Good luck to him but seriously feel he has choosen the wrong club, reckon Liverpool will be a further declining force in the premiership over next 10 years.
Ultimately, whatever the fee for JG, its no ones business on here.
Even Valley Gold members or supporters that pour money into the club?
Yes even them,why is it their business? We all have options, when the VG members signed, was there a caveat that says because I signed up for VG I must be included in all CAFC business dealings. So many people on here have delusions about their self importance just because they support the club,.
Ultimately, whatever the fee for JG, its no ones business on here.
Even Valley Gold members or supporters that pour money into the club?
Yes even them,why is it their business? We all have options, when the VG members signed, was there a caveat that says because I signed up for VG I must be included in all CAFC business dealings. So many people on here have delusions about their self importance just because they support the club,.
I don't think it's necessarily self-importance. They care about the future of the club, that's all. No fan should be treated with complete disregard.
Ultimately, whatever the fee for JG, its no ones business on here.
Even Valley Gold members or supporters that pour money into the club?
Valley Gold contributes about £125K a year into the club. This summer that is about to be leveraged into a £3-5M contribution to the club. That is quite spectacular! And a lot better than the £750K compo agreed with West Ham over Poyet last summer.
I am not a member of Valley Gold, but think I will join on the basis that this all helps our club become more sustainable. The way the club is going with younger players given chances and a bigger (better?) academy, one can only hope for more regular leveraged contributions to our club.
PS I find it interesting that Zaha was mentioned earlier. I wonder how many other £10M plus sales Championship clubs have made? Southampton were mugs obviously with Bale - "only £13M"... McCormack ... and of course our Darren Bent. All goal scoring talents ready for the FAPL.
Ultimately, whatever the fee for JG, its no ones business on here.
Even Valley Gold members or supporters that pour money into the club?
Yes even them,why is it their business? We all have options, when the VG members signed, was there a caveat that says because I signed up for VG I must be included in all CAFC business dealings. So many people on here have delusions about their self importance just because they support the club,.
It isn't self importance. Individual contributions of £120 a year are insignificant in the way of things - but not insignificant enough that the club doesn't encourage people to join. You only had to be at the player of the year awards to hear all the plugs for Valley Gold. So what are you participating in? Something that helps the club produce young players- that is what it is sold as. That is not to say Valley Gold members should be party to negotiations, but they should be respected by the club. I'm not saying they are not in this case, but paying into something that you are encouraged to pay into gives you rights to be angry (whether you are deemed right or wrong by others) and for the club to respect that contribution. I'm not actually saying the club hasn't in this case.
You can extend this to supporters in general. They deserve to be treated with respect and told what they can be told. Not told to like it or lump it as recent messages have basically done. It isn't about peoples self importance at all, it is just a good way to run a business like a football club where supporters are an important part. yes, you can count on their loyalty, but it isn't something you should try to push too far unless you don't mind losing revenue. Shouldn't be rocket science really!!!!
I'll be seriously annoyed if Liverpool sign him and then loan him out to Derby County.
Unless we insist on it as part of the deal there's no way they'll loan him back to us. They know what he can do here. I'd expect they'll take him on their pre season tour, then have him training with the first team squad, playing reserve games and perhaps on the bench for cup games so he can get used to life up there for 6 months.
Then they'll probably look to loan him to a side doing well at the top of the championship when we get to January.
Ultimately, whatever the fee for JG, its no ones business on here.
Even Valley Gold members or supporters that pour money into the club?
Yes even them,why is it their business? We all have options, when the VG members signed, was there a caveat that says because I signed up for VG I must be included in all CAFC business dealings. So many people on here have delusions about their self importance just because they support the club,.
It isn't self importance. Individual contributions of £120 a year are insignificant in the way of things - but not insignificant enough that the club doesn't encourage people to join. You only had to be at the player of the year awards to hear all the plugs for Valley Gold. So what are you participating in? Something that helps the club produce young players- that is what it is sold as. That is not to say Valley Gold members should be party to negotiations, but they should be respected by the club. I'm not saying they are not in this case, but paying into something that you are encouraged to pay into gives you rights to be angry (whether you are deemed right or wrong by others) and for the club to respect that contribution. I'm not actually saying the club hasn't in this case.
