It's pleasant, I think, that so many people want to be so charitable to Bournemouth fans.
I'm looking at it in a slightly different way: as a consumer rather than a fan. Mainly because I believe that's the way the club sees me
If a Ford dealer had sold me a Kuga but then actually delivered me a, say, Ka, with free floor mats to make up for the difference, I would not be too happy about it, especially if they went on to tell me that, although the Kuga had been on order for nearly a year, at the last minute, a very nice gentleman from the South Coast had offered them more money for it and they sold it to him instead. I would then explain in words of more than one syllable why it was unacceptable and in breach of (quite a few different bits of) consumer legislation.
In this instance I have a contract with a company called Charlton Athletic Football Club Ltd. I fulfilled my part of the contract by paying in advance for a seat at 23 games close to the half way line in the Upper Tier of a stand in order to get just about the best possible view.
If CAFC Ltd are now reneging on that contract, they will have to pay me recompense in terms of some actual money, not a fecking food voucher. I will I hope (I've more research to do) be citing either the Sales Of Goods Act or the Supply of Goods And Services Act together with the Consumer Protection From Unfair Trading Regulations whenever they can be arsed to call me. We'll see what happens but the CPFUTR seem quite promising in that they appear to indicate that I'll be able to claim additional costs and I'll be able to point out that what they've done may very well be criminal in nature.
has already been stated somewhere on this thread that there is provision for this in the T's & C's in your season ticket book. Suggest you read that first before taking further action. Or alternatively just get over it.
has already been stated somewhere on this thread that there is provision for this in the T's & C's in your season ticket book. Suggest you read that first before taking further action. Or alternatively just get over it.
Nope, the wording is not all that and it's almost certainly trumped by the Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations ( I hadn't mentioned those yet) and is therefore an unenforceable term.
has already been stated somewhere on this thread that there is provision for this in the T's & C's in your season ticket book. Suggest you read that first before taking further action. Or alternatively just get over it.
I take it you're not being told to move then? Or at least someone who we hope is presumably going to be told to move eventually, once they get around to it.
(Yes, I've still not heard a dickie bird from the club about it - although they have sent me an email asking me to complete a survey giving my feedback on my "experience" of the Leeds match)
It's pleasant, I think, that so many people want to be so charitable to Bournemouth fans.
I'm looking at it in a slightly different way: as a consumer rather than a fan. Mainly because I believe that's the way the club sees me
If a Ford dealer had sold me a Kuga but then actually delivered me a, say, Ka, with free floor mats to make up for the difference, I would not be too happy about it, especially if they went on to tell me that, although the Kuga had been on order for nearly a year, at the last minute, a very nice gentleman from the South Coast had offered them more money for it and they sold it to him instead. I would then explain in words of more than one syllable why it was unacceptable and in breach of (quite a few different bits of) consumer legislation.
In this instance I have a contract with a company called Charlton Athletic Football Club Ltd. I fulfilled my part of the contract by paying in advance for a seat at 23 games close to the half way line in the Upper Tier of a stand in order to get just about the best possible view.
If CAFC Ltd are now reneging on that contract, they will have to pay me recompense in terms of some actual money, not a fecking food voucher. I will I hope (I've more research to do) be citing either the Sales Of Goods Act or the Supply of Goods And Services Act together with the Consumer Protection From Unfair Trading Regulations whenever they can be arsed to call me. We'll see what happens but the CPFUTR seem quite promising in that they appear to indicate that I'll be able to claim additional costs and I'll be able to point out that what they've done may very well be criminal in nature.
I understand you not wanting to move, but seeing that the individuals involved are mainly in the far blocks of the Upper West, and I presume the replacement seats will be better seats (plus there's the food voucher) isn't it more like if you're renting a car for a year, e.g. a 1.6 Focus LX in red, and for one week only having to swap it for a 1.6 GLX in a colour you don't like?
has already been stated somewhere on this thread that there is provision for this in the T's & C's in your season ticket book. Suggest you read that first before taking further action. Or alternatively just get over it.
