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Of course there is something in it, I have said so enough times.Essex_Al said:
To be honest Large, I don't believe Riga walked, I think he was paid off with 12 months salary and told to say that he must make it look like he is resigning.LargeAddick said:
but Riga walked as he didn't get such assurances so why would it have changed so dramatically for Wilder? IF Wilder signs I'd be very worried that these are hollow assurances, nothing will change, and he will walk before the season even starts. I'm still totally unconvinced that these rumours are true.ShootersHillGuru said:Well this is interesting. If Wilder does come in then I'm convinced that he has assurances way above any previous RD appointment.
The rumours with regards Wilder have been circulating for several weeks so there must be something in it!
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Good points but I think the model of an autonomous manager does work outside the Premiership. It has to. There is not the money for both. In the lower leagues you need to build a team where quality is not always your option. Then you need that level of managing that sees, passion, loyalty, potential. I would much prefer the Curbs / Wilder approach where you look at a player holistically rather than buying a player based on stats and or quality. Quality is something we won't always be able to afford.SDAddick said:
Agreed, Motta, Fanni, Sanogo and even Roger Johnson won't have been on small wages given they were signed on a free or as loans. Add to that Tex who came with a transfer fee and five year contract and expenditure isn't the biggest issue, it's understanding when and how to spend.ShootersHillGuru said:
But RD has spent money. It's just been poorly targeted and largely wasted. Giving someone like Wilder a significant say won't necessarily cost RD more than the money he's already blown on the names you already know.HantsAddick said:Does anyone honestly believe RD will give any new manager full control over choice of players? As long as they are free, he might, I suppose.
I'm a little surprised that so many think Wilder would be a clear step in the right direction. This is a man who has never managed above league two, and has spent most of his 15 year managerial career in the lower/non league football. He's had some successes at these levels, but to have been in management for so long and only now to be offered a chance at this level to me indicates that non league or league two is probably his level.
Second, I would much rather we get a Director of Football than a traditional British Manager who is meant to both coach the team and sign all the players. I think that is a model that is antiquated, and you need only look at many teams in the premier league to see that it is quickly dissolving. While Wilder would certainly bring knowledge of players from the lower leagues who could make the step up, I'd rather he be in charge of recommending those players to a DoF who could weigh various aspects, including how they would perform should Wilder go.
I would add on to this that I don't think that signing British players from the lower leagues is a guarantee for success, or a sustainable model. British players come at a premium, and while League One experience is certainly needed in our squad, signing a group of players from that level or below could mean that we end up with a decent League One squad, not one capable of growing beyond that. Lastly, I think that if scouted and selected correctly, there can be far better value for money when bringing players in from abroad. Obviously we've gotten the balance of this horribly wrong in the past. For every Sarr, Bergdich, Lepoit, etc. there is JBG, Kashi, Tex, and Igor. Four out of the latter five could play at a level above what they were signed for.
I just don't think British manager, British players, British system equals long-term success.
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When done correctly that is exactly the type of thing a Director of Football should be looking at--how will this player fit in to the ethos at the club, the league, get along and play with other players, etc. Given that a DoF doesn't have to coach a team every day then manage at the weekend/twice a week, they should be the ones to have time to holistically review a player.ShootersHillGuru said:
Good points but I think the model of an autonomous manager does work outside the Premiership. It has to. There is not the money for both. In the lower leagues you need to build a team where quality is not always your option. Then you need that level of managing that sees, passion, loyalty, potential. I would much prefer the Curbs / Wilder approach where you look at a player holistically rather than buying a player based on stats and or quality. Quality is something we won't always be able to afford.SDAddick said:
Agreed, Motta, Fanni, Sanogo and even Roger Johnson won't have been on small wages given they were signed on a free or as loans. Add to that Tex who came with a transfer fee and five year contract and expenditure isn't the biggest issue, it's understanding when and how to spend.ShootersHillGuru said:
But RD has spent money. It's just been poorly targeted and largely wasted. Giving someone like Wilder a significant say won't necessarily cost RD more than the money he's already blown on the names you already know.HantsAddick said:Does anyone honestly believe RD will give any new manager full control over choice of players? As long as they are free, he might, I suppose.
I'm a little surprised that so many think Wilder would be a clear step in the right direction. This is a man who has never managed above league two, and has spent most of his 15 year managerial career in the lower/non league football. He's had some successes at these levels, but to have been in management for so long and only now to be offered a chance at this level to me indicates that non league or league two is probably his level.
Second, I would much rather we get a Director of Football than a traditional British Manager who is meant to both coach the team and sign all the players. I think that is a model that is antiquated, and you need only look at many teams in the premier league to see that it is quickly dissolving. While Wilder would certainly bring knowledge of players from the lower leagues who could make the step up, I'd rather he be in charge of recommending those players to a DoF who could weigh various aspects, including how they would perform should Wilder go.
I would add on to this that I don't think that signing British players from the lower leagues is a guarantee for success, or a sustainable model. British players come at a premium, and while League One experience is certainly needed in our squad, signing a group of players from that level or below could mean that we end up with a decent League One squad, not one capable of growing beyond that. Lastly, I think that if scouted and selected correctly, there can be far better value for money when bringing players in from abroad. Obviously we've gotten the balance of this horribly wrong in the past. For every Sarr, Bergdich, Lepoit, etc. there is JBG, Kashi, Tex, and Igor. Four out of the latter five could play at a level above what they were signed for.
I just don't think British manager, British players, British system equals long-term success.