You can extend this to supporters in general. They deserve to be treated with respect and told what they can be told. Not told to like it or lump it as recent messages have basically done. It isn't about peoples self importance at all, it is just a good way to run a business like a football club where supporters are an important part. yes, you can count on their loyalty, but it isn't something you should try to push too far unless you don't mind losing revenue. Shouldn't be rocket science really!!!!
*Sigh* - My final comment was a separate paragraph, it was aimed at the whingers that are on this and other CAFC message boards (be they VG members or not) who think they have a divine right to dictate how our clubs owners manage his businesses. Also those that contribute to VG surely must consider that a player who cost us nothing will make the club between 3.5 million and 10 million depending on which report you read, so it has been a success. Don't talk to me about bloody loyalty, player loyalty and fan loyalty is total bullshit in football, how many fans have left our support since we fell through the leagues, how many have stated on this very site that they wont renew their tickets because the owner (the same highly successful owner who rescued our club from admin and had the balls to sack a failing club legend and keep us up) is running the club his way and they disagree with it. Ultimately its his money and his club, and he is trying to improve the club in many areas, I'm clever enough to realise he has/is assembling a core team of department managers and players to get us back to where he wants us to be and that is the EPL. That is when the fans will come back, not if we keep an academy player. All the bloody self important, know alls on the various message boards who constantly criticise and try to find anything to demean him would not have a clue where to start if they were the owner. Its not rocket science is it!
Ultimately, whatever the fee for JG, its no ones business on here.
Even Valley Gold members or supporters that pour money into the club?
Yes even them,why is it their business? We all have options, when the VG members signed, was there a caveat that says because I signed up for VG I must be included in all CAFC business dealings. So many people on here have delusions about their self importance just because they support the club,.
It isn't self importance. Individual contributions of £120 a year are insignificant in the way of things - but not insignificant enough that the club doesn't encourage people to join. You only had to be at the player of the year awards to hear all the plugs for Valley Gold. So what are you participating in? Something that helps the club produce young players- that is what it is sold as. That is not to say Valley Gold members should be party to negotiations, but they should be respected by the club. I'm not saying they are not in this case, but paying into something that you are encouraged to pay into gives you rights to be angry (whether you are deemed right or wrong by others) and for the club to respect that contribution. I'm not actually saying the club hasn't in this case.
You can extend this to supporters in general. They deserve to be treated with respect and told what they can be told. Not told to like it or lump it as recent messages have basically done. It isn't about peoples self importance at all, it is just a good way to run a business like a football club where supporters are an important part. yes, you can count on their loyalty, but it isn't something you should try to push too far unless you don't mind losing revenue. Shouldn't be rocket science really!!!!
*Sigh* - My final comment was a separate paragraph, it was aimed at the whingers that are on this and other CAFC message boards (be they VG members or not) who think they have a divine right to dictate how our clubs owners manage his businesses. Also those that contribute to VG surely must consider that a player who cost us nothing will make the club between 3.5 million and 10 million depending on which report you read, so it has been a success. Don't talk to me about bloody loyalty, player loyalty and fan loyalty is total bullshit in football, how many fans have left our support since we fell through the leagues, how many have stated on this very site that they wont renew their tickets because the owner (the same highly successful owner who rescued our club from admin and had the balls to sack a failing club legend and keep us up) is running the club his way and they disagree with it. Ultimately its his money and his club, and he is trying to improve the club in many areas, I'm clever enough to realise he has/is assembling a core team of department managers and players to get us back to where he wants us to be and that is the EPL. That is when the fans will come back, not if we keep an academy player. All the bloody self important, know alls on the various message boards who constantly criticise and try to find anything to demean him would not have a clue where to start if they were the owner. Its not rocket science is it!
Ultimately, whatever the fee for JG, its no ones business on here.
Even Valley Gold members or supporters that pour money into the club?
Yes even them,why is it their business? We all have options, when the VG members signed, was there a caveat that says because I signed up for VG I must be included in all CAFC business dealings. So many people on here have delusions about their self importance just because they support the club,.
