it was blatantly obvious what happened at full time and as Mutts has said above, his quote was pathetic (Fraeye's not Muttley's).
if we can continue to get behind the team like that, we can act as multi-interim managers because i'm pretty sure the players get more motivation from us than that freeloader.
For all those going to Colcheter make sure we give it to Carol big style, the man is a looser a fraud and a complete cretin, he has to go.
Good point. Would be good if a few of you could be there when the coach (that's the one with 4 wheels, not our interim manager with no brain) arrives and the players and Carol get off. Shouldn't be that difficult at a small club like Colchester to get fairly close. Then when you do, give Carol absolute pelters.
JBG was clapping the fan's all throughout the booing of Fraeye. And against Wolves it looked like JJ waited for Fraeye to leave the pitch before clapping anyone
Everyone is a manager and everyone is a master tactician on this forum - okay I understand peoples anger and frustration and the interim manager/manager/head coach is a good focal point......but please dissecting every utterance with a fine tooth comb or whatever from a man speaking in a second language and trying not to get in the shit from his paymaster is a pointless occupation when the real pressure and critism should be directed at those who have put us in this position and please let's not have a rerun of all the bollocks about him being the had recruitment guru or suchlike put about by others who ought to know better.
it was blatantly obvious what happened at full time and as Mutts has said above, his quote was pathetic (Fraeye's not Muttley's).
if we can continue to get behind the team like that, we can act as multi-interim managers because i'm pretty sure the players get more motivation from us than that freeloader.
Even during the protest itself we were largely supportive of the team. For example, when Harriott and Vetokele were in sight the chants quickly focused on them and were very supportive and positive. With that in mind, you could even argue that the protest itself demonstrated just how much we want to get behind our lads.
Fraeye really needs to take a good hard look in the mirror at himself, and question himself regarding whether he really likes seeing the spineless bastard looking back at himself. I don't for one second believe that even Fraeye is stupid enough to really believe his own words, not when even the opposition manager commented on our support through difficult times.
Get out Fraeye, there's no coming back from this one - you've demonstrated exactly how much loyalty you feel towards the fans and you've also shown your tactical ineptitude on numerous occasions. I'm sure there's a Belgian village looking for their idiot right now, maybe you should do them a favour and return.
Everyone is a manager and everyone is a master tactician on this forum - okay I understand peoples anger and frustration and the interim manager/manager/head coach is a good focal point......but please dissecting every utterance with a fine tooth comb or whatever from a man speaking in a second language and trying not to get in the shit from his paymaster is a pointless occupation when the real pressure and critism should be directed at those who have put us in this position and please let's not have a rerun of all the bollocks about him being the had recruitment guru or suchlike put about by others who ought to know better.
Carol is inept. You want evidence - how about moving Solly into central midfield yesterday.
JBG was clapping the fan's all throughout the booing of Fraeye. And against Wolves it looked like JJ waited for Fraeye to leave the pitch before clapping anyone
As I've said before, I occasionally talk to JBG's brother and friend of his brother and he didn't seem to disagree with my comment about the managerial state at Charlton and JBG won't like it, the man who has managers like Dick Advoocat praising him is being coached by a Belgian Sunday League coach. We wonder why JBG isn't performing... He's a Euro 2016 player, and he's still very young; he needs great coaching.
We need to ensure it isn't the players ( even the crap ones) we are after but him. The contrast of great support for them and boos for him will be striking, as it has been already.
Everyone is a manager and everyone is a master tactician on this forum - okay I understand peoples anger and frustration and the interim manager/manager/head coach is a good focal point......but please dissecting every utterance with a fine tooth comb or whatever from a man speaking in a second language and trying not to get in the shit from his paymaster is a pointless occupation when the real pressure and critism should be directed at those who have put us in this position and please let's not have a rerun of all the bollocks about him being the had recruitment guru or suchlike put about by others who ought to know better.
Everyone is a manager and everyone is a master tactician on this forum - okay I understand peoples anger and frustration and the interim manager/manager/head coach is a good focal point......but please dissecting every utterance with a fine tooth comb or whatever from a man speaking in a second language and trying not to get in the shit from his paymaster is a pointless occupation when the real pressure and critism should be directed at those who have put us in this position and please let's not have a rerun of all the bollocks about him being the had recruitment guru or suchlike put about by others who ought to know better.