To give you a further clue about quite how useless and pointless the T&Cs were for 2014/15, there's a clause which says you can't cancel your purchase after 6th May 2014. Although you didn't get to read that until your booklet turned up in late July/early August! How can that possibly be legal?
Having looked at the T&C's I assume the club will use section 14, i.e. 'If the specified seat is unavailable for use due to a club decision or an intervention by the licensing authority or governing body, the club will use all reasonable efforts to relocate the season-ticket holder, provided they have complied with current ground regulation'.
I assume that would cover any ground development or safety issue but not when my seat is unavailable because the club have decided to give it to somebody else.
It's pleasant, I think, that so many people want to be so charitable to Bournemouth fans.
I'm looking at it in a slightly different way: as a consumer rather than a fan. Mainly because I believe that's the way the club sees me
If a Ford dealer had sold me a Kuga but then actually delivered me a, say, Ka, with free floor mats to make up for the difference, I would not be too happy about it, especially if they went on to tell me that, although the Kuga had been on order for nearly a year, at the last minute, a very nice gentleman from the South Coast had offered them more money for it and they sold it to him instead. I would then explain in words of more than one syllable why it was unacceptable and in breach of (quite a few different bits of) consumer legislation.
In this instance I have a contract with a company called Charlton Athletic Football Club Ltd. I fulfilled my part of the contract by paying in advance for a seat at 23 games close to the half way line in the Upper Tier of a stand in order to get just about the best possible view.
If CAFC Ltd are now reneging on that contract, they will have to pay me recompense in terms of some actual money, not a fecking food voucher. I will I hope (I've more research to do) be citing either the Sales Of Goods Act or the Supply of Goods And Services Act together with the Consumer Protection From Unfair Trading Regulations whenever they can be arsed to call me. We'll see what happens but the CPFUTR seem quite promising in that they appear to indicate that I'll be able to claim additional costs and I'll be able to point out that what they've done may very well be criminal in nature.
I understand you not wanting to move, but seeing that the individuals involved are mainly in the far blocks of the Upper West, and I presume the replacement seats will be better seats (plus there's the food voucher) isn't it more like if you're renting a car for a year, e.g. a 1.6 Focus LX in red, and for one week only having to swap it for a 1.6 GLX in a colour you don't like?
They won't be better - unless I'm going in the directors' box. Block P runs nearly to the half way line (I'm only about 6/7 yards off) and Block N straddles the half way line. I assume that they are only allocating part of Block N as there will also be a segregation area?
has already been stated somewhere on this thread that there is provision for this in the T's & C's in your season ticket book. Suggest you read that first before taking further action. Or alternatively just get over it.
I take it you're not being told to move then? Or at least someone who we hope is presumably going to be told to move eventually, once they get around to it.
(Yes, I've still not heard a dickie bird from the club about it - although they have sent me an email asking me to complete a survey giving my feedback on my "experience" of the Leeds match)
no, I'm not being told to move. I understand it's an inconvenience and I understand that you like your particular seat, just as I like mine and am peeved off when the East isn't open for certain Cup games. However, it's hopefully a one-off. You will be moved to, argueably, a better seat and given a refreshment voucher as some attempt at compensation. Also, it's extra revenue for the Club and that can't be a bad thing.
Having looked at the T&C's I assume the club will use section 14, i.e. 'If the specified seat is unavailable for use due to a club decision or an intervention by the licensing authority or governing body, the club will use all reasonable efforts to relocate the season-ticket holder, provided they have complied with current ground regulation'.
I assume that would cover any ground development or safety issue but not when my seat is unavailable because the club have decided to give it to somebody else.
We've had this conversation loads of times but can someone give me a real and important reason why sitting in the exact same seat every week - especially in a less than full area - is quite so important ?
We've had this conversation loads of times but can someone give me a real and important reason why sitting in the exact same seat every week - especially in a less than full area - is quite so important ?
Nobody where I sit smells: of BO, fags or booze. And the people in front of me don't stand up throughout the match. (I'm exempt from all these conditions of course).
We've had this conversation loads of times but can someone give me a real and important reason why sitting in the exact same seat every week - especially in a less than full area - is quite so important ?
Because people have friends and chose the seat they prefer.
