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It was one of the top six player budgets in League 1 wasn't it?WestCountryAddick said:
Top three Colin, come on, it was in the FF minutes...colin1961 said:
Treble your wages , bigger club more chance of progressing to championship , and the highest player budget in div one to work withLenGlover said:But why would you leave a promoted club that you've built up for a basket case like us in the same division?
Doesn't ring true to me.
Simple choice really
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I can't say this news fills me with optimism... Besides the well known facts surrounding how this regime operates, I don't think anyone has pointed out that Wilder has no experience of managing above League Two.
This just smacks of a cheap appointment that may get some fans back onside only because of his nationality. Not me.7 -
Wilder would be mad to take the job - if he does, he will have my support as I see it as a step in the right direction.4
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Where have you got highest budget from?colin1961 said:
Treble your wages , bigger club more chance of progressing to championship , and the highest player budget in div one to work withLenGlover said:But why would you leave a promoted club that you've built up for a basket case like us in the same division?
Doesn't ring true to me.
Simple choice really2 -
How much is Wilmots being paid Colin? I assume you might be in the know about such things.ricky_otto said:
Where have you got highest budget from?colin1961 said:
Treble your wages , bigger club more chance of progressing to championship , and the highest player budget in div one to work withLenGlover said:But why would you leave a promoted club that you've built up for a basket case like us in the same division?
Doesn't ring true to me.
Simple choice really
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He phoned all the other clubs threatened to support them unless they told him their budget, then divided theirs by 4. That made his statement correct.ricky_otto said:
Where have you got highest budget from?colin1961 said:
Treble your wages , bigger club more chance of progressing to championship , and the highest player budget in div one to work withLenGlover said:But why would you leave a promoted club that you've built up for a basket case like us in the same division?
Doesn't ring true to me.
Simple choice really0 -
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Maybe Johnnie Jackson let it slip when Colin was washing his car.FishCostaFortune said:
How much is Wilmots being paid Colin? I assume you might be in the know about such things.ricky_otto said:
Where have you got highest budget from?colin1961 said:
Treble your wages , bigger club more chance of progressing to championship , and the highest player budget in div one to work withLenGlover said:But why would you leave a promoted club that you've built up for a basket case like us in the same division?
Doesn't ring true to me.
Simple choice really
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Those are the small bullet points of the real problem though that people seem to be dismissing.cafcnick1992 said:
I know a lot of people protest because "they want their Charlton back" (whatever that means), but I've always been against the regime for specified reasons. those being:MrLargo said:
Unbelievable.cafcnick1992 said:If Wilder is given full control then I think we should cut the board some slack
-The board will not appoint a competitive manager
-The board will not give the manager control over signings
-The board refuses to sign experienced Football league players
-The board won't give managers more than 6 months
If the board then did a total U-turn and gave me everything that I wanted, It would be hypocritical of me not to give them a chance.
The man does not want us to be a successful Football Club, desire is key and he has none. That would already be apparent if he did, what is apparent is he is deluded - I would not want him in even if he drives us back into the Championship and back into a 'secure' position, as we were shortly before he took over.7 -
Posting without reading the thread properly. I know very little about Wilder. We kept banging on about an English manager with championship experience but how much experience has Wilder got of higher than league 2?1
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I think Airman is right,this could end in tears before the season starts.
However, if Wilder gets his own way and sticks around we may be able to support the team and not the regime with more enthusiasm - while protesting until RD sells.2 -
All set for news that he's turned us down and for us to appoint an interim Belgian. Katrien can then say 'we tried very hard to get Chris but it wasn't possible this time. (Insert Belgian name here) will begin our important pre season plans as we search for a permanent manager'.4
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Ah yeah, top six, damnitLargeAddick said:
It was one of the top six player budgets in League 1 wasn't it?WestCountryAddick said:
Top three Colin, come on, it was in the FF minutes...colin1961 said:
Treble your wages , bigger club more chance of progressing to championship , and the highest player budget in div one to work withLenGlover said:But why would you leave a promoted club that you've built up for a basket case like us in the same division?
Doesn't ring true to me.
Simple choice really
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None.25May98 said:Posting without reading the thread properly. I know very little about Wilder. We kept banging on about an English manager with championship experience but how much experience has Wilder got of higher than league 2?
