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Only 6 months to go before you cut them some slack thencafcnick1992 said:
I know a lot of people protest because "they want their Charlton back" (whatever that means), but I've always been against the regime for specified reasons. those being:MrLargo said:
Unbelievable.cafcnick1992 said:If Wilder is given full control then I think we should cut the board some slack
-The board will not appoint a competitive manager
-The board will not give the manager control over signings
-The board refuses to sign experienced Football league players
-The board won't give managers more than 6 months
If the board then did a total U-turn and gave me everything that I wanted, It would be hypocritical of me not to give them a chance.
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They only regain some of my respect if they also keep most of the best of our contracted players.superchrissypowell said:If we get him, it is a step in the right direction. The lack of season ticket sales and the other protests have clearly had an impact. If we then go and strengthen in the summer with british-based players with experience of the championship/league 1, then I think the board are finally starting to learn from their mistakes.
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But why would you leave a promoted club that you've built up for a basket case like us in the same division?
Doesn't ring true to me.
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Not suggesting your logic is wrong but after two years of abject failure why would RD decide after one successful year to revert.Airman Brown said:I don't think it's a PR stunt, but I am very sceptical about it working because I don't think the Belgians will allow it to work in practice.
I've been hearing for the last couple of weeks that they will go all out to get out of League One, because RD realises he's screwed the club's value by getting relegated, but even if they did that and it worked I wouldn't trust RD not to revert to type on promotion. That seems to be what he did at STVV.
I'd be more comfortable having a British management team that would be better placed to stand up to him than another one of his mates from Belgium. But it's not of itself enough to stop the protests.
He'd have to be barking. .......... Oh wait.
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I'm still not getting a season ticket ...5
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"Chris Wilder added, "My relationship with the Chairman and the fans is going to make this a very difficult decision, but I do feel at this stage of my career it is one I need to explore.”
To me this roughly translates as, we're a big club at this level and we've offered him 2-3 times his current salary.16 -
There ya goShootersHillGuru said:
Not suggesting your logic is wrong but after two years of abject failure why would RD decide after one successful year to revert.Airman Brown said:I don't think it's a PR stunt, but I am very sceptical about it working because I don't think the Belgians will allow it to work in practice.
I've been hearing for the last couple of weeks that they will go all out to get out of League One, because RD realises he's screwed the club's value by getting relegated, but even if they did that and it worked I wouldn't trust RD not to revert to type on promotion. That seems to be what he did at STVV.
I'd be more comfortable having a British management team that would be better placed to stand up to him than another one of his mates from Belgium. But it's not of itself enough to stop the protests.
He'd have to be barking. .......... Oh wait. 1 -
League One is too expensive and even he realises that it won't allow him to farm players successfully.ShootersHillGuru said:
Not suggesting your logic is wrong but after two years of abject failure why would RD decide after one successful year to revert.Airman Brown said:I don't think it's a PR stunt, but I am very sceptical about it working because I don't think the Belgians will allow it to work in practice.
I've been hearing for the last couple of weeks that they will go all out to get out of League One, because RD realises he's screwed the club's value by getting relegated, but even if they did that and it worked I wouldn't trust RD not to revert to type on promotion. That seems to be what he did at STVV.
I'd be more comfortable having a British management team that would be better placed to stand up to him than another one of his mates from Belgium. But it's not of itself enough to stop the protests.
He'd have to be barking. .......... Oh wait.3 -
I'm waiting to see. If the squad at end August is good enough to blow away L1 and have a good go at promotion in the Champ, I will buy a ST._MrDick said:I'm still not getting a season ticket ...
Sadly, I don't expect to do so.0 -
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You probably won't have to wait long. I half-wonder if he could become the first Charlton boss not to oversee any games at all before leaving.matt88 said:If Wilder is as straight talking as people report, I can't wait for the moment he lays into Roland after he's sacked...
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I'm sure it's a good sign if the regime sticks to what it's good at...Airman Brown said:
I agree with that. I'm just pointing out that it's part of the background and may be why Northampton wanted a statement out there to manage their fans' expectations. You can't imagine Charlton wanting to make a statement with the possibility that it will leave them looking stupid. Again.Henry Irving said:
Wouldn't be the first or last time that an unofficial approach via agents etc to see if a deal can be done is followed up with an official approach.Airman Brown said:
I'd be surprised if he's been to Belgium without sanction from NTFC, but there's no doubt at all that he had been approached last week.ShootersHillGuru said:
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The rumors are true
Not quite. TalkShite saying that CW and Duchatelet had meet with assurances being given blah blah. Seems that nothing other than permission has been given by Northampton. Feel even more inclined to believe that once he's spoken with our visionary he'll tell us to jog on.