It isn't self importance. Individual contributions of £120 a year are insignificant in the way of things - but not insignificant enough that the club doesn't encourage people to join. You only had to be at the player of the year awards to hear all the plugs for Valley Gold. So what are you participating in? Something that helps the club produce young players- that is what it is sold as. That is not to say Valley Gold members should be party to negotiations, but they should be respected by the club. I'm not saying they are not in this case, but paying into something that you are encouraged to pay into gives you rights to be angry (whether you are deemed right or wrong by others) and for the club to respect that contribution. I'm not actually saying the club hasn't in this case.
You can extend this to supporters in general. They deserve to be treated with respect and told what they can be told. Not told to like it or lump it as recent messages have basically done. It isn't about peoples self importance at all, it is just a good way to run a business like a football club where supporters are an important part. yes, you can count on their loyalty, but it isn't something you should try to push too far unless you don't mind losing revenue. Shouldn't be rocket science really!!!!
*Sigh* - My final comment was a separate paragraph, it was aimed at the whingers that are on this and other CAFC message boards (be they VG members or not) who think they have a divine right to dictate how our clubs owners manage his businesses. Also those that contribute to VG surely must consider that a player who cost us nothing will make the club between 3.5 million and 10 million depending on which report you read, so it has been a success. Don't talk to me about bloody loyalty, player loyalty and fan loyalty is total bullshit in football, how many fans have left our support since we fell through the leagues, how many have stated on this very site that they wont renew their tickets because the owner (the same highly successful owner who rescued our club from admin and had the balls to sack a failing club legend and keep us up) is running the club his way and they disagree with it. Ultimately its his money and his club, and he is trying to improve the club in many areas, I'm clever enough to realise he has/is assembling a core team of department managers and players to get us back to where he wants us to be and that is the EPL. That is when the fans will come back, not if we keep an academy player. All the bloody self important, know alls on the various message boards who constantly criticise and try to find anything to demean him would not have a clue where to start if they were the owner. Its not rocket science is it!
Ultimately, whatever the fee for JG, its no ones business on here.
Even Valley Gold members or supporters that pour money into the club?
Yes even them,why is it their business? We all have options, when the VG members signed, was there a caveat that says because I signed up for VG I must be included in all CAFC business dealings. So many people on here have delusions about their self importance just because they support the club,.
It isn't self importance. Individual contributions of £120 a year are insignificant in the way of things - but not insignificant enough that the club doesn't encourage people to join. You only had to be at the player of the year awards to hear all the plugs for Valley Gold. So what are you participating in? Something that helps the club produce young players- that is what it is sold as. That is not to say Valley Gold members should be party to negotiations, but they should be respected by the club. I'm not saying they are not in this case, but paying into something that you are encouraged to pay into gives you rights to be angry (whether you are deemed right or wrong by others) and for the club to respect that contribution. I'm not actually saying the club hasn't in this case.
You can extend this to supporters in general. They deserve to be treated with respect and told what they can be told. Not told to like it or lump it as recent messages have basically done. It isn't about peoples self importance at all, it is just a good way to run a business like a football club where supporters are an important part. yes, you can count on their loyalty, but it isn't something you should try to push too far unless you don't mind losing revenue. Shouldn't be rocket science really!!!!
*Sigh* - My final comment was a separate paragraph, it was aimed at the whingers that are on this and other CAFC message boards (be they VG members or not) who think they have a divine right to dictate how our clubs owners manage his businesses. Also those that contribute to VG surely must consider that a player who cost us nothing will make the club between 3.5 million and 10 million depending on which report you read, so it has been a success. Don't talk to me about bloody loyalty, player loyalty and fan loyalty is total bullshit in football, how many fans have left our support since we fell through the leagues, how many have stated on this very site that they wont renew their tickets because the owner (the same highly successful owner who rescued our club from admin and had the balls to sack a failing club legend and keep us up) is running the club his way and they disagree with it. Ultimately its his money and his club, and he is trying to improve the club in many areas, I'm clever enough to realise he has/is assembling a core team of department managers and players to get us back to where he wants us to be and that is the EPL. That is when the fans will come back, not if we keep an academy player. All the bloody self important, know alls on the various message boards who constantly criticise and try to find anything to demean him would not have a clue where to start if they were the owner. Its not rocket science is it!