Been angling to get the job for two years no doubt undermining both Peeters and Luzon in the process. Well now he's got it and is making a right pigs ear of it. Out of his depth and if he can't speak English well enough not to insult the fans then shut the fuck up.
RD and KM are stuck between a rock and a hard place. Sack Fraye and they will look as if they are giving in to the "customers". Keep with him and we will get relegated. A situation of their own making!
Yes, it would be like a restaurant owner giving its customers food they want to eat, or a cinema chain putting on films they want to watch - using the same anology used by our CEO.
RD and KM are stuck between a rock and a hard place. Sack Fraye and they will look as if they are giving in to the "customers". Keep with him and we will get relegated. A situation of their own making!
Thats my reading. They've been trigger happy with other coaches, yet they stick by the incompetent buffoon we have now. I can only assume it was such a terriblr decision to appoint him they can't bear to back down. Plus the customers don't like it, which bizarrely seems to be a reason to act in the CAFC cinema.
Everyone is a manager and everyone is a master tactician on this forum - okay I understand peoples anger and frustration and the interim manager/manager/head coach is a good focal point......but please dissecting every utterance with a fine tooth comb or whatever from a man speaking in a second language and trying not to get in the shit from his paymaster is a pointless occupation when the real pressure and critism should be directed at those who have put us in this position and please let's not have a rerun of all the bollocks about him being the had recruitment guru or suchlike put about by others who ought to know better.
Been angling to get the job for two years no doubt undermining both Peeters and Luzon in the process. Well now he's got it and is making a right pigs ear of it. Out of his depth and if he can't speak English well enough not to insult the fans then shut the fuck up.
"no doubt" well this is the narrative sown by others that like to be thought of as ITK supporters. Do you really think that he meant to insult the fans? My point was that there is too much over scrutinising of his every word and people also take words out of context which also does not help. If you think that booing him does no harm to the team then by all means encourage those that do (I mean what a cunt to take the job eh?)but in my opinion it does hurts the team.
Yes, it would be like a restaurant owner giving its customers food they want to eat, or a cinema chain putting on films they want to watch - using the same anology used by our CEO.
I never got her analogy really.
To sum up some of my experiences at the Leeds match; I left the stand to grab some food immediately at the half time whistle, by the time I'd managed to navigate the queue and get served I could hear the players coming out on the pitch.. great, I've spent 15 minutes just getting to the front of the queue.
I ordered a Chicken Balti pie and a cup of Bovril; there was no point trying to down a pint with the match kicking off as I ordered. I was told there was no Bovril left, so opted for a hot chocolate. I was then told there was no Chicken Balti pies, only one steak pie and the rest where cheese and onion. I opted for the last steak pie.
I stood in the concourse, listening to the match echo down the staircase.. eating a lukewarm (bordering on cold in places) pie, and a chunky hot chocolate which hadn't even been stirred.
In short, I waited for 15 minutes to get served, missed some of the action I'd paid to come and see, and was served substandard food (which I didn't even want, but had queued up for so long I felt I might as well have bought something) for a pretty horrific price (£2 for a bottle of water?!)..
If that kind of service had happened in a restaurant I think I probably would demand to see someone higher up, and I sure as hell wouldn't expect to be paying full price for that total disaster. Unfortunately, this has echoed my experience every time I've sat in the Upper West: and let's face it, we're hardly pulling in full crowds at the moment.
Feeling mugged off by the CEO during the pre-match protest didn't exactly add anything to my experience either. I was quite glad I'd forgotten to get cash out on Saturday as it meant there was no way on earth I'd be giving more of my hard earned cash to the club just because it felt convenient to grab some half time grub.
Proof we back the team and not him. He gets the boos as he walks off at the final whistle and the second he disappears from sight jeers turn to cheers for the players.
Yes, it would be like a restaurant owner giving its customers food they want to eat, or a cinema chain putting on films they want to watch - using the same anology used by our CEO.
I never got her analogy really.
To sum up some of my experiences at the Leeds match; I left the stand to grab some food immediately at the half time whistle, by the time I'd managed to navigate the queue and get served I could hear the players coming out on the pitch.. great, I've spent 15 minutes just getting to the front of the queue.