Would suggest that CW is keen and knows the T & Cs already.
Not saying that is right or proper but we can't say that this lot are the only ones to do it.0 -
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Similar situation to Andy Nelson all those years ago Len. He'd just got Gillingham promoted. Let's hope Wilder goes on to get us promoted as well like Nelson did.LenGlover said:But why would you leave a promoted club that you've built up for a basket case like us in the same division?
Doesn't ring true to me.
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Or it means that he will listen to what we will offer him then go back and use it to leverage his salary up at Northampton.Chris_from_Sidcup said:"Chris Wilder added, "My relationship with the Chairman and the fans is going to make this a very difficult decision, but I do feel at this stage of my career it is one I need to explore.”
To me this roughly translates as, we're a big club at this level and we've offered him 2-3 times his current salary.
Realistically. though, there is little chance that they would ever be able to compete, financially, with us so if he believes the reassurances he's given he'd be mad to turn us down. However he'd also be mad to believe the reassurances he will be given so if he comes then he is mad if he doesn't we will never know.2 -
Wheres Wilmotts @colin1961 ?colin1961 said:
Treble your wages , bigger club more chance of progressing to championship , and the highest player budget in div one to work withLenGlover said:But why would you leave a promoted club that you've built up for a basket case like us in the same division?
Doesn't ring true to me.
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I know Chris Powell was with Leicester yet doesnt count due to not being the Manager but if we sign Wilder, wont he be the first Manager we've signed from another club since Iain Dowie?0
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But is league one being too expensive a good thing for those protesting? Surely if we failed to gain promotion next season , RD would still want to keep going in order to regain value to the club ?Airman Brown said:
League One is too expensive and even he realises that it won't allow him to farm players successfully.ShootersHillGuru said:
Not suggesting your logic is wrong but after two years of abject failure why would RD decide after one successful year to revert.Airman Brown said:I don't think it's a PR stunt, but I am very sceptical about it working because I don't think the Belgians will allow it to work in practice.
I've been hearing for the last couple of weeks that they will go all out to get out of League One, because RD realises he's screwed the club's value by getting relegated, but even if they did that and it worked I wouldn't trust RD not to revert to type on promotion. That seems to be what he did at STVV.
I'd be more comfortable having a British management team that would be better placed to stand up to him than another one of his mates from Belgium. But it's not of itself enough to stop the protests.
He'd have to be barking. .......... Oh wait.0 -
That had run through my mind ...gone by July and back with NorthamptonAirman Brown said:
You probably won't have to wait long. I half-wonder if he could become the first Charlton boss not to oversee any games at all before leaving.matt88 said:If Wilder is as straight talking as people report, I can't wait for the moment he lays into Roland after he's sacked...
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A five day city break would probably cover the requirements...queensland_addick said:I like his down to earth attitude and has a great work ethic. Apparently he still lives in Sheffield and drives down to Northampton every day. I would imagine he'd have to move if he takes the job, which could be another deciding factor.
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Interesting and positive comments from Steve Thompson, the former defender, about Wilder on @chathmuseum twitter0
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Silly colin - when he was using his ouija board to get the name of our next manager the first three letters were W-I-L.Fumbluff said:
Wheres Wilmotts @colin1961 ?colin1961 said:
Treble your wages , bigger club more chance of progressing to championship , and the highest player budget in div one to work withLenGlover said:But why would you leave a promoted club that you've built up for a basket case like us in the same division?
Doesn't ring true to me.
Simple choice really
He should have waited a bit longer before rushing on here to break his exclusive.1 -
ClickbaitHenry Irving said:Interesting and positive comments from Steve Thompson, the former defender, about Wilder on @chathmuseum twitter
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Not quiet, Dowie had left Palace as he was home sick! ;-)ForeverAddickted said:I know Chris Powell was with Leicester yet doesnt count due to not being the Manager but if we sign Wilder, wont he be the first Manager we've signed from another club since Iain Dowie?