There's a fair bit of irony in there to be honest Greenie - even if you do make some valid points (and some crap ones too).
with regards to any loan deal, unless we stipulate that part of the deal is Joe coming back, we have no chance.
if Liverpool are trying to settle an 18 year old Londoner in the land of thief's, sending him back to London isn't going to help him.......
He will live nowhere near Liverpool, lets be honest, the only time he will visit the city will be to play football.
but his house will be a lot closer to the likes of Bolton than London.
the point I was making is , if they are trying to get him to settle up north they will not send him back to lndon
Yes I get what you mean, but a large house with a large garden, a double garage, a swimming pool and room for a pony is much the same if it's in a leafy village in Kent or a leafy village in Lancashire.
Although footballers are not generally the sharpest tools in the box, I think we sometimes do them a disservice with this whole "settling" thing, a few (very few) players over the years have had a problem, but the vast majority, young and old, are capable of knuckling down for a few years in a place they might not necessarily ideally like to live, especially when they are earning decent money for doing so.
If he gets loaned anywhere from Watford and London clubs then I think it's right to have a bit of a moan up, Anywhere north or down sth, Norfolk style clubs then it is what it is
Very surprised it hasn't happened yet tbh , so something must be sticking point
If he gets loaned anywhere from Watford and London clubs then I think it's right to have a bit of a moan up, Anywhere north or down sth, Norfolk style clubs then it is what it is
Very surprised it hasn't happened yet tbh , so something must be sticking point
Roland wants to tell CL readers the details, the mickeys are having none of it...
Why would Gomez want to come back on a year's loan? I believe the reason he left was because of the uncertainty over the playing staff next season, particularly at CB, with all the experienced ones gone. Until recently he gave every indication of being happy to stay at Charlton next season, but all the chopping and changing didn't make us an attractive prospect.
An 18 year old left because of the uncertainty over the playing staff for next season!! - do me a favour!
If you believe that, you'll believe anything!
An 18-year-old can be intelligent and sensible. And he wouldn't be making the decision on his own, anyway. We are already bookies favourites for relegation, not without reason. And if you look at the CB position, we have Thomas, Lennon and Obileye as potential partners for Gomez. Would he really fancy a relegation scrap with a back 4 of Solly, Gomez, Obileye and Fox? Call me naive, but I don't think that prospect would have appealed too much to him.
Why would Liverpool lie about a release clause? Just makes them look stupid when they do bid £5m+.
Have Liverpool said that publicly?
Their reason to lie is to make out they got a bargain. On the other hand it is in Charlton's interest to make out that they got the best price ie £6 plus.
We need to learn from the contractual cock-ups of this situation and Katrien needs to use her expertise to tie up cast iron deals for KAG, Konza, Umerah, Hanlan Mitov and Edwards. All of whom I'd like to see in 1st team action next season.
I understand that Gomez' agent gave Liverpool the lowdown on all aspects of Gomez contract. They knew exactly what was in it, and as a result Charlton's negotiating position was completely undermined.
Why would Gomez want to come back on a year's loan? I believe the reason he left was because of the uncertainty over the playing staff next season, particularly at CB, with all the experienced ones gone. Until recently he gave every indication of being happy to stay at Charlton next season, but all the chopping and changing didn't make us an attractive prospect.
An 18 year old left because of the uncertainty over the playing staff for next season!! - do me a favour!
If you believe that, you'll believe anything!
An 18-year-old can be intelligent and sensible. And he wouldn't be making the decision on his own, anyway. We are already bookies favourites for relegation, not without reason. And if you look at the CB position, we have Thomas, Lennon and Obileye as potential partners for Gomez. Would he really fancy a relegation scrap with a back 4 of Solly, Gomez, Obileye and Fox? Call me naive, but I don't think that prospect would have appealed too much to him.
Why would he not expect any/many new signings? We were in a similar position last year until we made several signings.