I ordered a Chicken Balti pie and a cup of Bovril; there was no point trying to down a pint with the match kicking off as I ordered. I was told there was no Bovril left, so opted for a hot chocolate. I was then told there was no Chicken Balti pies, only one steak pie and the rest where cheese and onion. I opted for the last steak pie.
I stood in the concourse, listening to the match echo down the staircase.. eating a lukewarm (bordering on cold in places) pie, and a chunky hot chocolate which hadn't even been stirred.
In short, I waited for 15 minutes to get served, missed some of the action I'd paid to come and see, and was served substandard food (which I didn't even want, but had queued up for so long I felt I might as well have bought something) for a pretty horrific price (£2 for a bottle of water?!)..
If that kind of service had happened in a restaurant I think I probably would demand to see someone higher up, and I sure as hell wouldn't expect to be paying full price for that total disaster. Unfortunately, this has echoed my experience every time I've sat in the Upper West: and let's face it, we're hardly pulling in full crowds at the moment.
Feeling mugged off by the CEO during the pre-match protest didn't exactly add anything to my experience either. I was quite glad I'd forgotten to get cash out on Saturday as it meant there was no way on earth I'd be giving more of my hard earned cash to the club just because it felt convenient to grab some half time grub.
It amazes me that people don't boycott the catering at the Valley solely on the basis of the dreadful service, extortionate prices and rancid quality - never mind what the Belgians are doing.
Everyone is a manager and everyone is a master tactician on this forum - okay I understand peoples anger and frustration and the interim manager/manager/head coach is a good focal point......but please dissecting every utterance with a fine tooth comb or whatever from a man speaking in a second language and trying not to get in the shit from his paymaster is a pointless occupation when the real pressure and critism should be directed at those who have put us in this position and please let's not have a rerun of all the bollocks about him being the had recruitment guru or suchlike put about by others who ought to know better.
Been angling to get the job for two years no doubt undermining both Peeters and Luzon in the process. Well now he's got it and is making a right pigs ear of it. Out of his depth and if he can't speak English well enough not to insult the fans then shut the fuck up.
"no doubt" well this is the narrative sown by others that like to be thought of as ITK supporters. Do you really think that he meant to insult the fans? My point was that there is too much over scrutinising of his every word and people also take words out of context which also does not help. If you think that booing him does no harm to the team then by all means encourage those that do (I mean what a cunt to take the job eh?)but in my opinion it does hurts the team.
Wasn't he quoted as saying and I paraphrase " the bell is ringing for me at Charlton" or similar ? That sounds like he was pretty sure that at some point he was in line. My guess and it is a guess was that he was brought in to learn the ropes with Riga and in Roland's parallel universe no doubt the next progression was to manage a Belgian second division outfit which he also achieved nothing.
Do I blame him for taking the job ? No. He seems deluded enough to think he might have been qualified enough.
We need him replaced with someone who is experienced and not at backstabbing.
I saw the players on the pitch after the final whistle yesterday and the reaction of Solly when he was moved into central midfield.
From what I saw it didn't look like the booing of Fraeye would harm them, quite the opposite in fact.
In my opinion the guy has no idea what he's doing. We had no idea of how to score a goal in the first half yesterday - there was no route to goal whatsoever.
Bringing on a left footed left back to play right back when he only has Vaz Te in front of him was a recipe for disaster and therefore he must take some responsibility for THD's sending off.
Taking Ba off at half time when Jackson was clearly already injured was a dumb move and the decision to move Solly into midfield was clearly just a case of moving our best player into a gap that needed filling.
I know you've spoken to him and heard what he's got to say @Desperate_Pete and you were obviously impressed. Well actions speak louder than words and I've seen the way he sets his team up and his reactions to the play and I'm distinctly unimpressed.
Combine that with the fact that he's nowhere near qualified to be anywhere near the club in any capacity apart from his aptitude to towing the party line and you can see why he's not particularly popular surely?
I saw the players on the pitch after the final whistle yesterday and the reaction of Solly when he was moved into central midfield.
From what I saw it didn't look like the booing of Fraeye would harm them, quite the opposite in fact.
In my opinion the guy has no idea what he's doing. We had no idea of how to score a goal in the first half yesterday - there was no route to goal whatsoever.
