Twas ever thus, NLA. However I would say differing opinions rather than divided!
My take on this is that because the full details are not available people (some) fill the spaces with assumptions. £3.5 mill is a joke versus £10m is good business. We just don't know the full amount and that could be for very valid reasons - RD may not want it known as players we want all of a sudden get more expensive - Liverpool may not want it known for their own reasons - Joe himself may not want it known. It's a commercial deal between two private companies.
The total deal is likely to be between £6-10 million (a guess - it could be less) - and for me that's pretty good business for a lad with great potential who has played 20 first team games in the Championship. Liverpool are taking a gamble that the potential shown so far will translate into a top six Premiership player.
Some say what's the point of the academy when we always sell our best graduates - well that's the whole point of the academy for a club our size. It makes us sustainable. Also don't forget that Joe did sign a new contract - he didn't have to and we would have ended up with another Poyet situation. I feel he has handled himself very well throughout and I wish him nothing but great success in the future - he deserves it.
The big thing for me here is whether we've got a sell on clause. If Joe turns out to be the megastar we hope, Liverpool won't be able to hang on to him either and the even bigger boys will pay a kings ransom. Now if it's, say, 15% of any profit and he goes for, I don't know, 30million, that gives us about 4 million more if he went for an initial 3.5. All guesswork of course, I don't pretend to be in the know at all, but I hope we'll see a headline about a massive windfall for Charlton in about 4 or 5 years time. Of course, we want funds now, but more money a bit further down the line can't hurt can it?
Did Joe sign his 3 year deal before he'd played a first team game ? Was Poyet only offered a shorter deal at that stage ? Was it only once Poyet started smashing it up that a new deal was offered If Joe was in the same position would he have signed the charity contract for us or gone the same route as Poyet
Question about this undisclosed fee business, will these figures eventually come out in the wash when the accounts are published or are they all aggregated up in in a Chuck Blazer sort of way so that it would take the FBI to unravel it?
In my eyes the deal fell exactly how the club expected.
They offered a contract to the lad and he signed (thank you joe)
He could have walked last year but stuck it out for year got us our fee and moved
It was never in question of if he moved more when
He done good by us and I wish him the best more than can be said of matey at West Ham
What is the difference between Gomez and Poyet though? Both signed their first contracts the club gave them, neither stayed long enough to sign a second one and both played 20 games and had big impacts. Only difference to me is that with Poyet we did not play him early enough and by the time we did his contract was almost up.
Did Joe sign his 3 year deal before he'd played a first team game ? Was Poyet only offered a shorter deal at that stage ? Was it only once Poyet started smashing it up that a new deal was offered If Joe was in the same position would he have signed the charity contract for us or gone the same route as Poyet
Gomez didn't start gobbing off like a little prick on Twitter about 'the truth'. Poyet did.
In my eyes the deal fell exactly how the club expected.
They offered a contract to the lad and he signed (thank you joe)
He could have walked last year but stuck it out for year got us our fee and moved
It was never in question of if he moved more when
He done good by us and I wish him the best more than can be said of matey at West Ham
What is the difference between Gomez and Poyet though? Both signed their first contracts the club gave them, neither stayed long enough to sign a second one and both played 20 games and had big impacts. Only difference to me is that with Poyet we did not play him early enough and by the time we did his contract was almost up.
In my eyes the deal fell exactly how the club expected.
They offered a contract to the lad and he signed (thank you joe)
He could have walked last year but stuck it out for year got us our fee and moved
It was never in question of if he moved more when
He done good by us and I wish him the best more than can be said of matey at West Ham
What is the difference between Gomez and Poyet though? Both signed their first contracts the club gave them, neither stayed long enough to sign a second one and both played 20 games and had big impacts. Only difference to me is that with Poyet we did not play him early enough and by the time we did his contract was almost up.
See my last post
When Poyet left he got dogs abuse before the tweets though which Joe does not seem to have got so not sure I buy that.
Joe signed a deal that meant if someone wanted him they had to buy him, Poyet didn't
They both signed one deal. End of. If we hadn't played Gomez for the first 2.5 years of his then played him for 20 games right at the end and suddenly realised he was fantastic and Liverpool came knocking then do you really think he would have signed another one?
Joe Gomez is class, both as a player and a young man. T o believe that he jumped at the first offer of big bucks is wrong. If we were a well run club with an owner showing ambition he would have stayed another year. If he was only interested in the short-term pay-out he would have left a year ago. In the end he did what was best for himself.
Sad to see another academy graduate go, especially when he is widely considered as an extraordinary player both on and off the pitch. I'm disappointed in the rumoured 3.5m figure (hopefully it is not just that) but now the more important thing is whether or how much RD's going to spend of that money on squad improvement this summer.
I must say don't feel as disappointed/hurt as last summer when we let Diego Poyet leave for almost nothing after we'd all been kind of hoping he would stay. I wish Joe every success with his future career.
Joe Gomez is class, both as a player and a young man. T o believe that he jumped at the first offer of big bucks is wrong. If we were a well run club with an owner showing ambition he would have stayed another year. If he was only interested in the short-term pay-out he would have left a year ago. In the end he did what was best for himself.
As well as Joe has behaved I just don't believe that.
As soon as Liverpool showed interest we were now only concentrating on the best deal possible. RD could have gone out and still purchased 2 or 3 quality players and JG still would have wanted to go. Thats the feeling I get from his interviews.
We paid 2.5m for Francis Jeffers and now sell Joe Gomez for 3.5m When will this madness ever end
No point in ever expecting transfers in or out to have a consistency... Why not compared Jeffers with Darren Bent... Jeffers looks absurdly expensive against that benchmark, and DB looks a steal against Gomez...
