4.10 to 5.00 does not really convince me I'm afraid. One comment that Katrien had been to the training ground and can testify that things are 'better' does not convince me, especially looking at the six games on Guy Luzons watch so far. Katrien also describes Guy's arrival as being under 'very difficult circumstances' which does not seem that credible, I mean who created those circumstances in the first place? Katrien firmly accepts at the least joint responsibility with Mr Duchatelet for the appointment of Guy Luzon, not hiding away from that one, but even though she found her visit to the training ground 'better', she does not comment on the 'worse' results following from her appointment of Guy Luzon.
This is odd. It's kind of equal parts nice publicity and sheer nutcasery. I think it's nice to get a young fan in and talk to them like an adult and like their opinions mean something, because they do. On the other hand something like this works better when paired with actual continuous communication at a sensible level. If the club was transparent and we felt like we were kept in the loop and hadn't been treated like mugs recently it would just be a nice additional thing. Without that as context though it's just weird. Why is the 15 year old kid the only one getting public answers? Why do the rest of us get a snarky article in the Evening Standard? If this is the start of the club actually responding to our issues regularly then great, I'm all for it (though it's been done in a weird order). If all we get is this and the VIP meeting doesn't provide any useful discussion then it's not going to go down too well.
There is "something" I like about her (and its not the obvious!) I think she is trying to endear herself to "us" I think she has got a very difficult job on her hands. There is no doubt we are better off with Mr Duchatelet in charge and with Ms Meire as his "sidekick" than we was with that last shower of shit in charge. I know people say yes we have a lovely pitch and some lovely shiny red seats but this was something that really had to be sorted, remember last season when we were ALL embarrassed with our pitch, opposition players "forking" "sweeping" the bloody puddles off the mud bath!! I am not for one minute the powers to be but we must be patient, the man has invested a hell of a lot of money in our club, arguably saved us from administration!? We do have some very good players at our club and should definitely be able to compete in this division. I said months ago that the communication from our club was (my exact words) were pants! A lot of people said that we "tweeted" and "posted" more than this club and that club, but I still stand by my words. It is obviously the way Mr Duchatelet works and runs his clubs/ businesses? We don't really have any choice other than to "stay away" (I'm not sure what good this would do the team?) OR to carry on going and supporting our much loved club, I know which I will be doing, and I will not be chanting any stupid childish "songs" at our manager or our players, I know everyone is entitled to their opinions but I fail to see what good can come of all this negativity. Hopefully Saturday was the start of us going on a little unbeaten run which can only bring confidence to our team. I know the "hardened" fans that remember the 3, 4000 gates we used to get in the old second division and some pretty dire games we had to endure. So I still think we are not in that bad a place in comparison to some famous old clubs.
COYR.........
I wonder if so many people had not "stayed away" in the late eighties, we would still be sharing Selhurst Park?
Sometimes you are left with no alternative, and short term pain leads to long term gain.
With the greatest of respect Algarveaddick I don't think us being at Selhurst Pk can compare with having our present owner. Look at the state we were in when we was playing at Upton Pk and then Selhurst........we are not in that bad a position really. I remember very well driving to both grounds to support "my" team, and yes it was shit not having a "home ground" Bloody hell you have got me reminiscing now about the "real bad old days!!).........It must be why I love "the valley" so much!!!
Personally I don't care so much what personal opinion the CEO wants to share because we don't have a CEO just a face to deflect attention and criticism from the real decision maker.
Great publicity to the outside world, less so to those actively following/involved with the back story.
4.10 to 5.00 does not really convince me I'm afraid. One comment that Katrien had been to the training ground and can testify that things are 'better' does not convince me, especially looking at the six games on Guy Luzons watch so far. Katrien also describes Guy's arrival as being under 'very difficult circumstances' which does not seem that credible, I mean who created those circumstances in the first place? Katrien firmly accepts at the least joint responsibility with Mr Duchatelet for the appointment of Guy Luzon, not hiding away from that one, but even though she found her visit to the training ground 'better', she does not comment on the 'worse' results following from her appointment of Guy Luzon.
And Murray did not really comment on Parkinsons and the spivs did not comment on Powells first half season - it is what happens at clubs!!
The rest of the stuff you have said is the sort of stuff that hopefully a VIP will be able to get a question in on.
Maybe getting to the younger fans is the best chance the club have of giving an alternative opinion to other than some of the unbelievably biased views on the Internet
Is applaud them for trying to engage, and I think too much is being looked into in the Luzon appointment, the guy ain't being given a fair crack, Riga started out as the Belgian yes man and finished quite popular, at some stage the anger must be pointed at RD, and let Luzon just be judged on results
To people that think it's all a smart game getting the "young defenceless lad in"... let's ask this.