Bringing on a left footed left back to play right back when he only has Vaz Te in front of him was a recipe for disaster and therefore he must take some responsibility for THD's sending off.
Taking Ba off at half time when Jackson was clearly already injured was a dumb move and the decision to move Solly into midfield was clearly just a case of moving our best player into a gap that needed filling.
I know you've spoken to him and heard what he's got to say @Desperate_Pete and you were obviously impressed. Well actions speak louder than words and I've seen the way he sets his team up and his reactions to the play and I'm distinctly unimpressed.
Combine that with the fact that he's nowhere near qualified to be anywhere near the club in any capacity apart from his aptitude to towing the party line and you can see why he's not particularly popular surely?
His in game decisions are the worst I have seen from any manager.
In all my time supporting Charlton (going back to 1963), I've seen us turn against managers several times. As happens at every club. But I have never seen anything like this where the fans manage to so carefully target their wrath at the manager while making sure the players feel supported. And I am pretty sure the players are indeed behaving accordingly at the final whistle, as others have said.
The reason why this is happening is clear enough. While there was a lot of scepticism about his credentials, there were plenty of fair minded people prepared to give him a chance, citing Lennie and Curbs. However 9-10 games in it is quite obvious that he cannot get results. And what pisses people off is that performances under him are worse than under those who were sacked (remember Cardiff at home this timeish last year under Peeters?), yet the regime appears under no inclination to sack him as they did all the others.
My brother recently done a delivery to Sparrows Lane of which at the time the whole squad was having breakfast. At the time of them having breakfast, the only person sitting on their own with no one speaking to him or acknowledging him was our amazing interim manager Fraeye. Kind of shows the support the players want to give him too!
I saw the players on the pitch after the final whistle yesterday and the reaction of Solly when he was moved into central midfield.
From what I saw it didn't look like the booing of Fraeye would harm them, quite the opposite in fact.
In my opinion the guy has no idea what he's doing. We had no idea of how to score a goal in the first half yesterday - there was no route to goal whatsoever.
Bringing on a left footed left back to play right back when he only has Vaz Te in front of him was a recipe for disaster and therefore he must take some responsibility for THD's sending off.
Taking Ba off at half time when Jackson was clearly already injured was a dumb move and the decision to move Solly into midfield was clearly just a case of moving our best player into a gap that needed filling.
I know you've spoken to him and heard what he's got to say @Desperate_Pete and you were obviously impressed. Well actions speak louder than words and I've seen the way he sets his team up and his reactions to the play and I'm distinctly unimpressed.
Combine that with the fact that he's nowhere near qualified to be anywhere near the club in any capacity apart from his aptitude to towing the party line and you can see why he's not particularly popular surely?
Clear response tricky and I thank you for that. So the points you mentioned. Okay the booing of KF may or may not harm the team. I would say that the team is set up firstly on the basis of who is fit enough and secondly tactically and 'no doubt' Jason has an opinion as well. JBG coming on in the second half was I suspect always planned remembering that he is coming back from injury and this improved the attacking aspect immensely I think. THD coming in to play on the right side - well he has played to good effect on this side before although I agree that Vaz Te gives little protection (he is not really fit is he, yet he is talented and can score so...). He is young and stupid to do what he did after being booked once but he will learn from this. I think that JJ is sensible enough to say if he is injured and perhaps if he did at half time then Ba may have not been the one substituted to bring JBG on. If Fox was not to be substituted and he had a reasonable game then it could be argued that playing THD on the right would be okay and Solly has played in midfield before. The point is there are only a limited number of players that are available or good enough (Moussa and Berdich we can forget about) so any substitution is not necessarily going to make us play better..... I understand that peoples opinions on the way KF (and Jason does have an opinion) sets up his team is open to criticism - but when was it not thus? And yes I was impressed by my meeting with Karel and I have also been to the training ground and seen how hard the team work on the field (they looked happy to me by the way). I hope that he gets a little more time to see what he can achieve with a decently sized squad of players but sadly I fear that he will be made the next scapegoat of this ridiculous regime.
I think both Peeters and Luzon knew what they were doing. I can see that KF doesn't. He is a sub-standard coach with no tactical awaremess.
Agreed. He is by far the worst manager we have had under this regime.
