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Dowie had already left Palace . . . :-)ForeverAddickted said:I know Chris Powell was with Leicester yet doesnt count due to not being the Manager but if we sign Wilder, wont he be the first Manager we've signed from another club since Iain Dowie?
Mike Bailey was still at Hereford in 1979 when he joined Charlton, I think, although there was some confusion as to whether he was appointed manager initially. Otherwise, Andy Nelson from Gillingham in 1974?1 -
What about Bob Peeters?0
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Can't see Wilder wanting to report to Daisy so...if ...he comes, he may insist once the season is underway that he has independence from her and make it a pre-condition of continuing. If we are doing well, maybe that could happen.MuttleyCAFC said:I have been critical but will be positive if there is something to be positive about. This is certainly a policy departure if it happens and we ought to welcome that. Wilder seems not to be the ideal manager for the way the club has been run previously as he isn't shy to speak out. That has to be good if it happens. If it happens and the CEO is replaced, I think we can claim it as a victory for CARD as a clear change of direction is what we need to see. Ok, we would prefer RD to sell, but him changing is the next best thing, as long as he does- I honestly can't imagine him doing so, but if he does!!!! Nothing has happened yet, but if we get Wilder, and he has the ability to run the playing side as he wishes and the CEO goes (too much water has passed under the bridge here) we ought to suspend hostilities with a warning that they will re-commence worse than before should the owner return to type at any stage.
In fact if this happens to our satisfaction, CARD ought to offer a temporary olive branch subject to KM being moved on IMO.
But this is all total supposition, I'm still not convinced he will accept the conditions offered.0 -
Nelson is also a closer comparison as a manager in the same division doing well at a smaller club snapped up.Airman Brown said:
Dowie had already left Palace . . . :-)ForeverAddickted said:I know Chris Powell was with Leicester yet doesnt count due to not being the Manager but if we sign Wilder, wont he be the first Manager we've signed from another club since Iain Dowie?
Mike Bailey was still at Hereford in 1979 when he joined Charlton, I think, although there was some confusion as to whether he was appointed manager initially. Otherwise, Andy Nelson from Gillingham in 1974?
And that all ended well too so happy days you idiots : - )1 -
If Wilder comes in and brings Alan Knill with him....what happens to Simon Clark who, we've heard, is well respected by the players...?0
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I probably know the answer but if Northampton have given us permission to speak with Chris does that mean compensation will already have been agreed?0
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You won't believe #5 - I nearly died.ForeverAddickted said:
ClickbaitHenry Irving said:Interesting and positive comments from Steve Thompson, the former defender, about Wilder on @chathmuseum twitter
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Ohhh well done that manLargeAddick said:What about Bob Peeters?
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Goes back to the U21s with Jason Euell maybe?
Or Wilder becomes Manager / Knill as Assistant Manager / Clark as First-Team Coach7 - Sponsored links:
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He's had a nightmare here...Exiled_Addick said:
You won't believe #5 - I nearly died.ForeverAddickted said:
ClickbaitHenry Irving said:Interesting and positive comments from Steve Thompson, the former defender, about Wilder on @chathmuseum twitter
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Alan Pardew would agreeseth plum said:I am certain there is a culture around football managers that says 'if the job goes wrong, they still have to pay me'.
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Karel Fraeye had to be tempted away from VW HammeForeverAddickted said:
Ohhh well done that manLargeAddick said:What about Bob Peeters?
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23rd.Fumbluff said:Guaranteed if this signing happens Northampton will finish higher than us next season...
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Be interested if he does take the job if he brings any of the rest of his staff. The have the old Luton and Oxford defender John Dreyer as head of recruitment and a sports scientist called Pablo Garcia.
And indeed any players.2 -
Posting without reading, but how widely do we think the club has cast its net before focusing on Wilder as their no.1 target? Do they even have the ability to cast it widely?
His achievements this season (and to some extent prior) are indeed impressive, but he'd surely only be one on a fairly long list of potential realistic candidates with pedigree.2 -
Managed by Riga.....The Red Robin said:
23rd.Fumbluff said:Guaranteed if this signing happens Northampton will finish higher than us next season...
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Just a thought, how will we all react when we see RM and KM basking in the reflected glory of announcing CW as coach?
Frankly, I'd be happy if I never saw either again, and their presence would, IMHO, demonstrate that nothing had changed in reality.
Wilder as coach is nothing more than an extension of the logic behind Riga's return - they hope he'll act as a fire blanket, and extinguish the flames of rebellion.4 -
And I think you're condescending. Who are you to tell anyone how they should support the club? He's given his thoughts and expanded on them. No one of us has the right to tell any other fan they are wrong with how they view and choose to support the club.MrLargo said:
I think you forgive and forget far, far too easily. If any business other than a football club treated its customers the way that Roland and Miere have treated us over the last couple of years, they would have gone bust long ago.cafcnick1992 said:
I know a lot of people protest because "they want their Charlton back" (whatever that means), but I've always been against the regime for specified reasons. those being:MrLargo said:
Unbelievable.cafcnick1992 said:If Wilder is given full control then I think we should cut the board some slack
-The board will not appoint a competitive manager
-The board will not give the manager control over signings
-The board refuses to sign experienced Football league players
-The board won't give managers more than 6 months
If the board then did a total U-turn and gave me everything that I wanted, It would be hypocritical of me not to give them a chance.1 -
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Top three Colin, come on, it was in the FF minutes...colin1961 said:
Treble your wages , bigger club more chance of progressing to championship , and the highest player budget in div one to work withLenGlover said:But why would you leave a promoted club that you've built up for a basket case like us in the same division?
