Why would Gomez want to come back on a year's loan? I believe the reason he left was because of the uncertainty over the playing staff next season, particularly at CB, with all the experienced ones gone. Until recently he gave every indication of being happy to stay at Charlton next season, but all the chopping and changing didn't make us an attractive prospect.
Where's the evidence for this? Of course he would say the right things in the press, but in his situation we would all leave for vastly more cash and better prospects, whether we love Charlton or otherwise.
Now that seems to suggest and insinuate that although this loan back is becoming.a feature of the British market place where transfers are concerned , it is only in Januarys window it seems to happen and has only happend 7 times in 7 seasons , so it must be a tricky thing to negotiate In to a deal
Not only occurring in Jan
Jamaal Lascelles Sold Aug '14 by Forest to Newcastle Loaned back for the season.
Now that seems to suggest and insinuate that although this loan back is becoming.a feature of the British market place where transfers are concerned , it is only in Januarys window it seems to happen and has only happend 7 times in 7 seasons , so it must be a tricky thing to negotiate In to a deal
Not only occurring in Jan
Jamaal Lascelles Sold Aug '14 by Forest to Newcastle Loaned back for the season.
Karl Darlow as above.
Be interesting to see what happens with those two @ Newcastle next season
Why would Gomez want to come back on a year's loan? I believe the reason he left was because of the uncertainty over the playing staff next season, particularly at CB, with all the experienced ones gone. Until recently he gave every indication of being happy to stay at Charlton next season, but all the chopping and changing didn't make us an attractive prospect.
Not sure I agree with this. Joe is a young man with great talent and outstanding potential who is looking at a career length of 15 years max. He has to move on and with Liverpool's approach it would be foolish for him not to take the opportunity. Do you really think he would have stayed if we had kept all the 'experienced' centre backs?
He will always be 'Made in Charlton' and he goes with my blessing and good wishes.
Now that seems to suggest and insinuate that although this loan back is becoming.a feature of the British market place where transfers are concerned , it is only in Januarys window it seems to happen and has only happend 7 times in 7 seasons , so it must be a tricky thing to negotiate In to a deal
Not only occurring in Jan
Jamaal Lascelles Sold Aug '14 by Forest to Newcastle Loaned back for the season.
Karl Darlow as above.
Be interesting to see what happens with those two @ Newcastle next season
Both loaned out again, I'd wager. Don't think Darlow is better than Elliot, although he's got a better record of fitness
We need to learn from the contractual cock-ups of this situation and Katrien needs to use her expertise to tie up cast iron deals for KAG, Konza, Umerah, Hanlan Mitov and Edwards. All of whom I'd like to see in 1st team action next season.
Surely a contractual cock up would have been him not signing, I really cannot see what cock up has occurred in this instance, even if there is a buy-out clause who is to say he would have signed a contract were it set higher?
We need to learn from the contractual cock-ups of this situation and Katrien needs to use her expertise to tie up cast iron deals for KAG, Konza, Umerah, Hanlan Mitov and Edwards. All of whom I'd like to see in 1st team action next season.
What contractual cock-up would that be?
Firstly we don't know whether a release clause is in the contract - and secondly if it is then that's a very good reason for Joe to sign his existing contract. Don't forget that he DID sign that contract - he didn't have to and could have walked away and we'd have got a fraction of what we are likely to get now.
We need to learn from the contractual cock-ups of this situation and Katrien needs to use her expertise to tie up cast iron deals for KAG, Konza, Umerah, Hanlan Mitov and Edwards. All of whom I'd like to see in 1st team action next season.
One of the things that we need to think about - but which is difficult to protect against - is the role of agents. I understand that Gomez' agent gave Liverpool the lowdown on all aspects of Gomez contract. They knew exactly what was in it, and as a result Charlton's negotiating position was completely undermined.
This puts a rather different perspective on @nth london addick s view of the "great job" Gomez agent did for him. Sure, great job. And not illegal. But it stinks. Stinks to high heaven.
Like I said before, people traffickers in Armani, and high time their activities were curbed. Personally I would like to see agents restricted to acting only on behalf of the buyers, while players interests are handled by a unit of the PFA (which already exists). Scumbags.
We need to learn from the contractual cock-ups of this situation and Katrien needs to use her expertise to tie up cast iron deals for KAG, Konza, Umerah, Hanlan Mitov and Edwards. All of whom I'd like to see in 1st team action next season.