If you booked up decent theatre seats for you and your wife.
I doubt you would be best pleased, if they shoved you to the back of the upper circle and your wife to the back of the upper stalls.
Although, I'm obviously expecting to say you'd be more than happy.
We've had this conversation loads of times but can someone give me a real and important reason why sitting in the exact same seat every week - especially in a less than full area - is quite so important ?
If you're not Billy No-Mates, or so grumpy you never talk to anyone anyway, you're sitting with friends you have made over the preceding seasons.
We've had this conversation loads of times but can someone give me a real and important reason why sitting in the exact same seat every week - especially in a less than full area - is quite so important ?
Why go to football in the first place? It's not that important.
Not when you can be whoring yourself out and doing anything for a quick extra pound note.
We've had this conversation loads of times but can someone give me a real and important reason why sitting in the exact same seat every week - especially in a less than full area - is quite so important ?
Do you mean apart from it being used as the main stick to get one to buy one's season ticket four months before the season starts?
I'll give you a few reasons though, just to be helpful.
It ensures that you sit with the same people, including some that you don't, necessarily, know very well. It provides continuity of the view and, over time, helps to enable one to judge angles and distances. It provides comfort and a feeling of 'home' No need to worry about getting there early as you know where your seat is and the best way to approach it (exits etc.) As we are all creatures of habit we like to stick to those habits. If habits are not important you could argue that there is no need to go to The Valley or watch the same players. I mean it might be nice to go to Charlton one week, Arsenal the next, Chelsea the next and so on.
I'm sure there are plenty of others but I''m going to guess that the main, and most illogical, reason is that "It's my f***ing seat, I've sat in it for x years, and I don't want to move!"
I don't sit in the West stand so this doesn't affect me but I can honestly say that if I were not allowed to keep my seat I would not buy a season ticket and I would probably choose to spend some of my Saturdays and lots of my Tuesday evenings doing something else. I can see why the club want to do this and I can see why many people think it shows us in a positive light and as my Dad said, "As long as I don't have to move they can give Bournemouth as many seats as they like!"
We've had this conversation loads of times but can someone give me a real and important reason why sitting in the exact same seat every week - especially in a less than full area - is quite so important ?
I can't be sure but I have a feeling you've hit a bit of a raw nerve here.
As our ground appears to be too big for us at the moment. 27k full, our average is about 16K, helped by the Udders game for £5.
Anyone who complains about being moved should be culled.
Katrien had to think on her feet. 1400 extra fans. If the Fair weather cafc folk don't turn up for this we might as well give up. (maybe she's right and we do need to attract people from a different area.)
As our ground appears to be too big for us at the moment. 27k full, our average is about 16K, helped by the Udders game for £5.
Anyone who complains about being moved should be culled.
Katrien had to think on her feet. 1400 extra fans. If the Fair weather cafc folk don't turn up for this we might as well give up. (maybe she's right and we do need to attract people from a different area.)
As our ground appears to be too big for us at the moment. 27k full, our average is about 16K, helped by the Udders game for £5.
Anyone who complains about being moved should be culled.
Katrien had to think on her feet. 1400 extra fans. If the Fair weather cafc folk don't turn up for this we might as well give up. (maybe she's right and we do need to attract people from a different area.)
Bournemouth.....?
yes Bournemouth: their only here for the Charlton
137 goals in their 44 matches so far. 92 goals scored. While CAFC were trying not to lose matches, and being the 1-1 nap earlier in the season the cherries were scoring for fun. (and carried on)
So any Genuine CAFC fans should be there to see us turn them over ?
At least we can a see a game with an edge.
Right decision to give extra tickets but i want to see them going back to Dorset with the Play-offs in mind after a 4-3 defeat.
We've had this conversation loads of times but can someone give me a real and important reason why sitting in the exact same seat every week - especially in a less than full area - is quite so important ?
I still have fond memories of my seat, Block F, Row G, seat 21. Sometimes I wish I could go back in time, sit on that plastic seat and reflect on my life. I imagine it would be like returning to the womb.
It's a one off game where you have to move seat. Get over it. The club makes money from this after all.
