The key and the biggest thing here is, considering Wilder is going to have a lot of players leaving in the summer, though this appointment will stabilize that a bit hopefully.
Will Wilder have the amount of control he needs via player recruitment? Will he be allowed to identify targets of his personal choosing? Will be get a head scout quickly as a follow up to this appointment?
If it's a yes - then it could work. A top 10 finish maybe possible.
If it's a no - then it will crumble and be an utter waste of time and hope.
Apparently Meire called Duchatelet after Riga's resignation and said, "The fans will go mad if we appoint another Belgian so where else can we look?", and Duchatelet simply replied, "Cobblers"
I'm a little worried about an assistant coach with the surname "Knill" - our strikers aren't prolific at the best of times without confusion about the new coaching strategy
If Wilder is given full control then I think we should cut the board some slack
Unbelievable.
I know a lot of people protest because "they want their Charlton back" (whatever that means), but I've always been against the regime for specified reasons. those being:
-The board will not appoint a competitive manager -The board will not give the manager control over signings -The board refuses to sign experienced Football league players -The board won't give managers more than 6 months
If the board then did a total U-turn and gave me everything that I wanted, It would be hypocritical of me not to give them a chance.
Those are the small bullet points of the real problem though that people seem to be dismissing.
The man does not want us to be a successful Football Club, desire is key and he has none. That would already be apparent if he did, what is apparent is he is deluded - I would not want him in even if he drives us back into the Championship and back into a 'secure' position, as we were shortly before he took over.
I'm not sure that's correct. His methods may be bonkers, but I'm convinced that HE genuinely believes that they are correct, and that they would have made Charlton relatively successful.
That is in many ways the tragedy of the situation, spending so much and ending up with Naby Sarr
Nope. He does not want to make Charlton relatively successful, he wants to make money. Those two won't go hand in hand, unless of course you rise up to the PL but that's just a ridiculous thought under this ownership. He is in it for business but, as you say, his methods may be bonkers, he is not aiming for a successful Charlton - just to successfully run a profitable/break-even Football Club with bonuses to kick (such as owning land)
What are we basing that on? He has pumped 38m into the club already, and if KM is to be believed he is putting another million/month in in loans (KM is not to be believes, but I think it was Jiminez who said something similar).
If he just wanted money he could easily have sold Lookman and JBG in January. He could have signed a couple lower league journeymen, okay, a couple more lower league journeymen, instead of internationals Fanni and Motta. He could be looking to sell The Valley.
If he were trying to suck money out of this club, there are a lot of different tactics he'd be using. I mean we've not even heard talk of the ambition of getting to the Premier League, where the money really is. I know it's easy to paint him as the villain here to asset strip the club, but I don't see the proof to back that up, and furthermore, we just don't have many monetary assets to strip.
Have just got in and haven't read all of this thread. Apologies if mentioned by someone else, but I take it that this chap is the same Chris Wilder who played for Charlton Athletic, on loan, (in two separate spells) under Lennie Lawrence and Gritt and Curbishley in the very late 80s / early 1990s.
From The Oxford Mail: Wilder went on loan to Walsall, Charlton – for two spells – and Leyton Orient during his seven years at Bramall Lane, before joining Rotherham in 1992. "It was a great time. I was about 24-25 and I had some fantastic times at what was my home-town club, and the club I'd supported as a boy. "There just comes a time when you need to be playing regular football as well. I was always in the 16 or 17, but I really needed, for myself, to carve out a career. "In my loan periods, there were three really good, experienced managers that I played under. "John Barnwell at Walsall and Lennie Lawrence at Charlton were the first two. I was going to go to Charlton permanently, all the paperwork was done, and in a pre-season game I did my ankle ligaments. "And when I went back, it was Alan Curbishley and Steve Gritt who were the joint-managers.
Wilder would be mad to take the job - if he does, he will have my support as I see it as a step in the right direction.