I understand that Gomez' agent gave Liverpool the lowdown on all aspects of Gomez contract. They knew exactly what was in it, and as a result Charlton's negotiating position was completely undermined.
I'm not going to argue with you about agents Prague as I feel fairly simlarly about these parasites.
However, surely all job application forms ask you what your existing contract terms are so the new employer can pitch their terms at the most attractive level?
It proves the agent did a great job for his client PA not that I agree with it or like it, but if I employ some one to do the best for me, then that's all I care about, the club would understand that the role of agents is to get the deal done for their client and in the process would have been well aware that everything in that contract unless bound by a confidentiality clause and severe implications for any breach or investigation into info being divulged outside of that contract, would be drip fed into the potential suitor
Agents are the bain of football but there is little that can be done about it, it's down to the club to reach a satisfactory conclusion in advance to cover that risk
I don't see that anyone has done anything wrong thus far in getting the best they can out of this deal and acting in.the benefit of their respective interest
It proves the agent did a great job for his client PA not that I agree with it or like it, but if I employ some one to do the best for me, then that's all I care about, the club would understand that the role of agents is to get the deal done for their client and in the process would have been well aware that everything in that contract unless bound by a confidentiality clause and severe implications for any breach or investigation into info being divulged outside of that contract, would be drip fed into the potential suitor
Agents are the bain of football but there is little that can be done about it, it's down to the club to reach a satisfactory conclusion in advance to cover that risk
I don't see that anyone has done anything wrong thus far in getting the best they can out of this deal and acting in.the benefit of their respective interest
Has he though? Let's use the theoretical amounts we have seen written about on here. We get £3.5m, we could have got £6m. Agent Fatwallet may have deprived his client - JG - of a percentage of an extra £2.5m? Okay, he loses his percentage of that extra, but perhaps he is in a hurry to do the deal, and needs a slice of wedge PDQ? Perhaps he's a Liverpool "fan" and wants his man in there as a way into their inner sanctum, for both personal and possibly business reasons. Just a thought.
Why would Gomez want to come back on a year's loan? I believe the reason he left was because of the uncertainty over the playing staff next season, particularly at CB, with all the experienced ones gone. Until recently he gave every indication of being happy to stay at Charlton next season, but all the chopping and changing didn't make us an attractive prospect.
An 18 year old left because of the uncertainty over the playing staff for next season!! - do me a favour!
Why would Gomez want to come back on a year's loan? I believe the reason he left was because of the uncertainty over the playing staff next season, particularly at CB, with all the experienced ones gone. Until recently he gave every indication of being happy to stay at Charlton next season, but all the chopping and changing didn't make us an attractive prospect.
An 18 year old left because of the uncertainty over the playing staff for next season!! - do me a favour!
If you believe that, you'll believe anything!
There seems to be some uncertainty about the playing staff where he is going too!
It proves the agent did a great job for his client PA not that I agree with it or like it, but if I employ some one to do the best for me, then that's all I care about, the club would understand that the role of agents is to get the deal done for their client and in the process would have been well aware that everything in that contract unless bound by a confidentiality clause and severe implications for any breach or investigation into info being divulged outside of that contract, would be drip fed into the potential suitor
Agents are the bain of football but there is little that can be done about it, it's down to the club to reach a satisfactory conclusion in advance to cover that risk
I don't see that anyone has done anything wrong thus far in getting the best they can out of this deal and acting in.the benefit of their respective interest
Has he though? Let's use the theoretical amounts we have seen written about on here. We get £3.5m, we could have got £6m. Agent Fatwallet may have deprived his client - JG - of a percentage of an extra £2.5m? Okay, he loses his percentage of that extra, but perhaps he is in a hurry to do the deal, and needs a slice of wedge PDQ? Perhaps he's a Liverpool "fan" and wants his man in there as a way into their inner sanctum, for both personal and possibly business reasons. Just a thought.
There is ALWAYS some 'Hidden Agenda' in most transactions...
We need to learn from the contractual cock-ups of this situation and Katrien needs to use her expertise to tie up cast iron deals for KAG, Konza, Umerah, Hanlan Mitov and Edwards. All of whom I'd like to see in 1st team action next season.
I understand that Gomez' agent gave Liverpool the lowdown on all aspects of Gomez contract. They knew exactly what was in it, and as a result Charlton's negotiating position was completely undermined.
I'm not going to argue with you about agents Prague as I feel fairly simlarly about these parasites.
