she does not contribute on here so there is not the right of reply. Please refrain from any offensive abuse, or use one of the vehicles she contributes to if you feel that strongly. thanks.
Wow. Personally, I think you're wrong here. It's just called Facebook Messenger, not Facebook PRIVATE Messenger.
Sorry, I know I probably shouldn't comment, but I hate censorship.
@sadiejane1981 regardless of my own views on what someone like Sue should / shouldn't be saying in public, I don't agree with posting private messages without the other persons consent, so I have removed that post (but kept your replies).
As a general point (and i've not read all the thread), but posting her comments to such large groups she does make them worthy of comment / opinion, but additionally she does not contribute on here so there is not the right of reply. Please refrain from any offensive abuse, or use one of the vehicles she contributes to if you feel that strongly. thanks.
Wow. Personally, I think you're wrong here. It's just called Facebook Messenger, not Facebook PRIVATE Messenger.
Sorry, I know I probably shouldn't comment, but I hate censorship.
@sadiejane1981 regardless of my own views on what someone like Sue should / shouldn't be saying in public, I don't agree with posting private messages without the other persons consent, so I have removed that post (but kept your replies).
As a general point (and i've not read all the thread), but posting her comments to such large groups she does make them worthy of comment / opinion, but additionally she does not contribute on here so there is not the right of reply. Please refrain from any offensive abuse, or use one of the vehicles she contributes to if you feel that strongly. thanks.
Wow. Personally, I think you're wrong here. It's just called Facebook Messenger, not Facebook PRIVATE Messenger.
Sorry, I know I probably shouldn't comment, but I hate censorship.
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It was a private correspondence between two people that no one else could view
@sadiejane1981 regardless of my own views on what someone like Sue should / shouldn't be saying in public, I don't agree with posting private messages without the other persons consent, so I have removed that post (but kept your replies).
As a general point (and i've not read all the thread), but posting her comments to such large groups she does make them worthy of comment / opinion, but additionally she does not contribute on here so there is not the right of reply. Please refrain from any offensive abuse, or use one of the vehicles she contributes to if you feel that strongly. thanks.
Wow. Personally, I think you're wrong here. It's just called Facebook Messenger, not Facebook PRIVATE Messenger.
Sorry, I know I probably shouldn't comment, but I hate censorship.
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It was a private correspondence between two people that no one else could view
It was a correspondence, yes, but from what was posted, there was nothing to say it was meant to be private. Parkes couldn't correspond with her through the group, because she had kicked Sadie from the group, and she chose to message her afterwards.
I don't know Sue Parkes and have no way of knowing whether she is being honest or not. I am prepared to believe that she is saying what she thinks and I am also prepared to believe that CARD/we/many of us have mis-interpreted some of things we have heard. However, we know there has been a lot of crap even if some of our interpretations are wrong. She is right in one thing. We all to tend to see what we want to.
The biggest concern for me, though, is the siege mentality that comes over. Heaven forbid, but if I was part of the group that are under siege, I might be saying or thinking some of the same things even though I'd like to hope not. But, that mentality is not good for the club. Those supporting the regime know things aren't good obviously, but they now have no way of knowing where to go from here.
Once you have lost, you can't win and that is the position the regime is in. Sadly, it seems to me, at least, they still think they can turn it round by whatever methods. Sue Parkes seems to support that or dismisses it as RD can do what he likes. I agree that strikes often misfire and harm the wrong people, but CAFC fans are a passionate group and have few ways of changing things - so called 'strikes' or non-attendance are more or less all that is available. Letters, meetings and other initiatives have simply not worked.
Maybe whether we are called 'fans' or 'customers' shouldn't wind us up so much, but it truly manages to capture the current disconnect and is almost the best anti-marketing the club do.
I agree with this and will add that we are generally a very reasonable bunch of fans and we WANTED and OFFERED to help and work with the owner and CEO from the outset. We have tried and tried to do so, using all sorts of channels. After the Feb 2015 Woolwich Freezer meeting organised by the Trust, the mandate from fans was still to seek dialogue. And we did so. As late as last Oct/ Nov we were actively pursuing that.