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According to Ketts:
Northampton based sources have revealed that Wilder and Knill could be installed at The Valley as early as Wednesday.
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For me, while I think he is a good choice as manager an hope he will do a good, job it changes nothing. The time for changing was well over a year ago. The fans were willing to talk and support the club of they went about things the right way. Even as recently as November with the 2% protest all we wanted was for them to spell out what the plan was!
That point has long passed. Whether the plan has changed now or not is irrelevant. That trust will never be rebuilt. I for one will never support this regime.9 -
Much of what people are sating - "he must be mad"..."could end in tears" is undeniable given RD (let alone KM) and his capricious ways.
If a new owner & stability is the goal, I'm not keen on achieving that by RD conducting further experiments to see how much further we can fall - i.e. the Oyston/Blackpool model. I'd like him to try & stop the rot, if he's insisting on hanging around.
And with that goal, Wilder is as good an appointment as we might expect. I think the Andy Nelson comparison is a good one - saw a step up even though we were on the face of it in terminal decline (& though it ended badly, I have consistently pointed out that Nelson was the first sustained sign of recovery/progress in a long time).
I wouldn't be surprised that KM is quietly moved on very soon, or RD brings someone in over her head...at some point he might, just might, be seeing sense. The appointment of Wilder would at least be first sign of that...though clearly only a start. Journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step...7 -
Klopp was asked to give advice to young/less successful managers than himself on the build up coverage of Liverpool v Villarreal last week. He said even if it seems the perfect job at the perfect club but with the wrong CEO, it will not work.
The aim of CARD and the protest movement has been to rid us of RD, KM and RM. No British manager, whether he comes in a la Neville Chamberlain waving some assurances in hand, should deviate from this.12 -
I'm not sure that's correct. His methods may be bonkers, but I'm convinced that HE genuinely believes that they are correct, and that they would have made Charlton relatively successful.Atletico Addick said:
Those are the small bullet points of the real problem though that people seem to be dismissing.cafcnick1992 said:
I know a lot of people protest because "they want their Charlton back" (whatever that means), but I've always been against the regime for specified reasons. those being:MrLargo said:
Unbelievable.cafcnick1992 said:If Wilder is given full control then I think we should cut the board some slack
-The board will not appoint a competitive manager
-The board will not give the manager control over signings
-The board refuses to sign experienced Football league players
-The board won't give managers more than 6 months
If the board then did a total U-turn and gave me everything that I wanted, It would be hypocritical of me not to give them a chance.
The man does not want us to be a successful Football Club, desire is key and he has none. That would already be apparent if he did, what is apparent is he is deluded - I would not want him in even if he drives us back into the Championship and back into a 'secure' position, as we were shortly before he took over.
That is in many ways the tragedy of the situation, spending so much and ending up with Naby Sarr4 -
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He might bring his old mate Webster in .ricky_otto said:Be interested if he does take the job if he brings any of the rest of his staff. The have the old Luton and Oxford defender John Dreyer as head of recruitment and a sports scientist called Pablo Garcia.
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I think it just comes down to trust Nick. Can we trust the board to do the above. From what people say about Wilder it would appear he would only come if the above criteria were met. Yet this lot saying the above and doing are a million miles apart for me.cafcnick1992 said:
I know a lot of people protest because "they want their Charlton back" (whatever that means), but I've always been against the regime for specified reasons. those being:MrLargo said:
Unbelievable.cafcnick1992 said:If Wilder is given full control then I think we should cut the board some slack
-The board will not appoint a competitive manager
-The board will not give the manager control over signings
-The board refuses to sign experienced Football league players
-The board won't give managers more than 6 months
If the board then did a total U-turn and gave me everything that I wanted, It would be hypocritical of me not to give them a chance.
The only thing I would say is that appointing a British manager appears to be a step in the right direction, only time will tell1 -
I think you confuse desire with competency. I don't think we've seen anything that indicates he is capable of running a successful football club, but I don't think he is tanking our club out of spite. If he were, there are far easier ways, he could simply stop paying the bills.Atletico Addick said:
Those are the small bullet points of the real problem though that people seem to be dismissing.cafcnick1992 said:
I know a lot of people protest because "they want their Charlton back" (whatever that means), but I've always been against the regime for specified reasons. those being:MrLargo said:
Unbelievable.cafcnick1992 said:If Wilder is given full control then I think we should cut the board some slack
-The board will not appoint a competitive manager
-The board will not give the manager control over signings
-The board refuses to sign experienced Football league players
-The board won't give managers more than 6 months
If the board then did a total U-turn and gave me everything that I wanted, It would be hypocritical of me not to give them a chance.