I've said it before but every time I see his stupid face on a piece of club propaganda news it really annoys me. Not a violent man but he is very punchable.
I saw the players on the pitch after the final whistle yesterday and the reaction of Solly when he was moved into central midfield.
From what I saw it didn't look like the booing of Fraeye would harm them, quite the opposite in fact.
In my opinion the guy has no idea what he's doing. We had no idea of how to score a goal in the first half yesterday - there was no route to goal whatsoever.
Bringing on a left footed left back to play right back when he only has Vaz Te in front of him was a recipe for disaster and therefore he must take some responsibility for THD's sending off.
Taking Ba off at half time when Jackson was clearly already injured was a dumb move and the decision to move Solly into midfield was clearly just a case of moving our best player into a gap that needed filling.
I know you've spoken to him and heard what he's got to say @Desperate_Pete and you were obviously impressed. Well actions speak louder than words and I've seen the way he sets his team up and his reactions to the play and I'm distinctly unimpressed.
Combine that with the fact that he's nowhere near qualified to be anywhere near the club in any capacity apart from his aptitude to towing the party line and you can see why he's not particularly popular surely?
Clear response tricky and I thank you for that. So the points you mentioned. Okay the booing of KF may or may not harm the team. I would say that the team is set up firstly on the basis of who is fit enough and secondly tactically and 'no doubt' Jason has an opinion as well. JBG coming on in the second half was I suspect always planned remembering that he is coming back from injury and this improved the attacking aspect immensely I think. THD coming in to play on the right side - well he has played to good effect on this side before although I agree that Vaz Te gives little protection (he is not really fit is he, yet he is talented and can score so...). He is young and stupid to do what he did after being booked once but he will learn from this. I think that JJ is sensible enough to say if he is injured and perhaps if he did at half time then Ba may have not been the one substituted to bring JBG on. If Fox was not to be substituted and he had a reasonable game then it could be argued that playing THD on the right would be okay and Solly has played in midfield before. The point is there are only a limited number of players that are available or good enough (Moussa and Berdich we can forget about) so any substitution is not necessarily going to make us play better..... I understand that peoples opinions on the way KF (and Jason does have an opinion) sets up his team is open to criticism - but when was it not thus? And yes I was impressed by my meeting with Karel and I have also been to the training ground and seen how hard the team work on the field (they looked happy to me by the way). I hope that he gets a little more time to see what he can achieve with a decently sized squad of players but sadly I fear that he will be made the next scapegoat of this ridiculous regime.
I hope that he gets a little more time to see what he can achieve with a decently sized squad of players but sadly I fear that he will be made the next scapegoat of this ridiculous regime.
A little more time? Is two and a half months of absolutely appalling football not enough for you to make a results-based judgement? We have been utterly, hopelessly shit - and if Nottingham Forest had been even a little bit clinical yesterday, it would have been another routine loss.
I saw the players on the pitch after the final whistle yesterday and the reaction of Solly when he was moved into central midfield.
From what I saw it didn't look like the booing of Fraeye would harm them, quite the opposite in fact.
In my opinion the guy has no idea what he's doing. We had no idea of how to score a goal in the first half yesterday - there was no route to goal whatsoever.
Bringing on a left footed left back to play right back when he only has Vaz Te in front of him was a recipe for disaster and therefore he must take some responsibility for THD's sending off.
Taking Ba off at half time when Jackson was clearly already injured was a dumb move and the decision to move Solly into midfield was clearly just a case of moving our best player into a gap that needed filling.
I know you've spoken to him and heard what he's got to say @Desperate_Pete and you were obviously impressed. Well actions speak louder than words and I've seen the way he sets his team up and his reactions to the play and I'm distinctly unimpressed.
Combine that with the fact that he's nowhere near qualified to be anywhere near the club in any capacity apart from his aptitude to towing the party line and you can see why he's not particularly popular surely?