Whatever we've been doing to this point--going on "stats," video clips, or what I personally suspect is the recommendation or network clubs/employees/agents, is not how this should be run. Of course this leads up right back to the situation of asking a leopard to change its spots.1 -
CLUB STATEMENT | Chris Wilder
Posted: Mon 09 May 2016
Author: cafc.co.uk
image: http://www.cafc.co.uk/cms_images/pa-25966165-cropped83-3105074_613x460.jpg
Read a short statement from the club, regarding an approach made for Northampton Town Manager Chris Wilder
Charlton Athletic can confirm that the club have been granted permission to speak with Northampton Town Manager Chris Wilder and Assistant Manager Alan Knill, after making an official approach this morning.
Read more at http://www.cafc.co.uk/news/article/charlton-athletic-club-statement-3105098.aspx#RFT5Qg5LSCTixyjQ.99
There you go Henry, it is on the OS4 -
I really have no idea, I know very little about him.ShootersHillGuru said:
But do you think Wilder sounds like the sort of man who would buy into that. He doesn't to me.charltonbob said:He could of course be sent a list of names or videos of players by the previous selectors of our players & told to take his pick. That way he has a big say in our signings ........sort of !
As AFKA has posted. Unless Wilder jumps purely for the money knowing full well that he can probably keep his reputation intact because of the circus we have become. In which case he will fail and so will we.0 -
wow. Official communication about something the club is in the process of doing that relates to football matters.15
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Northampton issued statement at same time1
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It's almost like the regime are doing something right!kentaddick said:wow. Official communication about something the club is in the process of doing that relates to football matters.
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No, I've gone too far.10 -
This looks promising, can these clowns turn it around?0
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To advertise it like this he must be very close. Hope he turns the feckers down - would be a huge embarrassment. Something akin to having liar banner waving in your face.22
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The rumors are true
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We approach and English manager and fans sense positivity. It's to halt protests in the off-season, they know the damage fans can do to sponsors and income.
A tiger's stripes don't change. Roland does not want football success, he will just level us - he's probably aware of the level of protest that will come if it carries on.
This is bad news, real bad news, RD is sticking around.12 -
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In addition to the unofficial approach they had already made to Wilder before Riga announced he was going then . . .ross1 said:CLUB STATEMENT | Chris Wilder
Posted: Mon 09 May 2016
Author: cafc.co.uk
image: http://www.cafc.co.uk/cms_images/pa-25966165-cropped83-3105074_613x460.jpg
Read a short statement from the club, regarding an approach made for Northampton Town Manager Chris Wilder
Charlton Athletic can confirm that the club have been granted permission to speak with Northampton Town Manager Chris Wilder and Assistant Manager Alan Knill, after making an official approach this morning.
Read more at http://www.cafc.co.uk/news/article/charlton-athletic-club-statement-3105098.aspx#RFT5Qg5LSCTixyjQ.99
Possibly Charlton have been forced to announce by Northampton, who want to manage the situation at their end.5 -
http://www.ntfc.co.uk/news/article/northampton-town-charlton-athletic-chris-wilder-alan-knill-3105108.aspx
Quotes from Wilder himself on the Northampton statement.3 -
We got this far with Eddie Howe once upon a time, didn't we?9
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If you read through this thread from start to finish, you'll see that plenty of us think Wilder (or any decent manager) would be barking mad to join us. He must have seen what's gone on, he must know that he's likely to be out of a job within 6 months. Don't give up hope mate, and congrats on your promotion, looking forward to a trip to Sixfields next season.NTFC said:The rumors are true
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And Billy DaviesWeegie Addick said:We got this far with Eddie Howe once upon a time, didn't we?
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Well, its gone further than I thought it would ... still think he's crazy if he accepts it, but he looks like a good fit for us if it pans out well.tricky said:http://www.ntfc.co.uk/news/article/northampton-town-charlton-athletic-chris-wilder-alan-knill-3105108.aspx
Quotes from Wilder himself on the Northampton statement.3 -
More embarrassment to Duchatelet when Wilder and his assistant decline.7
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Question for the press to ask if Wilder takes the job: will the new chief scout/head of recruitment, assuming one is ever appointed, report to Wilder or to Katrien Meire?15
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You need to read the statement CW, is obviously keen to go to you lot.
We cannot compete with the budget that you will have compared to us. I can guarantee you this much expect to see a lot of players go, he overturned our squad within 12 months.
If he has money to spend, with a big budget I do not see how you wont do well next season.15 -
That is a mixed bag to say the least.Simon E said:
And Billy DaviesWeegie Addick said:We got this far with Eddie Howe once upon a time, didn't we?
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English manager with a record of success. This is good news.
However.....
If they want him to be a head coach instead of a a manager, with no say in transfers, CW should tell them where to stick it. Or even better, say that he'll only take the job with new owners.
I am thinking wishfully on that last bit.0 -
This was his interview when NT won promotion. Good luck at The Valley Chris - you'll need it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0T1S41AiHyk 3 -
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Chris Wilder added, "My relationship with the Chairman and the fans is going to make this a very difficult decision, but I do feel at this stage of my career it is one I need to explore.”
Not a done deal by the sound of that.0 -
Watching the video on the Northampton site it looks like their chairman Kelvin Thomas expects it to happen.1
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Can I start.NTFC said:
If he has money to spend, with a big budget I do not see how you wont do well next season.
1. Every season we have started the campaign with a lopsided squad with massive gaps in it.
2. The idiots in charge like to have a say on team selection.
3. They also like to drop players into the squad without telling the manager.
4. Currently the club has no chief scout.
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That would be my second question. The first would be 'what the f*** are you doing'Airman Brown said:Question for the press to ask if Wilder takes the job: will the new chief scout/head of recruitment, assuming one is ever appointed, report to Wilder or to Katrien Meire?
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