To do this "stunt"..would it be better if she brought in an old miserable "hair-less" long term season ticket holder that is going to breath down her neck and tread on everything she says. (Not based on truth just what her perspective might be) for the direct responses. It would make no sense to do that.
She has probably recieved emails with charlton fans saying the same old thing, yes she could at least respond to those emails...but from her perspective she's thinking she could do it all in one go, based on the typical similar high volume of likely questions.
Obviously the young man is going to be chuffed and probably made his day. Was a sweet thing to do and pretty harmless if you ask me.
Do be pissed off about it straight away. At least think.
To people that think it's all a smart game getting the "young defenceless lad in"... let's ask this.
To do this "stunt"..would it be better if she brought in an old miserable "hair-less" long term season ticket holder that is going to breath down her neck and tread on everything she says. (Not based on truth just what her perspective might be) for the direct responses. It would make no sense to do that.
She has probably recieved emails with charlton fans saying the same old thing, yes she could at least respond to those emails...but from her perspective she's thinking she could do it all in one go, based on the typical similar high volume of likely questions.
Obviously the young man is going to be chuffed and probably made his day. Was a sweet thing to do and pretty harmless if you ask me.
Do be pissed off about it straight away. At least think.
Even at 15 I wouldn't find it sweet to ask questions and not be answered. He was none the wiser by the end of it and they were some pretty were articulated questions whilst in a very nervous position. Only good he got out of all of it was a signed Charlton shirt.
It's easy to be cynical about everything that a regime that you don't buy in to is doing and you do have to try and take a step back and see if it's your perception rather than their motivation which is wrong.
That said, this in itself still seems pretty cynical to me. Smacks of spin doctoring. The young lad came across extremely well but his questions weren't really answered.
For me, one question overrides all others: Is Charlton Athletic being run with the ultimate goal of it achieving the highest possible level of sustainable success on the pitch?
There are other important questions around individual decisions which have been made, the club's place in the community, its history (and even the matchday experience if that's what floats your boat) but most things can be justified if they can be framed in the context of answering 'yes' to this one question.
Personally, the actions and communications which I have been privy to (and these are only those in the public domain) would lead me to believe that the answer is a fairly resounding 'no'. Success on the pitch may be a coincidental by product of RD's aims (though there is of course very little evidence so far that this will be the case, it is theoretically possible) but it is hard to accept as a football fan that those in charge of running the club measure its success not in terms of league positions, points and trophies, not ours anyway.
The reason that I think so many fans have been disgruntled by the Luzon appointment and the way that it came about is because it was the clearest example yet of incongruence with what should be the ultimate aim of a football club. There is simply no way that KM and RD could have come to an honest decision that he was the best man available to the club in such a ridiculously short space of time after sacking Peeters (despite apparently interviewing 'several' candidates in the intervening hours). And though we won't know for sure, there is a relatively strong indication that he was put in place because he will do what he's told. For the good of the network, to push on towards RD's aims.
And this is why many of us fans, fans that have been extremely patient with the way the club has been run in the past are so concerned with the way it is being run now. These are fans that are generally pretty forgiving of mistakes, fans that have previously stood by people getting things wrong because they at least believed that they were trying to do them right.
Maybe to many feeling that the 'heart and soul' of the club that has been ripped out it is because they have lost that sense of a shared goal, that sense of staff, players, owners and fans pulling together. It is a struggle to feel proud of a club which is effectively a vehicle being used to satisfy a means quite contrary to that which it was established to strive for.
A fluff piece with a young lad, however articulate he may have been, doesn't change any of that.
To be far, I'm guessing KM would rather do an interview with a young lad who is just pleased to be there rather than a beered up middle age guy on a train, can't blame her, now where do I send my email......
They needed to improve their PR and seeing a young fan with our young CEO is fine by me. But why if your a pro football club in the 5th biggest league in Europe spectator wise does Katrien or her PA(still not sure if she's got one) Not answer her emails, lots of CL are self employed, Don't you answer your emails?
Maybe not the abusive or pervy ones(Sorry about that Katrien!) But the articulated question that so many people are asking.
Is the plan to get in the premier league or just sell player each season so we stand still ?
"For me, one question overrides all others: Is Charlton Athletic being run with the ultimate goal of it achieving the highest possible level of sustainable success on the pitch?"
Spot on pass it to leaburn. Some previous owners may have made mistakes eg leaving the valley but no one ever doubted that football success was their aim. Many do not believe that is a priority for the network owner so the bond is broken.