Maybe if they had listened at any point between RD taking over and then, we would not find ourselves in this predicament. But no, they strung us along, over-reacted (eg KM calling out the Trust for organising the "anti-club" Woolwich meeting), then held that ludicrous fans' meeting (every manager the right decision/ only 2% etc). KM promised to set up Target 20k in one way then it changed into something completely different with no consultation. She promised a "Strategy Group" which has never materialised. In the meantime they appointed Fraeye and KM's Dublin comments came to light. And then the protests really started.
Given that many of us had significant reservations from the early days after the takeover, I think we have been extremely reasonable and patient. No-one wanted to protest. No-one wanted to get relegated. We have been driven to it.
But don't let facts get in the way of Sue Parkes' La La land. She might as well go and join Katrien in Wonderland...
It is interesting that Sue says dear Chris is putting in 60 hours a week. I know that he actually works during those 60 hours too. I have frequently seen Katrien Miere arrive on Saturday afternoon matchdays well after 1pm. We know that apart from Dubai she frequently goes elsewhere during the working week. I am guessing here, but my considered estimation is that if Chris works 60 hours per week, then Katrien probably works about 10. Which is fair enough because if she worked more she will mess up more.
Don't be so silly. Your immature ramblings do not aid CARD's cause nor your own. Stick to the facts.
Gosh, you're digging me out yet again on a personal level, and pressing labels on me.
When I expressly say I am guessing and estimating does that mot signal to you that I am not stating provable facts.
At no point do I say I speak for CARD, indeed previously I have stated that I speak for myself (although I support CARD) so if you perceive that I have a personal 'cause' then OK, that's your perception.
Today's minor personal digs are 'silly' and 'immature' and 'ramblings' and I am at a loss to understand what you are trying to achieve on this Charlton Life forum by digging me our as an individual on a regular basis.
When you spout your immature emotional claptrap, such as "Katrien probably works 10 hours per week" and Slade must win 4 and draw one of the first 5 games. You come across like an illogical emotional teenager.
I apologise for pointing this out and of course you should post whatever you like, but others have the right to point out that you're being rather silly.
It is interesting that Sue says dear Chris is putting in 60 hours a week. I know that he actually works during those 60 hours too. I have frequently seen Katrien Miere arrive on Saturday afternoon matchdays well after 1pm. We know that apart from Dubai she frequently goes elsewhere during the working week. I am guessing here, but my considered estimation is that if Chris works 60 hours per week, then Katrien probably works about 10. Which is fair enough because if she worked more she will mess up more.
Don't be so silly. Your immature ramblings do not aid CARD's cause nor your own. Stick to the facts.
Gosh, you're digging me out yet again on a personal level, and pressing labels on me.
When I expressly say I am guessing and estimating does that mot signal to you that I am not stating provable facts.
At no point do I say I speak for CARD, indeed previously I have stated that I speak for myself (although I support CARD) so if you perceive that I have a personal 'cause' then OK, that's your perception.
Today's minor personal digs are 'silly' and 'immature' and 'ramblings' and I am at a loss to understand what you are trying to achieve on this Charlton Life forum by digging me our as an individual on a regular basis.
When you spout your immature emotional claptrap, such as "Katrien probably works 10 hours per week" and Slade must win 4 and draw one of the first 5 games. You come across like an illogical emotional teenager.
I apologise for pointing this out and of course you should post whatever you like, but others have the right to point out that you're being rather silly.
Bloody hell. I literally cant keep up with all this crap, its getting ridiculous.
This whole, he who owns the club and can do what he likes. Yes, that is true to some extent. However, they are running a business (club) where they field players every week with the hope that fans (customers) like what they see and pay to come. Its simple as that. Whatever happened to "The customer is always right"?
To have a perverse view that he who owns the club can do as he likes does not make sense. The fans like it or hate it are the life blood of football. That is the entire reason it was founded as a game, a bunch of lads that enjoyed playing football and people enjoyed watching.
Its simple:
Play football that people like and win = more fans (customers) More fans = money More money = players Players = playing football people like and so on and so on....
They harp on about how its a business and they are running it the correct way and without them we would not exist. How many teams in the top three leagues of the English game have gone under and are no longer around today?
They have basically taken over a pub that was on its last legs of cash flow, fired all of the long standing members of staff. Gone against the grain and done away with all the popular beers and pissed off the locals. Then have the audacity to say "Its our pub, we decide". Well my Belgium publican friends, without anyone in the pub you will go under!
