Why we still talking about this, we've given them some extra tickets in a part of the stadium which is 10% full most games. It would be different if we didn't have 10k spare seats which we could move them to each week... People just like to moan. Come 5pm on Saturday the 2nd everyone will have forgotten about it.
As our ground appears to be too big for us at the moment. 27k full, our average is about 16K, helped by the Udders game for £5.
Anyone who complains about being moved should be culled.
Katrien had to think on her feet. 1400 extra fans. If the Fair weather cafc folk don't turn up for this we might as well give up. (maybe she's right and we do need to attract people from a different area.)
Ok so our ground holds 27, 000 and we average 16,000 therefore why don't we give Bournemouth the 11,000 seats we don't use?
Give them all the East stand or the whole Upper West, I'm sure everyone will be happy for them.
Thinking about it the best place to have all the away fans for Bournemouth would have been to give them the whole of the North stand, no segregation issues, no extra staff required.
Maybe I'll suggest that to Katrien next time we have a club visiting that requests extra seats.
One reason the upper west hasn't been used for overspill of away fans before is the lower west - in the past the police have been reluctant to sanction away fans sitting above home fans.
One reason the upper west hasn't been used for overspill of away fans before is the lower west - in the past the police have been reluctant to sanction away fans sitting above home fans.
I think is quite common in he PL now, where many PL clubs seem to like sticking away fans miles up in the Gods, I guess trying to reduce their effect on the players, giving weird scenes of away players celebrating a goal while looking up in the sky! St James's Park for example
We've had this conversation loads of times but can someone give me a real and important reason why sitting in the exact same seat every week - especially in a less than full area - is quite so important ?
Why go to football in the first place? It's not that important.
Not when you can be whoring yourself out and doing anything for a quick extra pound note.
We've had this conversation loads of times but can someone give me a real and important reason why sitting in the exact same seat every week - especially in a less than full area - is quite so important ?
Do you mean apart from it being used as the main stick to get one to buy one's season ticket four months before the season starts?
I'll give you a few reasons though, just to be helpful.
It ensures that you sit with the same people, including some that you don't, necessarily, know very well. It provides continuity of the view and, over time, helps to enable one to judge angles and distances. It provides comfort and a feeling of 'home' No need to worry about getting there early as you know where your seat is and the best way to approach it (exits etc.) As we are all creatures of habit we like to stick to those habits. If habits are not important you could argue that there is no need to go to The Valley or watch the same players. I mean it might be nice to go to Charlton one week, Arsenal the next, Chelsea the next and so on.
I'm sure there are plenty of others but I''m going to guess that the main, and most illogical, reason is that "It's my f***ing seat, I've sat in it for x years, and I don't want to move!"
I don't sit in the West stand so this doesn't affect me but I can honestly say that if I were not allowed to keep my seat I would not buy a season ticket and I would probably choose to spend some of my Saturdays and lots of my Tuesday evenings doing something else. I can see why the club want to do this and I can see why many people think it shows us in a positive light and as my Dad said, "As long as I don't have to move they can give Bournemouth as many seats as they like!"
I completely understand all of those reasons, but we are talking about one game here. Those reasons apply to the whole season, not just one game.
Yes only one game but has a precedence been set? Bigger clubs may see this and think that they'll request more tickets as Charlton will bend over to accommodate.
Imagine end of next season, say Norwich are in for promotion and ask for 6, 7, 8, 9 10,000 tickets as we have the capacity.
in reality: a) how many ST's do we have those blocks affected b) how many would actually be turning up anyway (it seems alot haven't bothered for half the season) c) how many of those affected are actually annoyed about moving, or is a breakfast 'sweetener' enough to compensate - just for 1 game.
my guess is a) a couple of hundred at best b) about 2/3 c) very few (as most of them will probably end up in a better seat as a result)
Yes only one game but has a precedence been set? Bigger clubs may see this and think that they'll request more tickets as Charlton will bend over to accommodate.
Imagine end of next season, say Norwich are in for promotion and ask for 6, 7, 8, 9 10,000 tickets as we have the capacity.