And if we were in the same situation next season, needing to win at say Reading or Ipswich to go up on the last day of the season, we'd all be desperate that they would give us more seats than usual
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I'm looking at it in a slightly different way: as a consumer rather than a fan. Mainly because I believe that's the way the club sees me
If a Ford dealer had sold me a Kuga but then actually delivered me a, say, Ka, with free floor mats to make up for the difference, I would not be too happy about it, especially if they went on to tell me that, although the Kuga had been on order for nearly a year, at the last minute, a very nice gentleman from the South Coast had offered them more money for it and they sold it to him instead. I would then explain in words of more than one syllable why it was unacceptable and in breach of (quite a few different bits of) consumer legislation.
In this instance I have a contract with a company called Charlton Athletic Football Club Ltd. I fulfilled my part of the contract by paying in advance for a seat at 23 games close to the half way line in the Upper Tier of a stand in order to get just about the best possible view.
If CAFC Ltd are now reneging on that contract, they will have to pay me recompense in terms of some actual money, not a fecking food voucher. I will I hope (I've more research to do) be citing either the Sales Of Goods Act or the Supply of Goods And Services Act together with the Consumer Protection From Unfair Trading Regulations whenever they can be arsed to call me. We'll see what happens but the CPFUTR seem quite promising in that they appear to indicate that I'll be able to claim additional costs and I'll be able to point out that what they've done may very well be criminal in nature.
(Yes, I've still not heard a dickie bird from the club about it - although they have sent me an email asking me to complete a survey giving my feedback on my "experience" of the Leeds match)
I assume that would cover any ground development or safety issue but not when my seat is unavailable because the club have decided to give it to somebody else.
If you booked up decent theatre seats for you and your wife.
I doubt you would be best pleased, if they shoved you to the back of the upper circle and your wife to the back of the upper stalls.
Although, I'm obviously expecting to say you'd be more than happy.
Not when you can be whoring yourself out and doing anything for a quick extra pound note.
I'll give you a few reasons though, just to be helpful.
It ensures that you sit with the same people, including some that you don't, necessarily, know very well.
It provides continuity of the view and, over time, helps to enable one to judge angles and distances.
It provides comfort and a feeling of 'home'
No need to worry about getting there early as you know where your seat is and the best way to approach it (exits etc.)
As we are all creatures of habit we like to stick to those habits. If habits are not important you could argue that there is no need to go to The Valley or watch the same players. I mean it might be nice to go to Charlton one week, Arsenal the next, Chelsea the next and so on.
I'm sure there are plenty of others but I''m going to guess that the main, and most illogical, reason is that "It's my f***ing seat, I've sat in it for x years, and I don't want to move!"
I don't sit in the West stand so this doesn't affect me but I can honestly say that if I were not allowed to keep my seat I would not buy a season ticket and I would probably choose to spend some of my Saturdays and lots of my Tuesday evenings doing something else. I can see why the club want to do this and I can see why many people think it shows us in a positive light and as my Dad said, "As long as I don't have to move they can give Bournemouth as many seats as they like!"
If the roles were reverse we would be happy if the other club did the same thing.
As our ground appears to be too big for us at the moment.
27k full, our average is about 16K, helped by the Udders game for £5.
Anyone who complains about being moved should be culled.
Katrien had to think on her feet.
1400 extra fans. If the Fair weather cafc folk don't turn up for this we might as well give up. (maybe she's right and we do need to attract people from a different area.)
Bournemouth.....?
137 goals in their 44 matches so far.
92 goals scored.
While CAFC were trying not to lose matches, and being the 1-1 nap
earlier in the season the cherries were scoring for fun. (and carried on)
So any Genuine CAFC fans should be there to see us turn them over ?
At least we can a see a game with an edge.
Right decision to give extra tickets but i want to see them going back to Dorset with the Play-offs in mind after a 4-3 defeat.
I still have fond memories of my seat, Block F, Row G, seat 21. Sometimes I wish I could go back in time, sit on that plastic seat and reflect on my life. I imagine it would be like returning to the womb.
Variety is the spice of life, after all.