To accuse the fans protest of being a reason why we got relegated is mind boggling. Its like a restaurant accusing the diners of the reason they got food poisoning or a cinema accusing the film goers of the reason the film is poor (thanks for the example KM).
To be a Charlton fan right now = Different day, some other weird sh1t happening!
I'm sure the 10 hours is an exaggeration for dramatic (or comic) effect. What we do know for certain is that KM is working far fewer hours than Chris Parkes and far fewer hours than PV did when he held the role.
Put it this way, many years ago I worked on the turnstiles. When I did I would be arriving 30-60 minutes before KM now arrives at games, and I'm pretty sure there's a lot more things she should be doing on a match day than my simple task of taking and counting ticket stubs.
Sue Parkes states 'I don't hold with protests in any walk of life'. Luckily for her (and the rest of us )there have been plenty of individuals throughout history who have protested to give us the many freedoms we enjoy today.
I know her personally, good family friend; but she does need to remember that we would not have a Club if it wasn't for some form of protest that we as fans held. That is a fact. Not to mention other such protests as you say.
I'm sure the 10 hours is an exaggeration for dramatic (or comic) effect. What we do know for certain is that KM is working far fewer hours than Chris Parkes and far fewer hours than PV did when he held the role.
Put it this way, many years ago I worked on the turnstiles. When I did I would be arriving 30-60 minutes before KM now arrives at games, and I'm pretty sure there's a lot more things she should be doing on a match day than my simple task of taking and counting ticket stubs.
Afraid she's replaced you with a machine now, mate ;-)
Sue Parkes states 'I don't hold with protests in any walk of life'. Luckily for her (and the rest of us )there have been plenty of individuals throughout history who have protested to give us the many freedoms we enjoy today.
I know her personally, good family friend; but she does need to remember that we would not have a Club if it wasn't for some form of protest that we as fans held. That is a fact. Not to mention other such protests as you say.
It is interesting that Sue says dear Chris is putting in 60 hours a week. I know that he actually works during those 60 hours too. I have frequently seen Katrien Miere arrive on Saturday afternoon matchdays well after 1pm. We know that apart from Dubai she frequently goes elsewhere during the working week. I am guessing here, but my considered estimation is that if Chris works 60 hours per week, then Katrien probably works about 10. Which is fair enough because if she worked more she will mess up more.
Don't be so silly. Your immature ramblings do not aid CARD's cause nor your own. Stick to the facts.
Gosh, you're digging me out yet again on a personal level, and pressing labels on me.
When I expressly say I am guessing and estimating does that mot signal to you that I am not stating provable facts.
At no point do I say I speak for CARD, indeed previously I have stated that I speak for myself (although I support CARD) so if you perceive that I have a personal 'cause' then OK, that's your perception.
Today's minor personal digs are 'silly' and 'immature' and 'ramblings' and I am at a loss to understand what you are trying to achieve on this Charlton Life forum by digging me our as an individual on a regular basis.
When you spout your immature emotional claptrap, such as "Katrien probably works 10 hours per week" and Slade must win 4 and draw one of the first 5 games. You come across like an illogical emotional teenager.
I apologise for pointing this out and of course you should post whatever you like, but others have the right to point out that you're being rather silly.
The telling thing is that Sue's views aren't shared by people sitting around her in the directors' box, hence the public rows she has had with former directors. A couple of weeks ago I went to see another former director who I won't name but is universally respected. He also supports the protests.
Her views aren't shared by the long-term sponsors who have quit. They aren't shared by staff who have left the club and they aren't shared by many of the staff working there now. They aren't shared by the hierarchy of the community trust and they aren't shared by any of the people who have been there and done it as far as running the club is concerned, which Sue never has.
They are only shared by the small group of people clustered around Meire whose positions are dependent on the regime continuing. So the best thing to do with her is to ignore her.
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386 tickets that people had paid me £28 in advance, gone without a thought of the work involved in arranging it from my living room. Six coaches booked from my own pocket but the tickets sold on by Chris Parkes. I wasn't a happy bunny.
Guess who came to the recue in the eleventh hour?
Peter Varney.
I seem to recall a quote from one player (might have been Motta), that he didn't even know what the protests were about so he definitely wasn't too bothered.