Why bring promotion into it? Why not give it to them even if it's a meaningless, mid table, mid season game? We have the capacity after all...
in reality: a) how many ST's do we have those blocks affected b) how many would actually be turning up anyway (it seems alot haven't bothered for half the season) c) how many of those affected are actually annoyed about moving, or is a breakfast 'sweetener' enough to compensate - just for 1 game.
my guess is a) a couple of hundred at best b) about 2/3 c) very few (as most of them will probably end up in a better seat as a result)
a) Does it matter how many, people have bought the seat for the season, surely that's the agreement when we paid our money. b) I'm turning up although having thoughts about giving it a miss. c) I don't care if its a better seat, I want the seat I paid for.
Yes only one game but has a precedence been set? Bigger clubs may see this and think that they'll request more tickets as Charlton will bend over to accommodate.
Imagine end of next season, say Norwich are in for promotion and ask for 6, 7, 8, 9 10,000 tickets as we have the capacity.
The police wouldn't allow that many, so it's irrelevant. We looked hard at accommodating extra Norwich fans in the east stand at the end of 2009 or 10 (I can't quite recall which it was, but probably 2009 as we were already down). On balance it was decided that the issues it would create with some home fans were not worth the additional revenue - even though the club was absolutely desperate for cash at the time. I think there are fewer issues in the upper west, in part because it is easier to segregate, but the club wouldn't have been allowed to use it then.
in reality: a) how many ST's do we have those blocks affected b) how many would actually be turning up anyway (it seems alot haven't bothered for half the season) c) how many of those affected are actually annoyed about moving, or is a breakfast 'sweetener' enough to compensate - just for 1 game.
my guess is a) a couple of hundred at best b) about 2/3 c) very few (as most of them will probably end up in a better seat as a result)
a) Does it matter how many, people have bought the seat for the season, surely that's the agreement when we paid our money. b) I'm turning up although having thoughts about giving it a miss. c) I don't care if its a better seat, I want the seat I paid for.
I fully understand what you are saying, I suppose there is a principal here.
However, if they were to let you have the pick of any seat in the ground, directors box/executive box, would that pacify you?
Yes only one game but has a precedence been set? Bigger clubs may see this and think that they'll request more tickets as Charlton will bend over to accommodate.
Imagine end of next season, say Norwich are in for promotion and ask for 6, 7, 8, 9 10,000 tickets as we have the capacity.
The police wouldn't allow that many, so it's irrelevant. We looked hard at accommodating extra Norwich fans in the east stand at the end of 2009 or 10 (I can't quite recall which it was, but probably 2009 as we were already down). On balance it was decided that the issues it would create with some home fans were not worth the additional revenue - even though the club was absolutely desperate for cash at the time. I think there are fewer issues in the upper west, in part because it is easier to segregate, but the club wouldn't have been allowed to use it then.
But its the same issues surely, Charlton fans being moved to accommodate away fans, does it matter what stand?
What about first home game in our first prem season.
I couldnt sit in my paid for seat in the South Stand as they kicked us out so that West stand season ticket holders could sit there as their seats were not ready.
Got a free leage cup ticket instead which compensated for not seeing us go top of the league.
in reality: a) how many ST's do we have those blocks affected b) how many would actually be turning up anyway (it seems alot haven't bothered for half the season) c) how many of those affected are actually annoyed about moving, or is a breakfast 'sweetener' enough to compensate - just for 1 game.
my guess is a) a couple of hundred at best b) about 2/3 c) very few (as most of them will probably end up in a better seat as a result)
Re your answers. A) it's blocks NPQ & R being moved. Half the west upper. I think you have underestimated with 200 tops. B you think only 2 or 3 would bother coming? C) those in Q & R probably will get better seats, although most have probably moved more central all season. Those in N & P are in closer to the half way line. Can't see how they are getting better seats.
in reality: a) how many ST's do we have those blocks affected b) how many would actually be turning up anyway (it seems alot haven't bothered for half the season) c) how many of those affected are actually annoyed about moving, or is a breakfast 'sweetener' enough to compensate - just for 1 game.
my guess is a) a couple of hundred at best b) about 2/3 c) very few (as most of them will probably end up in a better seat as a result)
Re your answers. A) it's blocks NPQ & R being moved. Half the west upper. I think you have underestimated with 200 tops. B you think only 2 or 3 would bother coming? C) those in Q & R probably will get better seats, although most have probably moved more central all season. Those in N & P are in closer to the half way line. Can't see how they are getting better seats.