Clear response tricky and I thank you for that. So the points you mentioned. Okay the booing of KF may or may not harm the team. I would say that the team is set up firstly on the basis of who is fit enough and secondly tactically and 'no doubt' Jason has an opinion as well. JBG coming on in the second half was I suspect always planned remembering that he is coming back from injury and this improved the attacking aspect immensely I think. THD coming in to play on the right side - well he has played to good effect on this side before although I agree that Vaz Te gives little protection (he is not really fit is he, yet he is talented and can score so...). He is young and stupid to do what he did after being booked once but he will learn from this. I think that JJ is sensible enough to say if he is injured and perhaps if he did at half time then Ba may have not been the one substituted to bring JBG on. If Fox was not to be substituted and he had a reasonable game then it could be argued that playing THD on the right would be okay and Solly has played in midfield before. The point is there are only a limited number of players that are available or good enough (Moussa and Berdich we can forget about) so any substitution is not necessarily going to make us play better..... I understand that peoples opinions on the way KF (and Jason does have an opinion) sets up his team is open to criticism - but when was it not thus? And yes I was impressed by my meeting with Karel and I have also been to the training ground and seen how hard the team work on the field (they looked happy to me by the way). I hope that he gets a little more time to see what he can achieve with a decently sized squad of players but sadly I fear that he will be made the next scapegoat of this ridiculous regime.
In Black and White, Karel Fraeye came from division 3 in Belgium.
He is managing a Championship club in England which is a world away from what he is used to.
I saw the players on the pitch after the final whistle yesterday and the reaction of Solly when he was moved into central midfield.
From what I saw it didn't look like the booing of Fraeye would harm them, quite the opposite in fact.
In my opinion the guy has no idea what he's doing. We had no idea of how to score a goal in the first half yesterday - there was no route to goal whatsoever.
Bringing on a left footed left back to play right back when he only has Vaz Te in front of him was a recipe for disaster and therefore he must take some responsibility for THD's sending off.
Taking Ba off at half time when Jackson was clearly already injured was a dumb move and the decision to move Solly into midfield was clearly just a case of moving our best player into a gap that needed filling.
I know you've spoken to him and heard what he's got to say @Desperate_Pete and you were obviously impressed. Well actions speak louder than words and I've seen the way he sets his team up and his reactions to the play and I'm distinctly unimpressed.
Combine that with the fact that he's nowhere near qualified to be anywhere near the club in any capacity apart from his aptitude to towing the party line and you can see why he's not particularly popular surely?
Clear response tricky and I thank you for that. So the points you mentioned. Okay the booing of KF may or may not harm the team. I would say that the team is set up firstly on the basis of who is fit enough and secondly tactically and 'no doubt' Jason has an opinion as well. JBG coming on in the second half was I suspect always planned remembering that he is coming back from injury and this improved the attacking aspect immensely I think. THD coming in to play on the right side - well he has played to good effect on this side before although I agree that Vaz Te gives little protection (he is not really fit is he, yet he is talented and can score so...). He is young and stupid to do what he did after being booked once but he will learn from this. I think that JJ is sensible enough to say if he is injured and perhaps if he did at half time then Ba may have not been the one substituted to bring JBG on. If Fox was not to be substituted and he had a reasonable game then it could be argued that playing THD on the right would be okay and Solly has played in midfield before. The point is there are only a limited number of players that are available or good enough (Moussa and Berdich we can forget about) so any substitution is not necessarily going to make us play better..... I understand that peoples opinions on the way KF (and Jason does have an opinion) sets up his team is open to criticism - but when was it not thus? And yes I was impressed by my meeting with Karel and I have also been to the training ground and seen how hard the team work on the field (they looked happy to me by the way). I hope that he gets a little more time to see what he can achieve with a decently sized squad of players but sadly I fear that he will be made the next scapegoat of this ridiculous regime.
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if we can continue to get behind the team like that, we can act as multi-interim managers because i'm pretty sure the players get more motivation from us than that freeloader.
Fraeye really needs to take a good hard look in the mirror at himself, and question himself regarding whether he really likes seeing the spineless bastard looking back at himself. I don't for one second believe that even Fraeye is stupid enough to really believe his own words, not when even the opposition manager commented on our support through difficult times.
Get out Fraeye, there's no coming back from this one - you've demonstrated exactly how much loyalty you feel towards the fans and you've also shown your tactical ineptitude on numerous occasions. I'm sure there's a Belgian village looking for their idiot right now, maybe you should do them a favour and return.
What are you - his agent or something?
To sum up some of my experiences at the Leeds match; I left the stand to grab some food immediately at the half time whistle, by the time I'd managed to navigate the queue and get served I could hear the players coming out on the pitch.. great, I've spent 15 minutes just getting to the front of the queue.