The biggest concern for me, though, is the siege mentality that comes over. Heaven forbid, but if I was part of the group that are under siege, I might be saying or thinking some of the same things even though I'd like to hope not. But, that mentality is not good for the club. Those supporting the regime know things aren't good obviously, but they now have no way of knowing where to go from here.
Once you have lost, you can't win and that is the position the regime is in. Sadly, it seems to me, at least, they still think they can turn it round by whatever methods. Sue Parkes seems to support that or dismisses it as RD can do what he likes. I agree that strikes often misfire and harm the wrong people, but CAFC fans are a passionate group and have few ways of changing things - so called 'strikes' or non-attendance are more or less all that is available. Letters, meetings and other initiatives have simply not worked.
Maybe whether we are called 'fans' or 'customers' shouldn't wind us up so much, but it truly manages to capture the current disconnect and is almost the best anti-marketing the club do.
No we didn't. If we wanted to get in there we could've very easily because there was absolutely nobody to stop us.
We went to make a point to their faces. And we did.
But for you AFKA I apologise
Love that line.
Sorry, I know I probably shouldn't comment, but I hate censorship.
Ha ha yeah, can imagine that line working if someone's in trouble with their boss.
Yes sorry boss, i did nothing wrong other than.......errrrmmmm..........make loads of mistakes.
It was a private correspondence between two people that no one else could view
To be honest the very fact I had to battle with my conscience to post in the first place proves it was wrong.
Maybe if they had listened at any point between RD taking over and then, we would not find ourselves in this predicament. But no, they strung us along, over-reacted (eg KM calling out the Trust for organising the "anti-club" Woolwich meeting), then held that ludicrous fans' meeting (every manager the right decision/ only 2% etc). KM promised to set up Target 20k in one way then it changed into something completely different with no consultation. She promised a "Strategy Group" which has never materialised. In the meantime they appointed Fraeye and KM's Dublin comments came to light. And then the protests really started.
Given that many of us had significant reservations from the early days after the takeover, I think we have been extremely reasonable and patient. No-one wanted to protest. No-one wanted to get relegated. We have been driven to it.
But don't let facts get in the way of Sue Parkes' La La land. She might as well go and join Katrien in Wonderland...
I apologise for pointing this out and of course you should post whatever you like, but others have the right to point out that you're being rather silly.
This whole, he who owns the club and can do what he likes. Yes, that is true to some extent. However, they are running a business (club) where they field players every week with the hope that fans (customers) like what they see and pay to come. Its simple as that. Whatever happened to "The customer is always right"?
To have a perverse view that he who owns the club can do as he likes does not make sense. The fans like it or hate it are the life blood of football. That is the entire reason it was founded as a game, a bunch of lads that enjoyed playing football and people enjoyed watching.
Its simple:
Play football that people like and win = more fans (customers)
More fans = money
More money = players
Players = playing football people like
and so on and so on....
They harp on about how its a business and they are running it the correct way and without them we would not exist. How many teams in the top three leagues of the English game have gone under and are no longer around today?
They have basically taken over a pub that was on its last legs of cash flow, fired all of the long standing members of staff. Gone against the grain and done away with all the popular beers and pissed off the locals. Then have the audacity to say "Its our pub, we decide". Well my Belgium publican friends, without anyone in the pub you will go under!
To accuse the fans protest of being a reason why we got relegated is mind boggling. Its like a restaurant accusing the diners of the reason they got food poisoning or a cinema accusing the film goers of the reason the film is poor (thanks for the example KM).
To be a Charlton fan right now = Different day, some other weird sh1t happening!
When and where will it all end....
Rant over.
Put it this way, many years ago I worked on the turnstiles. When I did I would be arriving 30-60 minutes before KM now arrives at games, and I'm pretty sure there's a lot more things she should be doing on a match day than my simple task of taking and counting ticket stubs.
Her views aren't shared by the long-term sponsors who have quit. They aren't shared by staff who have left the club and they aren't shared by many of the staff working there now. They aren't shared by the hierarchy of the community trust and they aren't shared by any of the people who have been there and done it as far as running the club is concerned, which Sue never has.
They are only shared by the small group of people clustered around Meire whose positions are dependent on the regime continuing. So the best thing to do with her is to ignore her.
Katrien Meire @KatrienMeire1 9h
Magnificent comments from Sue Parkes correctly blaming #cafc fans & not me for relegation
Sue - your 28th consecutive free ST is in post.