However, surely all job application forms ask you what your existing contract terms are so the new employer can pitch their terms at the most attractive level?
Well the hiring of a high level footballer can't be thought of as the same as a process of hiring where an application form is filled out. Its more like the hiring of a senior manager - but with the two differences that the senior manager is "owned" by his employer, and has an agent acting on his behalf.
What we see here is that Gomez' agent decided to help Liverpool in this, not Charlton. So while these assholes are allowed to plunder the game without restriction, we need to think about how we asa club protect ourselves from them. NLA himself has provided a solution. Put strict NDA clauses into the contracts.
Why would Liverpool lie about a release clause? Just makes them look stupid when they do bid £5m+.
Have Liverpool said that publicly?
Their reason to lie is to make out they got a bargain. On the other hand it is in Charlton's interest to make out that they got the best price ie £6 plus.
We need to learn from the contractual cock-ups of this situation and Katrien needs to use her expertise to tie up cast iron deals for KAG, Konza, Umerah, Hanlan Mitov and Edwards. All of whom I'd like to see in 1st team action next season.
I understand that Gomez' agent gave Liverpool the lowdown on all aspects of Gomez contract. They knew exactly what was in it, and as a result Charlton's negotiating position was completely undermined.
Surely savings on the fee could translate into additional wages for the player, once signed? Do agents only get a percentage of the fee, or of the wage as well?
The main crux of this is that there is dispute if the clause even exists
What has been mentioned is that to get the extra year into joes last contract agreements and things were included so that we were in a position to negotiate with any suitors rather than Joe leave for next to nothing ,
Now if the clause exists then the agent has done his job in the initial discussions as he hasn't gone too greedy with the release clause figure so it doesn't scare off potential moves
Do I like it no not really , do I think all agents are parasites nope I don't, I know a couple quite well and although I'd employ them tomorrow to negotiate for me they are not all about the pound note , there are chairmen and ceo for clubs that are more parasitic and cancerous
Like it or not cal I would bet some serious money that he will be loaned out not for a long period initially but for the reasons I stated earlier , it is all part of the learning and development of I'd say 95% of all young players with bags of potential moving to the big clubs
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Bournemouth? That would be a real kick in the teeth, if he went there.
Jamaal Lascelles
Sold Aug '14 by Forest to Newcastle
Loaned back for the season.
Karl Darlow as above.
He will always be 'Made in Charlton' and he goes with my blessing and good wishes.
Firstly we don't know whether a release clause is in the contract - and secondly if it is then that's a very good reason for Joe to sign his existing contract. Don't forget that he DID sign that contract - he didn't have to and could have walked away and we'd have got a fraction of what we are likely to get now.
There is no such thing as a cast-iron deal.
This puts a rather different perspective on @nth london addick s view of the "great job" Gomez agent did for him. Sure, great job. And not illegal. But it stinks. Stinks to high heaven.
Like I said before, people traffickers in Armani, and high time their activities were curbed. Personally I would like to see agents restricted to acting only on behalf of the buyers, while players interests are handled by a unit of the PFA (which already exists). Scumbags.
However, surely all job application forms ask you what your existing contract terms are so the new employer can pitch their terms at the most attractive level?
Agents are the bain of football but there is little that can be done about it, it's down to the club to reach a satisfactory conclusion in advance to cover that risk
I don't see that anyone has done anything wrong thus far in getting the best they can out of this deal and acting in.the benefit of their respective interest
If you believe that, you'll believe anything!
What we see here is that Gomez' agent decided to help Liverpool in this, not Charlton. So while these assholes are allowed to plunder the game without restriction, we need to think about how we asa club protect ourselves from them. NLA himself has provided a solution. Put strict NDA clauses into the contracts.
or am i missing summit?
Their reason to lie is to make out they got a bargain. On the other hand it is in Charlton's interest to make out that they got the best price ie £6 plus. Did RM tell you what the fee and adds on are?
What has been mentioned is that to get the extra year into joes last contract agreements and things were included so that we were in a position to negotiate with any suitors rather than Joe leave for next to nothing ,
Now if the clause exists then the agent has done his job in the initial discussions as he hasn't gone too greedy with the release clause figure so it doesn't scare off potential moves
Do I like it no not really , do I think all agents are parasites nope I don't, I know a couple quite well and although I'd employ them tomorrow to negotiate for me they are not all about the pound note , there are chairmen and ceo for clubs that are more parasitic and cancerous