I'm loving this bit from the original post about Riga: the south London club have been prepared for his departure for a number of weeks.
He was only in the job for a few weeks for heaven's sake!
They knew something Riga didn't then. I watched his interview post the Leeds win and he spoke as if it was very much undecided whether he would stay or go.
If Roland started to run the club properly I would take notice and reconsider my current position. For me that is two urgent actions: to make a good managerial appointment quickly and give that manager trust and control (which is not part of his previous strategy). Secondly - we have had too many poor statements and actions from the CEO, so he needs to change her. It looks like the first of these things might be happening (not happened until it has happened though). If the second does too - I would probably buy my season ticket if the right message comes from Roland alongside these things. All big ifs though and it would be conditional - if the craziness returns that would be it for me!
If Roland started to run the club properly I would take notice and reconsider my current position. For me that is two urgent actions: to make a good managerial appointment quickly and give that manager trust and control (which is not part of his previous strategy). Secondly - we have had too many poor statements and actions from the CEO, so he needs to change her. It looks like the first of these things might be happening (not happened until it has happened though). If the second does too - I would probably buy my season ticket if the right message comes from Roland alongside these things. All big ifs though and it would be conditional - if the craziness returns that would be it for me!
I go along with what you say, but would probably wait until the 1/2 season ticket became available to see what the position then.
The old Who number keeps running through my head. 'We won't get fooled again'.
Everyone has a price, and perhaps Duchatelet has put together a decent financial package. Of course, words are hollow and, as we've seen only too often, Duchatelet, Meire and Murray cannot be trusted. Yet, if Wilder did become manager, what has he to lose? He would inherit a team on an alarming decline. If he could halt the decline, his reputation would be enhanced. If unable to arrest the decline, he could walk away citing unsolvable issues and broken promises. No-one would doubt that to be true given the wide media exposure of the protests since last November, and the number of coaches employed over the previous 30 months. And there will always be a club willing to offer him another opportunity. Personally, I don't believe he will take the job on. But despite all the issues surrounding CAFC, there are a large number of ex-managers around who would willingly give it a go - even if the cards are stacked against them. Better to be in work, than not.
Think that's the point. What's the downside for him, he can claim constructive dismissal if Roly doesn't stick to his promise and leave with his head held high and no blot on his cv.
Unlike Riga who needs to keep his options open on another network job, I think Wilder would say exactly why he can't work with the owner.
Wouldn't he need to be in the job for 2 years to claim constructive dismissal ?
Monday, 9 May 2016 Wilder on his way Chris Wilder is on his way to London prior to his appointment as Charlton coach. It's not Eurostar, it's London Midland this time. Apparently he has received assurances about having a say in player recruitment: Wilder
Monday, 9 May 2016 Wilder on his way Chris Wilder is on his way to London prior to his appointment as Charlton coach. It's not Eurostar, it's London Midland this time. Apparently he has received assurances about having a say in player recruitment: Wilder
Thanks to Addick's Championship Diary
If he left this morning he must be close by now.
He's got to locate and pick up Stephen Kelly first...
Why would he give these assurances to Wilder and not offer them to Riga?
I'd be surprised in Wilder comes to SE7 - from the point of view of his own career better surely to stay, for now, at Northampton.
Just a guess but perhaps it's dawned on RD that the best way to get Charlton out of league one is by recognising that what's happened up until now has failed and that he's listened to people like Lawrence and appointing a British manager is the best way of achieving that.
He must recognise that things have gone badly. He's not a stupid man.
I still think Wilder won't come though. I do think the regime want a British manager.
If Wilder believes for even a nano-second that RD is EVER going to give him the steering wheel then he needs sectioning.
My old boss - a very successful, high profile person in politics - would always say, "The best indicator of what someone will do next time is what they did last time," when weighing up dealing with somebody.
So, keeping religious faith in an incompetent CEO, appointing five managers in two years and polluting the squad with more foreign crap than the toilets at Sangatte - still fancy SE7 Mr Wilder?
Does anyone honestly believe RD will give any new manager full control over choice of players? As long as they are free, he might, I suppose.
But RD has spent money. It's just been poorly targeted and largely wasted. Giving someone like Wilder a significant say won't necessarily cost RD more than the money he's already blown on the names you already know.
He could of course be sent a list of names or videos of players by the previous selectors of our players & told to take his pick. That way he has a big say in our signings ........sort of !
Does anyone honestly believe RD will give any new manager full control over choice of players? As long as they are free, he might, I suppose.
But RD has spent money. It's just been poorly targeted and largely wasted. Giving someone like Wilder a significant say won't necessarily cost RD more than the money he's already blown on the names you already know.
It would almost certainly be the cheaper option. Bringing in expensive loans to try to stay up isn't a cheap option!
Why would he give these assurances to Wilder and not offer them to Riga?
I'd be surprised in Wilder comes to SE7 - from the point of view of his own career better surely to stay, for now, at Northampton.