Why would Gomez want to come back on a year's loan? I believe the reason he left was because of the uncertainty over the playing staff next season, particularly at CB, with all the experienced ones gone. Until recently he gave every indication of being happy to stay at Charlton next season, but all the chopping and changing didn't make us an attractive prospect.
An 18 year old left because of the uncertainty over the playing staff for next season!! - do me a favour!
If you believe that, you'll believe anything!
An 18-year-old can be intelligent and sensible. And he wouldn't be making the decision on his own, anyway. We are already bookies favourites for relegation, not without reason. And if you look at the CB position, we have Thomas, Lennon and Obileye as potential partners for Gomez. Would he really fancy a relegation scrap with a back 4 of Solly, Gomez, Obileye and Fox? Call me naive, but I don't think that prospect would have appealed too much to him.
Why would he not expect any/many new signings? We were in a similar position last year until we made several signings.
Exactly. A revolving door policy. Different manager too.
Ultimately, whatever the fee for JG, its no ones business on here.
Even Valley Gold members or supporters that pour money into the club?
Yes even them,why is it their business? We all have options, when the VG members signed, was there a caveat that says because I signed up for VG I must be included in all CAFC business dealings. So many people on here have delusions about their self importance just because they support the club,.
It isn't self importance. Individual contributions of £120 a year are insignificant in the way of things - but not insignificant enough that the club doesn't encourage people to join. You only had to be at the player of the year awards to hear all the plugs for Valley Gold. So what are you participating in? Something that helps the club produce young players- that is what it is sold as. That is not to say Valley Gold members should be party to negotiations, but they should be respected by the club. I'm not saying they are not in this case, but paying into something that you are encouraged to pay into gives you rights to be angry (whether you are deemed right or wrong by others) and for the club to respect that contribution. I'm not actually saying the club hasn't in this case.
You can extend this to supporters in general. They deserve to be treated with respect and told what they can be told. Not told to like it or lump it as recent messages have basically done. It isn't about peoples self importance at all, it is just a good way to run a business like a football club where supporters are an important part. yes, you can count on their loyalty, but it isn't something you should try to push too far unless you don't mind losing revenue. Shouldn't be rocket science really!!!!
*Sigh* - My final comment was a separate paragraph, it was aimed at the whingers that are on this and other CAFC message boards (be they VG members or not) who think they have a divine right to dictate how our clubs owners manage his businesses. Also those that contribute to VG surely must consider that a player who cost us nothing will make the club between 3.5 million and 10 million depending on which report you read, so it has been a success. Don't talk to me about bloody loyalty, player loyalty and fan loyalty is total bullshit in football, how many fans have left our support since we fell through the leagues, how many have stated on this very site that they wont renew their tickets because the owner (the same highly successful owner who rescued our club from admin and had the balls to sack a failing club legend and keep us up) is running the club his way and they disagree with it. Ultimately its his money and his club, and he is trying to improve the club in many areas, I'm clever enough to realise he has/is assembling a core team of department managers and players to get us back to where he wants us to be and that is the EPL. That is when the fans will come back, not if we keep an academy player. All the bloody self important, know alls on the various message boards who constantly criticise and try to find anything to demean him would not have a clue where to start if they were the owner. Its not rocket science is it!
Yes, RD is doing much to make us a sustainable business operating to a new model. This we know. But any evidence yet of a "core team of players to get us back to the EPL"?
Of course RD wants us in the Premier League. No owner wouldn't. But himself and Meire repeatedly talk about sustainability before promotion. Again, that's fine depending on whichever you see it - and selling players like Gomez is a key part of that. But with many other champ clubs spending big, with parachute payments increasing and FFP set to relax, RD and Meire know full well (and have gone on record) that serious promotion pushes requires huge investments (and potentially crippling after-effects) which doesn't seem to be our model. Point is that RD and his "core team's" first priority is a competitive team but one built to a specific model. Promotion is a bonus. And an unlikely one at that.
Sorry for going off topic. Wish Gomez well, obviously.
Good insight into views of fans of different level clubs. Just looked at a Liverpool forum, the comments are
"I love seeing us buying young talent, I love seeing them develop into first team regulars"
"I'm with you there, it's the perfect model - hover up all the best English talent, suplement it with choice imports"
Everyone likes seeing good youngsters break through and flourish I their first team. I think we have to accept now that anyone with real quality / potential will never feature in our first team for more than half a season, if they even make it to the first team at all before being snapped up.