Doesn't ring true to me.
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I can't believe how fast some people are to U-turn.
We are an ambitionless, aimless club that has had Belgian managers.
We are soon to be an ambitionless, aimless club that has a British manager.
What's the difference? Is there any change to the plan of 'real, unique football experience' whereby we wander around the lower leagues, watching the future stars of the Premiership before we sell them on at a profit?
British manager or Belgian, what difference does it make?
The dismantling of the identity of our club continues as normal. We are destitute of dreams. They have sapped the joy out of the club in a manner far beyond who's in charge or who's choosing players. This is meant to appease us peasants so they can keep stealing the money right under our noses.
KM is still here FFS. What does that tell you about what us fans are thought of - what image RD has of our club.42 -
Read somewhere that there was a clause in his contract , presumably meaning we've triggered it and they have had no choice but to allow us to talk to himForeverAddickted said:I probably know the answer but if Northampton have given us permission to speak with Chris does that mean compensation will already have been agreed?
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I'm fairly sure that you've just described 90% of what a fans' forum is about. We all have different opinions, react and disagree all the time, as you have just now...colthe3rd said:
And I think you're condescending. Who are you to tell anyone how they should support the club? He's given his thoughts and expanded on them. No one of us has the right to tell any other fan they are wrong with how they view and choose to support the club.MrLargo said:
I think you forgive and forget far, far too easily. If any business other than a football club treated its customers the way that Roland and Miere have treated us over the last couple of years, they would have gone bust long ago.cafcnick1992 said:
I know a lot of people protest because "they want their Charlton back" (whatever that means), but I've always been against the regime for specified reasons. those being:MrLargo said:
Unbelievable.cafcnick1992 said:If Wilder is given full control then I think we should cut the board some slack
-The board will not appoint a competitive manager
-The board will not give the manager control over signings
-The board refuses to sign experienced Football league players
-The board won't give managers more than 6 months
If the board then did a total U-turn and gave me everything that I wanted, It would be hypocritical of me not to give them a chance.4 -
People do crazy things in desperation, maybe he is SO desperate to get out of League One, he is throwing everything in. Or maybe nothing has changed and he will still be sticking his oar in and Wilder will be off (if he joins) before a ball is kicked.mogodon said:
I am sure they want to get out of League 1 - possibly the first thing in a while I have heard in connection with them that I do believe - but have they the first idea of how to actually do it. It's not easy and I simply don't believe that overnight Roland has seen the error of his ways. We have been heading for relegation for months and yet he did nothing to try to prevent it, a (relatively) easier job than bouncing back up.Airman Brown said:I don't think it's a PR stunt, but I am very sceptical about it working because I don't think the Belgians will allow it to work in practice.
I've been hearing for the last couple of weeks that they will go all out to get out of League One, because RD realises he's screwed the club's value by getting relegated, but even if they did that and it worked I wouldn't trust RD not to revert to type on promotion. That seems to be what he did at STVV.
I'd be more comfortable having a British management team that would be better placed to stand up to him than another one of his mates from Belgium. But it's not of itself enough to stop the protests.
Everything we have heard about Duchatalet points towards his unyeilding belief he knows best. So why would be change? If he knew what was needed, on and off the pitch, he would start by finding that woman a role elsewhere in his empire and booting Murray into an honorary but invisible post. That, allied to a new British manager, might actually buy him time and win over a chunk of those opposing everything he stands for.
Until then, nothing changes.0 -
Wilder should insist in several clauses in his contract, including that he picks the team and that no player is signed without his approval.3
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Used it all up at the covered end, ba-boom-tishnewyorkaddick said:Posting without reading, but how widely do we think the club has cast its net before focusing on Wilder as their no.1 target? Do they even have the ability to cast it widely?
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He would be mad not to do this. I believe it's how Curbs won his compensation claim from WH, because he had final say on all transfers written into his contract, and they broke it.The Red Robin said:Wilder should insist in several clauses in his contract, including that he picks the team and that no player is signed without his approval.
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More importantly, what about the club legend that is Wim?cafc-west said:If Wilder comes in and brings Alan Knill with him....what happens to Simon Clark who, we've heard, is well respected by the players...?
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Yeah I don't see this as some sort of PR move to get S/T holders to renew. Wilder isn't exactly a huge name, and only us football anoraks will have even heard of him. As Large I think it was mentioned, the club want a British manager. These Wilder rumors have been going too long for it to be just rumors, and you don't announce an "agreement to talk" unless there is some weight behind the deal.Henry Irving said:
Yes, I'm going to stop all protests and complaining on the back of this appointment if it happens ; - (sammy391 said:Fear that this appointment will have the exact effect the club want it to - to disperse The protests and 'get people back on side' ...
Back to happy clappy Charlton fans mp doubt
We weren't "happy clappy" in the first place and aren't now.
Far from confirmed of course, but I think this one is about as face value as things at this club get: they want Chris Wilder to be the manager next season.0