The man does not want us to be a successful Football Club, desire is key and he has none. That would already be apparent if he did, what is apparent is he is deluded - I would not want him in even if he drives us back into the Championship and back into a 'secure' position, as we were shortly before he took over.
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I hope Webster hasn't still got a packet of haribo in his overalls pocket?. You are talking about Kevin Webster?Starinnaddick said:5
He might bring his old mate Webster in .ricky_otto said:Be interested if he does take the job if he brings any of the rest of his staff. The have the old Luton and Oxford defender John Dreyer as head of recruitment and a sports scientist called Pablo Garcia.
And indeed any players.
Seriously, Simon Webster would be a good addition to the club.
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I know we will never find out for sure, unless Colin tells us, but I wonder who recommended Wilder as manager/head coach. I should not think RD has ever heard of him, KM has probably never looked beyond the championship, so can only be Murray, if so, and he joins, let us hope he makes a better job of it than the last few managers Murray appointed1
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What can Roland do?
This is really the only option he has. He is doing this very reluctantly I'm guessing. He has no realistic choice of a positive outcome unless he goes down this route.
He will moan about it in a future club statement no doubt. I wonder who suggested wilder as a good choice to RD?
Wilder is obviously more then fully aware about the chaos at Charlton. I'm glad he has an attachment to Northampton because it means he's going to be asking the relevant questions. It's going to be a big decision.
If both parties were speaking honestly at the interview then I think it will be mutually agreed that Wilder does not take the job. Everyone has a price? Maybe. Does Wilder want to be a puppet? This is a test of his character also.
It sounds like Wilder wants the job and the new challenge. The only thing in the way is Roland's depressing face.2 -
Weird* reading Northampton fans call him "Sir Chris"
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Lennie Lawrenceross1 said:I know we will never find out for sure, unless Colin tells us, but I wonder who recommended Wilder as manager/head coach. I should not think RD has ever heard of him, KM has probably never looked beyond the championship, so can only be Murray, if so, and he joins, let us hope he makes a better job of it than the last few managers Murray appointed
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Nope. He does not want to make Charlton relatively successful, he wants to make money. Those two won't go hand in hand, unless of course you rise up to the PL but that's just a ridiculous thought under this ownership. He is in it for business but, as you say, his methods may be bonkers, he is not aiming for a successful Charlton - just to successfully run a profitable/break-even Football Club with bonuses to kick (such as owning land)killerandflash said:
I'm not sure that's correct. His methods may be bonkers, but I'm convinced that HE genuinely believes that they are correct, and that they would have made Charlton relatively successful.Atletico Addick said:
Those are the small bullet points of the real problem though that people seem to be dismissing.cafcnick1992 said:
I know a lot of people protest because "they want their Charlton back" (whatever that means), but I've always been against the regime for specified reasons. those being:MrLargo said:
Unbelievable.cafcnick1992 said:If Wilder is given full control then I think we should cut the board some slack
-The board will not appoint a competitive manager
-The board will not give the manager control over signings
-The board refuses to sign experienced Football league players
-The board won't give managers more than 6 months
If the board then did a total U-turn and gave me everything that I wanted, It would be hypocritical of me not to give them a chance.
The man does not want us to be a successful Football Club, desire is key and he has none. That would already be apparent if he did, what is apparent is he is deluded - I would not want him in even if he drives us back into the Championship and back into a 'secure' position, as we were shortly before he took over.
That is in many ways the tragedy of the situation, spending so much and ending up with Naby Sarr1 -
Wilder as coach is nothing more than an extension of the logic behind Riga's return - they hope he'll act as a fire blanket, and extinguish the flames of rebellion.
Words well spoken. It's easy to turn somebody's head with promises. It's not as easy to disguise endless interference and undermining on a daily basis. If that happens he'll not last 44 days. At least then we can say he was our Brian Clough to Luzon's Alex Ferguson.
But I'm prepared to be wrong. He might make a go of it, if he gets doing things his way.3 -
Personally think we should be going all out for someone like Lambert or Pearson.5