Buying himself a bit of leverage with Northampton. The Charlton interest will probably get the Northampton chairman digging a little deeper to keep his man. His hero image will be galvanised by giving us the brush and staying. As I said,if he's worth his salt he wouldn't touch us.
I know we will never find out for sure, unless Colin tells us, but I wonder who recommended Wilder as manager/head coach. I should not think RD has ever heard of him, KM has probably never looked beyond the championship, so can only be Murray, if so, and he joins, let us hope he makes a better job of it than the last few managers Murray appointed
Was not in the Directors Box for either of the last 2 games
Apparently Meire called Duchatelet after Riga's resignation and said, "The fans will go mad if we appoint another Belgian so where else can we look?", and Duchatelet simply replied, "Cobblers"
Alternatively as Duchatalatet was wandering aimlessly around The Valley last weekend the duct tape finally fell of his shoe he turned to Meire and asked her 'can you recommend any good Cobblers' - luckily before she had a chance to speak, Keith P stepped in....
Have just got in and haven't read all of this thread. Apologies if mentioned by someone else, but I take it that this chap is the same Chris Wilder who played for Charlton Athletic, on loan, (in two separate spells) under Lennie Lawrence and Gritt and Curbishley in the very late 80s / early 1990s.
From The Oxford Mail: Wilder went on loan to Walsall, Charlton – for two spells – and Leyton Orient during his seven years at Bramall Lane, before joining Rotherham in 1992. "It was a great time. I was about 24-25 and I had some fantastic times at what was my home-town club, and the club I'd supported as a boy. "There just comes a time when you need to be playing regular football as well. I was always in the 16 or 17, but I really needed, for myself, to carve out a career. "In my loan periods, there were three really good, experienced managers that I played under. "John Barnwell at Walsall and Lennie Lawrence at Charlton were the first two. I was going to go to Charlton permanently, all the paperwork was done, and in a pre-season game I did my ankle ligaments. "And when I went back, it was Alan Curbishley and Steve Gritt who were the joint-managers.
Have just got in and haven't read all of this thread. Apologies if mentioned by someone else, but I take it that this chap is the same Chris Wilder who played for Charlton Athletic, on loan, (in two separate spells) under Lennie Lawrence and Gritt and Curbishley in the very late 80s / early 1990s.
From The Oxford Mail: Wilder went on loan to Walsall, Charlton – for two spells – and Leyton Orient during his seven years at Bramall Lane, before joining Rotherham in 1992. "It was a great time. I was about 24-25 and I had some fantastic times at what was my home-town club, and the club I'd supported as a boy. "There just comes a time when you need to be playing regular football as well. I was always in the 16 or 17, but I really needed, for myself, to carve out a career. "In my loan periods, there were three really good, experienced managers that I played under. "John Barnwell at Walsall and Lennie Lawrence at Charlton were the first two. I was going to go to Charlton permanently, all the paperwork was done, and in a pre-season game I did my ankle ligaments. "And when I went back, it was Alan Curbishley and Steve Gritt who were the joint-managers.
So, so far,he will be mad to take the job, but mad to turn down the chance to step up to a "bigger" club ;-) Can I be the first to say ( a la Life of Brian) "He's....m..m..m..m..MAD, sir!"
Some wag already updated Wilder's Wikipedia page, presumably a J McKenzie of Woodford:
On 05 May 2016 wilder was appointed Manager of Charlton Athletic, Signing a 4 year contract. he was quoted in saying he is delighted in joining a big club, his first signing is likely to the hot footed Centre forward Justin McKenzie from local side Woodford united, he has an impressive record of 43 goals in 38 games this season
I'm a little worried about an assistant coach with the surname "Knill" - our strikers aren't prolific at the best of times without confusion about the new coaching strategy
In that case then maybe we should appoint his Spanish brother Juan
I'm a little worried about an assistant coach with the surname "Knill" - our strikers aren't prolific at the best of times without confusion about the new coaching strategy
In that case then maybe we should appoint his Spanish brother Juan
I'm not convinced that this is a fool proof appointment, even if they are given control over transfers.