Just a guess but perhaps it's dawned on RD that the best way to get Charlton out of league one is by recognising that what's happened up until now has failed and that he's listened to people like Lawrence and appointing a British manager is the best way of achieving that.
He must recognise that things have gone badly. He's not a stupid man.
I still think Wilder won't come though. I do think the regime want a British manager.
He could of course be sent a list of names or videos of players by the previous selectors of our players & told to take his pick. That way he has a big say in our signings ........sort of !
But do you think Wilder sounds like the sort of man who would buy into that. He doesn't to me.
As AFKA has posted. Unless Wilder jumps purely for the money knowing full well that he can probably keep his reputation intact because of the circus we have become. In which case he will fail and so will we.
When all is said and done Charlton in Div 1 is a big Club. If he has been given assurances about Player purchases etc it will look great on his CV if he gets us promoted.
Why would he give these assurances to Wilder and not offer them to Riga?
I'd be surprised in Wilder comes to SE7 - from the point of view of his own career better surely to stay, for now, at Northampton.
Just a guess but perhaps it's dawned on RD that the best way to get Charlton out of league one is by recognising that what's happened up until now has failed and that he's listened to people like Lawrence and appointing a British manager is the best way of achieving that.
He must recognise that things have gone badly. He's not a stupid man.
I still think Wilder won't come though. I do think the regime want a British manager.
Or it's a BS article.
I find it interesting that the Talk Sport story is the only article making the claims that assurances have been given etc.
Believe it when I see it. Looks to me like more of the "look at us trying to sign Max Gradel and Chris O'Grady" nonsense like we get every transfer window.
Incidentally, I am shocked at the small handful on here who's comments imply that there might be a future for Roland at Charlton if he gets rid of Katrien and starts running the football side properly.
He's not apologised for it, nor has he apologised for the shambolic procession of shit that we've been paying to watch for the last 2 and a bit years. The only comment we've had from him on the subject of relegation is when he told us 3 months ago that he wasn't preparing for it because he didn't think it would happen.
Have a read through his interviews with the SLP, he's a deluded oddball who has no place at our club. Even if he does get us promoted next season, it's only with a view to achieving his ultimate ambition of treading water in the Championship whilst flogging off every decent youth product at the first opportunity.
He could put Guardiola in charge and sign Barcelona's front three, there is no way back. Sell up and Fuck off.
Well this is interesting. If Wilder does come in then I'm convinced that he has assurances way above any previous RD appointment.
but Riga walked as he didn't get such assurances so why would it have changed so dramatically for Wilder? IF Wilder signs I'd be very worried that these are hollow assurances, nothing will change, and he will walk before the season even starts. I'm still totally unconvinced that these rumours are true.
To be honest Large, I don't believe Riga walked, I think he was paid off with 12 months salary and told to say that he must make it look like he is resigning.
The rumours with regards Wilder have been circulating for several weeks so there must be something in it!
There is not going to be some mass sudden turnaround in the running of the club. Roland is a 70 year old man, there are not that many open-minded and adaptable men of that age and he definitely is not one of them!
They employed Mel Baroni, another so-called expert, and totally upended her first chance they got.
They wouldn't offer Riga "assurances" and he resigned.
If Wilder comes it'll be for the jump up in class and salary and that's it.
There is not going to be some mass sudden turnaround in the running of the club. Roland is a 70 year old man, there are not that many open-minded and adaptable men of that age and he definitely is not one of them!
They employed Mel Baroni, another so-called expert, and totally upended her first chance they got.
They wouldn't offer Riga "assurances" and he resigned.
If Wilder comes it'll be for the jump up in class and salary and that's it.
What other reasons would there be for a manager to move?
Even if we had the best owners in the world Wilder would be moving for those very reasons.
As it is Wilder hasn't even joined.
If and when he has we can question his sense but not sure we can question his motives.
Does anyone honestly believe RD will give any new manager full control over choice of players? As long as they are free, he might, I suppose.
But RD has spent money. It's just been poorly targeted and largely wasted. Giving someone like Wilder a significant say won't necessarily cost RD more than the money he's already blown on the names you already know.
Agreed, Motta, Fanni, Sanogo and even Roger Johnson won't have been on small wages given they were signed on a free or as loans. Add to that Tex who came with a transfer fee and five year contract and expenditure isn't the biggest issue, it's understanding when and how to spend.
I'm a little surprised that so many think Wilder would be a clear step in the right direction. This is a man who has never managed above league two, and has spent most of his 15 year managerial career in the lower/non league football. He's had some successes at these levels, but to have been in management for so long and only now to be offered a chance at this level to me indicates that non league or league two is probably his level.
Second, I would much rather we get a Director of Football than a traditional British Manager who is meant to both coach the team and sign all the players. I think that is a model that is antiquated, and you need only look at many teams in the premier league to see that it is quickly dissolving. While Wilder would certainly bring knowledge of players from the lower leagues who could make the step up, I'd rather he be in charge of recommending those players to a DoF who could weigh various aspects, including how they would perform should Wilder go.