I ordered a Chicken Balti pie and a cup of Bovril; there was no point trying to down a pint with the match kicking off as I ordered. I was told there was no Bovril left, so opted for a hot chocolate. I was then told there was no Chicken Balti pies, only one steak pie and the rest where cheese and onion. I opted for the last steak pie.
I stood in the concourse, listening to the match echo down the staircase.. eating a lukewarm (bordering on cold in places) pie, and a chunky hot chocolate which hadn't even been stirred.
In short, I waited for 15 minutes to get served, missed some of the action I'd paid to come and see, and was served substandard food (which I didn't even want, but had queued up for so long I felt I might as well have bought something) for a pretty horrific price (£2 for a bottle of water?!)..
If that kind of service had happened in a restaurant I think I probably would demand to see someone higher up, and I sure as hell wouldn't expect to be paying full price for that total disaster. Unfortunately, this has echoed my experience every time I've sat in the Upper West: and let's face it, we're hardly pulling in full crowds at the moment.
Feeling mugged off by the CEO during the pre-match protest didn't exactly add anything to my experience either. I was quite glad I'd forgotten to get cash out on Saturday as it meant there was no way on earth I'd be giving more of my hard earned cash to the club just because it felt convenient to grab some half time grub.
Do I blame him for taking the job ? No. He seems deluded enough to think he might have been qualified enough.
We need him replaced with someone who is experienced and not at backstabbing.
From what I saw it didn't look like the booing of Fraeye would harm them, quite the opposite in fact.
In my opinion the guy has no idea what he's doing. We had no idea of how to score a goal in the first half yesterday - there was no route to goal whatsoever.
Bringing on a left footed left back to play right back when he only has Vaz Te in front of him was a recipe for disaster and therefore he must take some responsibility for THD's sending off.
Taking Ba off at half time when Jackson was clearly already injured was a dumb move and the decision to move Solly into midfield was clearly just a case of moving our best player into a gap that needed filling.
I know you've spoken to him and heard what he's got to say @Desperate_Pete and you were obviously impressed. Well actions speak louder than words and I've seen the way he sets his team up and his reactions to the play and I'm distinctly unimpressed.
Combine that with the fact that he's nowhere near qualified to be anywhere near the club in any capacity apart from his aptitude to towing the party line and you can see why he's not particularly popular surely?
In all my time supporting Charlton (going back to 1963), I've seen us turn against managers several times. As happens at every club. But I have never seen anything like this where the fans manage to so carefully target their wrath at the manager while making sure the players feel supported. And I am pretty sure the players are indeed behaving accordingly at the final whistle, as others have said.
The reason why this is happening is clear enough. While there was a lot of scepticism about his credentials, there were plenty of fair minded people prepared to give him a chance, citing Lennie and Curbs. However 9-10 games in it is quite obvious that he cannot get results. And what pisses people off is that performances under him are worse than under those who were sacked (remember Cardiff at home this timeish last year under Peeters?), yet the regime appears under no inclination to sack him as they did all the others.
Do you not recognise that?
THD coming in to play on the right side - well he has played to good effect on this side before although I agree that Vaz Te gives little protection (he is not really fit is he, yet he is talented and can score so...). He is young and stupid to do what he did after being booked once but he will learn from this. I think that JJ is sensible enough to say if he is injured and perhaps if he did at half time then Ba may have not been the one substituted to bring JBG on. If Fox was not to be substituted and he had a reasonable game then it could be argued that playing THD on the right would be okay and Solly has played in midfield before. The point is there are only a limited number of players that are available or good enough (Moussa and Berdich we can forget about) so any substitution is not necessarily going to make us play better.....
I understand that peoples opinions on the way KF (and Jason does have an opinion) sets up his team is open to criticism - but when was it not thus?
And yes I was impressed by my meeting with Karel and I have also been to the training ground and seen how hard the team work on the field (they looked happy to me by the way). I hope that he gets a little more time to see what he can achieve with a decently sized squad of players but sadly I fear that he will be made the next scapegoat of this ridiculous regime.
propagandanews it really annoys me. Not a violent man but he is very punchable.He is managing a Championship club in England which is a world away from what he is used to.
He needs to go back there.