When Charlton rang me yesterday, they asked if I wanted a half-way line ticket. They could not have been more helpful. Still waiting for an email from two months ago off of Meire though!
We've had this conversation loads of times but can someone give me a real and important reason why sitting in the exact same seat every week - especially in a less than full area - is quite so important ?
Why go to football in the first place? It's not that important.
Not when you can be whoring yourself out and doing anything for a quick extra pound note.
What does that mean ?
It means that some of the comments on here seem to be that as long as there's extra cash involved then anything goes.
Sometimes there are other things more important than money. Not sure if this is one of them, but I don't like the dismissive attitude of some when they see a pound sign.
Yes only one game but has a precedence been set? Bigger clubs may see this and think that they'll request more tickets as Charlton will bend over to accommodate.
Imagine end of next season, say Norwich are in for promotion and ask for 6, 7, 8, 9 10,000 tickets as we have the capacity.
The police wouldn't allow that many, so it's irrelevant. We looked hard at accommodating extra Norwich fans in the east stand at the end of 2009 or 10 (I can't quite recall which it was, but probably 2009 as we were already down). On balance it was decided that the issues it would create with some home fans were not worth the additional revenue - even though the club was absolutely desperate for cash at the time. I think there are fewer issues in the upper west, in part because it is easier to segregate, but the club wouldn't have been allowed to use it then.
But its the same issues surely, Charlton fans being moved to accommodate away fans, does it matter what stand?
I think there are arguments both ways. In 2009 more people would have been affected, including the loss of access to the Bartram Gate and toilets etc at that end for home supporters. Also we'd just been relegated (it must have been 2009 on reflection) and the last thing we wanted to do was antagonise fans we were trying to hold on to in League One. The upper west doesn't generate as many issues. It was also an entirely different management.
I suspect this is less about money and more about trying to help another club, whether you agree with that or not.
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Ok so our ground holds 27, 000 and we average 16,000 therefore why don't we give Bournemouth the 11,000 seats we don't use?
Give them all the East stand or the whole Upper West, I'm sure everyone will be happy for them.
Maybe I'll suggest that to Katrien next time we have a club visiting that requests extra seats.
Then put them in the lower west although I suppose the police don't want home fans sitting behind away fans.
St James's Park for example
I completely understand all of those reasons, but we are talking about one game here. Those reasons apply to the whole season, not just one game.
Imagine end of next season, say Norwich are in for promotion and ask for 6, 7, 8, 9 10,000 tickets as we have the capacity.
a) how many ST's do we have those blocks affected
b) how many would actually be turning up anyway (it seems alot haven't bothered for half the season)
c) how many of those affected are actually annoyed about moving, or is a breakfast 'sweetener' enough to compensate - just for 1 game.
my guess is
a) a couple of hundred at best
b) about 2/3
c) very few (as most of them will probably end up in a better seat as a result)
b) I'm turning up although having thoughts about giving it a miss.
c) I don't care if its a better seat, I want the seat I paid for.
However, if they were to let you have the pick of any seat in the ground, directors box/executive box, would that pacify you?
I couldnt sit in my paid for seat in the South Stand as they kicked us out so that West stand season ticket holders could sit there as their seats were not ready.
Got a free leage cup ticket instead which compensated for not seeing us go top of the league.
A) it's blocks NPQ & R being moved. Half the west upper. I think you have underestimated with 200 tops.
B you think only 2 or 3 would bother coming?
C) those in Q & R probably will get better seats, although most have probably moved more central all season. Those in N & P are in closer to the half way line. Can't see how they are getting better seats.
Still waiting for an email from two months ago off of Meire though!
Sometimes there are other things more important than money. Not sure if this is one of them, but I don't like the dismissive attitude of some when they see a pound sign.
In advance of the public announcement would have been nice to give us a bit of warning, but it's been a few days now and still nothing.
Police may not like away fans above home fans, but the West stand has a shield between them called the press section :-)
I suspect this is less about money and more about trying to help another club, whether you agree with that or not.