I would add on to this that I don't think that signing British players from the lower leagues is a guarantee for success, or a sustainable model. British players come at a premium, and while League One experience is certainly needed in our squad, signing a group of players from that level or below could mean that we end up with a decent League One squad, not one capable of growing beyond that. Lastly, I think that if scouted and selected correctly, there can be far better value for money when bringing players in from abroad. Obviously we've gotten the balance of this horribly wrong in the past. For every Sarr, Bergdich, Lepoit, etc. there is JBG, Kashi, Tex, and Igor. Four out of the latter five could play at a level above what they were signed for.
I just don't think British manager, British players, British system equals long-term success.
There is not going to be some mass sudden turnaround in the running of the club. Roland is a 70 year old man, there are not that many open-minded and adaptable men of that age and he definitely is not one of them!
They employed Mel Baroni, another so-called expert, and totally upended her first chance they got.
They wouldn't offer Riga "assurances" and he resigned.
If Wilder comes it'll be for the jump up in class and salary and that's it.
What other reasons would there be for a manager to move?
Even if we had the best owners in the world Wilder would be moving for those very reasons.
As it is Wilder hasn't even joined.
If and when he has we can question his sense but not sure we can question his motives.
Sorry I didn't give a frame of reference, I was talking about this "He's demanding full control of transfers" nonsense. And that he'll join if he gets it.
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The old Who number keeps running through my head. 'We won't get fooled again'.
Bus / Bike / Taxi / Train / Car... Whatever he feels like on the day
I'd be surprised in Wilder comes to SE7 - from the point of view of his own career better surely to stay, for now, at Northampton.
He must recognise that things have gone badly. He's not a stupid man.
I still think Wilder won't come though. I do think the regime want a British manager.
My old boss - a very successful, high profile person in politics - would always say, "The best indicator of what someone will do next time is what they did last time," when weighing up dealing with somebody.
So, keeping religious faith in an incompetent CEO, appointing five managers in two years and polluting the squad with more foreign crap than the toilets at Sangatte - still fancy SE7 Mr Wilder?
As AFKA has posted. Unless Wilder jumps purely for the money knowing full well that he can probably keep his reputation intact because of the circus we have become. In which case he will fail and so will we.
I find it interesting that the Talk Sport story is the only article making the claims that assurances have been given etc.
It might be true, but I just can't see it.
Incidentally, I am shocked at the small handful on here who's comments imply that there might be a future for Roland at Charlton if he gets rid of Katrien and starts running the football side properly.
Have a read of this: http://www.cafc.co.uk/news/article/statement-3009419.aspx
He's not apologised for it, nor has he apologised for the shambolic procession of shit that we've been paying to watch for the last 2 and a bit years. The only comment we've had from him on the subject of relegation is when he told us 3 months ago that he wasn't preparing for it because he didn't think it would happen.
Have a read through his interviews with the SLP, he's a deluded oddball who has no place at our club. Even if he does get us promoted next season, it's only with a view to achieving his ultimate ambition of treading water in the Championship whilst flogging off every decent youth product at the first opportunity.
He could put Guardiola in charge and sign Barcelona's front three, there is no way back. Sell up and Fuck off.
The rumours with regards Wilder have been circulating for several weeks so there must be something in it!
They employed Mel Baroni, another so-called expert, and totally upended her first chance they got.
They wouldn't offer Riga "assurances" and he resigned.
If Wilder comes it'll be for the jump up in class and salary and that's it.
Even if we had the best owners in the world Wilder would be moving for those very reasons.
As it is Wilder hasn't even joined.
If and when he has we can question his sense but not sure we can question his motives.
I'm a little surprised that so many think Wilder would be a clear step in the right direction. This is a man who has never managed above league two, and has spent most of his 15 year managerial career in the lower/non league football. He's had some successes at these levels, but to have been in management for so long and only now to be offered a chance at this level to me indicates that non league or league two is probably his level.
Second, I would much rather we get a Director of Football than a traditional British Manager who is meant to both coach the team and sign all the players. I think that is a model that is antiquated, and you need only look at many teams in the premier league to see that it is quickly dissolving. While Wilder would certainly bring knowledge of players from the lower leagues who could make the step up, I'd rather he be in charge of recommending those players to a DoF who could weigh various aspects, including how they would perform should Wilder go.
I would add on to this that I don't think that signing British players from the lower leagues is a guarantee for success, or a sustainable model. British players come at a premium, and while League One experience is certainly needed in our squad, signing a group of players from that level or below could mean that we end up with a decent League One squad, not one capable of growing beyond that. Lastly, I think that if scouted and selected correctly, there can be far better value for money when bringing players in from abroad. Obviously we've gotten the balance of this horribly wrong in the past. For every Sarr, Bergdich, Lepoit, etc. there is JBG, Kashi, Tex, and Igor. Four out of the latter five could play at a level above what they were signed for.
I just don't think British manager, British players, British system equals long-term success.