I note that Jimmy Stone's tweets on the broadcast have been taken down, as have their reproduction on this thread by @wwaddickson. Whatever his reason, it jut adds to an impression of rampant control-freakery around the Club today
I note that Jimmy Stone's tweets on the broadcast have been taken down, as have their reproduction on this thread by @wwaddickson. Whatever his reason, it jut adds to an impression of rampant control-freakery around the Club today
Eh?
what's him deleting his tweets got to do with the club???
I note that Jimmy Stone's tweets on the broadcast have been taken down, as have their reproduction on this thread by @wwaddickson. Whatever his reason, it jut adds to an impression of rampant control-freakery around the Club today
Didn't think JS was affliated directly with the club any more - they can't take those tweets down, only he could.
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Bloody hell you have got me reminiscing now about the "real bad old days!!).........It must be why I love "the valley" so much!!!
COYR..............
Spin doctor. BS merchant. Snakey opportunist.
Personally I don't care so much what personal opinion the CEO wants to share because we don't have a CEO just a face to deflect attention and criticism from the real decision maker.
Great publicity to the outside world, less so to those actively following/involved with the back story.
PWOPAGANDA
The rest of the stuff you have said is the sort of stuff that hopefully a VIP will be able to get a question in on.
The lad asked some very good questions and she did not comprehensively answer them.
If I am wrong, then why I am I no clearer in understanding RD's motivation and why Luzon was appointed ?
I'll try and delve a bit tomorrow, you'll probably see me being ejected
A young lad gets to go to the stadium and made a fuss of. That's all it is.
Is applaud them for trying to engage, and I think too much is being looked into in the Luzon appointment, the guy ain't being given a fair crack, Riga started out as the Belgian yes man and finished quite popular, at some stage the anger must be pointed at RD, and let Luzon just be judged on results
To do this "stunt"..would it be better if she brought in an old miserable "hair-less" long term season ticket holder that is going to breath down her neck and tread on everything she says. (Not based on truth just what her perspective might be) for the direct responses. It would make no sense to do that.
She has probably recieved emails with charlton fans saying the same old thing, yes she could at least respond to those emails...but from her perspective she's thinking she could do it all in one go, based on the typical similar high volume of likely questions.
Obviously the young man is going to be chuffed and probably made his day. Was a sweet thing to do and pretty harmless if you ask me.
Do be pissed off about it straight away. At least think.
That said, this in itself still seems pretty cynical to me. Smacks of spin doctoring. The young lad came across extremely well but his questions weren't really answered.
For me, one question overrides all others: Is Charlton Athletic being run with the ultimate goal of it achieving the highest possible level of sustainable success on the pitch?
There are other important questions around individual decisions which have been made, the club's place in the community, its history (and even the matchday experience if that's what floats your boat) but most things can be justified if they can be framed in the context of answering 'yes' to this one question.
Personally, the actions and communications which I have been privy to (and these are only those in the public domain) would lead me to believe that the answer is a fairly resounding 'no'. Success on the pitch may be a coincidental by product of RD's aims (though there is of course very little evidence so far that this will be the case, it is theoretically possible) but it is hard to accept as a football fan that those in charge of running the club measure its success not in terms of league positions, points and trophies, not ours anyway.
The reason that I think so many fans have been disgruntled by the Luzon appointment and the way that it came about is because it was the clearest example yet of incongruence with what should be the ultimate aim of a football club. There is simply no way that KM and RD could have come to an honest decision that he was the best man available to the club in such a ridiculously short space of time after sacking Peeters (despite apparently interviewing 'several' candidates in the intervening hours). And though we won't know for sure, there is a relatively strong indication that he was put in place because he will do what he's told. For the good of the network, to push on towards RD's aims.
And this is why many of us fans, fans that have been extremely patient with the way the club has been run in the past are so concerned with the way it is being run now. These are fans that are generally pretty forgiving of mistakes, fans that have previously stood by people getting things wrong because they at least believed that they were trying to do them right.
Maybe to many feeling that the 'heart and soul' of the club that has been ripped out it is because they have lost that sense of a shared goal, that sense of staff, players, owners and fans pulling together. It is a struggle to feel proud of a club which is effectively a vehicle being used to satisfy a means quite contrary to that which it was established to strive for.
A fluff piece with a young lad, however articulate he may have been, doesn't change any of that.
Maybe not the abusive or pervy ones(Sorry about that Katrien!)
But the articulated question that so many people are asking.
Is the plan to get in the premier league or just sell player each season so we stand still ?
Spot on pass it to leaburn. Some previous owners may have made mistakes eg leaving the valley but no one ever doubted that football success was their aim. Many do not believe that is a priority for the network owner so the bond is broken.
Given the timescales on the announcements the interviews must have been fairly quick.
And no investment in the playing surface for 16 years? No enough, maybe, but none?
what's him deleting his tweets got to do with the club???
He said a lot worse the other day.