Pardew had left West Ham as he was crap.
In fact he could be for first appointment we've made for decades that was employed as a manager elsewhere when we approached him. Certainly don't remember us doing that since I started going in the 80s.0 -
I think you forgive and forget far, far too easily. If any business other than a football club treated its customers the way that Roland and Miere have treated us over the last couple of years, they would have gone bust long ago.cafcnick1992 said:
I know a lot of people protest because "they want their Charlton back" (whatever that means), but I've always been against the regime for specified reasons. those being:MrLargo said:
Unbelievable.cafcnick1992 said:If Wilder is given full control then I think we should cut the board some slack
-The board will not appoint a competitive manager
-The board will not give the manager control over signings
-The board refuses to sign experienced Football league players
-The board won't give managers more than 6 months
If the board then did a total U-turn and gave me everything that I wanted, It would be hypocritical of me not to give them a chance.3 -
I am sure they want to get out of League 1 - possibly the first thing in a while I have heard in connection with them that I do believe - but have they the first idea of how to actually do it. It's not easy and I simply don't believe that overnight Roland has seen the error of his ways. We have been heading for relegation for months and yet he did nothing to try to prevent it, a (relatively) easier job than bouncing back up.Airman Brown said:I don't think it's a PR stunt, but I am very sceptical about it working because I don't think the Belgians will allow it to work in practice.
I've been hearing for the last couple of weeks that they will go all out to get out of League One, because RD realises he's screwed the club's value by getting relegated, but even if they did that and it worked I wouldn't trust RD not to revert to type on promotion. That seems to be what he did at STVV.
I'd be more comfortable having a British management team that would be better placed to stand up to him than another one of his mates from Belgium. But it's not of itself enough to stop the protests.
Everything we have heard about Duchatalet points towards his unyeilding belief he knows best. So why would be change? If he knew what was needed, on and off the pitch, he would start by finding that woman a role elsewhere in his empire and booting Murray into an honorary but invisible post. That, allied to a new British manager, might actually buy him time and win over a chunk of those opposing everything he stands for.
Until then, nothing changes.1 -
Oh yes as Dowie and Pardew had both left their clubs so we didnt need to approach Palace / West Hamkings hill addick said:
Not quiet, Dowie had left Palace as he was home sick! ;-)ForeverAddickted said:I know Chris Powell was with Leicester yet doesnt count due to not being the Manager but if we sign Wilder, wont he be the first Manager we've signed from another club since Iain Dowie?
Pardew had left West Ham as he was crap.
In fact he could be for first appointment we've made for decades that was employed as a manager elsewhere when we approached him. Certainly don't remember us doing that since I started going in the 80s.0 -
Because, with all due respect, Charlton are seen as and are still a bigger and wealthier club than Northampton.LenGlover said:But why would you leave a promoted club that you've built up for a basket case like us in the same division?
Doesn't ring true to me.
If, as said, he's already spoken to Charlton he'll know what his new wages and new budget will be and he must be happy to let it now become official.4 -
I have been critical but will be positive if there is something to be positive about. This is certainly a policy departure if it happens and we ought to welcome that. Wilder seems not to be the ideal manager for the way the club has been run previously as he isn't shy to speak out. That has to be good if it happens. If it happens and the CEO is replaced, I think we can claim it as a victory for CARD as a clear change of direction is what we need to see. Ok, we would prefer RD to sell, but him changing is the next best thing, as long as he does- I honestly can't imagine him doing so, but if he does!!!! Nothing has happened yet, but if we get Wilder, and he has the ability to run the playing side as he wishes and the CEO goes (too much water has passed under the bridge here) we ought to suspend hostilities with a warning that they will re-commence worse than before should the owner return to type at any stage.
In fact if this happens to our satisfaction, CARD ought to offer a temporary olive branch subject to KM being moved on IMO.7 -
He has three months until the season starts. That's three months for Roland to sit on his hands and not interfere. Three months for Daisy not to overrule a signing or force some network reject onto him. Three months to sell Roger Johnson back to Pune ... It will have all kicked off long before next season does.Airman Brown said:
You probably won't have to wait long. I half-wonder if he could become the first Charlton boss not to oversee any games at all before leaving.matt88 said:If Wilder is as straight talking as people report, I can't wait for the moment he lays into Roland after he's sacked...
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