Joe signed a deal that meant if someone wanted him they had to buy him, Poyet didn't
They both signed one deal. End of. If we hadn't played Gomez for the first 2.5 years of his then played him for 20 games right at the end and suddenly realised he was fantastic and Liverpool came knocking then do you really think he would have signed another one?
No, sorry, these are two different situations. Diego received a deal when he was young and nowhere near the squad. He then broke into the squad at a time when we couldn't even renew our first team players' contracts. Subsequently we were able to offer new contracts when Roland came in and Diego stuck two fingers up and walked away with his POTY trophy for peanuts having given us half a season. Once Joe started appearing in the team it was clear as day we wouldn't have him for long, and he was in a situation where he knew big teams would come in for him and he still signed his deal.
It's not about the number of deals the players signed, it's about the stage of development they were at. Both players reached the point where they were ready to break into the first team, and one agreed to secure a decent deal for us knowing he would move on and the other decided he wasn't too bothered about that. Which was his choice, but let's not pretend that they both made the same decision.
Joe signed a deal that meant if someone wanted him they had to buy him, Poyet didn't
They both signed one deal. End of. If we hadn't played Gomez for the first 2.5 years of his then played him for 20 games right at the end and suddenly realised he was fantastic and Liverpool came knocking then do you really think he would have signed another one?
No, sorry, these are two different situations. Diego received a deal when he was young and nowhere near the squad. He then broke into the squad at a time when we couldn't even renew our first team players' contracts. Subsequently we were able to offer new contracts when Roland came in and Diego stuck two fingers up and walked away with his POTY trophy for peanuts having given us half a season. Once Joe started appearing in the team it was clear as day we wouldn't have him for long, and he was in a situation where he knew big teams would come in for him and he still signed his deal.
It's not about the number of deals the players signed, it's about the stage of development they were at. Both players reached the point where they were ready to break into the first team, and one agreed to secure a decent deal for us knowing he would move on and the other decided he wasn't too bothered about that. Which was his choice, but let's not pretend that they both made the same decision.
Joe signed a deal that meant if someone wanted him they had to buy him, Poyet didn't
They both signed one deal. End of. If we hadn't played Gomez for the first 2.5 years of his then played him for 20 games right at the end and suddenly realised he was fantastic and Liverpool came knocking then do you really think he would have signed another one?
No, sorry, these are two different situations. Diego received a deal when he was young and nowhere near the squad. He then broke into the squad at a time when we couldn't even renew our first team players' contracts. Subsequently we were able to offer new contracts when Roland came in and Diego stuck two fingers up and walked away with his POTY trophy for peanuts having given us half a season. Once Joe started appearing in the team it was clear as day we wouldn't have him for long, and he was in a situation where he knew big teams would come in for him and he still signed his deal.
It's not about the number of deals the players signed, it's about the stage of development they were at. Both players reached the point where they were ready to break into the first team, and one agreed to secure a decent deal for us knowing he would move on and the other decided he wasn't too bothered about that. Which was his choice, but let's not pretend that they both made the same decision.
They both signed one deal when young men (aged 17). One stayed the entire length of his contract so could be argued he was the more loyal of the two yet he gets the abuse.
(I am by no means having a go at JG who I have no problem, just pointing out a certain hypocrisy).
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My take on this is that because the full details are not available people (some) fill the spaces with assumptions. £3.5 mill is a joke versus £10m is good business. We just don't know the full amount and that could be for very valid reasons - RD may not want it known as players we want all of a sudden get more expensive - Liverpool may not want it known for their own reasons - Joe himself may not want it known. It's a commercial deal between two private companies.
The total deal is likely to be between £6-10 million (a guess - it could be less) - and for me that's pretty good business for a lad with great potential who has played 20 first team games in the Championship. Liverpool are taking a gamble that the potential shown so far will translate into a top six Premiership player.
Some say what's the point of the academy when we always sell our best graduates - well that's the whole point of the academy for a club our size. It makes us sustainable. Also don't forget that Joe did sign a new contract - he didn't have to and we would have ended up with another Poyet situation. I feel he has handled himself very well throughout and I wish him nothing but great success in the future - he deserves it.
All guesswork of course, I don't pretend to be in the know at all, but I hope we'll see a headline about a massive windfall for Charlton in about 4 or 5 years time.
Of course, we want funds now, but more money a bit further down the line can't hurt can it?
Was Poyet only offered a shorter deal at that stage ?
Was it only once Poyet started smashing it up that a new deal was offered
If Joe was in the same position would he have signed the charity contract for us or gone the same route as Poyet
They offered a contract to the lad and he signed (thank you joe)
He could have walked last year but stuck it out for year got us our fee and moved
It was never in question of if he moved more when
He done good by us and I wish him the best more than can be said of matey at West Ham
RD out.
I must say don't feel as disappointed/hurt as last summer when we let Diego Poyet leave for almost nothing after we'd all been kind of hoping he would stay. I wish Joe every success with his future career.
When will this madness ever end
As soon as Liverpool showed interest we were now only concentrating on the best deal possible. RD could have gone out and still purchased 2 or 3 quality players and JG still would have wanted to go. Thats the feeling I get from his interviews.
It's not about the number of deals the players signed, it's about the stage of development they were at. Both players reached the point where they were ready to break into the first team, and one agreed to secure a decent deal for us knowing he would move on and the other decided he wasn't too bothered about that. Which was his choice, but let's not pretend that they both made the same decision.
It's not about the number of deals the players signed, it's about the stage of development they were at. Both players reached the point where they were ready to break into the first team, and one agreed to secure a decent deal for us knowing he would move on and the other decided he wasn't too bothered about that. Which was his choice, but let's not pretend that they both made the same decision.
(I am by no means having a go at JG who I have no problem, just pointing out a certain hypocrisy).