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We all have options, when the VG members signed, was there a caveat that says because I signed up for VG I must be included in all CAFC business dealings.
So many people on here have delusions about their self importance just because they support the club,.
I am not a member of Valley Gold, but think I will join on the basis that this all helps our club become more sustainable. The way the club is going with younger players given chances and a bigger (better?) academy, one can only hope for more regular leveraged contributions to our club.
PS I find it interesting that Zaha was mentioned earlier. I wonder how many other £10M plus sales Championship clubs have made? Southampton were mugs obviously with Bale - "only £13M"... McCormack ... and of course our Darren Bent. All goal scoring talents ready for the FAPL.
could be that it's hit a snag.
reckon Brendan took Joe out to show him Liverpool City Centre in the company Capri and Joe's had 2nd thoughts.
You can extend this to supporters in general. They deserve to be treated with respect and told what they can be told. Not told to like it or lump it as recent messages have basically done. It isn't about peoples self importance at all, it is just a good way to run a business like a football club where supporters are an important part. yes, you can count on their loyalty, but it isn't something you should try to push too far unless you don't mind losing revenue. Shouldn't be rocket science really!!!!
Unless we insist on it as part of the deal there's no way they'll loan him back to us. They know what he can do here. I'd expect they'll take him on their pre season tour, then have him training with the first team squad, playing reserve games and perhaps on the bench for cup games so he can get used to life up there for 6 months.
Then they'll probably look to loan him to a side doing well at the top of the championship when we get to January.
Also those that contribute to VG surely must consider that a player who cost us nothing will make the club between 3.5 million and 10 million depending on which report you read, so it has been a success.
Don't talk to me about bloody loyalty, player loyalty and fan loyalty is total bullshit in football, how many fans have left our support since we fell through the leagues, how many have stated on this very site that they wont renew their tickets because the owner (the same highly successful owner who rescued our club from admin and had the balls to sack a failing club legend and keep us up) is running the club his way and they disagree with it.
Ultimately its his money and his club, and he is trying to improve the club in many areas, I'm clever enough to realise he has/is assembling a core team of department managers and players to get us back to where he wants us to be and that is the EPL. That is when the fans will come back, not if we keep an academy player.
All the bloody self important, know alls on the various message boards who constantly criticise and try to find anything to demean him would not have a clue where to start if they were the owner.
Its not rocket science is it!
Spot on, @Greenie
if Liverpool are trying to settle an 18 year old Londoner in the land of thief's, sending him back to London isn't going to help him.......
the point I was making is , if they are trying to get him to settle up north they will not send him back to lndon
Although footballers are not generally the sharpest tools in the box, I think we sometimes do them a disservice with this whole "settling" thing, a few (very few) players over the years have had a problem, but the vast majority, young and old, are capable of knuckling down for a few years in a place they might not necessarily ideally like to live, especially when they are earning decent money for doing so.
Very surprised it hasn't happened yet tbh , so something must be sticking point
Of course RD wants us in the Premier League. No owner wouldn't. But himself and Meire repeatedly talk about sustainability before promotion. Again, that's fine depending on whichever you see it - and selling players like Gomez is a key part of that. But with many other champ clubs spending big, with parachute payments increasing and FFP set to relax, RD and Meire know full well (and have gone on record) that serious promotion pushes requires huge investments (and potentially crippling after-effects) which doesn't seem to be our model. Point is that RD and his "core team's" first priority is a competitive team but one built to a specific model. Promotion is a bonus. And an unlikely one at that.
Sorry for going off topic. Wish Gomez well, obviously.
"I love seeing us buying young talent, I love seeing them develop into first team regulars"
"I'm with you there, it's the perfect model - hover up all the best English talent, suplement it with choice imports"
Everyone likes seeing good youngsters break through and flourish I their first team. I think we have to accept now that anyone with real quality / potential will never feature in our first team for more than half a season, if they even make it to the first team at all before being snapped up.