That said, I am a man of principle, and the puns will clear improve with Wilder and Knill here, and I am forthat.
Wilder has done terrifically well this season and if appointed would be the best managerial appointment by douchebag by a million miles. And Charlton could provide Chris with a tremendous next step in his career. BUT what would make CW think that the crazed belgian autocrat has completely changed all his club management policies, will cough up a viable 3rd division playing budget plus funds for coaches, scouts, support staff, install competent honest(!) club-business-management executives And keep his utterly clueless meddling fingers out of the day to day football/selection matters? As the owner of an English football club douchebag rivals Cellino and the Oystens for king of the fuckwits and is utterly discredited, we all hate him and we're pretty sure that's mutual. A club manager's job under him would just about be preferable to a siberian salt mine or sun cream salesman in Scotland. With douchebag's history there's only one situation I can see why anyone with an atom, no a neutron, no a quark of self-respect would give him the time of day: RD offers a gilt-edged life-changing mega-money deal that will secure one for a couple of lifetimes, big signing on fee safely deposited with Harry Redknapp's labrador, then one does the best one can for the morsel of time the mad old cnut allows then happily walk off with the mad old cnut's money. But how likely is that? In Roly speak an 'undisclosed fee' means "we gave this valuable player in the prime of his career away to a divisional rival for free". You're welcome to try CW - but there are very few here who think this job is anything other than career suicide.
Appears their "sir Chris" was saying things like "I'm really excited to look forward to next season" and when asked about his future told a reporter "can't we just enjoy the moment"
If Wilder is given full control then I think we should cut the board some slack
Unbelievable.
I know a lot of people protest because "they want their Charlton back" (whatever that means), but I've always been against the regime for specified reasons. those being:
-The board will not appoint a competitive manager -The board will not give the manager control over signings -The board refuses to sign experienced Football league players -The board won't give managers more than 6 months
If the board then did a total U-turn and gave me everything that I wanted, It would be hypocritical of me not to give them a chance.
Those are the small bullet points of the real problem though that people seem to be dismissing.
The man does not want us to be a successful Football Club, desire is key and he has none. That would already be apparent if he did, what is apparent is he is deluded - I would not want him in even if he drives us back into the Championship and back into a 'secure' position, as we were shortly before he took over.
I'm not sure that's correct. His methods may be bonkers, but I'm convinced that HE genuinely believes that they are correct, and that they would have made Charlton relatively successful.
That is in many ways the tragedy of the situation, spending so much and ending up with Naby Sarr
Nope. He does not want to make Charlton relatively successful, he wants to make money. Those two won't go hand in hand, unless of course you rise up to the PL but that's just a ridiculous thought under this ownership. He is in it for business but, as you say, his methods may be bonkers, he is not aiming for a successful Charlton - just to successfully run a profitable/break-even Football Club with bonuses to kick (such as owning land)
What are we basing that on? He has pumped 38m into the club already, and if KM is to be believed he is putting another million/month in in loans (KM is not to be believes, but I think it was Jiminez who said something similar).
If he just wanted money he could easily have sold Lookman and JBG in January. He could have signed a couple lower league journeymen, okay, a couple more lower league journeymen, instead of internationals Fanni and Motta. He could be looking to sell The Valley.
If he were trying to suck money out of this club, there are a lot of different tactics he'd be using. I mean we've not even heard talk of the ambition of getting to the Premier League, where the money really is. I know it's easy to paint him as the villain here to asset strip the club, but I don't see the proof to back that up, and furthermore, we just don't have many monetary assets to strip.
No. Roughly half of that (June 2015 figure) is the money that Jimenez/Slater had lost and which became RD's purchase price. Duchatelet paid that money out when he bought Charlton, but he emphatically did not pump it into the club. It is in the books as interest-bearing debt, but it represents the accumulated losses of the previous regime. It is not sunk cost to RD either because he owns the assets it paid for (subject to a £7m caveat). Slater claimed that he was putting £1m in a month, even though there is little evidence he had such wealth. He didn't say it then stayed in the club. The published accounts don't support that claim, either then or now.
Appears their "sir Chris" was saying things like "I'm really excited to look forward to next season" and when asked about his future told a reporter "can't we just enjoy the moment"
As well as the very erudite Charlton fan who appeared on the BBC Radio Northampton phone-in, I enjoyed the NTFC chairman comparing Wilder going to Charlton to managers who think they can rehabilitate Mario Balotelli.
All set for news that he's turned us down and for us to appoint an interim Belgian. Katrien can then say 'we tried very hard to get Chris but it wasn't possible this time. (Insert Belgian name here) will begin our important pre season plans as we search for a permanent manager'.
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Will Wilder have the amount of control he needs via player recruitment? Will he be allowed to identify targets of his personal choosing? Will be get a head scout quickly as a follow up to this appointment?
If it's a yes - then it could work. A top 10 finish maybe possible.
If it's a no - then it will crumble and be an utter waste of time and hope.
We might as well push the boat out and go for Zidane or Mourinho.
If he just wanted money he could easily have sold Lookman and JBG in January. He could have signed a couple lower league journeymen, okay, a couple more lower league journeymen, instead of internationals Fanni and Motta. He could be looking to sell The Valley.
If he were trying to suck money out of this club, there are a lot of different tactics he'd be using. I mean we've not even heard talk of the ambition of getting to the Premier League, where the money really is. I know it's easy to paint him as the villain here to asset strip the club, but I don't see the proof to back that up, and furthermore, we just don't have many monetary assets to strip.
From The Oxford Mail:
Wilder went on loan to Walsall, Charlton – for two spells – and Leyton Orient during his seven years at Bramall Lane, before joining Rotherham in 1992.
"It was a great time. I was about 24-25 and I had some fantastic times at what was my home-town club, and the club I'd supported as a boy.
"There just comes a time when you need to be playing regular football as well. I was always in the 16 or 17, but I really needed, for myself, to carve out a career.
"In my loan periods, there were three really good, experienced managers that I played under.
"John Barnwell at Walsall and Lennie Lawrence at Charlton were the first two. I was going to go to Charlton permanently, all the paperwork was done, and in a pre-season game I did my ankle ligaments.
"And when I went back, it was Alan Curbishley and Steve Gritt who were the joint-managers.
oxfordmail.co.uk/sport/4112741.How_some_top_managers_shaped_Chris_Wilder_s_career/
The Charlton interest will probably get the Northampton chairman digging a little deeper to keep his man.
His hero image will be galvanised by giving us the brush and staying.
As I said,if he's worth his salt he wouldn't touch us.
CW has certainly worked under a fair few experienced managers.
Can I be the first to say ( a la Life of Brian) "He's....m..m..m..m..MAD, sir!"
On 05 May 2016 wilder was appointed Manager of Charlton Athletic, Signing a 4 year contract. he was quoted in saying he is delighted in joining a big club, his first signing is likely to the hot footed Centre forward Justin McKenzie from local side Woodford united, he has an impressive record of 43 goals in 38 games this season
That said, I am a man of principle, and the puns will clear improve with Wilder and Knill here, and I am forthat.
With douchebag's history there's only one situation I can see why anyone with an atom, no a neutron, no a quark of self-respect would give him the time of day: RD offers a gilt-edged life-changing mega-money deal that will secure one for a couple of lifetimes, big signing on fee safely deposited with Harry Redknapp's labrador, then one does the best one can for the morsel of time the mad old cnut allows then happily walk off with the mad old cnut's money. But how likely is that?
In Roly speak an 'undisclosed fee' means "we gave this valuable player in the prime of his career away to a divisional rival for free".
You're welcome to try CW - but there are very few here who think this job is anything other than career suicide.
Appears their "sir Chris" was saying things like "I'm really excited to look forward to next season" and when asked about his future told a reporter "can't we just enjoy the moment"